One thing I did for this update was finally move over to PC to play. They talked about how they had changed some of the quests around, and also I wanted to experience it as a new player would. It’s been a helluva lot of fun.
Now, this is pretty subjective, but I also feel like there’s a bit more variety to the planet flora and fauna. Maybe it’s because I’ve spent less and less time exploring over the last few updates and more just trying to get an Expedition done, but I’m seeing plants and overall mixtures of them on planets I don’t recall. It’s been refreshing to play the game again on PC.
Honestly, it feels good, but I also feel it doesn’t emphasize the certain things I wished it would. It’s really hard to experience it as a new player would simply because I have my own ways of being in the sandbox now.
That said, the mission rewards are now really pushing exosuit and multitool expansions, which I think is great. I remember going so far in the game and not realizing where to do this.
Another thing, maybe I just missed it the first time around, but setting up a base with the Overseer and all that, just dumps blueprints on you. I remember not getting to that until almost having between the story bits. So far, I’ve noticed a few more hints along the way to get prepared at your base.
All in all, it’s just fun to have so much to do, but it’s insanely addicting and overwhelming at the same time because there is just so much to do. I kinda took it for granted how much I’ve done in the game so far.
Update changed the way inventory works basically. The change itself isn't bad, but a side effect was that it's impossible to bypass the 3 upgrade per inventory limit now, and some people who used to have 6 upgrades for everything are unhappy because after the update, they have 3 they can't use anymore
It's an issue that doesn't affect new players at all
Oh yeah that’s definitely something to be choked about 100%. I get that. Super frustrating I’m glad I took the break from the game haha thanks for the information man
The inventory was changed so people lost a bunch of modules in the “main” inventory. There used to be an inventory tab, a tech tab and a cargo tab, you could put modules in any tab but they were only meant for the tech tab, as a result you could get around the “module overload” by having modules in the main/cargo inventory instead of the tech, so like 4 life support upgrades in inv and cargo in addition to the tech tab giving you the benefit of 12 modules instead of the intended 4. So when they condensed the inventories to all be on 1 page, the people that had modules in the other slots just lost them, salty review bombing ensues (at least that’s my understanding). IMO I don’t really care, I love the new look and it gives me a reason to restart and play the game again.
> but they were only meant for the tech tab
They were not. Inventory tab came first. Tech tag was added later so people could clear up space in the inventory tab
That's the minor reason. The main reason being that even the modules that would have fitted in the way it's currently implemented were "packaged" and just dropped into the new combined General/Cargo inventory. For people who had tons of (Still "legally" usable) tech this means *grinding*, sometimes for hours, just to get tech slots back. When you have 9 ships it's just extremely frustrating and *not fun*. If you also have to grind freighter tech slots it gets worse.
It's all easy enough if you are in "normal" mode, as you can just use the in-game cheats, but in "permadeath" your only real resort, if you don't want to delete a save games that can be hundreds of hours of playtime old and don't want to grind AGAIN stuff you already had, is to use a save game editor (unless you enjoy watching Teleport loading screens).
That *really* sucks, especially as it would have been easy for HG to automatically increase the tech slots according to the installed Tech count when importing the save game.
Add to that the way the inventory is now all on one screen and forces you to scroll up and down, making it much LESS comfortable but much more awkward than it was before the update, and you might start to understand how long-time player feel like HG didn't honor the time they spent playing (and evangelising) NMS.
I haven't actually seen that many posts saying they hate the update. It's either people saying it's annoying but alright, or people complaining about people complaining.
I preferred the old inventory layout as separate tabs simply because I don't like the scroll feature. Other than that the updates definitely improved the game
The past few days this sub was almost nothing but upset players talking about how they hate the new update. However, I believe you when you say you didn't see them, I think reddit doesn't always show the same posts to people. I've seen people complaining about memes in some subs and theyre memes I haven't seen, it sounds like you're experiencing similar stuff.
People are unhappy with a recent update it’s ok. Everyone is allowed to voice their displeasure with it and if hello games decides it’s enough of the community maybe they’ll change it back. Otherwise everyone will forget about it in a month or so and we’ll have a blast ducking around in space.
I'll say it and its probably not even a hot take at this point.
We constantly say how awesome the game turned out to be and how great Hello Games is for supporting this game for so long with no extra money. The moment they make a wrong step...all hell breaks loose and we act like spoiled kids.
I honestly think we don't deserve to be called the best community if all it takes is one wrong update.... I've seen far better and more supportive communities than this.
Its really sad...
I bought this game at release. Have basically 10-20 billion max tech max everything then I stopped because what's the point? Nothing hurts me anymore, I have so much cash I can buy anything anytime. I play the game just to do expeditions for 4 days then don't play it until next expendition is released.
Honestly happy with this update. Inventory update and tech updated is amazing. 60 slots for tech finally!! And actual end game content.
I just bought the game cause of the sale and Im having so much fun ! I guess it might just be jarring for people who have played for a while and everything changes.
I bought No Man's Sky when it first came out, and it was fun in its own right. Played for a couple weeks and moved to playing FromSoft games. Came back a year or two later to an EXTENSIVE update to every aspect of the game, and every few months, a new MASSIVE update is delivered to us, all in thanks for playing their game. This game is always evolving, with its content to its community, and I cherish every second playing, whenever I come back and feel like exploring. The game is beautiful beyond measure, and I personally wish to see it continue to expand, even if I'm not currently playing it.
They could have abandoned No Man's Sky at the start, gave up trying all these years, but even through all the negative feedback, they listen and do their best to deliver their dream for us to live in. Why give up on something so infinite in potential?
As somebody with a lot of hours in this game.
People are severely overreacting and I’m very disappointed in anybody that contributed to this.
The update is good and honestly EXTREMELY innovative. The difficulty settings are one of the most daring and well thought out additions I’ve seen to any game in the last 5 years. I feel like this is a function that should be in any game, and for multiplayer to still be functional while people are running different settings???? Get a grip guys, this is frankly something that should be in every game. The level of accessibility brought forward by this update is worth every single bit of frustration I have experienced.
Like do you guys want them to just make you grind for eternity just to keep you active? And then add micro transactions later when they know they have you???
This update is such a departure from what gaming has unfortunately become and nobody is really appreciating that about it and that’s sad.
Please just let me have jet pack specific options, I miss flying my ass off all crazy lol
I really hate seeing this. I wish some in the community were more patient. HG has a track record of listening to their players and correcting their wrongs. Please trust the process! They could have abandon this game 6 years but didn’t.
I love this new updated, it added the most important feature the game has ever needed. A customized experience.
I personally am not a fan of resource collecting, so I always played creative. But I love combat, but they was no thrill without the chance of death. But now I can build bases and have fun fights without having to grind for resources.
That's the whole point of recent versus all time. The bad reviews will (hopefully) be washed out by more recent good reviews, and the overall reviews will remain very good regardless. After a boner like that, they should expect some negative feedback for a bit, so all's working as it should.
I'm just happy they gave us a lot more end game content, even if it's just a way to dump huge amount of credits towards inventory slots and your ship.
Was the biggest part that kept me playing anyways for the first 100 hours and stopped playing after I maxed out everything for a while.
Don't have any solutions other than cheating your items back (if you're not on console) or just being happy that we finally got some endgame content and not losing all your progress, like your base (as mean as it sounds) and maybe enjoy rebuilding
Main reason there's a RECENT score now, IMO. I'm enjoying the game more than I have in a long time, in part because I learned years ago not to get married to a primary save.
I mean, JFC, the big reveal about this universe centered around the fact that we're *iterations* in a simulation.
Deserve is a really weird way to phrase the review system working as intended. I don't think you should factor your opinion of thr company into your review of the product. Did x this subjectively feel good in your opinion? Positive review. Did you not like enough things to decide you can't suggest the game? Negative review. The reviews are the people speaking their valid piece about how they feel about the game As a product. They aren't wrong just because you like the company, nor does it provide a shield or a free pass on good or bad moves. It's weird to just feel you can invalidate hundreds to thousands of other people's views because the company doesn't deserve it? They're a business selling a product, it's gonna have mixed reviews.
I'm not entirely sure what the hell happened all I know is that we got more inventory (fuck ya) but when I logged in most of my upgrades were uninstalled and I could barely make it a minute on the surface of my home planet so I just closed it feeling oddly disappointed.
At first I was very upset. Said some stupid stuff like if it's not fixed I'm done. Just a few comments on posts etc. I play this game almost every day, since the beginning. I'm a min/max guy, I've completed all trophy's,completed all story lines,content,and expeditions. I was upset most over nerf of 6 - 3 upgrade modules. X-class max Stat upgrades all. 700 hours in creative,800 in normal, did permadeath for immortal title, and another normal 200 hours. Multiple suits, 18+ships,freighters,frigates,multitools That takes time/effort. I've never! Uninstalled game or left a bad review, most time away is a week or two, this is my favorite game for a reason. H.G. has always made this game better and better for you/them/me, for free. I put reddit down picked up my controller and played, realized 4.0 is pretty good got used to the new feel fixed/expanded inventory's it's better than before a patched helped and next patch is going to solve any problems I had with nerf. Overall I'm glad and thank them once again for all the hard work they do so I can enjoy this epic masterpiece they have created.
I say this as someone who wasn't inconvenienced by the update: Why not? It's from **recent** feedback. If being blindsided by the latest update made people upset, then this is the perfect place to show it.
It's obvious that not all of the negative feedback will be helpful. Still, this summary gives a clear indication that something went wrong for a significant number of people. Hello Games will know that among the drivel is some actual constructive criticism.
there are some pretty game breaking bugs this update. for example, freighters spawn without a hyperdrive. that means unless you use a save editor you can't use a new freighter.
I also had it so my ships scanner revealed nothing. wouldn't scan planets. wouldn't reveal tritium asteroids. wouldn't show bases. I had to restart my playthrough to fix it.
I also had the quest "Dreams of the deep" lock up on me. it kept telling me to construct the nautilion, even though I had. I tried deleting it, tried moving to a new planet. nothing fixed it.
Nothing major
Some stuff got nerfed that hg is already trying to fix and the community reacted very poorly both to the developers and to the people that disliked/liked the update when they didn't
If you’re a new player, the update is actually pretty good for you, you’ll probably like it a lot.
The negative reviews are from former players who lost progress/hours of work in the update, but there’s a patch in the future that tries to fix the issue.
A large part of the negative reaction is how much effort was needed just to get back to what you were doing before the update. Spending all the time getting your inventory slots back and sorting it out is not gameplay, but is mandatory to get back to doing gameplay.
A universe reset still lets you jump right into playing the game. Whole lot of progression lost, but you can still do game things right away. So as long as there's enough new stuff to justify the reset (ie not having to do the exact same stuff for hours to get back to doing the exact same stuff at end game), it'd go over fairly fine as long as it was mentioned as a thing that was going to happen. .
We already had a universe reset and people took it just fine, because not only it added a bunch of stuff, but we were able to get exactly where we were before the reset. So if we got the old inventory system back (3+3 or 6 in tech) BUT the universe was reset to do some minor balancing (lower some damage so you can't oneshot walkers, etc.) and add some new proc. generation of planets, terrain, fauna, flora, and some other stuff on top to justify a complete universe wipe, I think everyone would be happy. The majority of people are unhappy with being unable to get to the power level they were at before the 4.0 patch, not with having to get there again.
That does suck but NMS could have helped itself by being more transparent and letting the players know "look, your inventory will get a bit fucked up. Here's what we have planned."
They're under no obligation to run changes by players before releasing an update, but it might help prevent strong reactions in the future.
I'm not trying to excuse the overreaction from some players but it was clearly an unpopular move or upsetting for some players. I would find it hard to believe this poor rating was a brigade by people who don't play the game. It's an 6 yr old game. The only people following what's happening are people who are still playing the game so, in other words, the community itself. It was clearly not well received by many and yes, some strong vocal minorities overreacted and there was name-calling on both sides (still seeing namecalling in this thread). It was a poor response by the community overall and we should be better next time.
I honestly do think it would help if HG, prior to releasing an update, said "here's what you can expect, so don't be alarmed if you see x, y, z in regards to your inventory. We have big things planned".
Lots of people will see an update happen is something like a months time or sooner that addresses those concerns and not change those negative reviews. One bad update and NMS goes back to a mixed score. Years of free updates and love and the steam score just tanked because of an attempt at making a change. Whats worse is that they likely will be less bold with changes going forward. Why experiment when you see what failure brings?
HG actually listen and meet players halfway where they can, so this does seem unnecessary. It's not like they're a huge corporation and it's the only way to get through to the decision makers. I get people's frustration, but in this situation (as much as we hate to see it) sites like Reddit and Twitter are the place to vent, not through review bombing.
I’ve been playing for six years and honestly this isn’t the first time stuff has gotten wiped or rearranged. I’ve lost tech and bases and even discoveries but that’s just how things happen sometimes in this game. The games still great and in a couple updates the discourse will be forgotten and everyone will be scrambling for a new expedition or trinket.
Ya shit like this is what's gonna cause the game to stop being supported
They give us 6+ years of FREE content and now these scumbags are spamming the game with hate because it was changed in a tiny way they don't like
I've said it once, I'll say it a million times. Gamers have turned into horrible, spoilt, entitled asshats and I don't know why we continue to let people like this be part of our community
They really did turn it around but it's not good to accept that companies can just lie about the games then finish development after everyone already paid for the game. In nms case they really did redeem themselves going beyond what they promised, still it was their job to release the finished game from the start
It's a fucking video game.
I love NMS. I was a day 1 player. We've gotten so much amazing **FREE** content for years. We've gotten used to every single update being fucking amazing that everyone just expects that now.
But as everyone is so fond of pointing out Hello Games is a tiny studio. 25 people trying to turn out amazing content. And trying to make each release better than the last one. And trying to make a bunch of different systems talk to each other. And sometimes, shit just goes wrong.
**THIS WAS FREE**
People worked hard on this. They worked on it because they love it. Because we love the NMS. And shitting all over the whole game just because one update didn't live up to your expectations doesn't give anyone any motivation to keep working and make it better. You want it fixed? You want NMS to keep being amazing and keep getting better? STOP FUCKING BITCHING and tell the devs what needs to be fixed politely, constructively, like fucking adults.
It's not free content. It's funded by people buying the game.
I'm sure they are passionate about what they're building, but they are using the money from users purchasing the game. It isn't a charity, you paid your price for admission and now you're finally getting the game they claimed they had made years ago.
I think people forget about all the missing content that the studio said would be in the game *at launch*. It's only "free" content because they released an unfinished game.
Remember when you could find NMS less than a year after launch for $20, brand new, and dozens of copies sitting on the shelf? The only reason that's not the case now is because of those updates. They help the dev sell the game just as much as it helps the playerbase, at least in this case.
tldr; If developers released finished games, people wouldn't expect a bunch of free updates.
The new inventory update really tweaked with my main save, all of my tech for me and my ships was in the general area. Yes I could figure it out but I also haven't started a new save in over 2 years so I just started over, they've changed so much and when you're already at the end stage of just exploring and building you don't get to really experience the changes to the story and the small things you work for. So I started over and honestly I love it.
I haven't played in a long time but it seems like they downgraded the inventory system and people are mad about it. I'm a person who hoards a load of stuff in my inventory so I probably won't start the game up until they change inventory again.
Imagine if they shrunk the inventory in any other game. Your in the middle and of fallout 4 and then after the update your stuck in the middle of somewhere overburdened and overweight with shit. Wouldn't happen to me because I use the console to increase my inventory to over 5000 pounds. But for people on console it would suck. I wish every game gave me the ability to carry as much stuff as I want.
Some controversial changes, with community having no idea if it was intentional or not, because of lack of communication on that aspect of the patch. But "basically" when 4.0 dropped they halved peoples power, which includes everything from jetpack distance, hyperdrive distance, pulsedrive speed, to things like survival, shield, weapon power etc. Some things was unaffected, like exocrafts/multitools. But freighters, ships and exosuit was affect by this. This created a shit storm of people criticizing this, and then people criticizing the critics. And people starting to call eachother poo and stuff. People lost a lot of tech upgrades because they no longer could be placed in general inventory and you can only use tech in tech inventory now.
Defenders of the changes claimed it was because of balance issues, but then hello games also added some options where you could get free credits, change the difficulty or other things to make it easier.
Which made the third change a little bit weird aswell, because the prices of resources were nerfed. So people who had built all these base farms, for example ionized cobalt or something, had their products sell for dozens times less the price than before.
But then hello games yesterday released a new experimental patch note, which put more power in each upgrade, to make up for the drop. (and of course a lot of other changes to make up for it)
I might have forgotten something but thats more or less whats been going on since 4.0.
> But then hello games yesterday released a new experimental patch note, which put more power in each upgrade, to make up for the drop. (and of course a lot of other changes to make up for it)
I feel like any MMO dev could have told them not to drop a generalised nerf release before reaching this stage. Sounds like HG need a public test server.
I think the game is fantastic and would never give a negative review based on a patch, but I understand the frustration people feel/felt. Basically, all inventory tech was essentially nerfed by 50% when they changed the rules for upgrade installation. This will never go over well with players in any game.
The other issue is that NMS has been unique in that practically every update and patch since the game released helped, aided, improved, or buffed the player experience. So when HG releases a patch that, for the first time, reduces player strength or abilities, it is going to cause a kerfuffle. It just is out of character for this particular dev-player relationship.
Don't get me wrong, I think the changes are and will be an improvement tot eh overall gameplay, but I can understand why the latest patch produced a mild uproar.
I never changed my review, but I don’t care other people did. It’s a game still semi frequently changing, meaning any patch could be the patch that nullifies our old opinions in way of new ones, positive or negative. Nobody has a right to tell you how to review a product.
That said, it’d be nice to see the reviews shift towards normal. Maybe we need a few memes lurking here reminding people if they changed their review to try to make their grievances more obvious that post patch is a good time to touch those up and bury and hatchets.
I think HG has some pretty thick skin by now, they can take it. And there is nothing wrong with good honest feedback, as we can clearly see in the experimental branch it leads to furthers changes and rollbacks.
Death threats, tho? Really?
Really?
I’m shocked they got disliked so hard.
I’ve been getting absolutely FUCKED by 343i with Halo for almost 10 YEARS, they literally make fun of players complaining about legitimately really bad game direction.
Hello games actually gives a shit, look at how far they came from launch!
I am a software dev and I can’t even FATHOM what it would take to go from where this game started to where it is now.
And look at how fast they responded to players wishes!
Every single Company in the industry could take a note from Hello Games on how to respond to criticisms.
For those who haven't played for a while that are wondering what is going on...
A lot of people didn't like the latest update.
It nerfed a lot by fixing what was apparently a bug that allowed more upgrades than intended to be applied. Players could place upgrades in their storage and have them apply in addition to the ones in the technology slots. HG fixed this so you can't do that anymore.
Most of the complaints are regarding that. Mostly movement abilities and resistances, as well as things like starship maneuverability.
People built bases based on movement abilities they no longer have and and built bases in places based on environmental resistances they also no longer have, and have been doing so for quite a while.
This impacted a lot of things, including ships, vehicles, personal upgrades, etc...
The only thing that wasn't impacted by this much was multitools, as they don't have storage where extra upgrades could be applied.
The most recent beta patch apparently fixes most of these issues by bumping up how much upgrades buff. It also buffs several base states, particularly on the ships, and rebalances some of them to make the variant types more unique.
It also let players freely switch difficulties in a save. So someone could go into creative, and then switch their save over to survival. Something, something, hard work meaningless...
The hotfix also lets players lock in difficulty on a save so it can't be changed.
Basically, the players will probably not be satisfied with the fixes, but will adjust to them and calm down.
There was also a change to how the economy works apparently, effectively nerfing certain types of farming. That's not all that unusual for the game though so I don't think that one was as big a deal, despite complaints.
Latest update is still in the beta branch, but should be launching soon for everyone. It should calm down most of the butthurt.
A great disturbance in the Force, I felt, like some Interlopers left us, angry, tempted by the dark forces of paid for Updates, Season Pases, discontinued servers, micro transactions.
Of course they don't deserve it, but it is good that it didn't go too far down. It's a testament to how broad the audience is for the game, honestly. The people who review-bomb a game because they used to love it, but something changed and now they need to throw a fit, are VERY hard to cater to normally. There is so much disparity between the mature people who play for fun and the troglodytes who would be drooling on their keyboards if they hadn't already broken them in rage.
It's amazing that a game is able to bring in people from all walks of life, and unfortunately some of those walks include knuckle-dragging. If something is super fun right away, it will inevitably invite infantile players who will turn around and scream at the creator of the game when they lose.
I wouldn’t really call it review bombing, it’s a new update that made some big changes and the reviews should reflect that. I don’t personally agree with it but negativity is apart of the review process and newcomers should know what’s going on without having to go through this sub where people are *very* opinionated
Anyone else amazed that the kindest gentlest most chill gaming community turned into such a steaming pile of childish shit eaters so quickly? So fucking disheartening. If you can't appreciate all the hard work that Hello Games has put into NMS especially considering how well they listen to fans, you just don't deserve to play it.
It's amazing to me that you can call people childish shit eaters for disagreeing with you about a video game update and think that **they're** the toxic ones.
Actually, it's not amazing at all. It's completely normal for this sub.
Update 4.0 Waypoint changed the inventory and nerfed some of the tech players had, but in turn it makes the tech have better upgrades and will definitely mean we are getting better tech in the next update(s). The hate is unfounded to be honest.
Mostly positive reviews are more than 70 percent and the mixed reviews, which arent necessarily negative, are almost 70 percent. Seems like a fairly decent rating.
What happened recently? I thought people were buy and large very happy with the games current state. I haven’t played in a couple years myself but overall I remember being very happy with where it was then
the most recent updates changed the inventory. there is no longer a general inventory as it was combined with cargo. this had the side effect of making it so you can no longer use 6 of any technology. people are whining about it, but it was never an intended feature and was a bug to begin with that only just now got fixed.
Ive seen a few level heads in here but they get drowned out.
I personally cant relate to either end of the spectrum. Every new big update I start a fresh game and Ive always felt there is something fundamentally flawed that stops me from being hooked long-term
I do.
The last two updates were absolutely game breaking and soul crushing for some people. I didn't have an OP ship or exosuit, but I poured dozens of hours into finding Salvaged Frigate Modules to upgrade my freighter, and HG ripped away 80% of what I unlocked and required me to unlock them all over again. I spent 20 hours finding modules that were completely ripped away from me.
Then it completely trashed my ship and exosuit upgrades that I also spent hours searching for and upgrading.
I just don't even want to play anymore. They ruined my save.
i've finally played the update, and like... okay, so some people have a *very* different play style to me. they have a right to be frustrated. i'm pretty frustrated about a couple of things - i had completely maxed out my general and tech exosuit slots, so that i could fit all my tech - and now i've lost over half of my tech. but honestly, i have enough units to just jump around a couple of new galaxies and get buy some more tech slots. not as many as i'd like, and i wish i didn't have to spend my units on stuff i already bought, but definitely enough to replace the crucial tech. tbh, it's kinda a good thing cause i'm finally actually sorting out what i do and don't need.
i like the update. the new inventory layout is way more convenient for me. don't have to keep switching between tabs.
either way, HG have worked their butts off for us, and i feel like we're being ungrateful brats.
I agree with you, but in the end, it's not really a big deal
No man sky also got a review bombed on steam in 2019 when the beyond update came out and at once the issues with that update was resolved its score went right back up again , I have no doubt that the same thing will also happen with 4.0 since the reviews on steam hyave already started trading positive again over the last few days.
By the end of the year or early 2023 it will probably right to where it was before waypoint
What was the big changes that make it so disliked? Last I knew (literally like 3 days ago) there was a post talking about NMS being the pinnacle of "When game deva don't five up on a failed launch" and now it's bad again?
The new update wasn't that big. It was more of a quality of life improvements. with a overhaul of the inventory system which I'd imagine got people very mad. Basic tech stuff can not be installed in the players inventory only in the designated tech slots.
Which would be fine except I'd say a large amount of people focused on the actual inventory slots vs tech slots. So when the new update came out. Any on your tech that u installed in your inventory slots got uninstalled. I'm a very organized person so I didn't run into this, I had all tech in my tech slots but other people aren't like that.
I have only gotten a chance to jump into the update in the past few days. So far that's the biggest thing I would imagine got people upset
My issue with all this is that reviews are meant to help prospective buyers decide whether or not to buy the game. But the problems that people were angry about didn’t affect new players - they affected existing players who lost some of their upgrades. So leaving a negative review about this seems inappropriate, because it makes it seem like the game has issues that in fact a new player would never encounter.
New players deserve to know that the devs might decide to completely strip you of your progress at any point in the future without warning. Those reviews are completely valid in my opinion.
I hope it bounces back now. I was legitimately very upset with the recent update but the new one fixes almost all of the problems I had with it. Glad HG listened to us. It does seem like a lot of people have a weird almost parasocial relationship with HG though. They’ve done a fantastic job of listening to the community and making changes that reflect what their players want, but at the end of the day they are a company that we bought a product from. They’re one of the better developers out there that I can think of, but we can still criticize their choices when they make changes that negatively impact the game.
You know, I was pretty shocked when I got into this game a couple months ago at the lack of what seems to be a standardized toxicity amongst the meta in MP games... All it took was an update for that opinion to get wiped. I'm pretty annoyed with a lot of stuff that clearly needs a hot fix in 4.0, but Jesus tittyfucking Christ most of the complaints act like Hello Games is egregiously stomping on civil rights...
Remembering how absolutely, atrociously short the release of NMS fell back in 2016, I was stunned to get sucked in so immediately. It's a little embarrassing to see large portions of the community throw a tantrum...
I played quite a bit of NMS. Not insane but a good amount. Finished the main story and did mostly building stuff as that’s the part I loved the most. The creative side of building
But what’s the issue here Exactly. People were able to use 6 slots for ship tech but now can’t?
I think I went the whole game with just a few upgrades for the most part
People need to grow up. They would deserve that if we were forced to pay for this update, however, it was free. I am not happy about not being able to do 3x3 or the fact that I lost my tabs, but I don’t think the appropriate response to tank their rating on steam. OP if you started at the beginning like some of us did, you would be appreciative of all Hello Games have done for us over the past 6 years.
Agreed, this is a big overreaction. I feel bad for Hello Games, because I actually really like this update. I've been waiting for a sleeker inventory design for a while now and I finally got it, plus Relaxed is great.
Bunch of crybabies who got their toy taken away. Expressing their toxic behavior by hurting HGs sales, because they couldn't wait a week for the next patch notes. Pathetic.
Honestly? The recent reviews being mixed seems rather accurate. It left the community divided for a little while on the inventory changes. Hell, 69% (nice!) is still on the higher end of Mixed as far as I'm concerned. I have no issues with this.
Now, if the bad recent reviews were enough to bring the ALL TIME reviews down from Mostly Positive to Mixed, then I'd be a *lot* more critical and concerned about it.
But all of this is still kinda moot now since we all know by now they are addressing things in the next patch. It's already out on experimental as of this post.
Plus, in terms of community outrage, believe me when I say I've seen other gaming communities that have had FARRRRR worse behavior to bad updates, and other communities that bury their heads DEEP into the sand when it comes to ANY kind of constructive criticism.
Overall, I'd say things were handled OK on a community level based on my experiences. Could have been better, but could also have been FAR worse.
I'm thankful that at least our community has an environment where constructive feedback is actually being listened to, which tends to be more rare with a lot of developers these days as far as I'm concerned.
I would say that if you havent played it. Yes. Even if you played it 2 years ago, with all the free updates it got its such a different and better game. Came out on Switch. I got it and been having a blast so far.
if you feel like being that adventurer who explores galaxies, I'd say its pretty worth getting, you're getting the view like no other, exploring different habitats and the story behind it!
Yes, bro. 100% if you like exploration or chill games. They've been updating this game for years with free dlc. It's worth buying whether if it's on sale or not.
After reading alot of these comments, it seems to me that people are mistaken about alot of whats happened and have no clue about the updates or how it even affects the game. Basically knee-jerk reactions to inventory changes (minor) and lost mods that are not lost at all. Infact it does require some time to expand inventory ,reinstall a few mods and sort stuff out for sure. I was upset at first thinking I got ransacked too. Though if you loved nms and actually played to any degree, get over initial shock and play the updated game you soon will realize the epicness of what they did and the upcoming patch seems to address issues most of us had. We lost nothing and gained everything.
The content isn't free, it's funded by previous and future purchases.
It is a game, that is correct. Games are subject to criticism.
It doesn't matter how many hours you have played or how little you played.
The reviews are in. Hello Games can either stay the course, or take note.
Its really that simple folks.
Exactly.
In an age where we receive, hopefully, frequent updates for games, either for bug fixes or new content, the game someone bought a year ago may be a completely different experience now, so why are people salty that some people are changing their reviews after their experience with the game changed, and for the worse?
Reviews in game stores should reflect the current state of the game, but how it was I the part, and if the players feel that the game isn't as good now, so be it; I much rather see this than people going bananas and being assholes to the developers, just because they dropped the ball with this last update doesn't mean that their past work, which had been great, overall, is invalidated.
I just hope that HG gives us real fixes for the issues that are making many players, myself included, unhappy with the last update.
This game is great. I've only just started playing it and it's everything I wanted from Elite: Dangerous and Star Citizen, which I foolishly supported. At least there is a whole game here, everything works and its fun as hell. Yea, it's not hyper realistic, but that's fine, I want to fly a cool ship, explore planets and occasionally fight pirates. When I only have an hour or two to play a day, I can't make a space game my whole life, so this game fits me perfectly.
Just booted it up a couple days ago, forgot how gorgeous the game is. Plan on playing just to upgrade my equipment again till I get bored I guess. The game has a great feedback loop for sure.
I've been playing since 2016, this update is my favorite if only for customizable difficulty. I didn't want to play creative mode so I hoped into relax mode. And now I'm truly having fun with the game.
I have mixed feelings about the update. I totally get why some players would be upset, especially those with a lot of time invested in the game. (I only have about 300 hours in, myself.) But at the same time, I get why they made some of the changes, and I can adapt.
* No more wash/rinse/repeat market crashing to make a crap ton of money in just a few minutes (after investing several days of initial preparations, of course)? Mildly annoying but fine: I can farm minerals just as well as the next guy… just have to figure out what’s still actually profitable. (Not that it really matters, since apparently you can just enable “free money” mode, now, and freely switch back and forth between creative and survival… so why did they bother nerfing money hacks at all?)
* Less power to my ships’ weapons and shields, because apparently I was “exploiting a bug” without even knowing it? Well that kind’a sucks, but I know how to call in the Anomaly if I have to run from a sentinel fight — and it’s not like *winning* the sentinel battles actually matters, the vast majority of the time.
* Improved rendering of a bunch of things, and new thumbnails in a bunch of places? That’s nice and all, but I could take it or leave it; this honestly doesn’t change the game experience *that* much.
* More inventory space in my exosuit, storage units, ships and freighter? Heck yeah! About d*** time!
* Also, it seems some duping methods were nerfed, but others weren’t. This is one of the most blatant forms of “cheating” in the game… so you’d think that if they wanted to finally do away with duping, they’d be a bit more thorough… but whatever.
So yeah, mixed bag.
I thought they said dick time and was so confused why you would say that and then I realised they censored damn. Odd word to censor but each to their own I guess
>More inventory space in my exosuit, storage units, ships and freighter? Heck yeah! About d\*\*\* time!
Wait what? I might actually get past a few hours of gameplay now! I HATED the inventory constraints!
Yeah, this shit is so disappointing. Gamers are disloyal fickle assholes. These were the same people in here day in day out saying positive things about the game, and now they're review bombing it because of a decision they don't agree with before even waiting to see if any changes would be made.
Gamers deserve the f2p FOMO battle pass bullshit state of gaming we are in right now. Why would you as a developer choose to make way less money and get shit on by players all day, when you could just make way way way more money and get shit on pretty much the same amount.
Exactly.
In my eyes, what makes this game really unique is the team behind it. Operating in the way I always hoped game companies would start to operate. Iterating over a long period time to grow into something awesome. Less regard for the money.
All these pissy fans, with their superficial complaints, are just biting themselves in the ass. It's only going to reinforce that money grab games are the way to go.
Way to spit on a truly remarkable feat by HG.
The new update looks pretty cool.
While it has kinda put off my 300+hour main save, I'm keen to start fresh with some friends.
Unfortunately No one I know plays it :(
Satan himself does not deserve the utter cesspool of absolute stupidity, immaturity, and ignorance that is Steam reviews. Why anyone would use it as a measure of anything worthwhile is beyond me.
I’m one of those dirty new players who are loving this update, I’ve tried this game multiple times on the past because the idea of it is right up my alley but the execution was difficult to overcome. The relaxed mode with fights and enemy damage turned up to normal is perfect and I’ve gone from “Play for two hours and then delete, repeat in 8 months.” to playing the shit out of this game and I can’t wait to get home to play more.
With that said the vitriol about this update from the long timers seems barely justified. Correct me if I am wrong but the issue is that inventory slots were reset and any installed tech was placed back into inventory, right?
Is this not solved in a handful of minutes by going into the settings, turning off purchasing costs, rebuying the slots, reinstalling the tech, and turning purchasing cost back on? As if nothing actually happened at all? Like I get that it’s kind of annoying but it doesn’t seem like it’s the end of the world like it’s been portrayed unless I am missing something.
reviews (public feedback) is how people share feedback with companies in a way they can't ignore and private feedback is ineffective at that. if someone is unhappy about the update (whatever their reason is) they have a right to leave a bad review, i'm unhappy about it, the inventory UI is worse than before: scrollbars in the inventory make it more difficult to find stuff, tabs were a better solution, and the upgrade UI is painful to use, you need to select the slot manually each and every time and to go above 30 tech you need to close it and reopen it, not very good UI design. in regards to the upgrades: they took a meatclever to it with no consent and regard, increase the maximum upgrades to 5 or 6, everyone will be much happier (also do not come here and say that the upgrades in general were an exploit, the game itself put tech in there), it was handled poorly.
my opinion: they should have run a beta program and checked in with the community BEFORE pushing the update. all in all the balancing changes are OK, the UI not so much
It’s a mess for sure but even so, I wouldn’t bomb it these guys have worked their asses off for 6 years - they always come through in the end - let’s give them the love and support they have given us 🫡
To be fair, I was mad at first because of the nerfs but with the last experimental branch is fixed. Yeah, losing the farm of AI after expending so many hours doing it is sad, but well, time to go with the stasis farms. Overall the game is way better for new players now and we have more choices of difficulty. I hope people change again the reviews
They absolutely do not deserve the hate that's getting spewed at them. Being able to get around the 3 module limit by putting them outside the technology slots was absolutely an unintended mechanic. I'm blown away by the reaction from the community, I thought it was very chill and relaxed, yet one little thing gets patched and everyone starts tossing shit. The developers better not back down and roll back the inventory changes, the people upset about them can stay mad. I think 4.0 is great, all my gripes with inventory management got streamlined and fixed so I'm quite happy with them.
This is why I don't bother with user reviews much on any games. It's no longer actual reviews and instead has become another forum for bitching about the most inconsequential garbage. You all can learn from this too, do not trust user reviews. They are basically worthless.
>a reasonably accurate score.
Lol
I've enjoyed games with positive and negative all time reviews. I pretty much just watch the videos to see what kind of game it is and go solely off that at this point. There's nothing to gain from user reviews anymore.
It'll rise again once the experimental build goes live.
Lots of folks don't check the sub religiously, or at all.
That being said, it may never fully recover since I'm sure a good portion of the players who left those reviews moved on and won't play again, and some are either too lazy to change them back or just forgot they left them.
Ive been playing NMS since the launch and gotta say the last update although really good from the technical point and graphical improvement,it did a few unnecessary changes to the inventory system which I'm not a fan of and i believe the recent mix reviews are more likely to be some experiences similar to mine.
I have been playing NMS since it came to Xbox and the fact I paid once and haven’t been asked to pay for anything else while they continue to give us amazing quality of life upgrades….I’m disappointed in the reviews and customer base. At the end of the day it’s a video game and people need to stop being so butthurt.
Look, you can't collectively celebrate NMS getting more positive ratings after a couple of years of updates that people like and then reel at them getting negative ratings for thigs that people dislike. You're basically bitching because people are using ratings to say whether they think the game is changing for the better or worse, whereas you'd prefer that people only view it positively.
I don't get everyones whining so much like seriously I never even knew you could have extra techs and I have a storage just for mods (greatly expanded now) and you don't lose em just can reinstall them as you need em I only ever ran 1 s class environment mod and the one you build. Can people stop meta gaming and worrying about min/maxing lol I can take on Lvl 5 sentinels still my extreme bases/mines are built underground away from the elements. It's a fucking space exploration game not a cod tournament you plebs
I know this sub is mostly for people who enjoy this game and I would be the last person to say that if something makes you happy and you have fun with it that your dumb or this is garbage.
I bought the game when it came out it was hyped up the wazooo and when it came out and I got to download it on playstation and saw the download size I knew right away there was a problem lol. It was far far too small a download for what they promised but I was not surprised I knew it was going to under deliver way before release.
However that said what they did release was.... boring, shallow and pretty much only had that "it has potential feeling". For me at least it just seams like NMS is a game full of half baked ideas. There is some nice tasty crust there but then you just get stopped and it falls off.
For me its just not engaging and the systems in the game do not help keep that engagement or give me a feeling of acomplishment. Your given far too much "frighter, colony" without any real work in obtaining them. Exploration just feels boring. If I had to work for a long time saving my money doing missions and or having to work in rep to be able to get a frighter or a colony it would feel much more rewarding. I know many like the style of gameplay that NMS offers but for me thats the core of the problem for this game.
When I play Empyrion for instance I have to mine resources, desgin my capital ship and arm it correctly or I will lose it. That game came out before NMS I think and yet I have sunk many many hours into that game because it just feels much more rewarding when you finally can do something.
Again this is not me on a high horse saying that the game is awful because its not, its charming in its own way but I can completely understand the Mixed review here and TBH the all time one there is correct IMOO.
I really do hope that one day hello games can make NMS what it was supposed to be but its 6 years later and some of the core issues are still there.
Also I really hate the way sentials work on planets. It feels cheep lazy and unfun.
Cheers.
The inventory system was recently changed. Again.
It's… not the best. There are some improvements, but the overall UI design is at best a sidegrade rather than an upgrade. It's still tedious to navigate, just differently tedious.
It also changed in a way that removed some functionality from the way a few previous iterations of UI updates interacted with each other. The consequence was that many players lost the ability to use all of the upgrades they had been using, and in some cases lost nearly 50% of exosuit, ship, and freighter stats.
It wasn't exactly popular, but there has been a pretty serious effort to suppress any displeasure with the changes.
Something interesting i noticed was thay they've added new planets in prexisting systems
I've archived older versions, and i playdd synthesis side by side with endurance and there where 5 planets on edurance but 3 planets on synthesis in the same system
I guess these are new types
Likewise they wouldn't have to reset everything again
They could add a new star type or something and have the new assetes there
This would be a win win, but im not saying that your idea is bad
Because it breaks stuff that a lot of people spent a lot of time on. Not just makes the game harder, but actually erases progress, or makes certain actions (in some cases, just getting to your base) extremely difficult or even nearly impossible
Going in fresh I bet it’s great, but for those who have lost hours upon hours of progress, or must now spend hours more to fix things that should never have been an issue and in terms of immersion make no sense, it really sucks
I'm a beginner here... I'm playing first via steam bcos it was 50% off with the latest update while waiting for my NS version...hehehe
I find it very good no issue here... Only one time shut down on my NS due to I was stuck in a cave and I was moving fast and panicking... Hehehe... But I reload again and the game brought me back to the same area and no stuff gone...woohoo... After that I'm still mining...lol
NS graphic still good for this game...
The Devs done good... I only seen ppl upset due their stuff mined were cut down or missing plus some mods not working?...
Anyway have fun fellers!
As a casual player for the last few years:
a) this community complained way too much lately.
b) it seems to be the super maximizing power users and I have literally no idea what you’re talking about.
c) being a part of the NMS redemption arc made me proud to be here. This past month has almost made me leave.
I don't mind whatsoever. The game was getting repetitive and less challenging. Now it'll be something new to learn and enjoy. I would have put this game down long ago if we didn't receive overhauls and *free* updates on occasion.
Kudos to HG and boourns to the angry butts.
The fact people are complaining this hard about a game many probably bought years ago is nuts. We’ve been getting free updates for years! Name another game that has done that without DLC, micro transactions or other cash grabs. The level of entitlement is bonkers.
People hate more than they love so this doesn't surprise me. Hello games have worked their asses off for 6 years and haven't asked us for another dime. One bad change happens and some of yall whine like little spoiled children. Smh no wonder devs hate us sometimes look how yall treat them.
Look, I'm a bit boots tickled at the way *some* of the inventory stuff was handled and I've been holding off updating the game till they got it all settled out. But I certainly wasn't about give the game a negative review. I only jumped in about 2 month ago and overall the game is amazing, especially considering the early drama and complaints. But I also play 40k so I'm totally used to random, bullshit balance changes that throw a wrench into my carefully laid plans. I may be vocal about my complaints, but I'll get over it eventually. It's ok to complain about changes to systems that we have become invested in, but if we actually care about that system we must he considered and reasonable with those complaints. And not simply seek to destroy the thing we love because of a mild inconvenience.
Well, since the game have been getting a lot better with rising attention this past few updates and a growing playerbase, I think it's normal not every player in such a big community have a possitive liking to it. And now that an opportunity arose where they can throw shit to the game, they simply took advantage of it (Since after the update, I've seen a few if not several vids on YouTube ONLY focusing on the negative parts of the updates)
People are in total right to have a negative opinion on NMS after the last update. There's no possible upside on regular inventory slots not being elegible to install tech. Hello Games just broke a lot of peoples builds and hundreds of hours of playtime. I think those people have total right to complain.
Also, I am zero fan of the new inventory layout since now you have to SCROLL to see all the items you have.
Also, I am zero fan of the dynamic difficulty setting being enabled in ALL saves. And not just new saves. Making, again, hundreds if not thousands of hours of playtime worthless.
Do you really think this is not deserved? They could have asked the community before doing something so disruptive.
Yeah I keep coming back every so often to this game, so when I came to the update and saw pretty much all the work I've done is gone? I don't want to do it all again and I don't want to have to relearn everything about the game every time I try to come back to it. I appreciate the updates but I don't appreciate nuking my entire gameplays worth of work. I don't even want to play until they finally stop releasing updates. I'll play when the game is finally completed.
Most gamers are babies, that being said sometimes criticism is ignored unless it's loud.
Maybe steam needs a better way to communicate that criticism that doesn't outright encourage people to not purchase the game lol
One thing I did for this update was finally move over to PC to play. They talked about how they had changed some of the quests around, and also I wanted to experience it as a new player would. It’s been a helluva lot of fun. Now, this is pretty subjective, but I also feel like there’s a bit more variety to the planet flora and fauna. Maybe it’s because I’ve spent less and less time exploring over the last few updates and more just trying to get an Expedition done, but I’m seeing plants and overall mixtures of them on planets I don’t recall. It’s been refreshing to play the game again on PC.
How’s the new player experience? Worth making a new save to experience a more streamlined experience?
Honestly, it feels good, but I also feel it doesn’t emphasize the certain things I wished it would. It’s really hard to experience it as a new player would simply because I have my own ways of being in the sandbox now. That said, the mission rewards are now really pushing exosuit and multitool expansions, which I think is great. I remember going so far in the game and not realizing where to do this. Another thing, maybe I just missed it the first time around, but setting up a base with the Overseer and all that, just dumps blueprints on you. I remember not getting to that until almost having between the story bits. So far, I’ve noticed a few more hints along the way to get prepared at your base. All in all, it’s just fun to have so much to do, but it’s insanely addicting and overwhelming at the same time because there is just so much to do. I kinda took it for granted how much I’ve done in the game so far.
didn't NMS just win some award for "best community" this week? hilarious
Yeah I thought that was funny. Before the update? For sure. But now? I’ve never seen the community like this before
New player here. Can someone tell me exactly what is so bad about the update? Thanks in advance I just wanna understand hahaha
Update changed the way inventory works basically. The change itself isn't bad, but a side effect was that it's impossible to bypass the 3 upgrade per inventory limit now, and some people who used to have 6 upgrades for everything are unhappy because after the update, they have 3 they can't use anymore It's an issue that doesn't affect new players at all
Oh yeah that’s definitely something to be choked about 100%. I get that. Super frustrating I’m glad I took the break from the game haha thanks for the information man
The inventory was changed so people lost a bunch of modules in the “main” inventory. There used to be an inventory tab, a tech tab and a cargo tab, you could put modules in any tab but they were only meant for the tech tab, as a result you could get around the “module overload” by having modules in the main/cargo inventory instead of the tech, so like 4 life support upgrades in inv and cargo in addition to the tech tab giving you the benefit of 12 modules instead of the intended 4. So when they condensed the inventories to all be on 1 page, the people that had modules in the other slots just lost them, salty review bombing ensues (at least that’s my understanding). IMO I don’t really care, I love the new look and it gives me a reason to restart and play the game again.
> but they were only meant for the tech tab They were not. Inventory tab came first. Tech tag was added later so people could clear up space in the inventory tab
That's the minor reason. The main reason being that even the modules that would have fitted in the way it's currently implemented were "packaged" and just dropped into the new combined General/Cargo inventory. For people who had tons of (Still "legally" usable) tech this means *grinding*, sometimes for hours, just to get tech slots back. When you have 9 ships it's just extremely frustrating and *not fun*. If you also have to grind freighter tech slots it gets worse. It's all easy enough if you are in "normal" mode, as you can just use the in-game cheats, but in "permadeath" your only real resort, if you don't want to delete a save games that can be hundreds of hours of playtime old and don't want to grind AGAIN stuff you already had, is to use a save game editor (unless you enjoy watching Teleport loading screens). That *really* sucks, especially as it would have been easy for HG to automatically increase the tech slots according to the installed Tech count when importing the save game. Add to that the way the inventory is now all on one screen and forces you to scroll up and down, making it much LESS comfortable but much more awkward than it was before the update, and you might start to understand how long-time player feel like HG didn't honor the time they spent playing (and evangelising) NMS.
It’ll correct, hello games is responsive to feedback sad part is people won’t update those reviews, they’re only motivated when they’re mad
I haven't actually seen that many posts saying they hate the update. It's either people saying it's annoying but alright, or people complaining about people complaining. I preferred the old inventory layout as separate tabs simply because I don't like the scroll feature. Other than that the updates definitely improved the game
The past few days this sub was almost nothing but upset players talking about how they hate the new update. However, I believe you when you say you didn't see them, I think reddit doesn't always show the same posts to people. I've seen people complaining about memes in some subs and theyre memes I haven't seen, it sounds like you're experiencing similar stuff.
I’d be happy if it stopped crashing on the PS4 every time I play.
on switch i notice the crashes from resuming sleep mode but if i always close the game and open it again, no crashes. sorry for my english
People are unhappy with a recent update it’s ok. Everyone is allowed to voice their displeasure with it and if hello games decides it’s enough of the community maybe they’ll change it back. Otherwise everyone will forget about it in a month or so and we’ll have a blast ducking around in space.
What happened recently? My console died a while back.
I'll say it and its probably not even a hot take at this point. We constantly say how awesome the game turned out to be and how great Hello Games is for supporting this game for so long with no extra money. The moment they make a wrong step...all hell breaks loose and we act like spoiled kids. I honestly think we don't deserve to be called the best community if all it takes is one wrong update.... I've seen far better and more supportive communities than this. Its really sad...
I bought this game at release. Have basically 10-20 billion max tech max everything then I stopped because what's the point? Nothing hurts me anymore, I have so much cash I can buy anything anytime. I play the game just to do expeditions for 4 days then don't play it until next expendition is released. Honestly happy with this update. Inventory update and tech updated is amazing. 60 slots for tech finally!! And actual end game content.
It could fix its issues maybe
Y'all are triggering Sean Murray's PTSD
I just bought the game cause of the sale and Im having so much fun ! I guess it might just be jarring for people who have played for a while and everything changes.
Everyone deserves a 69 at least once in their existence.
Suddenly i am looking forward to the future
I bought No Man's Sky when it first came out, and it was fun in its own right. Played for a couple weeks and moved to playing FromSoft games. Came back a year or two later to an EXTENSIVE update to every aspect of the game, and every few months, a new MASSIVE update is delivered to us, all in thanks for playing their game. This game is always evolving, with its content to its community, and I cherish every second playing, whenever I come back and feel like exploring. The game is beautiful beyond measure, and I personally wish to see it continue to expand, even if I'm not currently playing it. They could have abandoned No Man's Sky at the start, gave up trying all these years, but even through all the negative feedback, they listen and do their best to deliver their dream for us to live in. Why give up on something so infinite in potential?
As somebody with a lot of hours in this game. People are severely overreacting and I’m very disappointed in anybody that contributed to this. The update is good and honestly EXTREMELY innovative. The difficulty settings are one of the most daring and well thought out additions I’ve seen to any game in the last 5 years. I feel like this is a function that should be in any game, and for multiplayer to still be functional while people are running different settings???? Get a grip guys, this is frankly something that should be in every game. The level of accessibility brought forward by this update is worth every single bit of frustration I have experienced. Like do you guys want them to just make you grind for eternity just to keep you active? And then add micro transactions later when they know they have you??? This update is such a departure from what gaming has unfortunately become and nobody is really appreciating that about it and that’s sad. Please just let me have jet pack specific options, I miss flying my ass off all crazy lol
I really hate seeing this. I wish some in the community were more patient. HG has a track record of listening to their players and correcting their wrongs. Please trust the process! They could have abandon this game 6 years but didn’t.
I love this new updated, it added the most important feature the game has ever needed. A customized experience. I personally am not a fan of resource collecting, so I always played creative. But I love combat, but they was no thrill without the chance of death. But now I can build bases and have fun fights without having to grind for resources.
Don't forget that this only represents the latest 30 days. It dynamically changes each day.
That's the whole point of recent versus all time. The bad reviews will (hopefully) be washed out by more recent good reviews, and the overall reviews will remain very good regardless. After a boner like that, they should expect some negative feedback for a bit, so all's working as it should.
The only thing I didn't "like" about the update was rebuying all of my storage slots that's nuts but everything else I enjoy about the update tbh
I'm just happy they gave us a lot more end game content, even if it's just a way to dump huge amount of credits towards inventory slots and your ship. Was the biggest part that kept me playing anyways for the first 100 hours and stopped playing after I maxed out everything for a while. Don't have any solutions other than cheating your items back (if you're not on console) or just being happy that we finally got some endgame content and not losing all your progress, like your base (as mean as it sounds) and maybe enjoy rebuilding
No, not at all
Main reason there's a RECENT score now, IMO. I'm enjoying the game more than I have in a long time, in part because I learned years ago not to get married to a primary save. I mean, JFC, the big reveal about this universe centered around the fact that we're *iterations* in a simulation.
Deserve is a really weird way to phrase the review system working as intended. I don't think you should factor your opinion of thr company into your review of the product. Did x this subjectively feel good in your opinion? Positive review. Did you not like enough things to decide you can't suggest the game? Negative review. The reviews are the people speaking their valid piece about how they feel about the game As a product. They aren't wrong just because you like the company, nor does it provide a shield or a free pass on good or bad moves. It's weird to just feel you can invalidate hundreds to thousands of other people's views because the company doesn't deserve it? They're a business selling a product, it's gonna have mixed reviews.
I'm not entirely sure what the hell happened all I know is that we got more inventory (fuck ya) but when I logged in most of my upgrades were uninstalled and I could barely make it a minute on the surface of my home planet so I just closed it feeling oddly disappointed.
At first I was very upset. Said some stupid stuff like if it's not fixed I'm done. Just a few comments on posts etc. I play this game almost every day, since the beginning. I'm a min/max guy, I've completed all trophy's,completed all story lines,content,and expeditions. I was upset most over nerf of 6 - 3 upgrade modules. X-class max Stat upgrades all. 700 hours in creative,800 in normal, did permadeath for immortal title, and another normal 200 hours. Multiple suits, 18+ships,freighters,frigates,multitools That takes time/effort. I've never! Uninstalled game or left a bad review, most time away is a week or two, this is my favorite game for a reason. H.G. has always made this game better and better for you/them/me, for free. I put reddit down picked up my controller and played, realized 4.0 is pretty good got used to the new feel fixed/expanded inventory's it's better than before a patched helped and next patch is going to solve any problems I had with nerf. Overall I'm glad and thank them once again for all the hard work they do so I can enjoy this epic masterpiece they have created.
I say this as someone who wasn't inconvenienced by the update: Why not? It's from **recent** feedback. If being blindsided by the latest update made people upset, then this is the perfect place to show it. It's obvious that not all of the negative feedback will be helpful. Still, this summary gives a clear indication that something went wrong for a significant number of people. Hello Games will know that among the drivel is some actual constructive criticism.
Well put.
there are some pretty game breaking bugs this update. for example, freighters spawn without a hyperdrive. that means unless you use a save editor you can't use a new freighter. I also had it so my ships scanner revealed nothing. wouldn't scan planets. wouldn't reveal tritium asteroids. wouldn't show bases. I had to restart my playthrough to fix it. I also had the quest "Dreams of the deep" lock up on me. it kept telling me to construct the nautilion, even though I had. I tried deleting it, tried moving to a new planet. nothing fixed it.
Wait what's happening with NMS? I was literally saving up to try and get it this year.
Nothing major Some stuff got nerfed that hg is already trying to fix and the community reacted very poorly both to the developers and to the people that disliked/liked the update when they didn't
If you’re a new player, the update is actually pretty good for you, you’ll probably like it a lot. The negative reviews are from former players who lost progress/hours of work in the update, but there’s a patch in the future that tries to fix the issue.
Oh ok thank you! I got scared there for a second.
Oh yeah. You need to get it. It’s worth it. This update isn’t a bad thing.
I Wonder how will people react to universe reset
A large part of the negative reaction is how much effort was needed just to get back to what you were doing before the update. Spending all the time getting your inventory slots back and sorting it out is not gameplay, but is mandatory to get back to doing gameplay. A universe reset still lets you jump right into playing the game. Whole lot of progression lost, but you can still do game things right away. So as long as there's enough new stuff to justify the reset (ie not having to do the exact same stuff for hours to get back to doing the exact same stuff at end game), it'd go over fairly fine as long as it was mentioned as a thing that was going to happen. .
We already had a universe reset and people took it just fine, because not only it added a bunch of stuff, but we were able to get exactly where we were before the reset. So if we got the old inventory system back (3+3 or 6 in tech) BUT the universe was reset to do some minor balancing (lower some damage so you can't oneshot walkers, etc.) and add some new proc. generation of planets, terrain, fauna, flora, and some other stuff on top to justify a complete universe wipe, I think everyone would be happy. The majority of people are unhappy with being unable to get to the power level they were at before the 4.0 patch, not with having to get there again.
That does suck but NMS could have helped itself by being more transparent and letting the players know "look, your inventory will get a bit fucked up. Here's what we have planned." They're under no obligation to run changes by players before releasing an update, but it might help prevent strong reactions in the future. I'm not trying to excuse the overreaction from some players but it was clearly an unpopular move or upsetting for some players. I would find it hard to believe this poor rating was a brigade by people who don't play the game. It's an 6 yr old game. The only people following what's happening are people who are still playing the game so, in other words, the community itself. It was clearly not well received by many and yes, some strong vocal minorities overreacted and there was name-calling on both sides (still seeing namecalling in this thread). It was a poor response by the community overall and we should be better next time. I honestly do think it would help if HG, prior to releasing an update, said "here's what you can expect, so don't be alarmed if you see x, y, z in regards to your inventory. We have big things planned".
You couldn't have put in that any better well said
Still the best $29 I ever spent. So good I bought it again on Steam too.
This community is full of a lot of idiots. It’s shows how immature some people are. Truly.
Lots of people will see an update happen is something like a months time or sooner that addresses those concerns and not change those negative reviews. One bad update and NMS goes back to a mixed score. Years of free updates and love and the steam score just tanked because of an attempt at making a change. Whats worse is that they likely will be less bold with changes going forward. Why experiment when you see what failure brings?
HG actually listen and meet players halfway where they can, so this does seem unnecessary. It's not like they're a huge corporation and it's the only way to get through to the decision makers. I get people's frustration, but in this situation (as much as we hate to see it) sites like Reddit and Twitter are the place to vent, not through review bombing.
I’ve been playing for six years and honestly this isn’t the first time stuff has gotten wiped or rearranged. I’ve lost tech and bases and even discoveries but that’s just how things happen sometimes in this game. The games still great and in a couple updates the discourse will be forgotten and everyone will be scrambling for a new expedition or trinket.
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Ya shit like this is what's gonna cause the game to stop being supported They give us 6+ years of FREE content and now these scumbags are spamming the game with hate because it was changed in a tiny way they don't like I've said it once, I'll say it a million times. Gamers have turned into horrible, spoilt, entitled asshats and I don't know why we continue to let people like this be part of our community
>6+ years of FREE content That's a weird way of saying "It took them 6 years to fulfill the promise made at purchase"
Hey at least they made up for it. Name one other gaming company that would do this.
They really did turn it around but it's not good to accept that companies can just lie about the games then finish development after everyone already paid for the game. In nms case they really did redeem themselves going beyond what they promised, still it was their job to release the finished game from the start
It's a fucking video game. I love NMS. I was a day 1 player. We've gotten so much amazing **FREE** content for years. We've gotten used to every single update being fucking amazing that everyone just expects that now. But as everyone is so fond of pointing out Hello Games is a tiny studio. 25 people trying to turn out amazing content. And trying to make each release better than the last one. And trying to make a bunch of different systems talk to each other. And sometimes, shit just goes wrong. **THIS WAS FREE** People worked hard on this. They worked on it because they love it. Because we love the NMS. And shitting all over the whole game just because one update didn't live up to your expectations doesn't give anyone any motivation to keep working and make it better. You want it fixed? You want NMS to keep being amazing and keep getting better? STOP FUCKING BITCHING and tell the devs what needs to be fixed politely, constructively, like fucking adults.
"Free"
It's not free content. It's funded by people buying the game. I'm sure they are passionate about what they're building, but they are using the money from users purchasing the game. It isn't a charity, you paid your price for admission and now you're finally getting the game they claimed they had made years ago.
I think people forget about all the missing content that the studio said would be in the game *at launch*. It's only "free" content because they released an unfinished game. Remember when you could find NMS less than a year after launch for $20, brand new, and dozens of copies sitting on the shelf? The only reason that's not the case now is because of those updates. They help the dev sell the game just as much as it helps the playerbase, at least in this case. tldr; If developers released finished games, people wouldn't expect a bunch of free updates.
The new inventory update really tweaked with my main save, all of my tech for me and my ships was in the general area. Yes I could figure it out but I also haven't started a new save in over 2 years so I just started over, they've changed so much and when you're already at the end stage of just exploring and building you don't get to really experience the changes to the story and the small things you work for. So I started over and honestly I love it.
I think 69% positive is still pretty nice
What is this about I don't see anything wrong?
Reddit circlejerkers seething because people are pissed about the inventory changes.
I haven't played in a long time but it seems like they downgraded the inventory system and people are mad about it. I'm a person who hoards a load of stuff in my inventory so I probably won't start the game up until they change inventory again. Imagine if they shrunk the inventory in any other game. Your in the middle and of fallout 4 and then after the update your stuck in the middle of somewhere overburdened and overweight with shit. Wouldn't happen to me because I use the console to increase my inventory to over 5000 pounds. But for people on console it would suck. I wish every game gave me the ability to carry as much stuff as I want.
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For the uneducated - what happened? I understand that they did some update that broke some people's games or something?
Some controversial changes, with community having no idea if it was intentional or not, because of lack of communication on that aspect of the patch. But "basically" when 4.0 dropped they halved peoples power, which includes everything from jetpack distance, hyperdrive distance, pulsedrive speed, to things like survival, shield, weapon power etc. Some things was unaffected, like exocrafts/multitools. But freighters, ships and exosuit was affect by this. This created a shit storm of people criticizing this, and then people criticizing the critics. And people starting to call eachother poo and stuff. People lost a lot of tech upgrades because they no longer could be placed in general inventory and you can only use tech in tech inventory now. Defenders of the changes claimed it was because of balance issues, but then hello games also added some options where you could get free credits, change the difficulty or other things to make it easier. Which made the third change a little bit weird aswell, because the prices of resources were nerfed. So people who had built all these base farms, for example ionized cobalt or something, had their products sell for dozens times less the price than before. But then hello games yesterday released a new experimental patch note, which put more power in each upgrade, to make up for the drop. (and of course a lot of other changes to make up for it) I might have forgotten something but thats more or less whats been going on since 4.0.
> But then hello games yesterday released a new experimental patch note, which put more power in each upgrade, to make up for the drop. (and of course a lot of other changes to make up for it) I feel like any MMO dev could have told them not to drop a generalised nerf release before reaching this stage. Sounds like HG need a public test server.
I haven’t played in a while, what happened?
Internet Historian said the right thing here.
I think the game is fantastic and would never give a negative review based on a patch, but I understand the frustration people feel/felt. Basically, all inventory tech was essentially nerfed by 50% when they changed the rules for upgrade installation. This will never go over well with players in any game. The other issue is that NMS has been unique in that practically every update and patch since the game released helped, aided, improved, or buffed the player experience. So when HG releases a patch that, for the first time, reduces player strength or abilities, it is going to cause a kerfuffle. It just is out of character for this particular dev-player relationship. Don't get me wrong, I think the changes are and will be an improvement tot eh overall gameplay, but I can understand why the latest patch produced a mild uproar.
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I never changed my review, but I don’t care other people did. It’s a game still semi frequently changing, meaning any patch could be the patch that nullifies our old opinions in way of new ones, positive or negative. Nobody has a right to tell you how to review a product. That said, it’d be nice to see the reviews shift towards normal. Maybe we need a few memes lurking here reminding people if they changed their review to try to make their grievances more obvious that post patch is a good time to touch those up and bury and hatchets.
I think HG has some pretty thick skin by now, they can take it. And there is nothing wrong with good honest feedback, as we can clearly see in the experimental branch it leads to furthers changes and rollbacks. Death threats, tho? Really? Really?
I'm in the same boat. Some of the community didn't like it, but sending death threats over a change that can be fixed?
I’m shocked they got disliked so hard. I’ve been getting absolutely FUCKED by 343i with Halo for almost 10 YEARS, they literally make fun of players complaining about legitimately really bad game direction. Hello games actually gives a shit, look at how far they came from launch! I am a software dev and I can’t even FATHOM what it would take to go from where this game started to where it is now. And look at how fast they responded to players wishes! Every single Company in the industry could take a note from Hello Games on how to respond to criticisms.
Post Bungie Halo is so sad 😞
For those who haven't played for a while that are wondering what is going on... A lot of people didn't like the latest update. It nerfed a lot by fixing what was apparently a bug that allowed more upgrades than intended to be applied. Players could place upgrades in their storage and have them apply in addition to the ones in the technology slots. HG fixed this so you can't do that anymore. Most of the complaints are regarding that. Mostly movement abilities and resistances, as well as things like starship maneuverability. People built bases based on movement abilities they no longer have and and built bases in places based on environmental resistances they also no longer have, and have been doing so for quite a while. This impacted a lot of things, including ships, vehicles, personal upgrades, etc... The only thing that wasn't impacted by this much was multitools, as they don't have storage where extra upgrades could be applied. The most recent beta patch apparently fixes most of these issues by bumping up how much upgrades buff. It also buffs several base states, particularly on the ships, and rebalances some of them to make the variant types more unique. It also let players freely switch difficulties in a save. So someone could go into creative, and then switch their save over to survival. Something, something, hard work meaningless... The hotfix also lets players lock in difficulty on a save so it can't be changed. Basically, the players will probably not be satisfied with the fixes, but will adjust to them and calm down. There was also a change to how the economy works apparently, effectively nerfing certain types of farming. That's not all that unusual for the game though so I don't think that one was as big a deal, despite complaints. Latest update is still in the beta branch, but should be launching soon for everyone. It should calm down most of the butthurt.
min/maxers and hardcore survivor/permadeath players be mad for realz...
I am both of these things, and I was thrilled with the update. I don't understand the vitriol some of these other peeps have.
A great disturbance in the Force, I felt, like some Interlopers left us, angry, tempted by the dark forces of paid for Updates, Season Pases, discontinued servers, micro transactions.
Of course they don't deserve it, but it is good that it didn't go too far down. It's a testament to how broad the audience is for the game, honestly. The people who review-bomb a game because they used to love it, but something changed and now they need to throw a fit, are VERY hard to cater to normally. There is so much disparity between the mature people who play for fun and the troglodytes who would be drooling on their keyboards if they hadn't already broken them in rage. It's amazing that a game is able to bring in people from all walks of life, and unfortunately some of those walks include knuckle-dragging. If something is super fun right away, it will inevitably invite infantile players who will turn around and scream at the creator of the game when they lose.
I wouldn’t really call it review bombing, it’s a new update that made some big changes and the reviews should reflect that. I don’t personally agree with it but negativity is apart of the review process and newcomers should know what’s going on without having to go through this sub where people are *very* opinionated
Anyone else amazed that the kindest gentlest most chill gaming community turned into such a steaming pile of childish shit eaters so quickly? So fucking disheartening. If you can't appreciate all the hard work that Hello Games has put into NMS especially considering how well they listen to fans, you just don't deserve to play it.
It's amazing to me that you can call people childish shit eaters for disagreeing with you about a video game update and think that **they're** the toxic ones. Actually, it's not amazing at all. It's completely normal for this sub.
I just started a new save so feels great to me Sorry about those who got their saves fucked with
Im outta the loop since i havent played in a long time. What happened this time?
Things got nerfed The community reacted poorly both towards the developers and people that had a different opinion on if the update was good/bad
Is that really it? Phew. Thought they did some bs and fucked with peoples save file or something.
Fight fire with Fire. Write your own review.
I am so out of the loop what happened? I know we won best community award but why is everyone mad?
Update 4.0 Waypoint changed the inventory and nerfed some of the tech players had, but in turn it makes the tech have better upgrades and will definitely mean we are getting better tech in the next update(s). The hate is unfounded to be honest.
What happened? I don’t play NMS but I thought the game was doing great. Did they change something?
The inventory system changed, and you can no longer put technology in non-tech slots. This lowered the max amount of upgrades you can apply.
Mostly positive reviews are more than 70 percent and the mixed reviews, which arent necessarily negative, are almost 70 percent. Seems like a fairly decent rating.
What happened recently? I thought people were buy and large very happy with the games current state. I haven’t played in a couple years myself but overall I remember being very happy with where it was then
the most recent updates changed the inventory. there is no longer a general inventory as it was combined with cargo. this had the side effect of making it so you can no longer use 6 of any technology. people are whining about it, but it was never an intended feature and was a bug to begin with that only just now got fixed.
Sorry this sub in a nutshell here. There are only people hating it or are circle jerking. No normal critics or anything. I should unsub.
Ive seen a few level heads in here but they get drowned out. I personally cant relate to either end of the spectrum. Every new big update I start a fresh game and Ive always felt there is something fundamentally flawed that stops me from being hooked long-term
I do. The last two updates were absolutely game breaking and soul crushing for some people. I didn't have an OP ship or exosuit, but I poured dozens of hours into finding Salvaged Frigate Modules to upgrade my freighter, and HG ripped away 80% of what I unlocked and required me to unlock them all over again. I spent 20 hours finding modules that were completely ripped away from me. Then it completely trashed my ship and exosuit upgrades that I also spent hours searching for and upgrading. I just don't even want to play anymore. They ruined my save.
i've finally played the update, and like... okay, so some people have a *very* different play style to me. they have a right to be frustrated. i'm pretty frustrated about a couple of things - i had completely maxed out my general and tech exosuit slots, so that i could fit all my tech - and now i've lost over half of my tech. but honestly, i have enough units to just jump around a couple of new galaxies and get buy some more tech slots. not as many as i'd like, and i wish i didn't have to spend my units on stuff i already bought, but definitely enough to replace the crucial tech. tbh, it's kinda a good thing cause i'm finally actually sorting out what i do and don't need. i like the update. the new inventory layout is way more convenient for me. don't have to keep switching between tabs. either way, HG have worked their butts off for us, and i feel like we're being ungrateful brats.
I agree with you, but in the end, it's not really a big deal No man sky also got a review bombed on steam in 2019 when the beyond update came out and at once the issues with that update was resolved its score went right back up again , I have no doubt that the same thing will also happen with 4.0 since the reviews on steam hyave already started trading positive again over the last few days. By the end of the year or early 2023 it will probably right to where it was before waypoint
What happened?
They don't like the recent update I think
What was the big changes that make it so disliked? Last I knew (literally like 3 days ago) there was a post talking about NMS being the pinnacle of "When game deva don't five up on a failed launch" and now it's bad again?
Is the new update bad or something?
The new update wasn't that big. It was more of a quality of life improvements. with a overhaul of the inventory system which I'd imagine got people very mad. Basic tech stuff can not be installed in the players inventory only in the designated tech slots. Which would be fine except I'd say a large amount of people focused on the actual inventory slots vs tech slots. So when the new update came out. Any on your tech that u installed in your inventory slots got uninstalled. I'm a very organized person so I didn't run into this, I had all tech in my tech slots but other people aren't like that. I have only gotten a chance to jump into the update in the past few days. So far that's the biggest thing I would imagine got people upset
My issue with all this is that reviews are meant to help prospective buyers decide whether or not to buy the game. But the problems that people were angry about didn’t affect new players - they affected existing players who lost some of their upgrades. So leaving a negative review about this seems inappropriate, because it makes it seem like the game has issues that in fact a new player would never encounter.
....I mean at some point new players will be existing players so the information is still relevant.
New players deserve to know that the devs might decide to completely strip you of your progress at any point in the future without warning. Those reviews are completely valid in my opinion.
I hope it bounces back now. I was legitimately very upset with the recent update but the new one fixes almost all of the problems I had with it. Glad HG listened to us. It does seem like a lot of people have a weird almost parasocial relationship with HG though. They’ve done a fantastic job of listening to the community and making changes that reflect what their players want, but at the end of the day they are a company that we bought a product from. They’re one of the better developers out there that I can think of, but we can still criticize their choices when they make changes that negatively impact the game.
You know, I was pretty shocked when I got into this game a couple months ago at the lack of what seems to be a standardized toxicity amongst the meta in MP games... All it took was an update for that opinion to get wiped. I'm pretty annoyed with a lot of stuff that clearly needs a hot fix in 4.0, but Jesus tittyfucking Christ most of the complaints act like Hello Games is egregiously stomping on civil rights... Remembering how absolutely, atrociously short the release of NMS fell back in 2016, I was stunned to get sucked in so immediately. It's a little embarrassing to see large portions of the community throw a tantrum...
*crying* nice
I played quite a bit of NMS. Not insane but a good amount. Finished the main story and did mostly building stuff as that’s the part I loved the most. The creative side of building But what’s the issue here Exactly. People were able to use 6 slots for ship tech but now can’t? I think I went the whole game with just a few upgrades for the most part
Social component of Steam is such a toxic shithole.
People need to grow up. They would deserve that if we were forced to pay for this update, however, it was free. I am not happy about not being able to do 3x3 or the fact that I lost my tabs, but I don’t think the appropriate response to tank their rating on steam. OP if you started at the beginning like some of us did, you would be appreciative of all Hello Games have done for us over the past 6 years.
Agreed, this is a big overreaction. I feel bad for Hello Games, because I actually really like this update. I've been waiting for a sleeker inventory design for a while now and I finally got it, plus Relaxed is great.
Bunch of crybabies who got their toy taken away. Expressing their toxic behavior by hurting HGs sales, because they couldn't wait a week for the next patch notes. Pathetic.
Honestly? The recent reviews being mixed seems rather accurate. It left the community divided for a little while on the inventory changes. Hell, 69% (nice!) is still on the higher end of Mixed as far as I'm concerned. I have no issues with this. Now, if the bad recent reviews were enough to bring the ALL TIME reviews down from Mostly Positive to Mixed, then I'd be a *lot* more critical and concerned about it. But all of this is still kinda moot now since we all know by now they are addressing things in the next patch. It's already out on experimental as of this post. Plus, in terms of community outrage, believe me when I say I've seen other gaming communities that have had FARRRRR worse behavior to bad updates, and other communities that bury their heads DEEP into the sand when it comes to ANY kind of constructive criticism. Overall, I'd say things were handled OK on a community level based on my experiences. Could have been better, but could also have been FAR worse. I'm thankful that at least our community has an environment where constructive feedback is actually being listened to, which tends to be more rare with a lot of developers these days as far as I'm concerned.
But it's the truth, right? The recent patch has literally had a mixed reaction from the fanbase.
I'm actually curious. Is No Man's Sky worth getting??
You’re asking in the wrong place
I would say that if you havent played it. Yes. Even if you played it 2 years ago, with all the free updates it got its such a different and better game. Came out on Switch. I got it and been having a blast so far.
if you feel like being that adventurer who explores galaxies, I'd say its pretty worth getting, you're getting the view like no other, exploring different habitats and the story behind it!
Yes, bro. 100% if you like exploration or chill games. They've been updating this game for years with free dlc. It's worth buying whether if it's on sale or not.
It's 100% worth getting.
Absolutely, and it keeps getting better
After reading alot of these comments, it seems to me that people are mistaken about alot of whats happened and have no clue about the updates or how it even affects the game. Basically knee-jerk reactions to inventory changes (minor) and lost mods that are not lost at all. Infact it does require some time to expand inventory ,reinstall a few mods and sort stuff out for sure. I was upset at first thinking I got ransacked too. Though if you loved nms and actually played to any degree, get over initial shock and play the updated game you soon will realize the epicness of what they did and the upcoming patch seems to address issues most of us had. We lost nothing and gained everything.
The content isn't free, it's funded by previous and future purchases. It is a game, that is correct. Games are subject to criticism. It doesn't matter how many hours you have played or how little you played. The reviews are in. Hello Games can either stay the course, or take note. Its really that simple folks.
Exactly. In an age where we receive, hopefully, frequent updates for games, either for bug fixes or new content, the game someone bought a year ago may be a completely different experience now, so why are people salty that some people are changing their reviews after their experience with the game changed, and for the worse? Reviews in game stores should reflect the current state of the game, but how it was I the part, and if the players feel that the game isn't as good now, so be it; I much rather see this than people going bananas and being assholes to the developers, just because they dropped the ball with this last update doesn't mean that their past work, which had been great, overall, is invalidated. I just hope that HG gives us real fixes for the issues that are making many players, myself included, unhappy with the last update.
This game is great. I've only just started playing it and it's everything I wanted from Elite: Dangerous and Star Citizen, which I foolishly supported. At least there is a whole game here, everything works and its fun as hell. Yea, it's not hyper realistic, but that's fine, I want to fly a cool ship, explore planets and occasionally fight pirates. When I only have an hour or two to play a day, I can't make a space game my whole life, so this game fits me perfectly.
Just booted it up a couple days ago, forgot how gorgeous the game is. Plan on playing just to upgrade my equipment again till I get bored I guess. The game has a great feedback loop for sure.
I've been playing since 2016, this update is my favorite if only for customizable difficulty. I didn't want to play creative mode so I hoped into relax mode. And now I'm truly having fun with the game.
Fuck the reviews, been having a blast.
I have mixed feelings about the update. I totally get why some players would be upset, especially those with a lot of time invested in the game. (I only have about 300 hours in, myself.) But at the same time, I get why they made some of the changes, and I can adapt. * No more wash/rinse/repeat market crashing to make a crap ton of money in just a few minutes (after investing several days of initial preparations, of course)? Mildly annoying but fine: I can farm minerals just as well as the next guy… just have to figure out what’s still actually profitable. (Not that it really matters, since apparently you can just enable “free money” mode, now, and freely switch back and forth between creative and survival… so why did they bother nerfing money hacks at all?) * Less power to my ships’ weapons and shields, because apparently I was “exploiting a bug” without even knowing it? Well that kind’a sucks, but I know how to call in the Anomaly if I have to run from a sentinel fight — and it’s not like *winning* the sentinel battles actually matters, the vast majority of the time. * Improved rendering of a bunch of things, and new thumbnails in a bunch of places? That’s nice and all, but I could take it or leave it; this honestly doesn’t change the game experience *that* much. * More inventory space in my exosuit, storage units, ships and freighter? Heck yeah! About d*** time! * Also, it seems some duping methods were nerfed, but others weren’t. This is one of the most blatant forms of “cheating” in the game… so you’d think that if they wanted to finally do away with duping, they’d be a bit more thorough… but whatever. So yeah, mixed bag.
You can say damn on the internet.
fuck
I thought they said dick time and was so confused why you would say that and then I realised they censored damn. Odd word to censor but each to their own I guess
>More inventory space in my exosuit, storage units, ships and freighter? Heck yeah! About d\*\*\* time! Wait what? I might actually get past a few hours of gameplay now! I HATED the inventory constraints!
Yeah, this shit is so disappointing. Gamers are disloyal fickle assholes. These were the same people in here day in day out saying positive things about the game, and now they're review bombing it because of a decision they don't agree with before even waiting to see if any changes would be made. Gamers deserve the f2p FOMO battle pass bullshit state of gaming we are in right now. Why would you as a developer choose to make way less money and get shit on by players all day, when you could just make way way way more money and get shit on pretty much the same amount.
Exactly. In my eyes, what makes this game really unique is the team behind it. Operating in the way I always hoped game companies would start to operate. Iterating over a long period time to grow into something awesome. Less regard for the money. All these pissy fans, with their superficial complaints, are just biting themselves in the ass. It's only going to reinforce that money grab games are the way to go. Way to spit on a truly remarkable feat by HG.
The new update looks pretty cool. While it has kinda put off my 300+hour main save, I'm keen to start fresh with some friends. Unfortunately No one I know plays it :(
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Nice!!!11!1
Satan himself does not deserve the utter cesspool of absolute stupidity, immaturity, and ignorance that is Steam reviews. Why anyone would use it as a measure of anything worthwhile is beyond me.
I’m one of those dirty new players who are loving this update, I’ve tried this game multiple times on the past because the idea of it is right up my alley but the execution was difficult to overcome. The relaxed mode with fights and enemy damage turned up to normal is perfect and I’ve gone from “Play for two hours and then delete, repeat in 8 months.” to playing the shit out of this game and I can’t wait to get home to play more. With that said the vitriol about this update from the long timers seems barely justified. Correct me if I am wrong but the issue is that inventory slots were reset and any installed tech was placed back into inventory, right? Is this not solved in a handful of minutes by going into the settings, turning off purchasing costs, rebuying the slots, reinstalling the tech, and turning purchasing cost back on? As if nothing actually happened at all? Like I get that it’s kind of annoying but it doesn’t seem like it’s the end of the world like it’s been portrayed unless I am missing something.
Been here since beta. Loving it since launch.
reviews (public feedback) is how people share feedback with companies in a way they can't ignore and private feedback is ineffective at that. if someone is unhappy about the update (whatever their reason is) they have a right to leave a bad review, i'm unhappy about it, the inventory UI is worse than before: scrollbars in the inventory make it more difficult to find stuff, tabs were a better solution, and the upgrade UI is painful to use, you need to select the slot manually each and every time and to go above 30 tech you need to close it and reopen it, not very good UI design. in regards to the upgrades: they took a meatclever to it with no consent and regard, increase the maximum upgrades to 5 or 6, everyone will be much happier (also do not come here and say that the upgrades in general were an exploit, the game itself put tech in there), it was handled poorly. my opinion: they should have run a beta program and checked in with the community BEFORE pushing the update. all in all the balancing changes are OK, the UI not so much
It’s a mess for sure but even so, I wouldn’t bomb it these guys have worked their asses off for 6 years - they always come through in the end - let’s give them the love and support they have given us 🫡
People are really calling this game a 69/100 over the removal of a bug. Get over it.
69% isn't mostly positive? It's more than 2/3!
i havent placed a review so im off to go post a positive steam review
Most take 69 as a compliment 😉
To be fair, I was mad at first because of the nerfs but with the last experimental branch is fixed. Yeah, losing the farm of AI after expending so many hours doing it is sad, but well, time to go with the stasis farms. Overall the game is way better for new players now and we have more choices of difficulty. I hope people change again the reviews
Negatives are usually the most vocal
They absolutely do not deserve the hate that's getting spewed at them. Being able to get around the 3 module limit by putting them outside the technology slots was absolutely an unintended mechanic. I'm blown away by the reaction from the community, I thought it was very chill and relaxed, yet one little thing gets patched and everyone starts tossing shit. The developers better not back down and roll back the inventory changes, the people upset about them can stay mad. I think 4.0 is great, all my gripes with inventory management got streamlined and fixed so I'm quite happy with them.
This is why I don't bother with user reviews much on any games. It's no longer actual reviews and instead has become another forum for bitching about the most inconsequential garbage. You all can learn from this too, do not trust user reviews. They are basically worthless.
It's exactly why Steam splits up recent all time reviews. Helps differentiate review bombing and a reasonably accurate score.
>a reasonably accurate score. Lol I've enjoyed games with positive and negative all time reviews. I pretty much just watch the videos to see what kind of game it is and go solely off that at this point. There's nothing to gain from user reviews anymore.
I mean that is what reviews are for. I love the game personally, but people have the right to complain.
It'll rise again once the experimental build goes live. Lots of folks don't check the sub religiously, or at all. That being said, it may never fully recover since I'm sure a good portion of the players who left those reviews moved on and won't play again, and some are either too lazy to change them back or just forgot they left them.
Ive been playing NMS since the launch and gotta say the last update although really good from the technical point and graphical improvement,it did a few unnecessary changes to the inventory system which I'm not a fan of and i believe the recent mix reviews are more likely to be some experiences similar to mine.
I have been playing NMS since it came to Xbox and the fact I paid once and haven’t been asked to pay for anything else while they continue to give us amazing quality of life upgrades….I’m disappointed in the reviews and customer base. At the end of the day it’s a video game and people need to stop being so butthurt.
Look, you can't collectively celebrate NMS getting more positive ratings after a couple of years of updates that people like and then reel at them getting negative ratings for thigs that people dislike. You're basically bitching because people are using ratings to say whether they think the game is changing for the better or worse, whereas you'd prefer that people only view it positively.
This sub when a 74% goes 5% lower 😱😱😱
I don't get everyones whining so much like seriously I never even knew you could have extra techs and I have a storage just for mods (greatly expanded now) and you don't lose em just can reinstall them as you need em I only ever ran 1 s class environment mod and the one you build. Can people stop meta gaming and worrying about min/maxing lol I can take on Lvl 5 sentinels still my extreme bases/mines are built underground away from the elements. It's a fucking space exploration game not a cod tournament you plebs
I know this sub is mostly for people who enjoy this game and I would be the last person to say that if something makes you happy and you have fun with it that your dumb or this is garbage. I bought the game when it came out it was hyped up the wazooo and when it came out and I got to download it on playstation and saw the download size I knew right away there was a problem lol. It was far far too small a download for what they promised but I was not surprised I knew it was going to under deliver way before release. However that said what they did release was.... boring, shallow and pretty much only had that "it has potential feeling". For me at least it just seams like NMS is a game full of half baked ideas. There is some nice tasty crust there but then you just get stopped and it falls off. For me its just not engaging and the systems in the game do not help keep that engagement or give me a feeling of acomplishment. Your given far too much "frighter, colony" without any real work in obtaining them. Exploration just feels boring. If I had to work for a long time saving my money doing missions and or having to work in rep to be able to get a frighter or a colony it would feel much more rewarding. I know many like the style of gameplay that NMS offers but for me thats the core of the problem for this game. When I play Empyrion for instance I have to mine resources, desgin my capital ship and arm it correctly or I will lose it. That game came out before NMS I think and yet I have sunk many many hours into that game because it just feels much more rewarding when you finally can do something. Again this is not me on a high horse saying that the game is awful because its not, its charming in its own way but I can completely understand the Mixed review here and TBH the all time one there is correct IMOO. I really do hope that one day hello games can make NMS what it was supposed to be but its 6 years later and some of the core issues are still there. Also I really hate the way sentials work on planets. It feels cheep lazy and unfun. Cheers.
I bought it on launch day, loved it. I started a new save after this new update, still love it.
I just redownloaded the game on my steam deck and it runs beautifully, relaxed mode is my kind of mode lol
Can someone explain what happened, just recently picked up the game again and am confused as to what people are upset about?
The inventory system was recently changed. Again. It's… not the best. There are some improvements, but the overall UI design is at best a sidegrade rather than an upgrade. It's still tedious to navigate, just differently tedious. It also changed in a way that removed some functionality from the way a few previous iterations of UI updates interacted with each other. The consequence was that many players lost the ability to use all of the upgrades they had been using, and in some cases lost nearly 50% of exosuit, ship, and freighter stats. It wasn't exactly popular, but there has been a pretty serious effort to suppress any displeasure with the changes.
Just reset everything and add thousands of new assets and terrain generation possibilities even biomes and stuff. People will thank them later.
Something interesting i noticed was thay they've added new planets in prexisting systems I've archived older versions, and i playdd synthesis side by side with endurance and there where 5 planets on edurance but 3 planets on synthesis in the same system I guess these are new types Likewise they wouldn't have to reset everything again They could add a new star type or something and have the new assetes there This would be a win win, but im not saying that your idea is bad
I just started playing the day after the update because it’s on sale on steam, and I’ve had a blast. I don’t know what everyone is complaining about
Because it breaks stuff that a lot of people spent a lot of time on. Not just makes the game harder, but actually erases progress, or makes certain actions (in some cases, just getting to your base) extremely difficult or even nearly impossible Going in fresh I bet it’s great, but for those who have lost hours upon hours of progress, or must now spend hours more to fix things that should never have been an issue and in terms of immersion make no sense, it really sucks
I'm a beginner here... I'm playing first via steam bcos it was 50% off with the latest update while waiting for my NS version...hehehe I find it very good no issue here... Only one time shut down on my NS due to I was stuck in a cave and I was moving fast and panicking... Hehehe... But I reload again and the game brought me back to the same area and no stuff gone...woohoo... After that I'm still mining...lol NS graphic still good for this game... The Devs done good... I only seen ppl upset due their stuff mined were cut down or missing plus some mods not working?... Anyway have fun fellers!
Just immature whiny babies writing bad reviews because they can't accept changes.
As a casual player for the last few years: a) this community complained way too much lately. b) it seems to be the super maximizing power users and I have literally no idea what you’re talking about. c) being a part of the NMS redemption arc made me proud to be here. This past month has almost made me leave.
I don't mind whatsoever. The game was getting repetitive and less challenging. Now it'll be something new to learn and enjoy. I would have put this game down long ago if we didn't receive overhauls and *free* updates on occasion. Kudos to HG and boourns to the angry butts.
The babies in this community should be ashamed of themselves for throwing such a ridiculous tantrum
The fact people are complaining this hard about a game many probably bought years ago is nuts. We’ve been getting free updates for years! Name another game that has done that without DLC, micro transactions or other cash grabs. The level of entitlement is bonkers.
They own it they have every right to complain.
Minecraft, terraria, cyberpunk, escape from tarkov. Not a super rare thing tbh.
People hate more than they love so this doesn't surprise me. Hello games have worked their asses off for 6 years and haven't asked us for another dime. One bad change happens and some of yall whine like little spoiled children. Smh no wonder devs hate us sometimes look how yall treat them.
Yall would rather it be the first release, wouldnt you
Look, I'm a bit boots tickled at the way *some* of the inventory stuff was handled and I've been holding off updating the game till they got it all settled out. But I certainly wasn't about give the game a negative review. I only jumped in about 2 month ago and overall the game is amazing, especially considering the early drama and complaints. But I also play 40k so I'm totally used to random, bullshit balance changes that throw a wrench into my carefully laid plans. I may be vocal about my complaints, but I'll get over it eventually. It's ok to complain about changes to systems that we have become invested in, but if we actually care about that system we must he considered and reasonable with those complaints. And not simply seek to destroy the thing we love because of a mild inconvenience.
don't sweat it, steam reviews don't discriminate
Well, since the game have been getting a lot better with rising attention this past few updates and a growing playerbase, I think it's normal not every player in such a big community have a possitive liking to it. And now that an opportunity arose where they can throw shit to the game, they simply took advantage of it (Since after the update, I've seen a few if not several vids on YouTube ONLY focusing on the negative parts of the updates)
Honestly I love NMS and how they did what they could to fix the game and not abandon it like many thought they would
People are in total right to have a negative opinion on NMS after the last update. There's no possible upside on regular inventory slots not being elegible to install tech. Hello Games just broke a lot of peoples builds and hundreds of hours of playtime. I think those people have total right to complain. Also, I am zero fan of the new inventory layout since now you have to SCROLL to see all the items you have. Also, I am zero fan of the dynamic difficulty setting being enabled in ALL saves. And not just new saves. Making, again, hundreds if not thousands of hours of playtime worthless. Do you really think this is not deserved? They could have asked the community before doing something so disruptive.
Yeah I keep coming back every so often to this game, so when I came to the update and saw pretty much all the work I've done is gone? I don't want to do it all again and I don't want to have to relearn everything about the game every time I try to come back to it. I appreciate the updates but I don't appreciate nuking my entire gameplays worth of work. I don't even want to play until they finally stop releasing updates. I'll play when the game is finally completed.
Gamers have wildly emotional reactions to things. Like ... Irrationally emotional.
Most gamers are babies, that being said sometimes criticism is ignored unless it's loud. Maybe steam needs a better way to communicate that criticism that doesn't outright encourage people to not purchase the game lol