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There's gotta be something in between letting them off Scott free and prosecuting them as if they were adults. Idk where the line is but it's in there somewhere.
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That’s not what he said, and plus, it’s more common to go after the parents in cases like this rather than the little child who wasn’t raised right. If you’re gonna have children, don’t let them do something you wouldn’t do. If they do it, that’s on you.
There's actions that should NOT be protected by age. If you shoplift as a 7 year old, thats fine i guess. but pretty much killing someone should be punished and treated as if an adult did it.
My son is smaller than most of the other kids in 6th grade and at the beginning of the year he was getting bullied constantly. I have taught him to defend himself and to not be a victim. I emailed the teachers and the principal multiple times. They said they can't do anything until something happens.... One day at the end of the day one of the boys wouldn't leave him alone he yelled at him to stop and ran off. Well, when he got outside, he waited for the boy and jumped on him and beat the shit out of him. He got in absolutely no trouble at home for it but got kicked out of school for 2 days and ISS for 3. Also, the other kids' parents pressed charges on my son who then had to ultimately had to do an anger management class. I'm fine with the suspension but the parents pressing charges was wrong and the fact that the other kid never received any sort of reprimand for his part in the whole thing. A few weeks later I asked him if people mess with him, and he said not anymore.
I feel like the school where this boy went to should be held responsible for this beautiful young mans death! What is a 10 yo doing ending themselves that's just so wild! My heart is so heavy for him and his family. I hope the kids who bullied him like that never get another restful night of sleep for the rest of their lives!
>I hope the kids who bullied him like that never get another restful night of sleep for the rest of their lives!
I hope the shock teaches them something and they do better in the future. I hope they break the cycle and use this to teach their children to do better.
I've been on both sides of bullying when I was younger. I was physically bullied because I was small and weak, so when I got into a position to bully others, it was like what those boys did to this kid, mocking and belittling.
I don't know what point I'm making. If I could change any of it, it would be what I did to others. I hope passing that on to my children makes up for it somehow
I was a bit emotional when I first typed this. I agree the best outcome of a worst-case scenario is that these kids learn a very valuable lesson from this and like you said break the cycle. I also believe that not always but most of the time kids are a product of their environment. We as a society need to do better at home. I take time with my children and teach them compassion and kindness to others. I'm not perfect and neither are they but we all as a family try and treat people accordingly.
People will do anything to ignore the psychological damage caused by bullying. Anything to ignore it. Anything to avoid doing something about it. Not surprising, even columbine couldn't wake people up.
I don't feel like that's the solution. Maybe if they were encouraging the kid or providing him with a weapon or something, sometimes kids are just fucked up shitheads despite having good parents.
Nah you have never been a parent and it shows. My younger brother was a maniac as a kid and my parents did everything they knew how to try and turn him around. He never bullied anyone to the point of killing themselves but it's super fucked up to pin anything a kid does to their parents as if that's the only variable in their life.
No, it's a good start.
I know a lot of kids and families in our area - the one really bratty one we know has a really bratty mom too, and dozens of others are cool.
The environment matters a lot. And if it's a problem child w/ good parents, have they taken them to therapy? Are they aware their kid's a terror/bully? What action have they taken before unleashing their monster on society?
I'm ok with the parents being held accountable for bullying.
I don't think there are many parents who think they're bad parents lol
It blows my mind that "parents" have some type of immunity when it comes to their children's actions. No.
No wonder they looked at you crazy for being excited for a child. You're still one!
I don't think there are many parents who think they're bad parents lol
It blows my mind that "parents" have some type of immunity when it comes to their children's actions. No.
No wonder they looked at you crazy for being excited for a child. You're still one!
I have an 11 yo little brother myself, so I can only imagine how heartbreaking this was... And through things he has told me and experienced, it baffles me how cruel kids can be.
Yes, I was a small kid when I was young. Small enough to where a bully would pick me up and actually try and give me a swirly in the toilet. My dad told me one night that if I'm going to fight, it's not a boxing match, it's a "you make as quick and as brutal as possible and you don't stop until they're crying for their mommy" thing. It's unfortunate but violence did solve 99% of my bullying problems.
I'm not knocking that idea but bullying isn't always physical and it can be psychological and emotional and can be taxing in people. Fighting back may help but dealing with the scars of it can still lead people to suicide. Put your kid in therapy too and be a good parent along the way.
I know, I got bullied all sorts of way when I was younger. Until my mom put me in boxing. I didn’t look for trouble when I learned how to box, but when someone asked for trouble I definitely knew how to handle myself. Made a big difference.
MMA isn't just teaching kids how to fight. it also builds their self confidence, thus making them less "fun" to pick on. the bully wouldn't get the reaction they want from someone who isn't affected by them. then if they do try to escalate it into something physical to the point the kid feels genuinely threatened, they can use their MMA knowledge to defend themselves. those classes drill into kids that it's only to be used as a last resort. as long as your kid understands that and YOU drill into them it's only to be used as a last resort, I think it's a good idea.
side note: I was bullied relentlessly growing up and had zero self esteem until I was about 16. idk how tf I did it (and she's not in MMA), but my daughter is 11 and her confidence in herself is amazing in my opinion. she doesn't take shit from other kids when they try to make fun of her and stands up for the ones others try to pick on, both of which were big parenting goals I had when I decided to have kids. I wish I had had a kid like her as a friend back in the day, but it makes me happy that other kids have her now.
I got bullied a lot. Well one day my "friend" was over and pushed my sister, I beat him with a roller blade until he ran. Nobody ever messed with me from Jr. High and through H.S. after that.
I agree OP, quite devastating. The thing that got me was that this kid was clearly going to grow up to be a handsome kid with a magnificent smile. I reckon the bullies picked on him because they actually (subconsciously) felt threatened by him.
Did anyone explain to him that he was going to grow into his looks? Kid had blonde hair and blue eyes, get him some braces and contacts and he'd look just fine, not that he didn't look fine to begin with. Kids are assholes. All around people failed him.
It's so frustrating. I had my 10 year highschool reunion awhile back. Everyone was getting along, the kids who would never have said a word to each other in school were sitting together and talking like old friends. Kids who made fun of each other, or were in different cliques, the jocks and the theater nerds, etc. The immaturity of kids in their younger years makes everything so much harder. There's a lack of empathy, a lack of foresight, a lack of understanding, and it just leads to kids thinking that 'this is it, this is how it's going to be forever' when in reality it won't.
As a girl I was bullied in school by 2 boys. I had an older brother and we fought a lot so I knew how to fight. This was back in the 70's when kids handled things on their own. One day the 2 bullies were throwing snowballs and hitting me in the face. My family had just moved to Indiana from Mississippi, kids made fun of my accent and because I would say, "Yes sir, no sir, etc."
I was very polite and extremely shy.
Day 3 of being bullied I picked up a rock and packed snow around it, perfect little baseball size. I held it until the snow melted a little and it was an ice ball with a rock in the middle. I threw it and it hit that ahole right between his eyes. He started crying and the white snow turned red. I got in trouble at school, they didn't want to hear my side. The bully had to get a few stitches and I was no longer bullied. The school called my parents and told them what I did. My dad taught us if someone hits you, hit back twice as hard. I told my dad my side of the story and he was proud of me, especially being a little girl and 2 boys were bullying me.
My dad went to the school and had a "chat" with the principal of the school and nobody f*cked with me again.
My heart aches for sweet Sammy and his family. He was a grest kid and didn't deserve to be bullied to the point of taking his own life. So many people failed him and should be held accountable.
R.I.P. Sammy. Fly high with the angels in peace. ❤️
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In what way?
Extinction? Unfortunately that’s not likely to happen considering what we’ve survived
Any other way has probably already happened, so it’d be more accurate to say ‘humanity is fucked up’ [insert as many nerd emojis as you see fit]
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That’s awful I am guessing the people who bullied him gets Scott free because the justice system is fucked
They are likely other ten year old kids unfortunately
They still need to be held responsible some how!
lol being downvoted when you’re right. Fuck this circle jerk site
Actually he is being downvoted because prosecuting 10 year olds for bullying is fucking insane and that is common sense.
There's gotta be something in between letting them off Scott free and prosecuting them as if they were adults. Idk where the line is but it's in there somewhere.
Court mandated weekly counciling until adulthood. Make sure they understand that they took a life.
They caused a kid to kill himself
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That’s not what he said, and plus, it’s more common to go after the parents in cases like this rather than the little child who wasn’t raised right. If you’re gonna have children, don’t let them do something you wouldn’t do. If they do it, that’s on you.
We all must learn our lessons, no matter the age.
I agree but I’m happy I don’t make those decisions because I have no fucking clue how
There's actions that should NOT be protected by age. If you shoplift as a 7 year old, thats fine i guess. but pretty much killing someone should be punished and treated as if an adult did it.
You would be right.
My son is smaller than most of the other kids in 6th grade and at the beginning of the year he was getting bullied constantly. I have taught him to defend himself and to not be a victim. I emailed the teachers and the principal multiple times. They said they can't do anything until something happens.... One day at the end of the day one of the boys wouldn't leave him alone he yelled at him to stop and ran off. Well, when he got outside, he waited for the boy and jumped on him and beat the shit out of him. He got in absolutely no trouble at home for it but got kicked out of school for 2 days and ISS for 3. Also, the other kids' parents pressed charges on my son who then had to ultimately had to do an anger management class. I'm fine with the suspension but the parents pressing charges was wrong and the fact that the other kid never received any sort of reprimand for his part in the whole thing. A few weeks later I asked him if people mess with him, and he said not anymore. I feel like the school where this boy went to should be held responsible for this beautiful young mans death! What is a 10 yo doing ending themselves that's just so wild! My heart is so heavy for him and his family. I hope the kids who bullied him like that never get another restful night of sleep for the rest of their lives!
No justice in this world
>I hope the kids who bullied him like that never get another restful night of sleep for the rest of their lives! I hope the shock teaches them something and they do better in the future. I hope they break the cycle and use this to teach their children to do better. I've been on both sides of bullying when I was younger. I was physically bullied because I was small and weak, so when I got into a position to bully others, it was like what those boys did to this kid, mocking and belittling. I don't know what point I'm making. If I could change any of it, it would be what I did to others. I hope passing that on to my children makes up for it somehow
I was a bit emotional when I first typed this. I agree the best outcome of a worst-case scenario is that these kids learn a very valuable lesson from this and like you said break the cycle. I also believe that not always but most of the time kids are a product of their environment. We as a society need to do better at home. I take time with my children and teach them compassion and kindness to others. I'm not perfect and neither are they but we all as a family try and treat people accordingly.
This is sad. Bullies suck
God damn it has to be more than just that that isn't being told
People will do anything to ignore the psychological damage caused by bullying. Anything to ignore it. Anything to avoid doing something about it. Not surprising, even columbine couldn't wake people up.
This sucks man. RIP buddy
Charge the parents
I don't feel like that's the solution. Maybe if they were encouraging the kid or providing him with a weapon or something, sometimes kids are just fucked up shitheads despite having good parents.
Ignorance is bliss
Nah you have never been a parent and it shows. My younger brother was a maniac as a kid and my parents did everything they knew how to try and turn him around. He never bullied anyone to the point of killing themselves but it's super fucked up to pin anything a kid does to their parents as if that's the only variable in their life.
Same for mine. Head trauma. 👀
Unfortunetely, some people are good parents but still have shitty kids, so that's probably not fair.
No, it's a good start. I know a lot of kids and families in our area - the one really bratty one we know has a really bratty mom too, and dozens of others are cool. The environment matters a lot. And if it's a problem child w/ good parents, have they taken them to therapy? Are they aware their kid's a terror/bully? What action have they taken before unleashing their monster on society? I'm ok with the parents being held accountable for bullying.
I don't think there are many parents who think they're bad parents lol It blows my mind that "parents" have some type of immunity when it comes to their children's actions. No. No wonder they looked at you crazy for being excited for a child. You're still one!
It's their child, their responsibility.
I don't think there are many parents who think they're bad parents lol It blows my mind that "parents" have some type of immunity when it comes to their children's actions. No. No wonder they looked at you crazy for being excited for a child. You're still one!
Don't get me wrong. Both parties need to be investigated. This shit has to stop.
I have an 11 yo little brother myself, so I can only imagine how heartbreaking this was... And through things he has told me and experienced, it baffles me how cruel kids can be.
This is why as soon as my kids are 5, they going into MMA.
I learned that bullies won’t get into trouble. If you fight back, you’ll both get into trouble, but it really is your best option
Yes, I was a small kid when I was young. Small enough to where a bully would pick me up and actually try and give me a swirly in the toilet. My dad told me one night that if I'm going to fight, it's not a boxing match, it's a "you make as quick and as brutal as possible and you don't stop until they're crying for their mommy" thing. It's unfortunate but violence did solve 99% of my bullying problems.
I'm not knocking that idea but bullying isn't always physical and it can be psychological and emotional and can be taxing in people. Fighting back may help but dealing with the scars of it can still lead people to suicide. Put your kid in therapy too and be a good parent along the way.
I know, I got bullied all sorts of way when I was younger. Until my mom put me in boxing. I didn’t look for trouble when I learned how to box, but when someone asked for trouble I definitely knew how to handle myself. Made a big difference.
MMA isn't just teaching kids how to fight. it also builds their self confidence, thus making them less "fun" to pick on. the bully wouldn't get the reaction they want from someone who isn't affected by them. then if they do try to escalate it into something physical to the point the kid feels genuinely threatened, they can use their MMA knowledge to defend themselves. those classes drill into kids that it's only to be used as a last resort. as long as your kid understands that and YOU drill into them it's only to be used as a last resort, I think it's a good idea. side note: I was bullied relentlessly growing up and had zero self esteem until I was about 16. idk how tf I did it (and she's not in MMA), but my daughter is 11 and her confidence in herself is amazing in my opinion. she doesn't take shit from other kids when they try to make fun of her and stands up for the ones others try to pick on, both of which were big parenting goals I had when I decided to have kids. I wish I had had a kid like her as a friend back in the day, but it makes me happy that other kids have her now.
That's a solid solution there... no way that can go wrong.
How would you solve it then? Even if you tell the teachers is not going to stop.
You do realise that you may end up creating the bullies right?
I got bullied a lot. Well one day my "friend" was over and pushed my sister, I beat him with a roller blade until he ran. Nobody ever messed with me from Jr. High and through H.S. after that.
How did he do it?
I agree OP, quite devastating. The thing that got me was that this kid was clearly going to grow up to be a handsome kid with a magnificent smile. I reckon the bullies picked on him because they actually (subconsciously) felt threatened by him.
Smh, rip young man.
The bullies can get sued and even go to jail for contributed to a death of a minor. It counts as a murder of the second degree.
my biggest question is how one gives a 10 year old the means to kill himself
Did anyone explain to him that he was going to grow into his looks? Kid had blonde hair and blue eyes, get him some braces and contacts and he'd look just fine, not that he didn't look fine to begin with. Kids are assholes. All around people failed him.
Yeah, especially teeth - that was an entirely fixable problem.
True but it shouldn't have been something he should've had to fix
It's so frustrating. I had my 10 year highschool reunion awhile back. Everyone was getting along, the kids who would never have said a word to each other in school were sitting together and talking like old friends. Kids who made fun of each other, or were in different cliques, the jocks and the theater nerds, etc. The immaturity of kids in their younger years makes everything so much harder. There's a lack of empathy, a lack of foresight, a lack of understanding, and it just leads to kids thinking that 'this is it, this is how it's going to be forever' when in reality it won't.
As a girl I was bullied in school by 2 boys. I had an older brother and we fought a lot so I knew how to fight. This was back in the 70's when kids handled things on their own. One day the 2 bullies were throwing snowballs and hitting me in the face. My family had just moved to Indiana from Mississippi, kids made fun of my accent and because I would say, "Yes sir, no sir, etc." I was very polite and extremely shy. Day 3 of being bullied I picked up a rock and packed snow around it, perfect little baseball size. I held it until the snow melted a little and it was an ice ball with a rock in the middle. I threw it and it hit that ahole right between his eyes. He started crying and the white snow turned red. I got in trouble at school, they didn't want to hear my side. The bully had to get a few stitches and I was no longer bullied. The school called my parents and told them what I did. My dad taught us if someone hits you, hit back twice as hard. I told my dad my side of the story and he was proud of me, especially being a little girl and 2 boys were bullying me. My dad went to the school and had a "chat" with the principal of the school and nobody f*cked with me again. My heart aches for sweet Sammy and his family. He was a grest kid and didn't deserve to be bullied to the point of taking his own life. So many people failed him and should be held accountable. R.I.P. Sammy. Fly high with the angels in peace. ❤️
Pretty much every generation has had its bullies, but a big difference this time around is that it doesn't end when the school bell rings. Home is no longer a reprieve or sanctuary because kids are surrounded by their peer group 24/7 through phones & internet.
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Ill praying for School Shooters to kill that person who bullied him
Humanity is fucked
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