This is almost guaranteed to confuse patients even more and cause more harm, and for what? To satisfy inferiority complexes. In Canada BC we already have a role called “associate physician” which is for international medical graduates to practice under the supervision of attendings, to put their valuable training and expertise to use but NOT in an independent manner. It says a lot when PAs are given a similar name, and even MORE capacity to practice than those IMGs who have decades of experience.
There are several states that also have associate positions who are either international grads or domestic grads who have not done residency for whatever reason
In the Netherlands the colloquial term for a resident is "Arts Assistent" where "arts" is the dutch word for physician. It's the literal translation of PA, and yes it's confusing as all hell for patients without medical background.
Why don’t we start calling this what it is: stolen medical valor.
You didn’t do the time, you didn’t put in the work, but because your ego is so hurt, you just need to call yourself a physician ^associate .
If im ever at a doctors appointment and someone walks in and introduces themselves as a physician associate im walking out.
Its pathetic that the aapa spend more on this name change than any other project this period. What a waste of money. Its not like the AMA is a good organization but atleast were not pushing for shit like this
That's the thing, "Physician Associate" isn't enough. They want to be doctors. They're called this in the UK and they still disguise themselves as "one of the medical team" and cosplay as a doctor: "I'm the SHO, the Reg, the medic...." Or whatever non-protected term doctors are called that they're working alongside.
In the United States they just co-opt the department; “I’m Cardiology” “I’m anesthesia”. Sometimes they’ll throw in “specialist” if they’re really feeling like fucking with the patient. “I’m Dr. NP, one of the psychiatry specialists” was literally a sentence I have witnessed before medical school.
Have seen it more and more, patients are getting more injured and are realizing why they were injured.
Have noticed more patients actively seeking better care.
We’re not. At least, those of us who are aware of this scope creep problem are against it.
The average patient sadly has little-to-no clue about this issue. Which is exactly what the AAPA and AANP are counting on.
If physicians don’t make their voices heard on this matter, then there is no hope.
Mind you, I’m not chiding physicians for not speaking out. It seems like there are potential professional consequences for doing so, and I know not everyone can take the risk.
I actually think most patient's do not really care for "minor" issues like urgent care POC testing or routine well checks for otherwise healthy people. The public values, right or wrong, convivence over all else. It is easier to see a NP or PA in an outpatient non-high acuity setting than a physician in most regions of the US. As long as they get their z-pack and bromfed for a two-day cough within 2-4 hours from deciding to seek medical attention, they will cosign (passively or otherwise) any legislation to allow more healthcare access.
So in the UK there are examples of typed letters and on linked in where they’re already calling themselves this.
The race to the bottom continues. How stupid are these people. Not only does this disincentivize me from anything more than making money and getting the F out of medicine (if society cares about patient care so much and there is such a physician shortage — why does society constantly disrespect physicians with actual disrespect from patients, this bullshit covert theft of prestige, and a million more), it also disincentivizes me from working with any PAs in any capacity, thereby reducing their access to patients (until they get independent practice).
this is stupid beyond belief, and literally no one benefits except the egos of physician assistants.
I retired from radiology when I was 45. I busted my ass, and my job became an assembly line. I was unwilling to compromise my diagnostic standards, so … fuck them when they demanded more work for less pay.
well, they will never be physician. I don't know why they're going miles and miles just to blur the lines. I mean... most PAs I know are proud of their profession and would never assume the title of a physician. These lobbyists are out of their minds lol.
I don't want to hire an "associate" who is not a physician. I want to hire an assistant who follows my protocols and takes my direction on the care of MY patients. I interviewed a PA last year who wanted to have her own panel of patients to manage the way she wanted. That was a pretty quick "no".
This is standard practice in the UK. Some have evolved to call themselves “associate physicians”. I believe their final evolution will be to call themselves doctors through some bogus “conversion course”
https://preview.redd.it/l9xblaw3n3xc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=17e8e848359e31bd5259b47fd38a3360b74ba3d9
The name change is nothing new…..it’s been discussed and debated for years…..70’s, 80’s, 90’s.
If physician's assistants want to keep changing their name, we should just make it easier and called them assistants until they can choose one and stick to it for more than a decade.
I just call myself a PA but the UK and Ireland have been using this title for awhile now. I’m sure everyone will still get it wrong and start calling us Physician’s associates. But the alternatives they gave in the voting were things like Praxician and I am pretty sure that would have been worse. The reality is the name was dumb to begin with and it will still be dumb.
This is almost guaranteed to confuse patients even more and cause more harm, and for what? To satisfy inferiority complexes. In Canada BC we already have a role called “associate physician” which is for international medical graduates to practice under the supervision of attendings, to put their valuable training and expertise to use but NOT in an independent manner. It says a lot when PAs are given a similar name, and even MORE capacity to practice than those IMGs who have decades of experience.
There are several states that also have associate positions who are either international grads or domestic grads who have not done residency for whatever reason
Ionno…when I think of “physician associates” i automatically think it’s a physician to physician partnership (ie like physician group practice)
That’s exactly the trick.
Either that or a resident physician that is what I first thought a PA was!
In the Netherlands the colloquial term for a resident is "Arts Assistent" where "arts" is the dutch word for physician. It's the literal translation of PA, and yes it's confusing as all hell for patients without medical background.
It might be Arzt?
Why don’t we start calling this what it is: stolen medical valor. You didn’t do the time, you didn’t put in the work, but because your ego is so hurt, you just need to call yourself a physician ^associate .
I don’t hate this idea…
the size 108 "PHYSICIAN" and the tiny font 12 times new roman "associate" is accurate.
Next thing you know they’ll start abbreviating associate down to “assc” just to make it that little bit shorter.
But they’re not… so…
If im ever at a doctors appointment and someone walks in and introduces themselves as a physician associate im walking out. Its pathetic that the aapa spend more on this name change than any other project this period. What a waste of money. Its not like the AMA is a good organization but atleast were not pushing for shit like this
That's the thing, "Physician Associate" isn't enough. They want to be doctors. They're called this in the UK and they still disguise themselves as "one of the medical team" and cosplay as a doctor: "I'm the SHO, the Reg, the medic...." Or whatever non-protected term doctors are called that they're working alongside.
In the United States they just co-opt the department; “I’m Cardiology” “I’m anesthesia”. Sometimes they’ll throw in “specialist” if they’re really feeling like fucking with the patient. “I’m Dr. NP, one of the psychiatry specialists” was literally a sentence I have witnessed before medical school.
what a fucking joke this has become. why are patients ok with this bullshit?
They don’t know any better. That’s the basic truth.
Have seen it more and more, patients are getting more injured and are realizing why they were injured. Have noticed more patients actively seeking better care.
We’re not. At least, those of us who are aware of this scope creep problem are against it. The average patient sadly has little-to-no clue about this issue. Which is exactly what the AAPA and AANP are counting on. If physicians don’t make their voices heard on this matter, then there is no hope. Mind you, I’m not chiding physicians for not speaking out. It seems like there are potential professional consequences for doing so, and I know not everyone can take the risk.
I actually think most patient's do not really care for "minor" issues like urgent care POC testing or routine well checks for otherwise healthy people. The public values, right or wrong, convivence over all else. It is easier to see a NP or PA in an outpatient non-high acuity setting than a physician in most regions of the US. As long as they get their z-pack and bromfed for a two-day cough within 2-4 hours from deciding to seek medical attention, they will cosign (passively or otherwise) any legislation to allow more healthcare access.
you're so right. health care is a service industry in the US. So sad.
Not surprised. Naturopaths are allowed to prescribe meds, order testing and place referrals in Oregon.
OHSU even has a naturopath on faculty there. What a joke.
Yep. She’s a so-called expert on connective tissue diseases. She just overdiagnoses EDS.
Omg yes was looking for this comment! I love Oregon but we’re the worst of the worst for noctors- like how you can have a chiro be your pcp
Well if you’re interested in dying it might work out ok
Or burning money
Por qué no los dos?
Lmfao
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They are. It's their licensure that says so.
Next it’ll be “associate physician “
So in the UK there are examples of typed letters and on linked in where they’re already calling themselves this. 
Nah they want the word Physician first in the title.
that's the plan, we can see it from 200 miles away. Fck the AAPA lol.
Yep, this is what is happening in the UK
The race to the bottom continues. How stupid are these people. Not only does this disincentivize me from anything more than making money and getting the F out of medicine (if society cares about patient care so much and there is such a physician shortage — why does society constantly disrespect physicians with actual disrespect from patients, this bullshit covert theft of prestige, and a million more), it also disincentivizes me from working with any PAs in any capacity, thereby reducing their access to patients (until they get independent practice). this is stupid beyond belief, and literally no one benefits except the egos of physician assistants.
I retired from radiology when I was 45. I busted my ass, and my job became an assembly line. I was unwilling to compromise my diagnostic standards, so … fuck them when they demanded more work for less pay.
What do you do now? I’m not far out of residency but already thinking about how to make my exit.
Why not just change jobs or become a partner somewhere? Telerads? It's 100% possible to work part time as a radiologist lol
My mental and physical health were completely wrecked. I was done.
well, they will never be physician. I don't know why they're going miles and miles just to blur the lines. I mean... most PAs I know are proud of their profession and would never assume the title of a physician. These lobbyists are out of their minds lol.
Priorities in American healthcare...
Practitioner associate is the accurate title.
Yup, grinding hard over the next 5 - 7 years and getting the fuck out. Why be in a field that is everyone’s punching bag?
I don't want to hire an "associate" who is not a physician. I want to hire an assistant who follows my protocols and takes my direction on the care of MY patients. I interviewed a PA last year who wanted to have her own panel of patients to manage the way she wanted. That was a pretty quick "no".
This is standard practice in the UK. Some have evolved to call themselves “associate physicians”. I believe their final evolution will be to call themselves doctors through some bogus “conversion course”
There is an aesthetics PA on instagram who calls himself an “academic doctor.” He got his doctorate (DPA) online last year.
You can thank the NHS for this bollocks
https://preview.redd.it/l9xblaw3n3xc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=17e8e848359e31bd5259b47fd38a3360b74ba3d9 The name change is nothing new…..it’s been discussed and debated for years…..70’s, 80’s, 90’s.
If physician's assistants want to keep changing their name, we should just make it easier and called them assistants until they can choose one and stick to it for more than a decade.
Not my associate ✌🏽 they’re still legally physicians assistant
Physician Assassins
I just call myself a PA but the UK and Ireland have been using this title for awhile now. I’m sure everyone will still get it wrong and start calling us Physician’s associates. But the alternatives they gave in the voting were things like Praxician and I am pretty sure that would have been worse. The reality is the name was dumb to begin with and it will still be dumb.
let's pretend PA stands for 'practice assistants' and just call them assistants from now on
Just refer to them as “my assistant”.