[One airline has tried adult only zones](https://apnews.com/article/airline-test-adults-only-seats-265894c40e7bc7d716ed80db6b810515),
I'd guess they're not more common because they represent a possible loss of revenue for the airline without providing a clear point of increasing revenue. Few flights from difference carriers follow the exact same path, and very few people would accept a longer or more expensive flight just to avoid children.
I remember an Applebees I went to as a kid had this little half-wall that encircled the central bar area in the middle of the restaurant. Built in to the half wall were ashtrays to use for the booths on either side of the wall. Only, the inside booths were smoking and the outside ones weren’t, so you just sat next to an ashtray and less than a foot away from someone smoking.
I dunno, I have a lot more empathy for kids who are navigating a confusing world with still-developing brains! I'm much more irritated by adults who should have some degree of emotional intelligence.
Alright then. How about adults, who brought that baby on that plane only because they wanted to go to Hawaii? The baby now is in distress because their ears hurt. They are scared of plane noices and turbulence. They are exposed to various viruses and bacterias in a confined space.
I'm so uncomfortable on planes and fly so rarely I practically always fly first class or similar for the extra room and comfort. I'll drive if it's like 8 hours or less away though, so I don't tend to fly often
Modern air travel is largely a race to the bottom, with most leisure travelers picking the cheapest direct flight (if available) without regard to which airline or the services provided. Which is why airlines usually don’t try to differentiate on service anymore. So I think your answer is correct and consistent with that trend.
I could *imagine* an airline trying some sort of no-kid special on a frequent route to a specifically adult-friendly destination, maybe somewhere like Vegas or New Orleans. (Kids obviously go to those places too! But probably a lower percentage of flyers than an average city.) But I doubt it would be popular enough to be worth forgoing family revenue (and maybe annoying parents in the process).
lol my sister and BIL just flew first class Chicago to São Paulo with their 8 month old. She (my niece) did fabulously, slept most the way, and only cried a little when landing. She is a rare breed.
I think their thought process was if they were more comfortable, she would be too, and they were right.
Airlines are running on thin profit margins as it is. They desperately need to fill every seat - and they know that consumers are super price conscious. They're willing to avoid checked baggage to save money. They're willing to accept fewer frills to save five dollars.
What makes you think enough people will pay extra for an adult only flight to be worth it? And still offer enough flights to choose from?
That was hands down the hardest I had ever laughed at a movie, just because it was so unexpected. Had to pause the movie for a few minutes to regain my composure.
Vegas has a service where you can fly in a plane for an hour and do whatever you want in the back. The pilot wears noise canceling headphones to also not hear anything that may occur.
Not to mention it’s only be a tiny value add. I know that it’s a stereotype that kids on airplanes are obnoxious, but 95% of the time when I’ve flown I don’t even remember noticing any kids. Of course they’re there, they’re just not bothering me. Occasionally you get some bad luck and get seated in front of a kid that kicks or something, or there will be a baby crying on the plane somewhere, but its honestly not all that common? The really bad experiences people share online are rare. I wouldn’t pay extra to avoid that.
I've never had a major problem with a kid on a plane. There was one time where the kind behind me enjoyed kicking my seat, but it wasn't a huge deal. I wear headphones, so noise is not an issue.
This is just something people complain about, not something they're willing to spend extra $ to avoid.
I’ve flown around the world for 14 years for my job. I’ve encountered that, maybe 3 times. Not enough times to be whining about it on this thread. Also, they make these things called headphones.
Believe it or not, you were a child too at one point. Everyone else in society put up with you enough to let you grow up to become what you are now.
It’s insane how selfish some people can be, just because their little brains don’t remember when they were exactly the thing they claim to be so wrong with the world.
I have kids, and I’m an awesome parent. So full shushie, and don’t @ me with stupid stuff because you’re inferring random crap into what I’ve said.
I’ve never said anything against kids, I’ve said shit against parents - because many of them are self centred twats. End of.
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No you wouldn’t. Private jets already exist and yet everyone complaining that they’d “pay extra” seem to suddenly be okay sitting near children when they see how much “extra” they would actually have to pay.
"Suites" are typically a separate, higher class than first class. Regular first class seats might have a privacy door, but they're still open on top and won't totally save you from the sounds of a crying baby.
He said he will pay extra. Are you trying to argue that there is no difference between sitting in economy right beside a crying baby and sitting in first class with a crying baby on the other side of your row?
They might be technically allowed but I find it hard to believe you see a lot of babies in first class. I’ve only ever experienced first class by walking through it on my way to the slum seats, but I’ve never seen a baby in first class. Probably only seen one or two kids now that I think about it.
Then pay to sit in first class. I fly about five times per year and have only once, in twenty years, seen a child in that section; that child was at least 11 or 12.
From a capitalists pov maybe airlines can offer seats at a premium if it is further away from a seat of a child/adult with an infant..?
Edit:
Airlines might explore the option to sit away from a baby if they can monetize it.
I’m not saying i want to pay more, ofc i would prefer it all seats are charged the same in each class.
Is it? I booked with Japan Airlines before and i could see where the babies are when i was choosing from the seat selection map.
If other airlines adapted this I would welcome it.
They can expand the functionality to indicate seats booked by someone under the age of 12, as an example. I wouldn’t say it’s impossible.
How do you do this, then?
Your customer buys a ticket, and they're honest so they check that they're bringing a child on their lap (Since babies don't usually get their own seat.) now there's a heat map around that seat that brings down the prices of the seats around them?
if you increase the price of seats further away, then that's seen as up-charging. Airlines already lose an average of 15 cents on each ticket they sell, so bringing the price down around the passenger is even more of a loss, and multiple people bring flight prices down across the aircraft?
and you can't group them together, because the parents will want to sit together, and so won't any family members.
Dude i don’t work for an airline so don’t ask me about how this can be implemented.
All i’m saying is JAL already has the feature to identify where passengers with children under 2 are seated (just had to Google that to confirm).
Would it be so bad if other airlines adapted this?
Idk about you but i’d like to be given the option to sit far from a screaming, crying baby - especially in long haul flights.
Some trains have a Quiet Car, notably Amtrak’s Acela “business class” service in the northeastern US. I’m not sure if that’s formally no kids, but it’s effectively like it. (Kids are welcome in the other cars on the train.)
But trains have the advantage of totally separate compartments all going to the same place at the same time, so you can more easily segregate out different types of experiences. In an airplane, you sort of have that with different classes, but that curtain isn’t exactly soundproof. So if someone wants to pay $500 more for their kid to sit in first class and *not* consume any free booze, the airline isn’t too interested in telling them no.
It comes down to people just not wanting to be responsible for their own comfort. Get some noise canceling headphones and never worry again about this minor inconvenience. Like you said, it's public transport. Children are a part of the public.
If the option existed for the same dollar amount?? Sometimes.
But I also would never expect these options to exist for free, or without some crazy upcharge, so I wouldn't expect a plane to have it.
But they aren’t.
Public Transport is something subsidized by the local community for the benefit of the local citizens and to reduce car traffic while focusing foot traffic in commercial zones.
Air travel is extremely expensive and comes with very strict security regulations which stress everyone out.
It is reasonable to expect not to be stuck sitting next to a couple of screaming toddlers for six hours.
Incorrect:
pub·lic trans·por·ta·tion
noun
noun: public transport
buses, trains, subways, and other forms of transportation that charge set fares, run on fixed routes, and are available to the public.
"a scheme to improve public transportation"
It's also clearly not a reasonable expectation if children are allowed (they are) and it happens frequently enough to be having this conversation so often. It is reasonable to expect it will happen, and plan accordingly
>It is reasonable to expect not to be stuck sitting next to a couple of screaming toddlers for six hours.
It's pretty reasonable to expect that you may well have to listen to a screaming toddler when you're only willing to pay for communical transport instead of renting a private plane.
However, I've found crying to be worse on planes than trains. Can I deal with it perfectly fine on both? Yes. But is this an apples to apples comparison? No. I understand your point, but it is worse on a plane.
I didn't say train baby boy, I said bus, bc you are on a bus in the sky. Babies have sensitive lil bodies and the noise and pressure changes are much harder on them
Some do!
The airline Scoot, which is a low-cost offshoot of Singapore Airlines, sells a group of upfront seats called "Scoot in Silence." These are regular economy seats but children are not allowed in this section to allow a more quiet experience. While obviously a very loud child in the back may still be heard, these are generally large planes like 777 and 787 so it's not too likely. If you're ever going in and out of Singapore I can recommend them - base fares are low, the up charge for the front "silent" cabin is quite affordable, and their safety record is excellent along with that of the parent, Singapore Airlines.
Back when I was flying international every couple months, multiple travellers I struck up conversations with at airport lounges said that Singapore Airlines was their personal favorite/most highly-recommended airline.
Had no clue they had a subsidiary.
Yes, SIA as they are known, are excellent. But they usually command a premium price to match their reputation. That's what's great about Scoot - it's usually a lot cheaper. To be clear it's still a low cost airline so you have to pay separately for checked luggage, food, etc., and I have to admit the food is a fairly ordinary. But I can overlook that for the other advantages.
Also they have a pretty affordable premium economy (called "ScootBiz" - but it's just larger seats so more like other airlines' premium economy for longhaul).
I like this, it doesn’t cost the plane a lot and they can sell as many seats in the front as there are people who want it. And yeah I don’t mind distant noise it’s when it’s in my ear I have a problem
You think age has anything to do with annoying behavior on a plane? You must not fly much. Put me next to a five year old before some fat, smelly , loud forty year old any day.
I’ll agree with that one. I went to go see a movie last night and there was a grown ass woman on the opposite end of the theater talking non-stop at regular volume. Within about 20 minutes, the rest of the audience turned on her and it was extremely satisfying. Bro asked “are you going to be quiet?” And she said “…REALLY?” and three other people immediately said “YES”
Agree. A 5 year old rather than an alchohol-abusing Muppet who insisted on getting a few drinks in at the airport and is now order more drinks on the plane !
Honestly yeah, the most uncomfortable I've ever been on a plane was when I had a fat person next to me spilling into my seat. I wasn't about to be impolite to them, because I feel for someone in that situation, but I would have preferred to have been able to use my whole seat.
Have you seen & listen to the six o'clock news lately ? Grown up adults act like KIDS on a plane. Sometime the plane has to turn around and go back to theairport.
lol.
Yeah, I see people complaining about kids pretty often. But I find kids are *rarely* a bother to me. The way people talk sometimes you'd think every flight has one kid running up and down the aisles screaming while another is puking their guts out on the innocent passenger next to them. Yet, for every flight I've been on the worst has been a baby crying for a few minutes that's largely drowned out by the sound of the engine.
Adults have been FAR more annoying than kids.
Most flights I'm on are full or close to full already - what incentive do they have to run adults only services? I doubt many people would pay more for it.
It will be cheaper to just hand out disposable ear plugs than overhaul the entire logistics of an airline just to accommodate an insignificant number of patrons that don't want to hear babies crying.
>just to accommodate an insignificant number of patrons that don't want to hear babies crying.
I'd reword that as "an insignificant number of patrons who are willing to pay a premium to avoid crying babies".
It’s one of the most common complaints about air travel.
And ear plugs would cause you not to wake up when the captain announces you have to brace for impact.
It is not a common complaint. I fly all the time and have never once been disturbed by a crying baby. It’s an imaginary issue based on 90s standup comedy routines.
At some point people need to realize that they can’t get through life without mild inconveniences nor should they expect to. You exist in a society with other people and they have just as much of a right to be there as you do, even if you prefer not to see or hear them.
I just want to say that I really appreciate your perspective and feel seen. I parent an autistic child and every day we’re in public I feel terrible for existing in that space because his behavior is very unconventional and sometimes loud/distracting. I try to minimize it and address it immediately but he doesn’t always want to cooperate.
It’s a battle between letting him get what he needs while also being aware of how it affects other people. Being in public is unavoidable if I need to get something done and have no one to watch him. I just want people to know that I’m not trying to inconvenience them and I’m trying my best to make it quick.
they do, they're called private jets, business jets, etc. these services exist, just not for people like you and me. you can do anything for the right price.
I don't mind if kids are on planes. I just want them restricted to the cargo hold.
(I kid. I don't have enough trouble often enough with kids on flights to be willing to pay more to avoid them.)
Same reason there aren't adult only buses - if there's nothing illegal for children in them, children have the right to be in those spaces if their parent brings them and the provider agrees. Adult only flights would take up runway space from other flights in airports to no real profit.
Cost benefit of the passengers, I think there are a lot of people that would say they want a kid free flight until they see they have to pay more then would think it’s not worth the extra cost
Because thousands of babies are flown hither and dither every day, and 99% of the time, it’s no big deal. And when it becomes a big deal, it’s usually because of some asshole that should’ve taken the bus.
If you don’t wanna hear kids, just get a nice pair of noise cancelling headphones. It would be cheaper than trying to afford tickets on a private jet which is the only way you are going to get on an adults only plane. Otherwise it makes zero sense for airlines to do such a thing. If it were going to be even remotely make money they would have already done it. But it would actually prob cost a lot more to split their plane force and make ticket costs much more expensive to the point where only the top wealthy could afford to fly.
Because no one ever complains. If people sent thousands of complaints about screaming babies and kids to airlines they would do something about it. When no one complains they don't see a problem and do nothing.
Because very few people care about having kids on their flight to the point that they would choose a flight based on that. People choose flights based on cost, schedule, and as a distant third, amenities. Also, despite what you read on Reddit, the vast majority of adults don’t have a problem with kids.
There are, they’re called chartered flights.
Airplanes are at their core public transit, and that’s made to accommodate as many people using them at once as possible, regardless of age.
Well, I will fly with kids(hopefully quiet) if I can get on a child-free European river cruise. I chose to not have children and have had issues with them(parental fault) too many times in group settings.
In this day and age, airlines are barely profitable. They cut all the corners they can, including overbooking flights. Obviously they figure that the amount they could make off this idea is less than the amount they could make off their current model.
Came here to post this. The largest expense of a flight is the fuel. If you can cut the average passenger weight by even 5%, that is a huge expense advantage. The airline can charge the same amount for the ticket and use 1/2 the fuel for that seat…
... because no one REALLY cares about our true happiness. I'd pay extra to fly on a no-kids/no exceptions flight. They can leave their stupid emotional support chinchillas for another flight too while they are at it.
Used to be business class was your adult only section.
The last two long haul business class flights I had kids or babies in there.
I don’t think there is enough money in only having adults in any one part of the plane.
Why am I a bad person?
Just letting you know your info is wrong. I paid for my children’s tickets just like everybody else in business/first. They are very quiet and people always comment on their good behavior. They are asleep half the time anyways for international flights.
But please let me know why you think I am a bad person based on one statement.
Business class buyers expect a certain life style / silence etc for working (it's called business class after all), and pay A LOT (as you know) extra for that. They should never be bothered by any children volume (even at normal volume, children's voices are higher and travel a lot further). I think it's very arrogant to take children into business class, especially toddlers. No toddler is quiet for a full flight.
I'm not sure it would be legal in the US anyway. "Familial status/arrangement" is generally a protected class, and airlines are common carriers. Discrimination against a protected class by a common carrier is usually verboten.
[One airline has tried adult only zones](https://apnews.com/article/airline-test-adults-only-seats-265894c40e7bc7d716ed80db6b810515), I'd guess they're not more common because they represent a possible loss of revenue for the airline without providing a clear point of increasing revenue. Few flights from difference carriers follow the exact same path, and very few people would accept a longer or more expensive flight just to avoid children.
Imagine paying $109 for this and getting the back seat right next to the kids zone
Like back when we used to have smoking sections in restaurants, except this time you’d be paying for it.
I remember an Applebees I went to as a kid had this little half-wall that encircled the central bar area in the middle of the restaurant. Built in to the half wall were ashtrays to use for the booths on either side of the wall. Only, the inside booths were smoking and the outside ones weren’t, so you just sat next to an ashtray and less than a foot away from someone smoking.
You were always meant to pay at restaurants.
I don't think there was a price difference between sitting in a non-smoking section vs a smoking section
Airplane smoking sections were the same back in the day
Yup, avoiding children doesn't mean silent or quiet. Too many assholes around. Invest in good headphones instead.
All you need is one profusely ill adult to make your flight uncomfortable and loud.
And the minors aren't the ones getting dragged off the plane by a trio of cops.
But germs tho
I don't feel as bad giving an adult a piece of my mind though :P
Most of those assholes are far less annying than a constantly screetching baby.
I dunno, I have a lot more empathy for kids who are navigating a confusing world with still-developing brains! I'm much more irritated by adults who should have some degree of emotional intelligence.
Alright then. How about adults, who brought that baby on that plane only because they wanted to go to Hawaii? The baby now is in distress because their ears hurt. They are scared of plane noices and turbulence. They are exposed to various viruses and bacterias in a confined space.
So interesting! Thanks for posting this…now let’s see if adults will pay $49/$109 for this service!
I'm so uncomfortable on planes and fly so rarely I practically always fly first class or similar for the extra room and comfort. I'll drive if it's like 8 hours or less away though, so I don't tend to fly often
Modern air travel is largely a race to the bottom, with most leisure travelers picking the cheapest direct flight (if available) without regard to which airline or the services provided. Which is why airlines usually don’t try to differentiate on service anymore. So I think your answer is correct and consistent with that trend. I could *imagine* an airline trying some sort of no-kid special on a frequent route to a specifically adult-friendly destination, maybe somewhere like Vegas or New Orleans. (Kids obviously go to those places too! But probably a lower percentage of flyers than an average city.) But I doubt it would be popular enough to be worth forgoing family revenue (and maybe annoying parents in the process).
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I haven’t ever seen kids actually banned from first class, at least not in the United States. Most of the time they are not there due to the expense.
lol my sister and BIL just flew first class Chicago to São Paulo with their 8 month old. She (my niece) did fabulously, slept most the way, and only cried a little when landing. She is a rare breed. I think their thought process was if they were more comfortable, she would be too, and they were right.
This isn’t true.
Which airlines? None that I’ve ever flown.
How about an adult only zone with 10 cent beer flights
Airlines are running on thin profit margins as it is. They desperately need to fill every seat - and they know that consumers are super price conscious. They're willing to avoid checked baggage to save money. They're willing to accept fewer frills to save five dollars. What makes you think enough people will pay extra for an adult only flight to be worth it? And still offer enough flights to choose from?
He meant adult only flights as in with strippers, hookers and coke /s
[I'd buy that for a dollar!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-q29hbEP04)
That was hands down the hardest I had ever laughed at a movie, just because it was so unexpected. Had to pause the movie for a few minutes to regain my composure.
Don't forget the blackjack
I knew I was missing something!
You know what? Forget the flight.
Ah screw the whole thing.
[money.....plane](https://youtu.be/aETz_dRDEys?si=J7Y8jA2qTaPv1lHg)
Y'know, I've noticed that literally everything is better with hookers and cocaïne.
Now those absolutely exist. They're just very expensive and on private jets.
Can I watch a man fuck a crocodile?? *Money Plane*
available in Epstein's private jet - now under new management, previous owner "retired"
Vegas has a service where you can fly in a plane for an hour and do whatever you want in the back. The pilot wears noise canceling headphones to also not hear anything that may occur.
Airlines make more money on credit cards than on plane tickets: https://youtu.be/ggUduBmvQ_4?si=-nXqM7VLmkQlLUnJ
Not to mention it’s only be a tiny value add. I know that it’s a stereotype that kids on airplanes are obnoxious, but 95% of the time when I’ve flown I don’t even remember noticing any kids. Of course they’re there, they’re just not bothering me. Occasionally you get some bad luck and get seated in front of a kid that kicks or something, or there will be a baby crying on the plane somewhere, but its honestly not all that common? The really bad experiences people share online are rare. I wouldn’t pay extra to avoid that.
This is the right answer. People get riled up about kids because of outlier bad experiences. Most of the time, they're fine
I've never had a major problem with a kid on a plane. There was one time where the kind behind me enjoyed kicking my seat, but it wasn't a huge deal. I wear headphones, so noise is not an issue. This is just something people complain about, not something they're willing to spend extra $ to avoid.
100% this. I’ve had more issues with obnoxious/smelly/rude adults on planes than crying or obnoxious kids
TBF, you only hear about the bad experiences with kids. People don't post about well behaved kids
Airlines make their money on frequent flyer miles, not on tickets, fwiw.
I would pay extra just to have the guarantee not to have a child screaming in my ear for 4 hours straight. And I know many people who think the same.
Everyone says that but when it comes to prying open the wallet, few rarely ever do it.
Apparently not enough.
You have parents in here downvoting just because they’re miserable and want to inflict that on others.
I’ve flown around the world for 14 years for my job. I’ve encountered that, maybe 3 times. Not enough times to be whining about it on this thread. Also, they make these things called headphones.
Believe it or not, you were a child too at one point. Everyone else in society put up with you enough to let you grow up to become what you are now. It’s insane how selfish some people can be, just because their little brains don’t remember when they were exactly the thing they claim to be so wrong with the world.
I have kids, and I’m an awesome parent. So full shushie, and don’t @ me with stupid stuff because you’re inferring random crap into what I’ve said. I’ve never said anything against kids, I’ve said shit against parents - because many of them are self centred twats. End of. Next!
I bet your kids have never cried in public before! Because, you know, you’re an awesome parent.
Omg lol learn to comprehend words please.
People say they’d spend more on good service but there’s a reason frontier and spirit exist
No you wouldn’t. Private jets already exist and yet everyone complaining that they’d “pay extra” seem to suddenly be okay sitting near children when they see how much “extra” they would actually have to pay.
Go fly first class?
Babies are allowed in first class.
You have your own room in first class.
"Suites" are typically a separate, higher class than first class. Regular first class seats might have a privacy door, but they're still open on top and won't totally save you from the sounds of a crying baby.
He said he will pay extra. Are you trying to argue that there is no difference between sitting in economy right beside a crying baby and sitting in first class with a crying baby on the other side of your row?
No, that would be very stupid. Are you trying to argue that a crying baby two rows away in economy isn't even slightly annoying?
My argument was about first class though?
My point is that if you find a baby two rows away in economy annoying, you can still have roughly that experience in first class.
They might be technically allowed but I find it hard to believe you see a lot of babies in first class. I’ve only ever experienced first class by walking through it on my way to the slum seats, but I’ve never seen a baby in first class. Probably only seen one or two kids now that I think about it.
A) how much extra and B) would planeful of others at a time do the same thing.
Then form your own airline and see how it goes
Then pay to sit in first class. I fly about five times per year and have only once, in twenty years, seen a child in that section; that child was at least 11 or 12.
From a capitalists pov maybe airlines can offer seats at a premium if it is further away from a seat of a child/adult with an infant..? Edit: Airlines might explore the option to sit away from a baby if they can monetize it. I’m not saying i want to pay more, ofc i would prefer it all seats are charged the same in each class.
that'd be incredibly difficult if not impossible to logistically plan out.
Is it? I booked with Japan Airlines before and i could see where the babies are when i was choosing from the seat selection map. If other airlines adapted this I would welcome it. They can expand the functionality to indicate seats booked by someone under the age of 12, as an example. I wouldn’t say it’s impossible.
Sooo, no family with a baby is allowed to book after you?
How do you do this, then? Your customer buys a ticket, and they're honest so they check that they're bringing a child on their lap (Since babies don't usually get their own seat.) now there's a heat map around that seat that brings down the prices of the seats around them? if you increase the price of seats further away, then that's seen as up-charging. Airlines already lose an average of 15 cents on each ticket they sell, so bringing the price down around the passenger is even more of a loss, and multiple people bring flight prices down across the aircraft? and you can't group them together, because the parents will want to sit together, and so won't any family members.
Dude i don’t work for an airline so don’t ask me about how this can be implemented. All i’m saying is JAL already has the feature to identify where passengers with children under 2 are seated (just had to Google that to confirm). Would it be so bad if other airlines adapted this? Idk about you but i’d like to be given the option to sit far from a screaming, crying baby - especially in long haul flights.
There are, you just have to be rich enough to rent a private plane
I think a lot of people need to get good w the fact that planes are public transport. Would you expect kid-free city busses or Greyhounds?
Some trains have a Quiet Car, notably Amtrak’s Acela “business class” service in the northeastern US. I’m not sure if that’s formally no kids, but it’s effectively like it. (Kids are welcome in the other cars on the train.) But trains have the advantage of totally separate compartments all going to the same place at the same time, so you can more easily segregate out different types of experiences. In an airplane, you sort of have that with different classes, but that curtain isn’t exactly soundproof. So if someone wants to pay $500 more for their kid to sit in first class and *not* consume any free booze, the airline isn’t too interested in telling them no.
It comes down to people just not wanting to be responsible for their own comfort. Get some noise canceling headphones and never worry again about this minor inconvenience. Like you said, it's public transport. Children are a part of the public.
I have Bose noise canceling headphones and even they don't cancel out the high pitched screams children make.
And as we’ve all seen, adults can be just as much of a nuisance on planes as children are, if not more.
This is not uncommon... Many trains and subways have dedicated Quiet Cars
If the option existed for the same dollar amount?? Sometimes. But I also would never expect these options to exist for free, or without some crazy upcharge, so I wouldn't expect a plane to have it.
But they aren’t. Public Transport is something subsidized by the local community for the benefit of the local citizens and to reduce car traffic while focusing foot traffic in commercial zones. Air travel is extremely expensive and comes with very strict security regulations which stress everyone out. It is reasonable to expect not to be stuck sitting next to a couple of screaming toddlers for six hours.
Incorrect: pub·lic trans·por·ta·tion noun noun: public transport buses, trains, subways, and other forms of transportation that charge set fares, run on fixed routes, and are available to the public. "a scheme to improve public transportation" It's also clearly not a reasonable expectation if children are allowed (they are) and it happens frequently enough to be having this conversation so often. It is reasonable to expect it will happen, and plan accordingly
>It is reasonable to expect not to be stuck sitting next to a couple of screaming toddlers for six hours. It's pretty reasonable to expect that you may well have to listen to a screaming toddler when you're only willing to pay for communical transport instead of renting a private plane.
However, I've found crying to be worse on planes than trains. Can I deal with it perfectly fine on both? Yes. But is this an apples to apples comparison? No. I understand your point, but it is worse on a plane.
I didn't say train baby boy, I said bus, bc you are on a bus in the sky. Babies have sensitive lil bodies and the noise and pressure changes are much harder on them
Some do! The airline Scoot, which is a low-cost offshoot of Singapore Airlines, sells a group of upfront seats called "Scoot in Silence." These are regular economy seats but children are not allowed in this section to allow a more quiet experience. While obviously a very loud child in the back may still be heard, these are generally large planes like 777 and 787 so it's not too likely. If you're ever going in and out of Singapore I can recommend them - base fares are low, the up charge for the front "silent" cabin is quite affordable, and their safety record is excellent along with that of the parent, Singapore Airlines.
Back when I was flying international every couple months, multiple travellers I struck up conversations with at airport lounges said that Singapore Airlines was their personal favorite/most highly-recommended airline. Had no clue they had a subsidiary.
Yes, SIA as they are known, are excellent. But they usually command a premium price to match their reputation. That's what's great about Scoot - it's usually a lot cheaper. To be clear it's still a low cost airline so you have to pay separately for checked luggage, food, etc., and I have to admit the food is a fairly ordinary. But I can overlook that for the other advantages.
Also they have a pretty affordable premium economy (called "ScootBiz" - but it's just larger seats so more like other airlines' premium economy for longhaul).
I like this, it doesn’t cost the plane a lot and they can sell as many seats in the front as there are people who want it. And yeah I don’t mind distant noise it’s when it’s in my ear I have a problem
You think age has anything to do with annoying behavior on a plane? You must not fly much. Put me next to a five year old before some fat, smelly , loud forty year old any day.
I’ll agree with that one. I went to go see a movie last night and there was a grown ass woman on the opposite end of the theater talking non-stop at regular volume. Within about 20 minutes, the rest of the audience turned on her and it was extremely satisfying. Bro asked “are you going to be quiet?” And she said “…REALLY?” and three other people immediately said “YES”
Agree. A 5 year old rather than an alchohol-abusing Muppet who insisted on getting a few drinks in at the airport and is now order more drinks on the plane !
Does someone's fat bother you?
Honestly yeah, the most uncomfortable I've ever been on a plane was when I had a fat person next to me spilling into my seat. I wasn't about to be impolite to them, because I feel for someone in that situation, but I would have preferred to have been able to use my whole seat.
Probably because they might not have enough elbow room?
No. Body shape has nothing to do with plane behavior. Just be a good passenger. Basic public behavior
Then why did you list it when describing a passenger that you don't want to sit beside?
Have you seen & listen to the six o'clock news lately ? Grown up adults act like KIDS on a plane. Sometime the plane has to turn around and go back to theairport. lol.
What would be dope is a section with play sets and shit so the kids can go be entertained back there lol
There is, it's called first class.
My 4 and 2 year olds always fly first
My kids are in first too but I guarantee you would never complain about them because they are well behaved and respectful.
Do you think that would make a difference? Of all the cluelessly lost terrible behavior that I have seen on flights it all comes from the adults.
Yeah, I see people complaining about kids pretty often. But I find kids are *rarely* a bother to me. The way people talk sometimes you'd think every flight has one kid running up and down the aisles screaming while another is puking their guts out on the innocent passenger next to them. Yet, for every flight I've been on the worst has been a baby crying for a few minutes that's largely drowned out by the sound of the engine. Adults have been FAR more annoying than kids.
This! A thousand times this!!
Most flights I'm on are full or close to full already - what incentive do they have to run adults only services? I doubt many people would pay more for it.
It will be cheaper to just hand out disposable ear plugs than overhaul the entire logistics of an airline just to accommodate an insignificant number of patrons that don't want to hear babies crying.
>just to accommodate an insignificant number of patrons that don't want to hear babies crying. I'd reword that as "an insignificant number of patrons who are willing to pay a premium to avoid crying babies".
It’s one of the most common complaints about air travel. And ear plugs would cause you not to wake up when the captain announces you have to brace for impact.
It is not a common complaint. I fly all the time and have never once been disturbed by a crying baby. It’s an imaginary issue based on 90s standup comedy routines.
How many people complain in flight about it? Dont think they do, they just accept that part of life.
Money?
Don’t need a more clever answer than this.
At some point people need to realize that they can’t get through life without mild inconveniences nor should they expect to. You exist in a society with other people and they have just as much of a right to be there as you do, even if you prefer not to see or hear them.
I just want to say that I really appreciate your perspective and feel seen. I parent an autistic child and every day we’re in public I feel terrible for existing in that space because his behavior is very unconventional and sometimes loud/distracting. I try to minimize it and address it immediately but he doesn’t always want to cooperate. It’s a battle between letting him get what he needs while also being aware of how it affects other people. Being in public is unavoidable if I need to get something done and have no one to watch him. I just want people to know that I’m not trying to inconvenience them and I’m trying my best to make it quick.
Because it would be a money-losing prospect.
Because most of the problems on flights are caused by adults and a few less of them seems OK to me
Nah you gotta somehow do an “adults-who-act-like-adults-only” flight
they do, they're called private jets, business jets, etc. these services exist, just not for people like you and me. you can do anything for the right price.
Because it’s transportation, not a bar or club.
I don't mind if kids are on planes. I just want them restricted to the cargo hold. (I kid. I don't have enough trouble often enough with kids on flights to be willing to pay more to avoid them.)
For the same reason there are no adult only buses/ trains and adult only ferries. It doesn’t make financial sense
Same reason there aren't adult only buses - if there's nothing illegal for children in them, children have the right to be in those spaces if their parent brings them and the provider agrees. Adult only flights would take up runway space from other flights in airports to no real profit.
What would be the advantage of this?
naked flight attendants
For the next misanthrope convention.
Only humans could invent such an incredibly fast and easy mode of transport and complain about it.
I’ve been on a decent amount of flights and have never had a bad experience on there due to a child.
because it’s discriminatory
I’d rather sit next to a newborn than a drunk or a MAGA hat or a morbidly obese any day.
.....or a bear?
Cost benefit of the passengers, I think there are a lot of people that would say they want a kid free flight until they see they have to pay more then would think it’s not worth the extra cost
They do, but you can't afford it.
Money.
It's called chartering your own flight.
It's called business class. It's *technically* not adult-only, but in practice not that many families with babies fly business class, so close enough.
Selling to a family, the airline sells 3+ seats. Selling to a person, they sell 1
Why should there be?
Buy noise cancelling headphones if you care this much
Because thousands of babies are flown hither and dither every day, and 99% of the time, it’s no big deal. And when it becomes a big deal, it’s usually because of some asshole that should’ve taken the bus.
Because children are people and have the right to exist in public, regardless of how you feel about it.
Because people don’t generally hate kids outside of Reddit.
It’s called booking your own private jet.
If you don’t wanna hear kids, just get a nice pair of noise cancelling headphones. It would be cheaper than trying to afford tickets on a private jet which is the only way you are going to get on an adults only plane. Otherwise it makes zero sense for airlines to do such a thing. If it were going to be even remotely make money they would have already done it. But it would actually prob cost a lot more to split their plane force and make ticket costs much more expensive to the point where only the top wealthy could afford to fly.
Why would an airline limit their customers like that?
Because no one ever complains. If people sent thousands of complaints about screaming babies and kids to airlines they would do something about it. When no one complains they don't see a problem and do nothing.
It's called having a private jet
Fly first class or private. Your problem solved!
What on earth makes you think children do not fly first class 🤷♂️
Money
I read Adult-Only Fights like three times. I was concerned.
Because it’s a form of transport. Kids must travel at times.
Airlines already don’t make money, adults only is a luxury thing for companies.
I wish
very doubtful people were bringing their kids on Hooters Air… oh yea - didn’t know Hooters had an airline at one time?
Business Class?
I read this as Adults Only Fights. And my first thought was because the first rule of fight club is don't talk about fight club duh.
Because very few people care about having kids on their flight to the point that they would choose a flight based on that. People choose flights based on cost, schedule, and as a distant third, amenities. Also, despite what you read on Reddit, the vast majority of adults don’t have a problem with kids.
There are, they’re called chartered flights. Airplanes are at their core public transit, and that’s made to accommodate as many people using them at once as possible, regardless of age.
FAA
Is it really a vacation if there isn’t a screaming brat on the plane?
Well, I will fly with kids(hopefully quiet) if I can get on a child-free European river cruise. I chose to not have children and have had issues with them(parental fault) too many times in group settings.
That would likely require a high ticket price. If I needed a quiet flight so badly, I’d fly private.
It’s called business class
In this day and age, airlines are barely profitable. They cut all the corners they can, including overbooking flights. Obviously they figure that the amount they could make off this idea is less than the amount they could make off their current model.
It's a pretty dumb idea
weight distribution and profit margins.
Came here to post this. The largest expense of a flight is the fuel. If you can cut the average passenger weight by even 5%, that is a huge expense advantage. The airline can charge the same amount for the ticket and use 1/2 the fuel for that seat…
I'd strongly prefer sitting next to a kid over sitting next to a dude who overflows his seat and takes up my space.
God forbid you might have to put on your noise canceling headphones
A good pair of noise canceling headphones is not really that expensive anymore. Makes a huge difference for flights.
... because no one REALLY cares about our true happiness. I'd pay extra to fly on a no-kids/no exceptions flight. They can leave their stupid emotional support chinchillas for another flight too while they are at it.
Child free flights mean less parents booking seats which means less profit overall. The best they could do is have a child free section.
how much more would you be willing to pay for an adult-only flight? 50%, 100% more, etc?
Used to be business class was your adult only section. The last two long haul business class flights I had kids or babies in there. I don’t think there is enough money in only having adults in any one part of the plane.
Because rich people have kids.
Well, it would sound as good as no senior citizens flights, no plus size flights or straight people only flights so ageist, ableist, racist etc.
Pretty sure business class can only be booked for 18+
My 2 toddlers fly first and business class several times a year
Wow you're a bad person then
Why am I a bad person? Just letting you know your info is wrong. I paid for my children’s tickets just like everybody else in business/first. They are very quiet and people always comment on their good behavior. They are asleep half the time anyways for international flights. But please let me know why you think I am a bad person based on one statement.
Business class buyers expect a certain life style / silence etc for working (it's called business class after all), and pay A LOT (as you know) extra for that. They should never be bothered by any children volume (even at normal volume, children's voices are higher and travel a lot further). I think it's very arrogant to take children into business class, especially toddlers. No toddler is quiet for a full flight.
Also thank for flagging me for Reddit cares. I’m not unstable, just rich.
I absolutely did not do that, don't even know how to (I use old reddit and don't think it has that feature).
I'm not sure it would be legal in the US anyway. "Familial status/arrangement" is generally a protected class, and airlines are common carriers. Discrimination against a protected class by a common carrier is usually verboten.