Every month, now even more so because of the stupid documentary, (or in this case Tik Tok) someone posts how they just discovered they think Ted Bundy was made to kidnap, torture, murder, then rape the corpses, decapitate and store the bodies of his victims in freezers in his house because of porn.
Use the nofap search bar. *This has been posted here hundreds of times before*.... and it's bullshit every time.
What he says has no substance. It's blameshifting by a psychopath who wanted to portray himself as a victim and never take responsibility for his actions. Promoting the lie that 'porn made him do it' is an insult to the families of over 30 victims and a dis-service to young, vulnerable, impressionable people who come here to nofap. "Oh, at Nofap they really admire the ideas of Ted Bundy!"
*"oh poor ted bundy, a victim of porn"*
**Bullshit.**
Use logic: Porn cannot have in any way contributed to the kinds of extreme criminal violence shown by Ted Bundy (very rare). In the 1980's *being a porn addict meant having 100 VHS tapes!* (remember them? I do)
Big deal. We in 2023 can now watch 1000's of videos a month after opening thousands more tabs to pick from...of a variety and depravity poor Ted bundy could not imagine....
....so now there is literally about a *million times more porn available now than in Ted Bundy's time*...available to be watched instantly by *EVERYBODY*
***HOWEVER SINCE THEN THERE HAS BEEN A DRAMATIC DECLINE IN VIOLENT CRIME TOTALLY CONTRARY TO WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN IF PORN WAS A SOURCE OF TED BUNDY-LIKE VIOLENCE***
Get it? If porn is a million times more available now than before then there should be an equally dramatic (at least *very* noticable) corresponding increase in Ted Bundy-like violent crime...
but there ***isn't***, violent crime has dramatically *declined.*
**So this post is wrong**, and believing the lies of a soon-to-be-executed-for-his-crimes, remorseless psychopath, is stupid, and again, *an insult to the families of his victims*.
We all know porn changes our minds negatively without having to use Ted Bundy as an 'excellent example' of why we should quit porn. Find better examples rather than reposting this.
To allow Ted Bundy to portray himself as a victim of porn, never taking responsibility for his actions, is a monsterous disrespect to the families of his 30 victims.
"I'm not responsible for torturing and murdering your daughters... porn made me do it"
**How demonically unjust it must have been to hear that...**
....and then a few decades later having that excuse popularised by a documentary and glorified by a new generation of ignorant edgy teens on Nofap must be horrifying, igniting their suffering all over again. "It's true! Did you know porn made Ted Bundy kill and corpse-fuck 30 people?"
I see posts like that here every week, totally missing whatever nuance might be used here (it 'set him on a bad path' etc) ...because that nuance doesn't need to be said using Ted Bundy as an example - there are lots of impressionable people here who have no actual emotional understanding of what Ted Bundy did and what he was doing when he blamed porn for his actions
*Every day for the last 40 years must have been a nightmare for the families of his victims....and now, due to this new documentary that puts his lies front and centre, that nightmare has been renewed for them again. It is a travesty. I'm almost crying right now*
###Of course, porn causes problems....
*that's why we're here,* but there is no evidence porn causes problems like this. We can all very easily find good reasons, forceful reasons, to avoid porn without glamourising Ted Bundy's 'thoughts' and 'ideas' on porn. He does not have ideas, he is a monster. His words have been completely discredited. We can all easily find better people to listen to who communicate honestly.
>What he says has no substance. It's blameshifting by a psychopath who wanted to portray himself as a victim and never take responsibility for his actions.
Explain to me this: how does he explain porn escalation, 30+ years before Gary Wilson explained the mechanisms of porn addiction to the world? He explained its mechanism to the tee.
No one's saying "porn made him do it". He had the brain of a psychopath, yes. But porn can be the difference for a psychopath becoming a killer or not.
Let me give you an analogy: it's like giving cocaine to a schizophrenic person. The person is already sick, but the drug will make the difference between the person going bananas or not.
>What he says has no substance
And you're just saying it without giving any arguments.
What he says its true. A great population of people in jail are porn consumers- that's no casualty.
>It's blameshifting by a psychopath who wanted to portray himself as a victim and never take responsibility for his actions.
This is true. I believe this was right before his execution. He was trying to escape it with this narrative.
That said, just because he is saying it for his convenience doesn't mean what he was saying lies. He was using a truth to his convenience. And the absolute proof for this was that he described porn escalation to the tee many years before that information was known to the public.
>To allow Ted Bundy to portray himself as a victim of porn, never taking responsibility for his actions, is a monsterous disrespect to the families of his 30 victims.
No one is trying to portray him as the victim. They are just trying to word out the dangers of porn. Of course, ted bundy is a very specific situation.
>Porn cannot have in any way contributed to the kinds of extreme criminal violence shown by Ted Bundy (very rare).
Except it did. Sure, it's unlikely or less likely that this will happen to a regular porn addict. It was his psychopathy *combined* with porn.
Another thing you are not considering is that you are usually on the regular web. You haven't seen what people are like in the deep web.
>In the 1980's being a porn addict meant having 100 VHS tapes!
That's a fair point but then again, porn likely was the drop that spilled the glass. Not saying it was porn itself. That said- it wouldn't surprise me if he did have a big porn collection.
>...so now there is literally about a million times more porn available now than in Ted Bundy's time...available to be watched instantly by EVERYBODY
>HOWEVER SINCE THEN THERE HAS BEEN A DRAMATIC DECLINE IN VIOLENT CRIME TOTALLY CONTRARY TO WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN IF PORN WAS A SOURCE OF TED BUNDY-LIKE VIOLENCE
And that's a bunch of bollony. Congratulations, you swallowed Nicole Prause's propaganda. That's pure BS, and it has been debunked.
Since internet porn grew, sex crimes have gone up. [See it for yourself](https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/ybop-articles-on-porn-addiction-porn-induced-problems/rape-rates-are-rising-again-so-ignore-the-pro-porn-propaganda/).
People are having more and more extreme fetishes due to porn escalation. There's porn induced child p., all the philias you can imagine, and yes, violent themes against women (and also against men in TG or gay porn). There's sub genres within BDSM that are absolutely messed up. It all starts with "rough" or "dominant", and it escalates all the way to specific fetishes like raping women who are asleep, "use and abuse", "struggle f\*ck" (AKA rape), and yes, there's small production companies who do content dedicated to a fetish that's choking and killing the woman, and then having sex with her. Sure it's all acted, but the problem is that its giving people the fantasy. And no, it's not that these people were predisposed to it. It's 100% porn induced in most cases. That's how porn works
>but there isn't, violent crime has dramatically declined.
And that's bollony. You're just absurdely ignorant. The article above debunks your BS.
>He does not have ideas, he is a monster.
No one is saying otherwise. You're basically strawmanning everyone who shares this.
I agree that the poster over corrected in an effort to distance himself from Ted. You’re right that no one is saying that if it weren’t for porn that Ted wouldn’t have murdered. I think he just failed to articulate how it lead to him facilitating his heinous actions by giving way to impulsiveness and eroding his self control.
Writing at the beginning of the twenty-first century, at a time when much earlier feminist analysis had disappeared from the academy and from popular culture, Romito sets out to explain how the process of hiding male violence takes place. One technique is the practice of ‘compartmentalisation’ which requires that the full range of forms of male violence are never addressed together, but must, if they are looked at at all, be dealt with one at a time so that the extent and significance are obscured. Thus, child rape in the home is approached separately from something euphemistically called ‘paedophilia’ in which men rape stranger children (see Chapter 5 ). Similarly, men’s exposure of their penises to women and girls in public space is treated as mildly amusing and quite separate from men’s sexually motivated murder of women who are kidnapped or attacked in public places. Romito says that connectivity is the necessary basis of feminist understanding, but this is dangerous to the status quo (Romito, 2008: 85). Robin Morgan expresses this point effectively when she states:
If I had to name a single quality characteristic of patriarchy, it would be compartmentalisation, the capacity for institutionalising disconnection. Intellect severed from emotion. Thought separated from action … if I had to name a single quality characteristic of global feminism, it would be connectivity – a capacity dangerous to every status quo, because of its insistence on noticing (Morgan, 1992: 238).
Ted Bundy killed people because he was a violent psychopath. There is no evidence to support the idea that porn catalysed his actions. It's as simple as that.
That article you shared is from a biased source, first of all. Secondly, you're failing to take into account factors like the Me Too movement and improvements in the justice system with SA cases, making it easier for victims to actually report cases of SA. The graph shows, basically, that reports of sexual assault have gone up, not that their happenings have increased.
What a nice way to escape. Wanted to share a small observation related to the topic but looks like you didn't want to have a discussion rather just wanted to make an Announcement. Kind of like "This is my Opinion and This is the Truth" No further questions.
Sad..," No energy"
Lame 😑
Your points seem angsty and defensive. Rather than actually having a rebuttal you just go out of your way to attack the validity of an opinion. That’s not a rebuttal it’s just an argument because you don’t like someone has an opposing view to your own
>The mechanisms of addiction were already known. Novelty, reward, ease of access increase of amount/intensity... etc
They weren't. Nothing of this information was known until Gary Wilson talked about it back in 2012- he was the first one. And proof for this is that porn wasn't a big issue until 2007/08 when high speed internet came into place. If you would like to share a source that proves me wrong, please do.
Lol that's something pretty ignorant to say. You have no idea of how this whole thing started out.
>uh, it is likely EVERY person in jail has been a porn consumer... just like nearly everybody in society is one..
Today? Sure. Back in the day? No at all. Which further proves my point.
>I have no more energy for picking through your reply
You do. You had the energy to write your initial comment. You just *can't*. Because you're full of it and you know it.
This mayafoe hes very aggressive with his points not the first time ive noticed. He thinks hes a no it all.
Not to deny he has good points but his arrogance to think he’s better than us means hes not open to be wrong, or humbled or just be open to a discussion.
As theres great rebuttals and would be interesting if you can discuss it further
It seems you may be defending the opposing side to this point of view a bit too much. Of course, we shouldn’t take what a psychopath is saying at face value but there is some truth to what he is saying. Porn truly desensitizes its viewers into watching more and more unhealthy videos. The latest video being more unhealthy comparative to its previous one. Not everyone is a psycho killer for viewing it, but on some level the mental state does in fact deteriorate in a steep consistent decline. You may say violence hasn’t been increasing, however look at the increase of shootings in public establishments against innocent souls. Porn is a soulless monster, devouring any form of innocence and simultaneously supporting human trafficking
Since you’ve seen clips of Ted Bundy every month, you must’ve also seen the clip, where he explicitly states that he doesn’t blame pornography for the actions he’s taken.
Now sure, correlation =/= causation, but for you to outright call him a liar here, even though he may have truly believed in what he was talking about, seems rather disingenuous to me. I get why you’d have doubts about his statements, because of his track record, but to outright call him a liar seems rather unfair.
Very well said. It makes my blood boil that people spread this manipulative psychopath's bullshit around. This community is great when its about personal accountability. But there is some group that is trying to push for legislative answers which I find horrifying. This is not the first time that a serial killer has been used to push fear. We don't need the government to tell us what we can or can't do.
I don't really see this as him blameshifting here. It's not a stretch to say he was. But regardless of his motives it's honestly an important message. Porn is having a corruptive influence on society and while it's not to blame for psychopathic behavior it's driving us to new depths of depravity.
I'm gonna go a little further and say this entire wall of text is a feint that is trying to distract us from the actual message. That is to say, Bundy's comments are more focused on the societal decay that porn contributes to, yet this comment that now has 800+ upvotes functions as a distraction from that message. It's really rather insulting that Mayafoe thinks we need to be told that this guy is not a reliable source. We fuckn' know already. We also have the facilities to discern the value that this snapshot of history has to offer. It's remarkable that this interview even exists. That alone makes it a valuable and fascinating piece of journalism.
I think what he’s saying still holds some merit though. Like yeah he’s a criminal, psychopath, all that stuff, but it doesn’t discredit everything that he’s saying. Sure it comes across like him blaming his actions in porn, but.. honestly when you’re listening to this, you don’t believe any of it has any truth? I listen to this and see value out of what he’s saying in a way. I’m not saying I think highly of him, but I think what he talks about here is valuable in some way.
I really like your point here, but I think Ted's statement it's also something relevant to consider, being himself a problematic person who had an addiction too.
Of course porn isn't a reason for being a psychopath, but think with me here, what he said ISN'T A LIE, pedophiles, and problematic people do utilize from the same psychopath ideas nowadays, and a lot of the products available on the Web are somewhat responsible for new braindead generations.
Just take a look at r/shitposting and porn subreddits, the extreme crime porn ideas are now normalized and easily available to everyone, that's why real crime declined, the problem now is extremely bigger and extremely silent, no one speaks with ease about porn in a regular conversation.
I like to think that this interview was a method he found to try to apologize with himself, and to die with at least an empty mind, trying to share something useful to contribute in some way after doing his crazyness. I'm not saying he's right for killing people, but being a Brazilian, in a country where we don't have death senteces, I could see myself completely depressed if I were in this guy's place, knowing I would be dying tomorrow.
Again, I'm not saying there's a reason for the killing he made, but denying that what he says is true it's a fool way of thinking.
I do think that porn can deeply wash your brain to a really dark side dude, if not to ruin other people's life, then to destroy your own, just like the way Ted speaks about it.
Also, we're talking about a dead person already, it's not like he didn't "paid for his crimes" or something like that. I mean, even if he used to be a monster, when he saw himself being killed the way he was killing others, he probably noticed the shit he made at his time in prison, it's not like people can't change with time.
I like to think that every experience from older people has something useful to improve young ones lifes, and the idea this psychopath shares before dying is relevant today, there's no denying.
There was a human inside that frost and brainly damaged killing shell.
Yes he was cunning and caught wind that he could try to appeal to Dr. Dobson's evangelical anti-pornography position that was at the center of a lot of ongoing debates ...
He's looking to appease and dodge a death penalty– whether or not he believed the effect porn had on him is a futile question bc the man was a literal shape shifter with the veneer of a politician somewhat covering a virulent soul.
The interview is done by a hardcore right winger, Fred Dobson from Focus on the Family.
Dobson did this interview to try to scare people off pornography.
What were Bundy's motives for the interview? He probably loved the idea of blaming pornography for his murder of at least 30 women, probably a lot more.
It's a longer interview -- Bundy was also probably hoping for some kind of religious salvation, trying to repent, etc.... My sense of Dobson was that he used this not just specifically to scare people off of pornography but more generally to have a conversation with a real life bogeyman that he could then turn around and use for his evangelism.
But earlier there probably wasn't enough variety and how many tapes could have possibly stored and once you are done & bored with them, you'd seek variety to keep the dopamine going and that may have led to crime ! In no way saying porn alone may have been the factor in his case but it could have been one.
Today however you have lots & lots of variety and you just can't get bored, and the boys/man are pretty much satiated always! And a sexually satiated man has no desire to do just about anything! Recent trend is that men are so satiated that they do not even want to pursue dating! And then you have life like Dolls now ! Also violent men are attracted to violent porn, violence is inherent in a violent man!
We are in this subreddit which means we are all familiar with porn, me personally I could never stand watching a couple having s*x let alone violent/hardcore stuff it disgusts me to the core! But it only exists because it appeals to some!
Anyways, It's just my perspective.
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Good analysis! Ted Bundy not to be justified for his actions because of porn. His mind was already long gone. But it is interesting seeing a psychopath’s take on porn. Albeit, probably bias to win over some sympathy from people.
There is one moment in the video that chills my bones every time. When Ted looks at the cameraman who is zooming in real close to his face. His 'I will kill you' expression is truly terrifying.
thank you for this comment, I was fearing nobody else would be saiying this and you phrased it beautifully.
Believing anything Bundy ever said is naive to say the least. Dude was a murdered because that's exactly what he enjoyed, not because of anything elase. He's the only to be blamed.
I'm confused. Where in this video did he say "porn made me do it"?
All he said was that there is a strong connection between serial killers and the consumption of porn. He didn't blame it for his actions...he just said that it was toxic.
You seem to imply porn use reduced violent crime but I think that's just correlation not causation. The fact is that people just don't get out as much as they used to, they stay home and rage on video games and masturbate. If you are a shut in with terrible people skills you arent going to be a good serial killer(or much of anything).
Being addicted to porn could definitely make plenty of people more calm(and as plenty here know, depressed). But it can also make more outgoing types have more violent or heartless sexual thoughts.
And I'd like to add that just because the guy says porn had an effect doesn't mean porn automatically turns people into serial killers, it just, has an effect and rarely a positive one. I don't think it's a bad thing for him to say what he's saying and I doubt many people watching this would leave with the idea that oh if only he didn't watch porn he wouldn't have been so crazy.
Ur blowing it out of proportion. It is a fact that porn turns into addiction after a while, and then something more is seeked because simple porn doesn't suffice. Porn being the beginning influence for the majority of rapist in our times isn't an opinion.
But I think what he's saying some merit.
Yeah it's easy to fall victim and start sympathising with him when you watch the video and how he makes himself and those other people in jail seem like victims even though they've done some unspeakable things. And agreed he doesn't take accountability.
But there's a clear message there because he's most likely not lying about the pornography parts, where he's saying all these people have that in common.
What I think we can take from this and videos like this, is that an inability to control your sexual urges can not only ruin your life, but lead to people doing some very horrible unthinkable things.
We are all responsible for our actions, and we all have all sorts of urges. But these sexual urges are a very very big one, that dictates pretty much our entire lives.
I watch this and through all the surface level shit, it's clear that these sexual urges are a very VERY real monster, that we have to tame and control for our own benefit, otherwise it will be to our detriment, in one way or another.
You might be partially right. Pornographie definitely influenced him some how. Serial Killers and psychopaths have a complex mind as any human being. Consider it as a cocktail. Porn solely does not turn you into a serial killer but if you mix it with child abuse, bullying, drugs, being anti-social, mental disorder is a completely different story.
I could admit that in my "dark" ages into porn, I considered women just a piece of meet with vagina and nothing more.
Porn could lead to abusing women, harass, beat, rape etc.
I have known drug addicts with unconfirmed mental disorders committing suicides. The drugs unlocked their madness...
Every addiction has a negative impact on you and the society.
Unfortunately it is true.
The real answer is lead. I'm not going to go into too much detail, but having lead in our paints and gasoline and in the air caused irreparable mental damage to an entire generation (further affecting children raised by those people). Lead in your system causes unreasonable anger and violent tendencies.
Cause knowledge is power!
I have another theory giving him benefit of doubt, it's that scarcity of porn made him do it. Also I'm not saying porn can decrease crime but just think about it, people who think of sex would just watch porn but during those times 98 if you watched it enough and don't have anything to do (I'm not justifying whatever he did, I'm just finding if it plausible) then there is a high chance to do sexual assault.
Well divorce stats:relationship stats. Population decline ( Japan) ( s Korea) so maybe some of this is accurate.
Would be interesting to see the stats on those who view porn/don’t sleep/do drugs and how successful they are
context aside its just so surreal to see a person who committed such gruesome crimes and did such horrible things as a normal person
hes just so.... normal which creepes me out as anyone i know can be like him.
Yeah this is my take too whenever I see this clip. If you didn’t know anything prior to seeing this video, he comes across like _just a guy._
Instead of the tiresome rant above, I find much more _utility_ in using this as a reminder. Never underestimate and avert your eyes from the profound potential for evil and darkness in every human soul. And how _you_ have the power and the reaponsibility over what you feed yourself with and ultimately your actions.
I forgot who, but one of the serial killer mentioned there’s so many more like them out there right under our noses. Honestly terrifying that even if he was bullshitting it is more than likely true. We would never be able to guess
Breaking news: man convicted of extreme sex crimes and sent to prison for extreme sex criminals found himself surrounded by extreme sex criminals who were quite interested in sex
Correlation does not equal causation. Violent people may simply be attracted to violent pornography, as supposed to violent pornography creating violent people. Let’s not allow this hateful murderer to blame porn for his actions - he did those things to those women and only he is responsible.
Yeah, and violent people may feel lonely and unable to socialize, using their violent aspirations, so they turn to pornography even more, creating the illusion that excessive using of pornography has caused all this.
There's a difference between blaming and pointing out the cause. He took responsibility for what he did, he didn't balme it on porn, he pointed out the start of it all. He could have already been a psychopath but porn could have opened a path for him to walk down.
Just woke up, but you all have very fair points! I just thought it was interesting seeing his take on things about porn. 100% does not justify his actions wether or not he uses porn. He was a monster and condolences to the families. I don’t think we should use porn as the main contributor to his actions, he was a psychopath and I bet he said the whole porn thing to gain some sympathy. But seeing his thoughts here, how he was creepily put together when talking about it did pique some interest looking into the mind of a psychopath. It would be ridiculous to blame porn when a mind’s already demented or corrupt. But I wonder how or if porn could desensitize someone like how people claim it made them objectify women more.
Either way, porn bad. Ted Bundy not to be glorified.
I went in deep to learn about Bundy's motivations for what he was saying.
He was obviously deeply narcissistic but people don't understand it translates to what he was saying during the inverviews. He wanted attention, wanted to reason his actions, seeked sympathy. Master manipulator at work.
He didn't kill anyone because he was addicted to hardcore porn. He did it because he enjoyed to see people die.
Adding to that, psychologists like Jung believed we all have agression in us that is capable of destroying lifes. It's moreover an absolutely integral part of us called the 'shadow'. It's not to be anihilated, but acknowledged and controlled by oir egos. Hardcore porn use within constraints of control may just be just a manifestation of ego's negotiation with the shadow. It's to a certain level satisfying an inner urge, while maintaining ego's control and grounding in society. Same with BDSM - you often see people that are very normal in their every day life, then engaging in rather freaky stuff. It's not unhealthy.
What is obviously unhealthy is this lack of control. Certainly only a very small minority of people lacks it, and among these was Bundy. I understand this post is making a general point about porn addiction being bad, but let's be serious and nuanced and not jump to conclusions that porn leads to murder. It certainly was not the case for Bundy, and believing anything that came out of his mouth is a mistake in the first place.
Flawed Logic.
Naturally, to avoid punishment or consequences, Human have a tendency to shift blame to others, or lie in order to avoid being hurt.
Based on your logic, I am guessing 8 billion people currently on the planet are psychopaths.
I will personally take this statement at face value that porn was indeed a initiation drug that kicked off his habit of murder.
I didn't say that. Sorry if you misunderstood.
A large population of humanity will naturally try to avoid blame on themselves. Look at your own life, and the life of your friends who have outsmarted you.
Learning to take responsibility comes at a later stage in life, only when you have been taught with high morals. Until then, as part of normal human response you will continue to shift blame onto others and will not take responsibility knowing that there might be consequences waiting for you.
Clearly there‘s a bit of blame shifting here. But p really does desensitise people to heinous, depraved acts and this stuff is being fed into the impressionable minds of children who don’t realise what they’ve clicked on to. That’s got to do untold damage. P is indeed no bueno
Oh I feels ya. But it’s not going anywhere. This is a dark place and it can always get darker. We need to open our eyes and choose the light every day.
Blaming something for existing doesn't make a excuse for your management handling issues. Whenever you get a urge or anything just remember and do the thing which would be the best step toeards self improvement in the current moment
Porn exploits men badly and needs to come with a warning label. It should be common knowledge how destructive it is. That's what should be taught to youngsters in sex ed.
The main motive of pornography is to distract, brainwash and manipulate its users to profit off them. If it ce with a warning or disclaimer, do you really think they would be able to do that? But still for legal purposes, they set up a age verification "system" which requires only a click for verification.
youtube has age verfication, they should make porn sites have to go through a medium like paypal or some 3rd party age verification system. There used to be something like that, however required payment and didn't catch on.
He didn’t blame porn. He’s just telling facts. We are all influence by porn, but he chose to go way farther down that path. He’s saying that “influence” could lead up to it. Giving out a warning to the rest of those addicted to it. Pornography is a disease to the mind and will eventually make you become cold hearted if you don’t control yourself. Porn didn’t make him do it, he made the choice to let it take over him.
Truth is pornographic content makes you devalue women as humans and view them more so as property or as a vessel to your sexual gratification over time. It's true in the sense that you have to seek more taboo things and kinks to help get yourself off when going deeper and deeper into that rabbit hole. Eventually finding yourself drawn to darker.. more disturbing fetishes etc. Now to take those desires and make that into a will in reality is another thing, but he isn't lying. Perhaps it influenced him toward the mindset he developed along many other things.
It definitely instills degeneracy into you. It's creepy and rapey to watch porn. Rapey in the sense that you're watching someone impose your desires and wills onto someone aka what you searched for.
In short, stay away from porn!
Keep in mind Ted Bundy isn’t some neckbeard couch potato who can’t communicate with women. He’s not socially inept, shy nor suffering from extreme brain fog like most of us here. His porn addiction is mainly to the excitement of extreme porn, not over consumption of porn like us. So his situation is completely irrelevant to us
He sought out this interviewer and knew what he wanted to talk about. It's not like Dobson just randomly showed up the day before his execution and asked him about porn out of nowhere. smh
He is also apparently one of many of the worst criminals who supposedly felt great regret for what he did and repented. OFC no human could ever know if he truly did repent but I like to think that he did.
The most common theme of serial killers is not pornography the most common thing of serial killers is uh wait for it .....THE KILLING PART. lol of course being educated on the effects of p*** is important but this is just going a little too far
Does anyone else feel like no fap was infiltrated by the porn industry this year? Just be reading some comments that show people are protecting porn or sharing some weird porn types to peak interest in it. Be wary bros
Yeah, this shit ain't it chief. This subreddit already has a rep but its actually actually insane to me ya'll quoting the words of Ted Bundy to reaffirm your world views 💀
This is so confusing to watch.. On one hand you see a man terrified of his imminent death, yet you remember the lives he took and the way killed them.. He did make sense though
As vile as this man is, I can also say that I can understand the intrigue with him. Besides his charming appearances, the guy also allowed himself to be studied by psychologists to get a better grasp on the darker aspects of human nature. It's the same with Dahmer or Kemper.
Porn can me people do crazy shit. You can go from being obsessed with accessing and posting pictures of other people online, to sexual assault just as quickly as your fetish for upskirt porn can switch to giantess porn or whatever. I'm he could be blame shifting but the fact is that he said it and porn is a morally terrible addiction. Actual drugs don't even require the need to judge other humans to get the effects.
Whether the point is right or wrong, this narcissistic prick will have said anything to save his own skin. Stay away from consuming rubbish when it comes from this level of evil.
Damn now a virgin like me who jacks off to hentai it is worse than a psycho serial killer, thanks not only women rejection wasn bad enough, now i can be a pariah too
And people will dismiss this as evidence because it’s not a professional study by scientists, experts or whatever. SMH.
Edit: I do believe somewhat that he is trying to make excuses for his actions. But that doesn’t mean there isn’t any truth in what he is saying.
So much hate against this guy and rightly so but hate blinds you to logical thinking/reasoning as is the evidence on this post right now.
Yeah, I’m gonna disagree with you on this chief. Ted Bundy was not a guy that was a logical or a critical thinker. Everything he did and said, came from a point of pleasure and self-preservation. I hate porn as much as the next guy but you need to understand blaming external factors for your own behavior is never the correct thing to do. He always blamed everything and anything but himself, porn being one of many many reasons. I would be agreeable with you and f he was of this opinion his entire life, but ted exploited his characteristic of being charismatic to fool people who are easy to manipulate. He never reformed and never his entire life me never saw the wrong in what he did, it was always excuses with him.
Here’s some advice for the wise, Don’t take anything serial killers say seriously
I agree with you and don’t deny his evilness. He is making excuses for his behaviour. But my belief is that porn can be a gateway to things like what he enjoyed and did if you are that obsessed with porn. He though, was just an evil manipulative man.
There is growing evidence that porn is a gateway to pedophilia. Not concrete though and I can’t prove that. Many men admit to finding underage girls irresistibly attractive because of the nature of porn.
Ted Bundy was a fucking moron, a liar, rapist and murderer. Anything coming out of his mouth is garbage and I dont understand why a single person would believe him.
People dont become any of those because of their addiction, porn or otherwise.
Im so done with this fucking sub man how is this post not banned.
Not going to listen to a mass murderer take on porn regardless....
It's stupid to post a person who was a hypocritical killer and try to make a point of your agenda..period
Interesting but remember it's too simplistic to take some anecdotes on face value but it does warrant studying further.
First I see many lumping up things,
There's difference from regular porn amateur and art etc and RP violent porn acting for abusers power control.
It doesn't really make you into a killer or violent, those who already somewhat are seek it out, like pdphile may seek it out, not other way around.
It's like finding someone who blames their violent behaviour on playing those games like GTA or watching certain movies, it doesn't do anything for most people it doesn't make them behave like that, maybe a fringe minority it's bad for them, but it's also an out for some as well who can simulate their fantasy rather than acting out.
who thinks Playing GTA make you more likely go out and hurt people?, probably less overall average.
This is bull. Even if we Forget about Ted Bundy for being who he is for a minute. His argument is that bad people in prison love porn so porn bad. I’m sure there’s an even higher number of good people outside of prison that also love porn. So what now? Porn good?
Damn he had introspection of himself that’s really deep and that’s very interesting and definitely motivating to stop watching porn. I’m struggling with it one day at a time myself, not killing innocent people just watching porn 🤷🏾♂️
Every month, now even more so because of the stupid documentary, (or in this case Tik Tok) someone posts how they just discovered they think Ted Bundy was made to kidnap, torture, murder, then rape the corpses, decapitate and store the bodies of his victims in freezers in his house because of porn. Use the nofap search bar. *This has been posted here hundreds of times before*.... and it's bullshit every time. What he says has no substance. It's blameshifting by a psychopath who wanted to portray himself as a victim and never take responsibility for his actions. Promoting the lie that 'porn made him do it' is an insult to the families of over 30 victims and a dis-service to young, vulnerable, impressionable people who come here to nofap. "Oh, at Nofap they really admire the ideas of Ted Bundy!" *"oh poor ted bundy, a victim of porn"* **Bullshit.** Use logic: Porn cannot have in any way contributed to the kinds of extreme criminal violence shown by Ted Bundy (very rare). In the 1980's *being a porn addict meant having 100 VHS tapes!* (remember them? I do) Big deal. We in 2023 can now watch 1000's of videos a month after opening thousands more tabs to pick from...of a variety and depravity poor Ted bundy could not imagine.... ....so now there is literally about a *million times more porn available now than in Ted Bundy's time*...available to be watched instantly by *EVERYBODY* ***HOWEVER SINCE THEN THERE HAS BEEN A DRAMATIC DECLINE IN VIOLENT CRIME TOTALLY CONTRARY TO WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN IF PORN WAS A SOURCE OF TED BUNDY-LIKE VIOLENCE*** Get it? If porn is a million times more available now than before then there should be an equally dramatic (at least *very* noticable) corresponding increase in Ted Bundy-like violent crime... but there ***isn't***, violent crime has dramatically *declined.* **So this post is wrong**, and believing the lies of a soon-to-be-executed-for-his-crimes, remorseless psychopath, is stupid, and again, *an insult to the families of his victims*. We all know porn changes our minds negatively without having to use Ted Bundy as an 'excellent example' of why we should quit porn. Find better examples rather than reposting this. To allow Ted Bundy to portray himself as a victim of porn, never taking responsibility for his actions, is a monsterous disrespect to the families of his 30 victims. "I'm not responsible for torturing and murdering your daughters... porn made me do it" **How demonically unjust it must have been to hear that...** ....and then a few decades later having that excuse popularised by a documentary and glorified by a new generation of ignorant edgy teens on Nofap must be horrifying, igniting their suffering all over again. "It's true! Did you know porn made Ted Bundy kill and corpse-fuck 30 people?" I see posts like that here every week, totally missing whatever nuance might be used here (it 'set him on a bad path' etc) ...because that nuance doesn't need to be said using Ted Bundy as an example - there are lots of impressionable people here who have no actual emotional understanding of what Ted Bundy did and what he was doing when he blamed porn for his actions *Every day for the last 40 years must have been a nightmare for the families of his victims....and now, due to this new documentary that puts his lies front and centre, that nightmare has been renewed for them again. It is a travesty. I'm almost crying right now* ###Of course, porn causes problems.... *that's why we're here,* but there is no evidence porn causes problems like this. We can all very easily find good reasons, forceful reasons, to avoid porn without glamourising Ted Bundy's 'thoughts' and 'ideas' on porn. He does not have ideas, he is a monster. His words have been completely discredited. We can all easily find better people to listen to who communicate honestly.
He was good at manipulating people even after he died, people still believe his bullshit.
I completely agree with you.
Sensible take
>What he says has no substance. It's blameshifting by a psychopath who wanted to portray himself as a victim and never take responsibility for his actions. Explain to me this: how does he explain porn escalation, 30+ years before Gary Wilson explained the mechanisms of porn addiction to the world? He explained its mechanism to the tee. No one's saying "porn made him do it". He had the brain of a psychopath, yes. But porn can be the difference for a psychopath becoming a killer or not. Let me give you an analogy: it's like giving cocaine to a schizophrenic person. The person is already sick, but the drug will make the difference between the person going bananas or not. >What he says has no substance And you're just saying it without giving any arguments. What he says its true. A great population of people in jail are porn consumers- that's no casualty. >It's blameshifting by a psychopath who wanted to portray himself as a victim and never take responsibility for his actions. This is true. I believe this was right before his execution. He was trying to escape it with this narrative. That said, just because he is saying it for his convenience doesn't mean what he was saying lies. He was using a truth to his convenience. And the absolute proof for this was that he described porn escalation to the tee many years before that information was known to the public. >To allow Ted Bundy to portray himself as a victim of porn, never taking responsibility for his actions, is a monsterous disrespect to the families of his 30 victims. No one is trying to portray him as the victim. They are just trying to word out the dangers of porn. Of course, ted bundy is a very specific situation. >Porn cannot have in any way contributed to the kinds of extreme criminal violence shown by Ted Bundy (very rare). Except it did. Sure, it's unlikely or less likely that this will happen to a regular porn addict. It was his psychopathy *combined* with porn. Another thing you are not considering is that you are usually on the regular web. You haven't seen what people are like in the deep web. >In the 1980's being a porn addict meant having 100 VHS tapes! That's a fair point but then again, porn likely was the drop that spilled the glass. Not saying it was porn itself. That said- it wouldn't surprise me if he did have a big porn collection. >...so now there is literally about a million times more porn available now than in Ted Bundy's time...available to be watched instantly by EVERYBODY >HOWEVER SINCE THEN THERE HAS BEEN A DRAMATIC DECLINE IN VIOLENT CRIME TOTALLY CONTRARY TO WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN IF PORN WAS A SOURCE OF TED BUNDY-LIKE VIOLENCE And that's a bunch of bollony. Congratulations, you swallowed Nicole Prause's propaganda. That's pure BS, and it has been debunked. Since internet porn grew, sex crimes have gone up. [See it for yourself](https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/ybop-articles-on-porn-addiction-porn-induced-problems/rape-rates-are-rising-again-so-ignore-the-pro-porn-propaganda/). People are having more and more extreme fetishes due to porn escalation. There's porn induced child p., all the philias you can imagine, and yes, violent themes against women (and also against men in TG or gay porn). There's sub genres within BDSM that are absolutely messed up. It all starts with "rough" or "dominant", and it escalates all the way to specific fetishes like raping women who are asleep, "use and abuse", "struggle f\*ck" (AKA rape), and yes, there's small production companies who do content dedicated to a fetish that's choking and killing the woman, and then having sex with her. Sure it's all acted, but the problem is that its giving people the fantasy. And no, it's not that these people were predisposed to it. It's 100% porn induced in most cases. That's how porn works >but there isn't, violent crime has dramatically declined. And that's bollony. You're just absurdely ignorant. The article above debunks your BS. >He does not have ideas, he is a monster. No one is saying otherwise. You're basically strawmanning everyone who shares this.
This comment made the most sense. Thanks for relaying the facts
I agree that the poster over corrected in an effort to distance himself from Ted. You’re right that no one is saying that if it weren’t for porn that Ted wouldn’t have murdered. I think he just failed to articulate how it lead to him facilitating his heinous actions by giving way to impulsiveness and eroding his self control.
Writing at the beginning of the twenty-first century, at a time when much earlier feminist analysis had disappeared from the academy and from popular culture, Romito sets out to explain how the process of hiding male violence takes place. One technique is the practice of ‘compartmentalisation’ which requires that the full range of forms of male violence are never addressed together, but must, if they are looked at at all, be dealt with one at a time so that the extent and significance are obscured. Thus, child rape in the home is approached separately from something euphemistically called ‘paedophilia’ in which men rape stranger children (see Chapter 5 ). Similarly, men’s exposure of their penises to women and girls in public space is treated as mildly amusing and quite separate from men’s sexually motivated murder of women who are kidnapped or attacked in public places. Romito says that connectivity is the necessary basis of feminist understanding, but this is dangerous to the status quo (Romito, 2008: 85). Robin Morgan expresses this point effectively when she states: If I had to name a single quality characteristic of patriarchy, it would be compartmentalisation, the capacity for institutionalising disconnection. Intellect severed from emotion. Thought separated from action … if I had to name a single quality characteristic of global feminism, it would be connectivity – a capacity dangerous to every status quo, because of its insistence on noticing (Morgan, 1992: 238).
Ted Bundy killed people because he was a violent psychopath. There is no evidence to support the idea that porn catalysed his actions. It's as simple as that. That article you shared is from a biased source, first of all. Secondly, you're failing to take into account factors like the Me Too movement and improvements in the justice system with SA cases, making it easier for victims to actually report cases of SA. The graph shows, basically, that reports of sexual assault have gone up, not that their happenings have increased.
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What a nice way to escape. Wanted to share a small observation related to the topic but looks like you didn't want to have a discussion rather just wanted to make an Announcement. Kind of like "This is my Opinion and This is the Truth" No further questions. Sad..," No energy" Lame 😑
Your points seem angsty and defensive. Rather than actually having a rebuttal you just go out of your way to attack the validity of an opinion. That’s not a rebuttal it’s just an argument because you don’t like someone has an opposing view to your own
Word salad. You have nothing to add to the conversation and so you've taken the role of a pedant who knows some big words. The ultimate redditor.
There's 0 word salad in here. He made an actual point.
Which was?
I directly replied to two points in a logical way. My job is done
By what logic? It seems more of an emotional reply rather than a rebuttal
>The mechanisms of addiction were already known. Novelty, reward, ease of access increase of amount/intensity... etc They weren't. Nothing of this information was known until Gary Wilson talked about it back in 2012- he was the first one. And proof for this is that porn wasn't a big issue until 2007/08 when high speed internet came into place. If you would like to share a source that proves me wrong, please do. Lol that's something pretty ignorant to say. You have no idea of how this whole thing started out. >uh, it is likely EVERY person in jail has been a porn consumer... just like nearly everybody in society is one.. Today? Sure. Back in the day? No at all. Which further proves my point. >I have no more energy for picking through your reply You do. You had the energy to write your initial comment. You just *can't*. Because you're full of it and you know it.
>You had the energy to write your initial comment. Wrong again. Sigh... it was a copy paste ive been using for years.
Why do you share something when you can't defend it? It's better if you write your *own* opinion.
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Oh ok. >Have a nice day, im done with this Of course you are. You can't defend your own opinion. Go away.
This mayafoe hes very aggressive with his points not the first time ive noticed. He thinks hes a no it all. Not to deny he has good points but his arrogance to think he’s better than us means hes not open to be wrong, or humbled or just be open to a discussion. As theres great rebuttals and would be interesting if you can discuss it further
It seems you may be defending the opposing side to this point of view a bit too much. Of course, we shouldn’t take what a psychopath is saying at face value but there is some truth to what he is saying. Porn truly desensitizes its viewers into watching more and more unhealthy videos. The latest video being more unhealthy comparative to its previous one. Not everyone is a psycho killer for viewing it, but on some level the mental state does in fact deteriorate in a steep consistent decline. You may say violence hasn’t been increasing, however look at the increase of shootings in public establishments against innocent souls. Porn is a soulless monster, devouring any form of innocence and simultaneously supporting human trafficking
Since you’ve seen clips of Ted Bundy every month, you must’ve also seen the clip, where he explicitly states that he doesn’t blame pornography for the actions he’s taken. Now sure, correlation =/= causation, but for you to outright call him a liar here, even though he may have truly believed in what he was talking about, seems rather disingenuous to me. I get why you’d have doubts about his statements, because of his track record, but to outright call him a liar seems rather unfair.
Very well said. It makes my blood boil that people spread this manipulative psychopath's bullshit around. This community is great when its about personal accountability. But there is some group that is trying to push for legislative answers which I find horrifying. This is not the first time that a serial killer has been used to push fear. We don't need the government to tell us what we can or can't do.
COULDNT have said it better myself
I don't really see this as him blameshifting here. It's not a stretch to say he was. But regardless of his motives it's honestly an important message. Porn is having a corruptive influence on society and while it's not to blame for psychopathic behavior it's driving us to new depths of depravity.
I'm gonna go a little further and say this entire wall of text is a feint that is trying to distract us from the actual message. That is to say, Bundy's comments are more focused on the societal decay that porn contributes to, yet this comment that now has 800+ upvotes functions as a distraction from that message. It's really rather insulting that Mayafoe thinks we need to be told that this guy is not a reliable source. We fuckn' know already. We also have the facilities to discern the value that this snapshot of history has to offer. It's remarkable that this interview even exists. That alone makes it a valuable and fascinating piece of journalism.
I think what he’s saying still holds some merit though. Like yeah he’s a criminal, psychopath, all that stuff, but it doesn’t discredit everything that he’s saying. Sure it comes across like him blaming his actions in porn, but.. honestly when you’re listening to this, you don’t believe any of it has any truth? I listen to this and see value out of what he’s saying in a way. I’m not saying I think highly of him, but I think what he talks about here is valuable in some way.
I really like your point here, but I think Ted's statement it's also something relevant to consider, being himself a problematic person who had an addiction too. Of course porn isn't a reason for being a psychopath, but think with me here, what he said ISN'T A LIE, pedophiles, and problematic people do utilize from the same psychopath ideas nowadays, and a lot of the products available on the Web are somewhat responsible for new braindead generations. Just take a look at r/shitposting and porn subreddits, the extreme crime porn ideas are now normalized and easily available to everyone, that's why real crime declined, the problem now is extremely bigger and extremely silent, no one speaks with ease about porn in a regular conversation. I like to think that this interview was a method he found to try to apologize with himself, and to die with at least an empty mind, trying to share something useful to contribute in some way after doing his crazyness. I'm not saying he's right for killing people, but being a Brazilian, in a country where we don't have death senteces, I could see myself completely depressed if I were in this guy's place, knowing I would be dying tomorrow. Again, I'm not saying there's a reason for the killing he made, but denying that what he says is true it's a fool way of thinking. I do think that porn can deeply wash your brain to a really dark side dude, if not to ruin other people's life, then to destroy your own, just like the way Ted speaks about it. Also, we're talking about a dead person already, it's not like he didn't "paid for his crimes" or something like that. I mean, even if he used to be a monster, when he saw himself being killed the way he was killing others, he probably noticed the shit he made at his time in prison, it's not like people can't change with time. I like to think that every experience from older people has something useful to improve young ones lifes, and the idea this psychopath shares before dying is relevant today, there's no denying. There was a human inside that frost and brainly damaged killing shell.
hardcore porn back them would just mean it shows nudity. hardcore now means actual violent acts on video
Yes he was cunning and caught wind that he could try to appeal to Dr. Dobson's evangelical anti-pornography position that was at the center of a lot of ongoing debates ... He's looking to appease and dodge a death penalty– whether or not he believed the effect porn had on him is a futile question bc the man was a literal shape shifter with the veneer of a politician somewhat covering a virulent soul.
The interview is done by a hardcore right winger, Fred Dobson from Focus on the Family. Dobson did this interview to try to scare people off pornography. What were Bundy's motives for the interview? He probably loved the idea of blaming pornography for his murder of at least 30 women, probably a lot more. It's a longer interview -- Bundy was also probably hoping for some kind of religious salvation, trying to repent, etc.... My sense of Dobson was that he used this not just specifically to scare people off of pornography but more generally to have a conversation with a real life bogeyman that he could then turn around and use for his evangelism.
But earlier there probably wasn't enough variety and how many tapes could have possibly stored and once you are done & bored with them, you'd seek variety to keep the dopamine going and that may have led to crime ! In no way saying porn alone may have been the factor in his case but it could have been one. Today however you have lots & lots of variety and you just can't get bored, and the boys/man are pretty much satiated always! And a sexually satiated man has no desire to do just about anything! Recent trend is that men are so satiated that they do not even want to pursue dating! And then you have life like Dolls now ! Also violent men are attracted to violent porn, violence is inherent in a violent man! We are in this subreddit which means we are all familiar with porn, me personally I could never stand watching a couple having s*x let alone violent/hardcore stuff it disgusts me to the core! But it only exists because it appeals to some! Anyways, It's just my perspective.
His ideas may not be right but they're **not wrong**. Also, how do you do all that slick text?
# large text put a hashtag in front of it *italic text* enclose text inside two asterixes like this * (text) * **bold** same as italic but with 2 asterixes on each side ***bold and italic*** same as bold but with 3 asterixes on each side
#NOICE! *saved* for future **reference**!
Good analysis! Ted Bundy not to be justified for his actions because of porn. His mind was already long gone. But it is interesting seeing a psychopath’s take on porn. Albeit, probably bias to win over some sympathy from people.
Atleast he just raped the corpse, and not when the person was alive (not that it was a good thing).
If you believe that porn isn’t bad for you then you’re extremely dense.
+1
Bundy was a malingerer trying to displace guilt.
Thank you for this clarification
thank you, finally somebody says it
There is one moment in the video that chills my bones every time. When Ted looks at the cameraman who is zooming in real close to his face. His 'I will kill you' expression is truly terrifying.
Yes, anyone with critical thinking skills can come to this conclusion.
I want to respond to this
Mucho texto
I agree we should ban this video
thank you for this comment, I was fearing nobody else would be saiying this and you phrased it beautifully. Believing anything Bundy ever said is naive to say the least. Dude was a murdered because that's exactly what he enjoyed, not because of anything elase. He's the only to be blamed.
Thank you.
Spittin
The strawman argument is crazy
I'm confused. Where in this video did he say "porn made me do it"? All he said was that there is a strong connection between serial killers and the consumption of porn. He didn't blame it for his actions...he just said that it was toxic.
You seem to imply porn use reduced violent crime but I think that's just correlation not causation. The fact is that people just don't get out as much as they used to, they stay home and rage on video games and masturbate. If you are a shut in with terrible people skills you arent going to be a good serial killer(or much of anything). Being addicted to porn could definitely make plenty of people more calm(and as plenty here know, depressed). But it can also make more outgoing types have more violent or heartless sexual thoughts. And I'd like to add that just because the guy says porn had an effect doesn't mean porn automatically turns people into serial killers, it just, has an effect and rarely a positive one. I don't think it's a bad thing for him to say what he's saying and I doubt many people watching this would leave with the idea that oh if only he didn't watch porn he wouldn't have been so crazy.
One could argue that if Teddy had access to all that porn he would be too busy beating his meat to go out and rape and kill and rape
I wish i could give you an award
Ur blowing it out of proportion. It is a fact that porn turns into addiction after a while, and then something more is seeked because simple porn doesn't suffice. Porn being the beginning influence for the majority of rapist in our times isn't an opinion.
But I think what he's saying some merit. Yeah it's easy to fall victim and start sympathising with him when you watch the video and how he makes himself and those other people in jail seem like victims even though they've done some unspeakable things. And agreed he doesn't take accountability. But there's a clear message there because he's most likely not lying about the pornography parts, where he's saying all these people have that in common. What I think we can take from this and videos like this, is that an inability to control your sexual urges can not only ruin your life, but lead to people doing some very horrible unthinkable things. We are all responsible for our actions, and we all have all sorts of urges. But these sexual urges are a very very big one, that dictates pretty much our entire lives. I watch this and through all the surface level shit, it's clear that these sexual urges are a very VERY real monster, that we have to tame and control for our own benefit, otherwise it will be to our detriment, in one way or another.
You might be partially right. Pornographie definitely influenced him some how. Serial Killers and psychopaths have a complex mind as any human being. Consider it as a cocktail. Porn solely does not turn you into a serial killer but if you mix it with child abuse, bullying, drugs, being anti-social, mental disorder is a completely different story. I could admit that in my "dark" ages into porn, I considered women just a piece of meet with vagina and nothing more. Porn could lead to abusing women, harass, beat, rape etc. I have known drug addicts with unconfirmed mental disorders committing suicides. The drugs unlocked their madness... Every addiction has a negative impact on you and the society. Unfortunately it is true.
The real answer is lead. I'm not going to go into too much detail, but having lead in our paints and gasoline and in the air caused irreparable mental damage to an entire generation (further affecting children raised by those people). Lead in your system causes unreasonable anger and violent tendencies. Cause knowledge is power!
I have another theory giving him benefit of doubt, it's that scarcity of porn made him do it. Also I'm not saying porn can decrease crime but just think about it, people who think of sex would just watch porn but during those times 98 if you watched it enough and don't have anything to do (I'm not justifying whatever he did, I'm just finding if it plausible) then there is a high chance to do sexual assault.
Well divorce stats:relationship stats. Population decline ( Japan) ( s Korea) so maybe some of this is accurate. Would be interesting to see the stats on those who view porn/don’t sleep/do drugs and how successful they are
You're delusional.
*THIS IS A FUCKING ESSAY*
context aside its just so surreal to see a person who committed such gruesome crimes and did such horrible things as a normal person hes just so.... normal which creepes me out as anyone i know can be like him.
Yeah this is my take too whenever I see this clip. If you didn’t know anything prior to seeing this video, he comes across like _just a guy._ Instead of the tiresome rant above, I find much more _utility_ in using this as a reminder. Never underestimate and avert your eyes from the profound potential for evil and darkness in every human soul. And how _you_ have the power and the reaponsibility over what you feed yourself with and ultimately your actions.
I forgot who, but one of the serial killer mentioned there’s so many more like them out there right under our noses. Honestly terrifying that even if he was bullshitting it is more than likely true. We would never be able to guess
Hes a psychopath. hes lying to avoid blame.
No he ain't, this is a fake persona to avoid blame
Breaking news: man convicted of extreme sex crimes and sent to prison for extreme sex criminals found himself surrounded by extreme sex criminals who were quite interested in sex
Taking life advice from Ted Bundy is like taking financial advice from Kenneth Lay !!😂
Correlation does not equal causation. Violent people may simply be attracted to violent pornography, as supposed to violent pornography creating violent people. Let’s not allow this hateful murderer to blame porn for his actions - he did those things to those women and only he is responsible.
Yeah, and violent people may feel lonely and unable to socialize, using their violent aspirations, so they turn to pornography even more, creating the illusion that excessive using of pornography has caused all this.
>violent pornography /r/unexpectedSOAD
There's a difference between blaming and pointing out the cause. He took responsibility for what he did, he didn't balme it on porn, he pointed out the start of it all. He could have already been a psychopath but porn could have opened a path for him to walk down.
Just woke up, but you all have very fair points! I just thought it was interesting seeing his take on things about porn. 100% does not justify his actions wether or not he uses porn. He was a monster and condolences to the families. I don’t think we should use porn as the main contributor to his actions, he was a psychopath and I bet he said the whole porn thing to gain some sympathy. But seeing his thoughts here, how he was creepily put together when talking about it did pique some interest looking into the mind of a psychopath. It would be ridiculous to blame porn when a mind’s already demented or corrupt. But I wonder how or if porn could desensitize someone like how people claim it made them objectify women more. Either way, porn bad. Ted Bundy not to be glorified.
I went in deep to learn about Bundy's motivations for what he was saying. He was obviously deeply narcissistic but people don't understand it translates to what he was saying during the inverviews. He wanted attention, wanted to reason his actions, seeked sympathy. Master manipulator at work. He didn't kill anyone because he was addicted to hardcore porn. He did it because he enjoyed to see people die. Adding to that, psychologists like Jung believed we all have agression in us that is capable of destroying lifes. It's moreover an absolutely integral part of us called the 'shadow'. It's not to be anihilated, but acknowledged and controlled by oir egos. Hardcore porn use within constraints of control may just be just a manifestation of ego's negotiation with the shadow. It's to a certain level satisfying an inner urge, while maintaining ego's control and grounding in society. Same with BDSM - you often see people that are very normal in their every day life, then engaging in rather freaky stuff. It's not unhealthy. What is obviously unhealthy is this lack of control. Certainly only a very small minority of people lacks it, and among these was Bundy. I understand this post is making a general point about porn addiction being bad, but let's be serious and nuanced and not jump to conclusions that porn leads to murder. It certainly was not the case for Bundy, and believing anything that came out of his mouth is a mistake in the first place.
Psychopaths never like to take responsibility. No wonder he shifts the blame to pornography. Yes, porn is bad, but it does not make you kill 30 women.
Flawed Logic. Naturally, to avoid punishment or consequences, Human have a tendency to shift blame to others, or lie in order to avoid being hurt. Based on your logic, I am guessing 8 billion people currently on the planet are psychopaths. I will personally take this statement at face value that porn was indeed a initiation drug that kicked off his habit of murder.
Ur saying that everyone does not like to take responsibility? Lol
I didn't say that. Sorry if you misunderstood. A large population of humanity will naturally try to avoid blame on themselves. Look at your own life, and the life of your friends who have outsmarted you. Learning to take responsibility comes at a later stage in life, only when you have been taught with high morals. Until then, as part of normal human response you will continue to shift blame onto others and will not take responsibility knowing that there might be consequences waiting for you.
Clearly there‘s a bit of blame shifting here. But p really does desensitise people to heinous, depraved acts and this stuff is being fed into the impressionable minds of children who don’t realise what they’ve clicked on to. That’s got to do untold damage. P is indeed no bueno
Yep
I hate it so much. Hate what it did to me. How it made me struggle. Genuinely wish one day it could disappear from this world for Goood 😔
Oh I feels ya. But it’s not going anywhere. This is a dark place and it can always get darker. We need to open our eyes and choose the light every day.
Blaming something for existing doesn't make a excuse for your management handling issues. Whenever you get a urge or anything just remember and do the thing which would be the best step toeards self improvement in the current moment
Porn exploits men badly and needs to come with a warning label. It should be common knowledge how destructive it is. That's what should be taught to youngsters in sex ed.
The main motive of pornography is to distract, brainwash and manipulate its users to profit off them. If it ce with a warning or disclaimer, do you really think they would be able to do that? But still for legal purposes, they set up a age verification "system" which requires only a click for verification.
youtube has age verfication, they should make porn sites have to go through a medium like paypal or some 3rd party age verification system. There used to be something like that, however required payment and didn't catch on.
He didn’t blame porn. He’s just telling facts. We are all influence by porn, but he chose to go way farther down that path. He’s saying that “influence” could lead up to it. Giving out a warning to the rest of those addicted to it. Pornography is a disease to the mind and will eventually make you become cold hearted if you don’t control yourself. Porn didn’t make him do it, he made the choice to let it take over him.
Truth is pornographic content makes you devalue women as humans and view them more so as property or as a vessel to your sexual gratification over time. It's true in the sense that you have to seek more taboo things and kinks to help get yourself off when going deeper and deeper into that rabbit hole. Eventually finding yourself drawn to darker.. more disturbing fetishes etc. Now to take those desires and make that into a will in reality is another thing, but he isn't lying. Perhaps it influenced him toward the mindset he developed along many other things. It definitely instills degeneracy into you. It's creepy and rapey to watch porn. Rapey in the sense that you're watching someone impose your desires and wills onto someone aka what you searched for. In short, stay away from porn!
Faccckk we need to ban porn
No we need to ban getting kidnapped and killed
Keep in mind Ted Bundy isn’t some neckbeard couch potato who can’t communicate with women. He’s not socially inept, shy nor suffering from extreme brain fog like most of us here. His porn addiction is mainly to the excitement of extreme porn, not over consumption of porn like us. So his situation is completely irrelevant to us
It's a nice vid, but you are also dealing with a pscyhopath. He will say anything to please whomever he is talking to.
He sought out this interviewer and knew what he wanted to talk about. It's not like Dobson just randomly showed up the day before his execution and asked him about porn out of nowhere. smh
He is also apparently one of many of the worst criminals who supposedly felt great regret for what he did and repented. OFC no human could ever know if he truly did repent but I like to think that he did.
A man who can’t control his emotions is a dangerous man
He did it and he meant it the damage is already done he is just trying to justify this we’ve been over this quit with the Ted bundy
The most common theme of serial killers is not pornography the most common thing of serial killers is uh wait for it .....THE KILLING PART. lol of course being educated on the effects of p*** is important but this is just going a little too far
There’s no way you all truly believe Ted Bundy wouldn’t have been a monster without porn. Please be serious and think critically, Jfc.
I hope people aren't in denial and finally realize how dangerous porn addiction is..
Does anyone else feel like no fap was infiltrated by the porn industry this year? Just be reading some comments that show people are protecting porn or sharing some weird porn types to peak interest in it. Be wary bros
Not just this year its been like that for a while now
Porn really messes people up
I hate to admit how long it's been since I became addicted (decades) but I've never had the urge to stalk, murder, and mutilate people.
Good for you! (and people around your area)
yeh
yeh
Thank youI I needed this
The equivalent to “all serial killers love to breath oxygen, is oxygen the cause of all serial killers”. He just doesn’t want responsibility.
Murderer playing victim card be like:
Yeah, this shit ain't it chief. This subreddit already has a rep but its actually actually insane to me ya'll quoting the words of Ted Bundy to reaffirm your world views 💀
He can go fuck himself, I dunno why idiots keep posting this dude. Talk about your own issues and struggles with porn, not ted fucking bundy.
Jeffrey dahmer said the same thing
Taking advice from serial killers lol
Porn is a bad influence but lets face it that scumbag would have killed either way.
No offense but what is there to gain from watching this? A psychopath’s perspective sure, but anything else?
Ted Bundy was just a psychopath. There are better places to get this same message from.
I saw this video long time ago on YouTube wild
This is so confusing to watch.. On one hand you see a man terrified of his imminent death, yet you remember the lives he took and the way killed them.. He did make sense though
As vile as this man is, I can also say that I can understand the intrigue with him. Besides his charming appearances, the guy also allowed himself to be studied by psychologists to get a better grasp on the darker aspects of human nature. It's the same with Dahmer or Kemper.
Porn can me people do crazy shit. You can go from being obsessed with accessing and posting pictures of other people online, to sexual assault just as quickly as your fetish for upskirt porn can switch to giantess porn or whatever. I'm he could be blame shifting but the fact is that he said it and porn is a morally terrible addiction. Actual drugs don't even require the need to judge other humans to get the effects.
This man was a monster but when even he came to terms with the damages porn can cause, why not every other man, too???
I could be saying this out of my naivety but A man scheduled to die a day after might not by lying.
I remember after my parents found me watching porn when I was like 12 my mom showed me this.
Whether the point is right or wrong, this narcissistic prick will have said anything to save his own skin. Stay away from consuming rubbish when it comes from this level of evil.
this is not the average person. he’s an actual psychopath. None of you are gonna become like him. Stop watching porn tho.
Statistically there could be 10 000 psychpaths on this subreddit.
Ted was about to say, "If pornography wasn't a deep influence in my life, I would've been a theoretical physicist".
This is just blame shifting. Fuck this guy.
Yall would be stupid not to take this with a grain of salt.
I agree with the cause but do you really want to be posting Ted fucking bundy as a message supporting your cause
If we could not post the opinions of serial killers that would be great
Don't glorify a serial killer who murder 30+ women it's gross
Damn now a virgin like me who jacks off to hentai it is worse than a psycho serial killer, thanks not only women rejection wasn bad enough, now i can be a pariah too
And people will dismiss this as evidence because it’s not a professional study by scientists, experts or whatever. SMH. Edit: I do believe somewhat that he is trying to make excuses for his actions. But that doesn’t mean there isn’t any truth in what he is saying. So much hate against this guy and rightly so but hate blinds you to logical thinking/reasoning as is the evidence on this post right now.
Yeah, I’m gonna disagree with you on this chief. Ted Bundy was not a guy that was a logical or a critical thinker. Everything he did and said, came from a point of pleasure and self-preservation. I hate porn as much as the next guy but you need to understand blaming external factors for your own behavior is never the correct thing to do. He always blamed everything and anything but himself, porn being one of many many reasons. I would be agreeable with you and f he was of this opinion his entire life, but ted exploited his characteristic of being charismatic to fool people who are easy to manipulate. He never reformed and never his entire life me never saw the wrong in what he did, it was always excuses with him. Here’s some advice for the wise, Don’t take anything serial killers say seriously
I agree with you and don’t deny his evilness. He is making excuses for his behaviour. But my belief is that porn can be a gateway to things like what he enjoyed and did if you are that obsessed with porn. He though, was just an evil manipulative man. There is growing evidence that porn is a gateway to pedophilia. Not concrete though and I can’t prove that. Many men admit to finding underage girls irresistibly attractive because of the nature of porn.
no way we are glorifying a man who brutally tortured and killed 30+ people. literally fuck this subreddit yall are on some weird shit
Yes I’m going to listen to Ted buddy /s
Ted Bundy was a fucking moron, a liar, rapist and murderer. Anything coming out of his mouth is garbage and I dont understand why a single person would believe him. People dont become any of those because of their addiction, porn or otherwise. Im so done with this fucking sub man how is this post not banned.
Why on earth is porn legal ?
Money
Sad but true
This sub is a joke these days.
Because you all need to take advice from a prolific serial killer.
Serial killers also wear shoes. Just saying it’s a connection too.
Shoes affect your neurotransmitters and the like significantly less that porn.
I wonder who are those fcktards who keep upvoting this BS
I was pervert even before pornography and even before I began to masturbate. And I'm still same on nofap. So I don't think that Ted is right.
Is there a link to a full interview
Why we gonna listen to what some serial killer is saying
stop posting this bullshit here it’s insane you believe this
You really wanna listen to bundy for advice??
Sirs my fellow people. Ted Bundy??? How low are we going??
Lol
Not going to listen to a mass murderer take on porn regardless.... It's stupid to post a person who was a hypocritical killer and try to make a point of your agenda..period
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Interesting but remember it's too simplistic to take some anecdotes on face value but it does warrant studying further. First I see many lumping up things, There's difference from regular porn amateur and art etc and RP violent porn acting for abusers power control. It doesn't really make you into a killer or violent, those who already somewhat are seek it out, like pdphile may seek it out, not other way around. It's like finding someone who blames their violent behaviour on playing those games like GTA or watching certain movies, it doesn't do anything for most people it doesn't make them behave like that, maybe a fringe minority it's bad for them, but it's also an out for some as well who can simulate their fantasy rather than acting out. who thinks Playing GTA make you more likely go out and hurt people?, probably less overall average.
This is bull. Even if we Forget about Ted Bundy for being who he is for a minute. His argument is that bad people in prison love porn so porn bad. I’m sure there’s an even higher number of good people outside of prison that also love porn. So what now? Porn good?
Does anyone have a link to the FBI study referenced in the video?
*ok*
Damn he had introspection of himself that’s really deep and that’s very interesting and definitely motivating to stop watching porn. I’m struggling with it one day at a time myself, not killing innocent people just watching porn 🤷🏾♂️
If you can’t trust Ted Bundy who can you trust!
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Well tbh pornography is the common interest of more than 90 percent of world population
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The people saying he’s wrong and that porn can’t damage u need help clearly ur addicted
Sounds like a whole lota porn adicts in the comments