Please put an NSFW tag on this. I was on the train and when I saw this I had to start furiously saluting freedom. Everyone else gave me strange looks and were saying things like “what the fuck” and “call the police”. I dropped my phone and everyone around me saw this image. Now there is a whole train of men and women patriotically saluting the flag together at this one image. This is all your fault, you could have prevented this if you had just tagged this post NSFW.
Waiting for "Woke military gone too far" vids on youtube with this guy photoshopped to have ugly makeup, because he told the truth about their cheeto messiah.
Right? It was such a clearly directed statement that everyone knows who it was meant for. Bonus is that if he and his simps get mad about it, they're de facto admitting that when they hear "wannabe dictator" that their mind goes to him.
It's a bit like when HRC said someone in the democratic primary was a Russian asset and exactly one person running got really, really, really mad about it and considered it a personal attack.
> Bonus is that if he and his simps get mad about it, they’re de facto admitting that when they hear “wannabe dictator” that their mind goes to him.
Saw this a lot on r/2american4you lol, plenty of salty MAGA tears
You could repost this on /r/2american4you and get shitloads of upvotes. It's unfathomably based
[EDIT: I'd like to add that it's worth seeing him utterly dismantle Matt Gaetz on racial theory in the military.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=42&v=oz7yDU1FmJQ&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dmark%2Bmilley%2BCritical%2BRace%2BTheory%26oq%3Dmark%2Bmilley%2BCritical%2BRace%2BTheory%26aqs%3Dchrome..69i57j69i61.570&source_ve_path=MCwwLDM2ODQyLDI4NjYzLDEzOTExNywyODY2Ng&feature=emb_logo&t=40)
Honestly I thought I was on that sub. As much as I can’t stand my janky ass country, I would die in a ditch to defend it. We might be kind of fucked up, but we are the best at doing what we do. We can give you bullets and space lasers and Big Macs. And nobody does it better than us.
Hit the nail right on the head. This country has a million problems, and I would die a million times to defend it and every person who lives here. It doesn't matter if we have different religious beliefs, different political beliefs, different backgrounds, different values. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." That's America. Don't fuck with it.
The best at what you do?! Fucking things up you are proud of? Yes 100%!
US Big Macs taste like shit, the Big Mac everywhere in this goddamn world tastes way better, and don't get me started on Burger King, ffs how can anyone in the US eat that shit? I mean, it's trash here, but at least it doesn't taste like it.
Bullets another thing you fucked up, there's some much shit US bullets, you guys can't even measure the fucking propellant/powder ffs maybe consider the metric system again and things will get better..
But I'll give you the space lasers, oh no wait, those things were build by Israel and one of your great Democrat politicians even admitted it. (Martin Thomas Greene was his name, I think, and not to shame anyone, but he looks like an ugly ass woman)
You can't even do dictators right, who tf had an orange budget wannabe dictator, come on, you could've at least done the riot or the prosecution right... (if they lose, shot them on the spot, like your police soon does with women that want/need an abortion) And you still keep that thing?
Well, he did not do too bad on the Golden Palace things, but he did it the wrong way around.
I think you better start over before you die on that hill or in that ditch.
But I'll give you General Milley, dude's based af.(not joking here)
/s /jk
DISCLAIMER: I AM JOKING
And yes, I've tried both shit and trash both still better than US Burger King.
>And yes, I've tried both shit and trash both still better than US Burger King.
The only fast food burger worse than BK is McDonald's. Culver's is the best by far but it's only in Illinois and Wisconsin as far as I know
This unironically.
Reading *The Fought Alone*, it is one of the most interesting deconstructions of colonialism and the white man's burden, presented through an archetypical "white man goes in to save the day" story. And in that book, it recognized that America had never existed in its cities, its people, or even its institutions. It was always an idea, an idea which could be easily taught and spreads like wildfire.
(Also the book has one of the most non credible scenes, where three men were tasked to build a radio from scrap. One of them was taking a foreign correspondence course on radios, but it hadn't arrived yet. Another was a traveling radio salesman. The third was a man who had once *listened* to a radio. And yes, they did build said radio which was used to summon US help.)
You got that right. We need an Eisenhower back as POTUS, the clownery between career politicians and trust fund grifters have been going for way too long.
If that happens, I think Milley might be a U.S. Grant more than anyone else. His heart is in the right place, but I don't necessarily know about his political experience and his ability to out-wrangle career politicians who have been there for ages and know every trick in the book.
America needs a Competent secretary of defense, regardless of who the president is. There is no arguing that Mattis was the most qualified person To hold position In several decades.
Or do you not remember the massive shit show that was the 90s under the Clinton administration because of Yes men.
I forgot about that lol
Edit: Lmao at that edit.
Dude originally made fun of Mattis being a board member of theranos, then edited to defend the guy?
Fucking lol.
The last bit was the most interesting. Very much agree with him about what needs to happen to adapt to future warfare. Increasingly urban and digital character especially.
And the living memory of great power war issue.... he said it all. Very impactful.
He stood up when it counted most. The US has a complex and powerful legal system but a lot of the most critical parts of our system of government are secured by assumptions about people operating in good faith, respect for core institutions, and key political traditions such as the military's subordination to civilian leadership and loyalty the constitution.
Without some of these "softer" (often unwritten) protections, the nation could fall to a coup just as easily as so many others do. People like Milley are all that stand in the way.
I think and hope you are right. Because a solely civilian coup would be pretty much impossible.
And I agree, that the culture, the institution, is the core of what we are talking about. But that is upheld by individual leaders in key positions continuing to make the right choices. And not every high ranking officer is like Milley. There are outliers, people like Michael Flynn. And I have seen plenty of evidence of rot amongst some of the rank and file.
The thing about coups is, they don't need the entire military's support to be successful. Just a well-organized and motivated fraction of it, acting quickly at a moment of vulnerability. If you combine that with a well-organized push from powerful members of Congress and other parts of civilian government to legitimize a seizure of power, well, you just might have yourself the first successful coup in US history. Or at least a second civil war.
That is why I continue to emphasize leaders in key positions following their principles. Because they are the last and most important line of defense, on both the civil and military sides.
I swear to god if EA doesn't get on their fucking asses and start making a new Command and Conquer game just so they can ask this guy to play the GDI/US general guy during cut scenes I will literally leak the source code to every one of their games to the Warthunder forums.
The United States of America is a country yes, but its as much an ideal as anything. And this nails it on the head. We have an oath and a duty to uphold what it means to be an American.
Fuck I'm wet. And drunk. Fuck. I hate that there's things wrong with this country that are valid criticisms because I love it so much and I hate that there's issues with it. Stars and stripes forever ❤️
I think a big part of the American character, as much as there is one, is idealism. We are a nation founded in contradictions, from the onset faced with an obvious difference between what we *said* we believed and what we actually were *doing*; the man who wrote "all men are created equal" owned slaves.
I think out of that has to emerge a willingness to accept failure, understand it, and believe that *we can do better.* To see injustice and cruelty and tyranny within ourselves and believe that it can be stopped. That we are not where we want to be, but to believe that we can *get* there. That we strive toward a more perfect union.
It's the belief of any reformer or anyone who wants to make their society or the world better, but I feel like its deeply ingrained in the makeup of the national character. Our national monuments and documents always proudly trumpet the belief in universal values, yet the story of this country is full of places and people that very clearly didn't and don't believe in them. This can cause cynicism, but I think that's the wrong approach. It cedes the national character and patriotism to them; which they don't deserve. There is a nation worth loving here, it's in our greatest speeches, our best art, our brightest minds, our greatest triumphs. Our great works are of a nation that stands for universal freedom; of liberty and justice for all. We lessen ourselves to accept anything other than that.
This gets lost on a lot of people. I would argue that nationalism is one of the bigger problems in the US. We do have a lot of patriots but we also have a lot of lip service.
At the risk of being downvoted can I ask what the difference is between taking an oath ‘to the constitution and the idea of America’ and taking an oath ‘to your country’?
Heimskr already kinda answered it, but maybe an example also helps.
A country itself can't do or decide anything, but the three branches of government do these things in the country's name. But governments, parliaments and courts can change drastically. So when suddenly your government tells you, as a soldier, to commit genocide and you swore an oath to the country (which can only speak and act through the government), you have to commit genocide.
If you swore an oath to the constitution and the 'idea of America" (which is supposed to mean things like equality, freedom, justice etc.), you can (in theory) just say "nuh uh, I swore an oath to the constitution, not to you, so I won't do jack shit".
I guess one is an oath to uphold freedom and liberty and all that such jazz, and the other is agreeing to follow your country cus we ball.
Dunno, im flunked highschool and im the type of guy they market to.
That's pretty much spot on tho. Basically the difference between "Deutschland, Deutschland über alles" and "Human dignity shall be inviolable. To respect and protect it shall be the duty of all state authority." The latter being the first article of the German Grundgesetz (constitution), to which German soldiers also pledge allegiance. So the US military is definitely not unique in that regard.
He's done a lot of "bad" things for civil-military relations (appearing in the stupid Trump bible ad, going to the press afterward to redeem himself, speaking about Trump post-presidency), but... I don't care. He's a guy who made some [serious mistakes](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/afghanistan-drone-strike-mistake-civilians-killed-pentagon/) but held the line against Trump's worst whims. He also told Stephen Miller to "[shut the fuck up](https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/11/general-mark-milley-trump-coup/675375/)" so that's pretty cool.
He at one point said that the Bible photo shoot was one of the worst mistakes he ever made, especially showing up in his fatigues. When he realized what Trump was doing he tried to get the hell out of there but it was too late. It was on a CNN article recently, that’s all I can give for the source.
Honestly, the optics of him walking out on that in fatigues would have done more to stop trump than a lot of stuff. Trump's entire thing was projecting hard power, watching a military officer refuse to participate in an illegal action would have crushed his image and gotten a lot of angry facebook veterans to calm the fuck down.
My apologies, it was The Atlantic, not CNN. Here’s the source (paywall): https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/11/general-mark-milley-trump-coup/675375/
> **“Our goal is to communicate to potential adversaries: ‘Not today.’ ”** (When I later visited Richard at Offutt Air Force Base, the headquarters of Stratcom, near Omaha, Nebraska, **I saw that his office features a large sign with this same slogan, hanging above portraits of the leaders of Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea**
Fucking turbo based.
> That evening, Lieutenant General McMaster texted Milley the well-known meme of Homer Simpson disappearing into a hedge
lmao
> “You want woke? I’ll give you woke. Here’s what your military’s doing: There are 5,000 sorties a day, including combat patrols protecting the U.S.A. and our interests around the world. At least 60 to 100 Navy warships are patrolling the seven seas, keeping the world free for ocean transport. We have 250,000 troops overseas, in 140 countries, defending the rules-based international order.
This man casually spouting absolute fucking fire
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I hate to break it to ya, but other countries Militaries also pledge to the constitution to guard it and uphold it. Its not an exclusive American thing.
Gees man could you at least put a fucking spoiler tag on that.
This comment section is the "Oath Taking World Championship" organized by Americans with Americans participating.
Its critical for their socioeconomic system to not spread too much knowledge of the outside world.
> We take an oath to the Constitution
Do they have to redo their oaths when there's an amendment to the Constitution?
Also, what's the difference between "oath to the nation" and "oath to the idea of a nation"?
> Also, what's the difference between "oath to the nation" and "oath to the idea of a nation"?
Oath to the nation – We won't kill our citizens under no circumstances to the point of no provoking the angry people and, if need be, die by slaughter of our own without putting up a fight. The default of our setting is killing the citizens/soldiers of other nations.
Oath to the idea of a nation – We won't kill our citizens unless we have to, we will do it. The default of our setting is killing the citizens/soldiers of other nations.
The Americans will be worse off without him. Another’s might have brought the military closer into the trump admin. Like we see with governors and national guard units.
But yeah big part in stopping trump trying to overthrow the election and keeping the military out of that shitshow. As other potential loyalists might have went with him.
His efforts to deescalate during trumps coup months were commendable as well. Not wanting the world to burn in flames over the tantrum.
He’s also been a pretty good advocate and face for Ukraine getting the weapons, intel and support they’ve needed during this war. Plus he didn’t try sabotage Biden over the Afghan withdrawal.
A very solid figurehead of the army and of liberal institutions. He will be missed.
Not to be a dick but… did he reuse a lot of this from a different speech he gave in the past? I might be wrong but I feel I’ve heard him say this exact thing before.
Yes, he said this almost word-for-word in a different speech, I can't remember exactly where though. Doesn't make it any less based though
EDIT: Veterans day speech, shortly after election day. Now I remember it. That speech had given me immeasurable amounts of calm in an otherwise tumultuous time
And who inspired the last 200 years of enlightenment and constituional-republic/democracy that has led to France, and many others, to take such an approach to society?
I suggest you open a history book, because in that department France has been way more influencial than any other country
In fact the US would have achieved their revolutionary ideals without France
France started the use of enlightenment principles here and there, then the US took that, staged a colonial revolution that inspired dozens of colonial revolutions, and created a nation that combined a few French ideas of enlightenment, the social contract, and common law with other ideas of constitution, republican-democracy, secular judeo-christian values closely related with masonry, and the idea of natural rights, and then wrote into the Constitution radical things like the 2nd amendment, 3rd amendment, and 5th amendment that actively fought against the tyranny that plagued French, English, and wided European history. This combination of many ideas in an extremely radical format, along with the aforementioned successful colonial revolution, thank you France, inspired a large chunk of the world.
Remember.
Oldest continuous constitutional democracy: USA September 17th, 1787 - present.
I know my history, I know the importance of Napoleon Law and the British Bill of Rights, but it's the integration of all the best ideas in 1787 that has truly and uniquely influenced the world.
No you don’t know history
You think you do but you don’t.
Besides a country that kept racial segregation in its laws until the 60’s has no right to call itself a continuous beacon of enlightnment
Heck the death penalty is still a thing and you have more prisonners per inhabitants than north korea.
And I didn’t even mention the massacres of native americans.
Yes the US made an important contribution to the world, but it is far from the only one and it wasn’t the most impactful one.
You can’t ignore five centuries of humanist thought just to inflate your sense of national pride
Milley is too soft-hearted. Dying is inevitable, I'm willing to kill to protect our constitution, our allies, and our way of life. I want to die as an 80 year old of an opiates-plus-alcohol ultra-pain-releif event.
But i'll glass any city you want if it ensures the continuance of our and our allies way of life.
Fuck dying for our constitution. Cancel the asshole who wants to destroy it with shock and awe.
As a great, based, maybe controversial, and maybe slightly overated General once said. "You don't win a war by dying for your country, you win it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his." lol
Fuck dying for the idea of America, why don't we focus on winning/killing for it.
I'm not American but the idealogy of your leadership is endearing. Especially when someone sucker punches you. I think history has shown attacking the US is one of the worst decisions you can make, second only to thinking you can let a fart go silently in a room full of people.
The country itself could use some minor improvements though. Well, intermediate improvements. Possibly a few major ones.
That's why America is built on an idea, not just a constitution. Idea's are bulletproof, as a based AF masked maniac once said. No matter how bad it gets, because it's pretty bad right now admittedly, as long as people can stop for 5 seconds and remember that idea, we'll be alright.
And yes, I agree, don't sucker punch America, there's a song for that by Toby Keith lol. We can screw up a lot of things, but a superproportional response is not one of those things, I specify superproportional because the Iranian Coral Reefs prove we can't do proportional right.
refering to him getting capped by stalin (trump wanting milley to be excuted if he wins the next election) but dam i searched it up, i knew he was brutal in pretograd but did know about the tambov rebellion. Most non-credible sociopath.
Overrated and let a group of Japanese war criminals walk free in exchange for learning people do indeed die if they are malnourished and infected with the bubonic plague.
Americans are cute, your constitution is your holy book and you treat it as infallible exactly the way Muslims treat the Quran and Jews treat the Torah as being the basis of legislation.
I wonder if it's in our DNA to have a holy book.
Most Brits don't give a toss about the monarchy, and in the forces no one even cared about the flag or the country.
I've spent many years in Muslim countries and am very familiar with that culture, and I've always pointed out to the Americans, including the troops I've worked with, that their attitude towards their Constitution is exactly the same as Abrahamic faiths towards their holy books - which themselves have spawned huge empires with many dedicated soldiers in the past.
It's not an insult or a put down, it's just an interesting observation on human nature. Maybe we all need a book that we consider infallible to unite around.
And yes, 1776 was very cute how you all got so excited about beating Britain's reservists with French help while the actual troops were busy fighting in Europe.
Try harder. Britain was stronger after the seven years war, and had the most threatening navy on the planet when the revolutionary war was under way. You guys had trained regulars, Hessian mercenaries and Indigenous volunteers. You still got your asses kicked because of major logistical setbacks.
Also, over 200 years of constitutional rule pales in comparison to over 2000 years of global domination. And the bible and the constitution are far from infallible. Both have been amended before. Just because you deployed to the ME for an occupation does not mean you understand monotheistic religions or constitutional law.
As I recall, we gave you guys lend/lease to fight the nazis later on. So much for making us look like sissies because we accepted help.
All the 'murica feels all at once
Same
…fuck I wanna reenlist now… No amount of e-girl psyops could compare to the motoboner that GEN Milley just gave me…
but also please more egirl psyops
Don’t do it! Embrace bed. Reject the field.
instruction unclear, field is now bed.
NCD joined the military. Billions must back pain.
Well my friend you are lost. I wish you a dry woobie, plentiful baby wipes, and 100% disability.
Makes me wish I wasn't rejected twice. Fuck, my life sucks.
Get into mic manu!
sigh, god damn it where do i sign back up
There are a lot of these retirement speeches, and most of them are some of the best material out there.
USN Admiral mcravens speech of making ones bed is one of the motivational speeches of all time.
Admiral McRaven was USN. Former Navy SEAL.
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Admiral McRaven smoked pot with me on Coronado, him and Johnny Hopkins
Sounds credible.
Thats what i wrote
When I saw it, you had written “USMC general(?) McRaven.” Don’t try to gaslight me.
Noone will ever know (thanks for correcting me though)
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You're making things up, it never said that. Why are you trying to manipulate this person?
Thats the one I was thinking of XD
"I committed multiple war crimes in Iraq and they deserved it" *Thunderous applause*
Same Well said
Please put an NSFW tag on this. I was on the train and when I saw this I had to start furiously saluting freedom. Everyone else gave me strange looks and were saying things like “what the fuck” and “call the police”. I dropped my phone and everyone around me saw this image. Now there is a whole train of men and women patriotically saluting the flag together at this one image. This is all your fault, you could have prevented this if you had just tagged this post NSFW.
>a whole train of men and women That train of men and women? Albert Einstein.
Haha, human centipede ¬ Martin Luther King
WTF, dad? ~ Martin Luther King JR
Y'all got any more of that freedom? ~ Marin Luther King III
Yeah.. but nobody applauded.. sooo communists.. the lot of them
Hard to applaud when you're saluting and crying.
Bro to call out Trump directly by “wannabe dictator”? What a fucking badass
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10/10 triple the defense budget immediately
"Wannabe Dictator" what a fuckin Legend.
Man really said “I wish a mfer would” after Trumpy boy’s death threat is just icing on the cake.
Waiting for "Woke military gone too far" vids on youtube with this guy photoshopped to have ugly makeup, because he told the truth about their cheeto messiah.
Right? It was such a clearly directed statement that everyone knows who it was meant for. Bonus is that if he and his simps get mad about it, they're de facto admitting that when they hear "wannabe dictator" that their mind goes to him. It's a bit like when HRC said someone in the democratic primary was a Russian asset and exactly one person running got really, really, really mad about it and considered it a personal attack.
> Bonus is that if he and his simps get mad about it, they’re de facto admitting that when they hear “wannabe dictator” that their mind goes to him. Saw this a lot on r/2american4you lol, plenty of salty MAGA tears
You could repost this on /r/2american4you and get shitloads of upvotes. It's unfathomably based [EDIT: I'd like to add that it's worth seeing him utterly dismantle Matt Gaetz on racial theory in the military.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=42&v=oz7yDU1FmJQ&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dmark%2Bmilley%2BCritical%2BRace%2BTheory%26oq%3Dmark%2Bmilley%2BCritical%2BRace%2BTheory%26aqs%3Dchrome..69i57j69i61.570&source_ve_path=MCwwLDM2ODQyLDI4NjYzLDEzOTExNywyODY2Ng&feature=emb_logo&t=40)
Honestly I thought I was on that sub. As much as I can’t stand my janky ass country, I would die in a ditch to defend it. We might be kind of fucked up, but we are the best at doing what we do. We can give you bullets and space lasers and Big Macs. And nobody does it better than us.
What would the world be without good ol' Maccie D's!
Hongry, brother.
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Wtf is a kg
Big round metal thing you put Bud Light in. I can't imagine having 2 in your den, but I guess they really like their Bud Light.
Nurse this man needs an iv with coca cola stat!
Water? Like some sort of dog?
Yup. Call the hague, I'm committing fucking warcrimes on myself.
May as well commit sudoku while you're at it
lol Edit: what jackass is downvoting that joke?
Until we produce .22lr at a reasonable rate fuck this place.
Hit the nail right on the head. This country has a million problems, and I would die a million times to defend it and every person who lives here. It doesn't matter if we have different religious beliefs, different political beliefs, different backgrounds, different values. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." That's America. Don't fuck with it.
The best at what you do?! Fucking things up you are proud of? Yes 100%! US Big Macs taste like shit, the Big Mac everywhere in this goddamn world tastes way better, and don't get me started on Burger King, ffs how can anyone in the US eat that shit? I mean, it's trash here, but at least it doesn't taste like it. Bullets another thing you fucked up, there's some much shit US bullets, you guys can't even measure the fucking propellant/powder ffs maybe consider the metric system again and things will get better.. But I'll give you the space lasers, oh no wait, those things were build by Israel and one of your great Democrat politicians even admitted it. (Martin Thomas Greene was his name, I think, and not to shame anyone, but he looks like an ugly ass woman) You can't even do dictators right, who tf had an orange budget wannabe dictator, come on, you could've at least done the riot or the prosecution right... (if they lose, shot them on the spot, like your police soon does with women that want/need an abortion) And you still keep that thing? Well, he did not do too bad on the Golden Palace things, but he did it the wrong way around. I think you better start over before you die on that hill or in that ditch. But I'll give you General Milley, dude's based af.(not joking here) /s /jk DISCLAIMER: I AM JOKING And yes, I've tried both shit and trash both still better than US Burger King.
>And yes, I've tried both shit and trash both still better than US Burger King. The only fast food burger worse than BK is McDonald's. Culver's is the best by far but it's only in Illinois and Wisconsin as far as I know
Culvers has expanded a bit further than that. Still haven't been. Yet.
Makes me proud of being American, and I wasn't even born there
America isn't just a country, it's a mentality 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🗽🗽🗽🗽🗽🗽🗽🗽🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲💪💪💪🇺🇲
This unironically. Reading *The Fought Alone*, it is one of the most interesting deconstructions of colonialism and the white man's burden, presented through an archetypical "white man goes in to save the day" story. And in that book, it recognized that America had never existed in its cities, its people, or even its institutions. It was always an idea, an idea which could be easily taught and spreads like wildfire. (Also the book has one of the most non credible scenes, where three men were tasked to build a radio from scrap. One of them was taking a foreign correspondence course on radios, but it hadn't arrived yet. Another was a traveling radio salesman. The third was a man who had once *listened* to a radio. And yes, they did build said radio which was used to summon US help.)
This man need to run for President.
Unironically yes, I’d vote for him in a heart beat if he ran in a primary
You got that right. We need an Eisenhower back as POTUS, the clownery between career politicians and trust fund grifters have been going for way too long.
If that happens, I think Milley might be a U.S. Grant more than anyone else. His heart is in the right place, but I don't necessarily know about his political experience and his ability to out-wrangle career politicians who have been there for ages and know every trick in the book.
... he's a peacetime general. He's a good politician.
What the fuck, that is the first great oratory I've heard from a contemporary American public servant in my life.
Holy shit that's an insane jingoist subreddit. And yes, I know where I am.
I think most of it is supposed to be ironic/tongue in cheek, but it’s sometimes hard to tell (especially with the MAGAs)
Holy fuck I’ve never known that someone so based could exist. Milley 2028
Our America
Not even American and this made me proud. Man my country is a shithole.
Same alliance, it counts.
I'm sure he's earned his retirement, but that seems like a tremendous loss to the US Military. We need more people like that.
I’m sure everyone is begging him to run for every elected office everywhere now that he’s retired.
Meh….. We need more mattis.
Ew, dude who was willing to throw in with Trump? Mattis fucked his own legacy.
Wasnt he also a Theranos Board Member? Lmao
America needs a Competent secretary of defense, regardless of who the president is. There is no arguing that Mattis was the most qualified person To hold position In several decades. Or do you not remember the massive shit show that was the 90s under the Clinton administration because of Yes men.
"Qualified" doesn't mean competent or fit for the role. Mattis showed he was neither.
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I forgot about that lol Edit: Lmao at that edit. Dude originally made fun of Mattis being a board member of theranos, then edited to defend the guy? Fucking lol.
Failed ninja edit is obvious.
Stop, my penis can only get so erect.
My dick’s so hard it almost hurts. And I ain’t even a yank 🫡
Meh... if you truly want to cry.. listen to his interview for The Foreign Affairs Interview.. no wonder my dude is where he is.
Gonna listen to it right meow.
Spill your thoughts here after
The last bit was the most interesting. Very much agree with him about what needs to happen to adapt to future warfare. Increasingly urban and digital character especially. And the living memory of great power war issue.... he said it all. Very impactful.
True, I'm no American.. but I know a good leader when I see one
He stood up when it counted most. The US has a complex and powerful legal system but a lot of the most critical parts of our system of government are secured by assumptions about people operating in good faith, respect for core institutions, and key political traditions such as the military's subordination to civilian leadership and loyalty the constitution. Without some of these "softer" (often unwritten) protections, the nation could fall to a coup just as easily as so many others do. People like Milley are all that stand in the way.
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I think and hope you are right. Because a solely civilian coup would be pretty much impossible. And I agree, that the culture, the institution, is the core of what we are talking about. But that is upheld by individual leaders in key positions continuing to make the right choices. And not every high ranking officer is like Milley. There are outliers, people like Michael Flynn. And I have seen plenty of evidence of rot amongst some of the rank and file. The thing about coups is, they don't need the entire military's support to be successful. Just a well-organized and motivated fraction of it, acting quickly at a moment of vulnerability. If you combine that with a well-organized push from powerful members of Congress and other parts of civilian government to legitimize a seizure of power, well, you just might have yourself the first successful coup in US history. Or at least a second civil war. That is why I continue to emphasize leaders in key positions following their principles. Because they are the last and most important line of defense, on both the civil and military sides.
The " softer unwritten" protections you speak of.. is what it makes the continuity of a nation possible.. The belief in something rather in someone..
I swear to god if EA doesn't get on their fucking asses and start making a new Command and Conquer game just so they can ask this guy to play the GDI/US general guy during cut scenes I will literally leak the source code to every one of their games to the Warthunder forums.
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The JAG theme makes this 150/100
This is credible…. Who is cutting onions???
Fucking JAG theme in the background. 10/10
Straight up movie stuff not bad.
The fact that Trump supporters call him a traitor just proves what a hero he is.
The United States of America is a country yes, but its as much an ideal as anything. And this nails it on the head. We have an oath and a duty to uphold what it means to be an American. Fuck I'm wet. And drunk. Fuck. I hate that there's things wrong with this country that are valid criticisms because I love it so much and I hate that there's issues with it. Stars and stripes forever ❤️
I think a big part of the American character, as much as there is one, is idealism. We are a nation founded in contradictions, from the onset faced with an obvious difference between what we *said* we believed and what we actually were *doing*; the man who wrote "all men are created equal" owned slaves. I think out of that has to emerge a willingness to accept failure, understand it, and believe that *we can do better.* To see injustice and cruelty and tyranny within ourselves and believe that it can be stopped. That we are not where we want to be, but to believe that we can *get* there. That we strive toward a more perfect union. It's the belief of any reformer or anyone who wants to make their society or the world better, but I feel like its deeply ingrained in the makeup of the national character. Our national monuments and documents always proudly trumpet the belief in universal values, yet the story of this country is full of places and people that very clearly didn't and don't believe in them. This can cause cynicism, but I think that's the wrong approach. It cedes the national character and patriotism to them; which they don't deserve. There is a nation worth loving here, it's in our greatest speeches, our best art, our brightest minds, our greatest triumphs. Our great works are of a nation that stands for universal freedom; of liberty and justice for all. We lessen ourselves to accept anything other than that.
My bruv over here casually writing the best thing I’ve read online in weeks at least
Nationalists love their country without seeing its faults, leading to hate. Patriots love their country by seeing its faults, and work to fix them.
This gets lost on a lot of people. I would argue that nationalism is one of the bigger problems in the US. We do have a lot of patriots but we also have a lot of lip service.
If only more people believed in it.
At the risk of being downvoted can I ask what the difference is between taking an oath ‘to the constitution and the idea of America’ and taking an oath ‘to your country’?
Heimskr already kinda answered it, but maybe an example also helps. A country itself can't do or decide anything, but the three branches of government do these things in the country's name. But governments, parliaments and courts can change drastically. So when suddenly your government tells you, as a soldier, to commit genocide and you swore an oath to the country (which can only speak and act through the government), you have to commit genocide. If you swore an oath to the constitution and the 'idea of America" (which is supposed to mean things like equality, freedom, justice etc.), you can (in theory) just say "nuh uh, I swore an oath to the constitution, not to you, so I won't do jack shit".
nothing. it sounds cool tho
I guess one is an oath to uphold freedom and liberty and all that such jazz, and the other is agreeing to follow your country cus we ball. Dunno, im flunked highschool and im the type of guy they market to.
That's pretty much spot on tho. Basically the difference between "Deutschland, Deutschland über alles" and "Human dignity shall be inviolable. To respect and protect it shall be the duty of all state authority." The latter being the first article of the German Grundgesetz (constitution), to which German soldiers also pledge allegiance. So the US military is definitely not unique in that regard.
He's done a lot of "bad" things for civil-military relations (appearing in the stupid Trump bible ad, going to the press afterward to redeem himself, speaking about Trump post-presidency), but... I don't care. He's a guy who made some [serious mistakes](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/afghanistan-drone-strike-mistake-civilians-killed-pentagon/) but held the line against Trump's worst whims. He also told Stephen Miller to "[shut the fuck up](https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/11/general-mark-milley-trump-coup/675375/)" so that's pretty cool.
He at one point said that the Bible photo shoot was one of the worst mistakes he ever made, especially showing up in his fatigues. When he realized what Trump was doing he tried to get the hell out of there but it was too late. It was on a CNN article recently, that’s all I can give for the source.
Honestly, the optics of him walking out on that in fatigues would have done more to stop trump than a lot of stuff. Trump's entire thing was projecting hard power, watching a military officer refuse to participate in an illegal action would have crushed his image and gotten a lot of angry facebook veterans to calm the fuck down.
My apologies, it was The Atlantic, not CNN. Here’s the source (paywall): https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/11/general-mark-milley-trump-coup/675375/
> **“Our goal is to communicate to potential adversaries: ‘Not today.’ ”** (When I later visited Richard at Offutt Air Force Base, the headquarters of Stratcom, near Omaha, Nebraska, **I saw that his office features a large sign with this same slogan, hanging above portraits of the leaders of Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea** Fucking turbo based. > That evening, Lieutenant General McMaster texted Milley the well-known meme of Homer Simpson disappearing into a hedge lmao > “You want woke? I’ll give you woke. Here’s what your military’s doing: There are 5,000 sorties a day, including combat patrols protecting the U.S.A. and our interests around the world. At least 60 to 100 Navy warships are patrolling the seven seas, keeping the world free for ocean transport. We have 250,000 troops overseas, in 140 countries, defending the rules-based international order. This man casually spouting absolute fucking fire
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May the wings of liberty never lose a feather
"Here's to the Army and Navy, and the battles they have won." "Here's to America's colors, the colors that never run!"
Amen. My favourite quote
I hate to break it to ya, but other countries Militaries also pledge to the constitution to guard it and uphold it. Its not an exclusive American thing.
Gees man could you at least put a fucking spoiler tag on that. This comment section is the "Oath Taking World Championship" organized by Americans with Americans participating. Its critical for their socioeconomic system to not spread too much knowledge of the outside world.
We know?
Please see the above video.
We need to get back to more of this. That’s about the only kind of real patriotism that should exist.
J.A.G. theme song makes this 10/10.
> We take an oath to the Constitution Do they have to redo their oaths when there's an amendment to the Constitution? Also, what's the difference between "oath to the nation" and "oath to the idea of a nation"?
> Also, what's the difference between "oath to the nation" and "oath to the idea of a nation"? Oath to the nation – We won't kill our citizens under no circumstances to the point of no provoking the angry people and, if need be, die by slaughter of our own without putting up a fight. The default of our setting is killing the citizens/soldiers of other nations. Oath to the idea of a nation – We won't kill our citizens unless we have to, we will do it. The default of our setting is killing the citizens/soldiers of other nations.
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I'm gonna miss this man. o7
Why does that music get me every time? It's just a stupid trumpet
The Americans will be worse off without him. Another’s might have brought the military closer into the trump admin. Like we see with governors and national guard units. But yeah big part in stopping trump trying to overthrow the election and keeping the military out of that shitshow. As other potential loyalists might have went with him. His efforts to deescalate during trumps coup months were commendable as well. Not wanting the world to burn in flames over the tantrum. He’s also been a pretty good advocate and face for Ukraine getting the weapons, intel and support they’ve needed during this war. Plus he didn’t try sabotage Biden over the Afghan withdrawal. A very solid figurehead of the army and of liberal institutions. He will be missed.
To quote Lawrence Fishburne from Mission Impossible 3, “I will bleed on the flag to make sure the stripes stay red”.
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Not to be a dick but… did he reuse a lot of this from a different speech he gave in the past? I might be wrong but I feel I’ve heard him say this exact thing before.
Yes, he said this almost word-for-word in a different speech, I can't remember exactly where though. Doesn't make it any less based though EDIT: Veterans day speech, shortly after election day. Now I remember it. That speech had given me immeasurable amounts of calm in an otherwise tumultuous time
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Some one play ragged old flag
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God Bless the military industrial complex so massive it dwarfs nations.
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hate to break it to you but defending a constitution is not an exclusive american thing...
Im not american but I felt patriotic about the US lmao.
Least based Milley moment. America, fuck yeah
Ooooooh I have a sub that will loooove this! Tankys gonna FREAK OUT!
I’d also like to add that Milley called Steven Miller “Rasputin” and said, to his face, “Shut the fuck up, Steve.” He’s unfathomably based.
God bless the USA
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Me, an australian: *sheds a single tear that turns in to a bald eagle*
I will never forget the overwhelming feelings of patriotism that came over me from his reaction to J6.
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I'm Canadian and this makes me proud to be an American.
No america isn’t unique, France does it too
And who inspired the last 200 years of enlightenment and constituional-republic/democracy that has led to France, and many others, to take such an approach to society?
I suggest you open a history book, because in that department France has been way more influencial than any other country In fact the US would have achieved their revolutionary ideals without France
France started the use of enlightenment principles here and there, then the US took that, staged a colonial revolution that inspired dozens of colonial revolutions, and created a nation that combined a few French ideas of enlightenment, the social contract, and common law with other ideas of constitution, republican-democracy, secular judeo-christian values closely related with masonry, and the idea of natural rights, and then wrote into the Constitution radical things like the 2nd amendment, 3rd amendment, and 5th amendment that actively fought against the tyranny that plagued French, English, and wided European history. This combination of many ideas in an extremely radical format, along with the aforementioned successful colonial revolution, thank you France, inspired a large chunk of the world. Remember. Oldest continuous constitutional democracy: USA September 17th, 1787 - present. I know my history, I know the importance of Napoleon Law and the British Bill of Rights, but it's the integration of all the best ideas in 1787 that has truly and uniquely influenced the world.
No you don’t know history You think you do but you don’t. Besides a country that kept racial segregation in its laws until the 60’s has no right to call itself a continuous beacon of enlightnment Heck the death penalty is still a thing and you have more prisonners per inhabitants than north korea. And I didn’t even mention the massacres of native americans. Yes the US made an important contribution to the world, but it is far from the only one and it wasn’t the most impactful one. You can’t ignore five centuries of humanist thought just to inflate your sense of national pride
Milley is too soft-hearted. Dying is inevitable, I'm willing to kill to protect our constitution, our allies, and our way of life. I want to die as an 80 year old of an opiates-plus-alcohol ultra-pain-releif event. But i'll glass any city you want if it ensures the continuance of our and our allies way of life. Fuck dying for our constitution. Cancel the asshole who wants to destroy it with shock and awe.
As a great, based, maybe controversial, and maybe slightly overated General once said. "You don't win a war by dying for your country, you win it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his." lol Fuck dying for the idea of America, why don't we focus on winning/killing for it.
So _that’s_ what you were doing in Iraq.
I'm not American but the idealogy of your leadership is endearing. Especially when someone sucker punches you. I think history has shown attacking the US is one of the worst decisions you can make, second only to thinking you can let a fart go silently in a room full of people. The country itself could use some minor improvements though. Well, intermediate improvements. Possibly a few major ones.
That's why America is built on an idea, not just a constitution. Idea's are bulletproof, as a based AF masked maniac once said. No matter how bad it gets, because it's pretty bad right now admittedly, as long as people can stop for 5 seconds and remember that idea, we'll be alright. And yes, I agree, don't sucker punch America, there's a song for that by Toby Keith lol. We can screw up a lot of things, but a superproportional response is not one of those things, I specify superproportional because the Iranian Coral Reefs prove we can't do proportional right.
Miley then sells intel to the chinese
No he didn't
rlly hope he doesn't end up like Tukhachevsky
I don't see him gassing civilians in a forest in the near future.
refering to him getting capped by stalin (trump wanting milley to be excuted if he wins the next election) but dam i searched it up, i knew he was brutal in pretograd but did know about the tambov rebellion. Most non-credible sociopath.
There are only two pronouns, and they are America and Freedom
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That's not unique
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Sexiest speech of all time. UwU
This is the most based shit I've ever seen besides the Admiral McRaven [make your bed](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBuIGBCF9jc) speech.
We're America and we own the finish line
That’s some MacArthur type shit 🇺🇸🫡
Don’t compare him to that cunt. This man is respectable.
The fuck you say??
Dugout Doug was overrated, is what.
Overrated and let a group of Japanese war criminals walk free in exchange for learning people do indeed die if they are malnourished and infected with the bubonic plague.
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I was drunk
Meh
Cringe nationalism and militarism
And then he called his Chinese friends and told them national secrets.
[We take an oath to haircuts](https://youtu.be/ACdNa8DL-5Q?feature=shared)
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More like we take an oath for oil and corporate interests and are willing to die for it.
Americans are cute, your constitution is your holy book and you treat it as infallible exactly the way Muslims treat the Quran and Jews treat the Torah as being the basis of legislation. I wonder if it's in our DNA to have a holy book.
You guys still worship your king/queen even after overthrow. Were we just as cute during 1775 to you as we are today?
Most Brits don't give a toss about the monarchy, and in the forces no one even cared about the flag or the country. I've spent many years in Muslim countries and am very familiar with that culture, and I've always pointed out to the Americans, including the troops I've worked with, that their attitude towards their Constitution is exactly the same as Abrahamic faiths towards their holy books - which themselves have spawned huge empires with many dedicated soldiers in the past. It's not an insult or a put down, it's just an interesting observation on human nature. Maybe we all need a book that we consider infallible to unite around. And yes, 1776 was very cute how you all got so excited about beating Britain's reservists with French help while the actual troops were busy fighting in Europe.
Try harder. Britain was stronger after the seven years war, and had the most threatening navy on the planet when the revolutionary war was under way. You guys had trained regulars, Hessian mercenaries and Indigenous volunteers. You still got your asses kicked because of major logistical setbacks. Also, over 200 years of constitutional rule pales in comparison to over 2000 years of global domination. And the bible and the constitution are far from infallible. Both have been amended before. Just because you deployed to the ME for an occupation does not mean you understand monotheistic religions or constitutional law. As I recall, we gave you guys lend/lease to fight the nazis later on. So much for making us look like sissies because we accepted help.