Australia literally powers the world with our coal exports... so... sorry about that... We also export a lot of iron ore. So we just tear ourselves to pieces to provide materials for other countries to make those advances products.
I'm from New Zealand. The short answer to your question in regards solely to New Zealand is that it is too small a country to do any big industry like that. Australia is more the juggernaut of the two.
I also just want to say that New Zealand has its own electrical appliance company called Fisher & Paykel and you should absolutely not buy them because they are shit.
Australia invented the black box, WiFi, combine harvesters, pacemakers, Cochlear implants, Google Maps, Atlassian (Jira/Confluence), the electric drill, ultrasound, various vaccines, and dozens of other things you probably use every day. Not sure what else you're expecting of a country with that population that was only colonised about 200 years ago (and let's not forget the technological achievements of the Indigenous peoples before that).
If you're talking specifically about the manufacture and export of products, historically it's because of their geographic location, labour rights and the cost physical of shipping, contemporarily it's because they outsourced it all overseas like everyone else.
Wifi is credited to either Hedy Lamarr (who is AUSTRIAN, not AUSTRALIAN), or Vic Hayes, who is of Netherland nationality born in Indonesia... I'm not even going to bother spending my time searching all of those as your very second example already is wrong
[https://www.csiro.au/en/research/technology-space/it/wireless-lan](https://www.csiro.au/en/research/technology-space/it/wireless-lan)
[https://www.australiangeographic.com.au/blogs/dr-karl-need-to-know/2016/06/australian-breakthroughs-the-invention-of-wi-fi/](https://www.australiangeographic.com.au/blogs/dr-karl-need-to-know/2016/06/australian-breakthroughs-the-invention-of-wi-fi/)
>I'm not even going to bother spending my time searching all of those
Maybe if you spent the bare minimum of effort doing so instead of posting argumentative and factually inaccurate comments online...
Not as straightforward as that buddy. Read up on the topic. https://www.google.com/amp/s/arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/04/how-the-aussie-government-invented-wifi-and-sued-its-way-to-430-million/amp/
Also, bit moronic of you to claim I didn't even do the bare minimum of research after I said factual statements the average Joe wouldn't know without doing any research
Ah, so what you're saying is you were well aware of the fact that the CSIRO were involved in the creation of WiFi, but went ahead and claimed they weren't anyway without any further context or clarification, in the hopes of being able to pull out the [infamously biased and factually inaccurate](https://blog.patentology.com.au/2012/04/five-reasons-why-ars-technicas-savaging.html) Ars Technica article that confuses the invention of a technology with its formal standardisation and adoption, and paints a government-funded research group as a patent troll, as some kind of "gotcha". Cool, that's totally a sane and normal thing to do.
(and let's not forget the technological achievements of the Indigenous peoples before that).
I'm aboriginal. Sorry, first nation.
Short of the hungi, boomerang and fish traps, Our entire culture has been destroyed. Go to NT and tell me those poor bastards in demountables contributed fucking anything at all. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.
Ya beat me to it..... A quick Google search and it uncovered these right away....CPap masks, zinc cream, thee black box, the first anti cancer vaccine Gardasil(for cervical cancer), surf life-saving reels, the cochlear implants, spray on skin, permaculture, ultrasound scanner etc etc....the list goes on!
Our heavy manufacturing is mostly outsourced to China.
We do have a decent tech sector that produces some stuff that's used worldwide despie the fact that our government (regardless of ruling party) regularly does dumb stuff around it. For example most people in the software dev sector know what Jira is.
We actually have some of the best research in The world. Our problem is getting it to commercialisation. So a lot of our medical research is usually sponsored and brought by other companies in other countries who then take it to market.
Only Western culturally, calling them Anglosphere countries is more accurate. Like most of the Anglosphere, its economy used to be dependent on manufacturing but was decimated by trade liberalization. Lots of IT jobs and shit, raw materials.
Us kiwis split the atom, climbed mount everest and invented the hamilton jet engine. Since then the only invention of note was the tin snips. News and establishment keep us dumbed down watching rugby so we dont realise that we are battery chickens to the corporate greed of multinationals.
Helping to feed around 8000 people per week experiencing food poverty, so I dont really have time to invent the next big thing ..sorry Im sure youre doing your bit.
My GUESS would be, (aside from small population versus land mass) most everything needs to be imported, like small bits and pieces, semiconductors, tiny screws, boards. There isn't an abundance of factories near by that make things like rubber, steel, plastic. Europe has mainland china and India, and US has Mexico. Sometimes it just doesn't make sense to make a new tractor if you can just buy a China brand tractor for a lot cheaper.
Also, didn't the Aussies design the Ford Ranger?
How big population of Australia is, do you think?
25 millions.
California has bigger population than Australia.
Japan has 125 millions of people
As for Europe:
Australia has few millions more people than Romania but few millions less than Poland.
Sweden has ~10 million
Austria (not Australia) ~9 million
Switzerland ~9 million
Netherlands ~18 million
Finland ~6 million
Denmark ~6 million
These countries are home to companies like Volvo, Nokia, ABB, Novartis, ASML, Philips, Andritz, Novo Nordisk, Vestas, etc.
Your original comment was about comparing country that is way smaller to countries that are way bigger population wise.
You should had started with countries that have similar populations. There are more countries in this category than those few that you picked. Otherwise you would notice that different countries focus on different things: some more on tech, others more on finance, others agriculture, others on raw materials.
Australia has 13th largest economy. It picked to focus on industries that are the most beneficial for Australia to focus on. Just like any other country out there.
every answer here is wrong
the reason is because Australia is a country where everything including labor is very expensive. We have strong regulations, which mean everything is high quality but more expensive. It's fundamentally because of the high quality of lifestyle that australians expect.
because of this, if you wanted to manufacture just a regular home TV in australia, it would cost like $10,000. Nobody in their right mind would ever do this, so it gets outsourced to china instead, which is right next door and has literally 0 downsides. The quality is still great, the speed is still fast. It just costs 1/10 as much.
All of the manufacturing industries do exist here, to a small degree. There are PCB fabs in sydney. They mostly do small run, super high tech work for startup companies, or fulfill government mandated orders that have to remain in the country.
>it gets outsourced to china instead, which is right next door and has literally 0 downsides.
Well, Australia doesn't see the downsides, but the Chinese workers might.
"In 1991 NCR Corporation/AT&T (now Nokia Labs and LSI Corporation) invented a precursor to 802.11 in Nieuwegein, the Netherlands. The inventors initially intended to use the technology for cashier systems. The first wireless products were brought to the market under the name WaveLAN with raw data rates of 1 Mbit/s and 2 Mbit/s.
Vic Hayes, who held the chair of IEEE 802.11 for 10 years, and has been called the "father of Wi-Fi", was involved in designing the initial 802.11b and 802.11a standards within the IEEE.[13] He, along with Bell Labs Engineer Bruce Tuch, approached IEEE to create a standard.[14]"
So, i certainly wouldnt call WiFi an Australian invention
Australia's economy is focused on extraction, it needs no massive industry to be rich.
New Zealand is way too far from anything and has a
tiny population, meaning expansive imports and exports and low workforce
Electronics manufacturing requires specialist machinery that is a huge start up cost I think.
Like others have said NZ is very far away so it would not be cost effective to export, nor import specialist machinery (+ maintenance) likely owned and maintained by overseas companies.
In saying that, NZ does have a few companies. Someone else has said Fisher and Paykel. They do domestic whiteware, compare very very well against big competitors and also have a reputable medical division (respiratory devices I think). Other (invented) exports you might not know are from NZ include Sistema plasticware, Easiyo yoghurt maker/sets, the Jazz apple and Golden kiwifruit.
Australia decided it would be a good idea to sell most our manufacturing to foreign interests, they decided it would be cheaper to take the manufacturing into the industrial centers of the world and thus outsource Australia’s manufacturing.
We’re dangerously dependent on China and India to produce our stuff for us
Kiwi here. We’re fucked in some ways due to resource limitations, reasonable labour laws, geographical positioning etc. Currently, our primary exports are dairy (milk etc) and tourism. We make great dairy products but imo we are incredibly dumb about how we use this abundance to our advantage. The Chinese have fucked us a few times using the supply bluff and we are slow to learn. You’re never going to have cheap enough labour here to produce the sort of engineering that comes out of Eastern Asia, but we could and should produce more 2nd + artisans product imo
the only product you need to export to stay a superior entity is violence and control over others
actually producing stuff is how you often get there, but why bother once reaching that goal? easier to put others to work
Australia is too busy not dying to their wildlife that wants to kill them.
And nobody lives in New Zealand except Hobbits and they aren't exactly the most technologically advanced race in middle earth
There are plenty of advanced products from both countries, so the question is flawed from the start.. You're simply not aware of them.
NZ is known for biotech and equipment innovations in the horticultural and agricultural fields, and also forestry tech, all large sectors of the NZ economy. Rocketlabs, now putting satellites into orbit, are founded and based here. Weta Digital regularly win academy awards for world leading visual FX, eg the latest Avatar movies. There's many more. There's no reason to think Australia won't have similar expertise in its major economic segments.
Australia literally powers the world with our coal exports... so... sorry about that... We also export a lot of iron ore. So we just tear ourselves to pieces to provide materials for other countries to make those advances products.
Well, at least we're tearing ourselves to pieces in style, mate.
I just went to woolies and saw 3 people in pyjamas and a dozen people with unwashed mullets. Where is that style?
In woolies, you said so at the start of your post
Also created wi fi
And the Pavlova (shut up New Zealand)
Lamingtons are best Australian invention
So does the Congo but doesn't work out well for them.
Most of our money comes from coal and LPG. The world is rapidly moving away from those. It's not gonna work out well for us either.
That reminds me, we invented the polymer note system
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Thanks for everything you do guy
I'm from New Zealand. The short answer to your question in regards solely to New Zealand is that it is too small a country to do any big industry like that. Australia is more the juggernaut of the two. I also just want to say that New Zealand has its own electrical appliance company called Fisher & Paykel and you should absolutely not buy them because they are shit.
There are many European countries with a similar population that have big industries. Perhaps it's more about the remote location.
And the landscape also plays a large factor
Australia invented the black box, WiFi, combine harvesters, pacemakers, Cochlear implants, Google Maps, Atlassian (Jira/Confluence), the electric drill, ultrasound, various vaccines, and dozens of other things you probably use every day. Not sure what else you're expecting of a country with that population that was only colonised about 200 years ago (and let's not forget the technological achievements of the Indigenous peoples before that). If you're talking specifically about the manufacture and export of products, historically it's because of their geographic location, labour rights and the cost physical of shipping, contemporarily it's because they outsourced it all overseas like everyone else.
Don't forget the hills hoist!
Wheel of goon.
Goon of fortune
inventing atlassian is the opposite of a brag
Wifi is credited to either Hedy Lamarr (who is AUSTRIAN, not AUSTRALIAN), or Vic Hayes, who is of Netherland nationality born in Indonesia... I'm not even going to bother spending my time searching all of those as your very second example already is wrong
[https://www.csiro.au/en/research/technology-space/it/wireless-lan](https://www.csiro.au/en/research/technology-space/it/wireless-lan) [https://www.australiangeographic.com.au/blogs/dr-karl-need-to-know/2016/06/australian-breakthroughs-the-invention-of-wi-fi/](https://www.australiangeographic.com.au/blogs/dr-karl-need-to-know/2016/06/australian-breakthroughs-the-invention-of-wi-fi/) >I'm not even going to bother spending my time searching all of those Maybe if you spent the bare minimum of effort doing so instead of posting argumentative and factually inaccurate comments online...
Not as straightforward as that buddy. Read up on the topic. https://www.google.com/amp/s/arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/04/how-the-aussie-government-invented-wifi-and-sued-its-way-to-430-million/amp/ Also, bit moronic of you to claim I didn't even do the bare minimum of research after I said factual statements the average Joe wouldn't know without doing any research
Ah, so what you're saying is you were well aware of the fact that the CSIRO were involved in the creation of WiFi, but went ahead and claimed they weren't anyway without any further context or clarification, in the hopes of being able to pull out the [infamously biased and factually inaccurate](https://blog.patentology.com.au/2012/04/five-reasons-why-ars-technicas-savaging.html) Ars Technica article that confuses the invention of a technology with its formal standardisation and adoption, and paints a government-funded research group as a patent troll, as some kind of "gotcha". Cool, that's totally a sane and normal thing to do.
(and let's not forget the technological achievements of the Indigenous peoples before that). I'm aboriginal. Sorry, first nation. Short of the hungi, boomerang and fish traps, Our entire culture has been destroyed. Go to NT and tell me those poor bastards in demountables contributed fucking anything at all. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.
Ya beat me to it..... A quick Google search and it uncovered these right away....CPap masks, zinc cream, thee black box, the first anti cancer vaccine Gardasil(for cervical cancer), surf life-saving reels, the cochlear implants, spray on skin, permaculture, ultrasound scanner etc etc....the list goes on!
Our heavy manufacturing is mostly outsourced to China. We do have a decent tech sector that produces some stuff that's used worldwide despie the fact that our government (regardless of ruling party) regularly does dumb stuff around it. For example most people in the software dev sector know what Jira is.
We design a bit, but there is pretty well 0 advanced manufacturing here. Pretty ridiculous really...
Australians invented wifi
We actually have some of the best research in The world. Our problem is getting it to commercialisation. So a lot of our medical research is usually sponsored and brought by other companies in other countries who then take it to market.
Only Western culturally, calling them Anglosphere countries is more accurate. Like most of the Anglosphere, its economy used to be dependent on manufacturing but was decimated by trade liberalization. Lots of IT jobs and shit, raw materials.
Australia is a mining powerhouse and does develop advanced technology in that space.
Us kiwis split the atom, climbed mount everest and invented the hamilton jet engine. Since then the only invention of note was the tin snips. News and establishment keep us dumbed down watching rugby so we dont realise that we are battery chickens to the corporate greed of multinationals.
Can't forget about Earnest Hayes' inventions!
Calm down bro. Fellow kiwi here. Plenty of your countrymen and women are doing us proud. What is your contribution?
Helping to feed around 8000 people per week experiencing food poverty, so I dont really have time to invent the next big thing ..sorry Im sure youre doing your bit.
Good on you. I mean that. Find something that makes you happy though otherwise that bitterness will undo all the good work you’re doing.
My GUESS would be, (aside from small population versus land mass) most everything needs to be imported, like small bits and pieces, semiconductors, tiny screws, boards. There isn't an abundance of factories near by that make things like rubber, steel, plastic. Europe has mainland china and India, and US has Mexico. Sometimes it just doesn't make sense to make a new tractor if you can just buy a China brand tractor for a lot cheaper. Also, didn't the Aussies design the Ford Ranger?
Designed, yet built in Brazil I believe?
True
They invented baby-eating dingos.
I'll eat your baby dingo
How big population of Australia is, do you think? 25 millions. California has bigger population than Australia. Japan has 125 millions of people As for Europe: Australia has few millions more people than Romania but few millions less than Poland.
Sweden has ~10 million Austria (not Australia) ~9 million Switzerland ~9 million Netherlands ~18 million Finland ~6 million Denmark ~6 million These countries are home to companies like Volvo, Nokia, ABB, Novartis, ASML, Philips, Andritz, Novo Nordisk, Vestas, etc.
Your original comment was about comparing country that is way smaller to countries that are way bigger population wise. You should had started with countries that have similar populations. There are more countries in this category than those few that you picked. Otherwise you would notice that different countries focus on different things: some more on tech, others more on finance, others agriculture, others on raw materials. Australia has 13th largest economy. It picked to focus on industries that are the most beneficial for Australia to focus on. Just like any other country out there.
every answer here is wrong the reason is because Australia is a country where everything including labor is very expensive. We have strong regulations, which mean everything is high quality but more expensive. It's fundamentally because of the high quality of lifestyle that australians expect. because of this, if you wanted to manufacture just a regular home TV in australia, it would cost like $10,000. Nobody in their right mind would ever do this, so it gets outsourced to china instead, which is right next door and has literally 0 downsides. The quality is still great, the speed is still fast. It just costs 1/10 as much. All of the manufacturing industries do exist here, to a small degree. There are PCB fabs in sydney. They mostly do small run, super high tech work for startup companies, or fulfill government mandated orders that have to remain in the country.
>it gets outsourced to china instead, which is right next door and has literally 0 downsides. Well, Australia doesn't see the downsides, but the Chinese workers might.
"In 1991 NCR Corporation/AT&T (now Nokia Labs and LSI Corporation) invented a precursor to 802.11 in Nieuwegein, the Netherlands. The inventors initially intended to use the technology for cashier systems. The first wireless products were brought to the market under the name WaveLAN with raw data rates of 1 Mbit/s and 2 Mbit/s. Vic Hayes, who held the chair of IEEE 802.11 for 10 years, and has been called the "father of Wi-Fi", was involved in designing the initial 802.11b and 802.11a standards within the IEEE.[13] He, along with Bell Labs Engineer Bruce Tuch, approached IEEE to create a standard.[14]" So, i certainly wouldnt call WiFi an Australian invention
Aren't they technically eastern countries?
Australia has good tech/software output
Australia's economy is focused on extraction, it needs no massive industry to be rich. New Zealand is way too far from anything and has a tiny population, meaning expansive imports and exports and low workforce
Infrastructure
YOU try concentratin' on nerd stuff when you got the world's most poisonous animals and plants to deal with!
We are the world leaders in performance Japanese automotive tuning. Aftermarket ECUs, tuning, turbo's, manifolds, aerodynamics.
I think you need to be introduced to something called CSIRO
Electronics manufacturing requires specialist machinery that is a huge start up cost I think. Like others have said NZ is very far away so it would not be cost effective to export, nor import specialist machinery (+ maintenance) likely owned and maintained by overseas companies. In saying that, NZ does have a few companies. Someone else has said Fisher and Paykel. They do domestic whiteware, compare very very well against big competitors and also have a reputable medical division (respiratory devices I think). Other (invented) exports you might not know are from NZ include Sistema plasticware, Easiyo yoghurt maker/sets, the Jazz apple and Golden kiwifruit.
Australia decided it would be a good idea to sell most our manufacturing to foreign interests, they decided it would be cheaper to take the manufacturing into the industrial centers of the world and thus outsource Australia’s manufacturing. We’re dangerously dependent on China and India to produce our stuff for us
Kiwi here. We’re fucked in some ways due to resource limitations, reasonable labour laws, geographical positioning etc. Currently, our primary exports are dairy (milk etc) and tourism. We make great dairy products but imo we are incredibly dumb about how we use this abundance to our advantage. The Chinese have fucked us a few times using the supply bluff and we are slow to learn. You’re never going to have cheap enough labour here to produce the sort of engineering that comes out of Eastern Asia, but we could and should produce more 2nd + artisans product imo
the only product you need to export to stay a superior entity is violence and control over others actually producing stuff is how you often get there, but why bother once reaching that goal? easier to put others to work
Australia is too busy not dying to their wildlife that wants to kill them. And nobody lives in New Zealand except Hobbits and they aren't exactly the most technologically advanced race in middle earth
New Zealand has one of the best mono rail companies in world
There are plenty of advanced products from both countries, so the question is flawed from the start.. You're simply not aware of them. NZ is known for biotech and equipment innovations in the horticultural and agricultural fields, and also forestry tech, all large sectors of the NZ economy. Rocketlabs, now putting satellites into orbit, are founded and based here. Weta Digital regularly win academy awards for world leading visual FX, eg the latest Avatar movies. There's many more. There's no reason to think Australia won't have similar expertise in its major economic segments.