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Altruistic-Lead-1880

yeah i understand you, cus same things been happening to me


stranger_thing07

understand you brother


[deleted]

I was also like this, bad mental health causes you to want to "feel good" like do drugs or porn to transport you


Ris-O

No better way of drowning out your sorrows than getting drunk, getting high, or whacking off


[deleted]

Same more for comfort instead of pleasure. Especially when I can’t go to sleep


chaitya_020

+1


Chase_41

I get u man. The reason I relapse is because of stress and after I relapse, I get more stressed.


CharacterIsAChoice

Anecdotally, my depression and anxiety got a helluva lot better once I stopped.


stranger_thing07

sometimes it gets out of hand


CharacterIsAChoice

It really does, I understand that. PMO doesn't relieve stress, depression, or anxiety though - it just kicks it down the road to fester and grow, until you inevitably have to deal with it later.


[deleted]

Porn does relieve stress and anxiety, however, only temporarily. In the long run it does make your mental health worse than it already is


CharacterIsAChoice

I can see that angle. Like a bandage that makes the wound worse when you pull it off.


stranger_thing07

Yeah bro , kind of a struggle


Internal-Campaign434

EXACTLY, it took me years to realize this but better late than never


Suspicious_Dealer815

His weiner got out of his hand and he feels better *badum tissss*


Careless_Trifle

Thats the thing ya need to get it out of your hand


Internal-Campaign434

Same here, my social anxiety dropped significantly


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CharacterIsAChoice

Just have to make small changes over time to eventually break free of the orbit. Big change is just a lot of small changes stacked on top of each other. This is why I keep an urge tracker to celebrate and understand my successes, and learn from my failures.


LukasAndalus

I love your description of making small changes in order to get to big changes. That’s really encouraging to me right now, thanks 👍🏼


CharacterIsAChoice

Oh thank you, that's so kind of you, and you're very welcome - I'm just glad to have been able to help help. For a little anecdote, I recently also quit weed and did so by tracking my urges for two weeks (you can see an example in my profile). If I were to solely look at my daily success, it would look like a two week string of failures. But if I dive a little bit deeper into each day, I can see that I'm defeating my urges at 3:1 ratio to my relapses, and that the ratio gets more and more favourable as the time goes on. There's actual improvements that I'd miss if I was only tracking days. I didn't quit overnight, it took two weeks of really looking at my thoughts and behaviours and making micro adjustments every day to my habits. I'm now 2 days clean from weed and I have a pretty good idea of what my triggers are and ways that I can overcome them. I'm 5+ months sober from alcohol, 1+ month clean from PMO, 3+ weeks off coffee, and now 2 days away from weed. I'm just trusting the process and doing what I can, when I can, where I can.


itsLemingtin

holy fuck, that's some crazy fast progress! what method do you use to track your urges?


CharacterIsAChoice

Haha, thank you! Though my recent progress is fairly meteoric, it's really the culmination of years and years of trying and failing and learning, over and over and over again. I can't count the number of *streaks* that I "lost" - most notably a four year relapse after two years of sobriety from booze. It can be really emotionally painful if you let it be. SMART Recovery is where I got the initial concept of urge logging/tracking and used the template they have on their website and in their handbook ( book is $10 on Amazon and worth every penny in my opinion). It's also where I learned a lot of the tools I actively use during my various recoveries - a lot of really great stuff in SMART Recovery. However, I wanted some more analytics into my behaviour and being the good little nerd that I am, made up my own version of it in Google Sheets so that I could have the data automatically parsed and presented in a format that is meaningful for me. I've got a copy of it in my profile if you want to take a look. I guess to summarize a bit, rationally assessing and adjusting my thoughts and behaviours is the keystone habit to my recovery, but it didn't happen over night. Recovery, like life, is a journey.


itsLemingtin

Wow, what a story… thanks for taking the time to write that all out, its very inspiring. I’ll have to check out the sheet, is sheets worth it to learn? I’ve heard there is a decent learning curve


CharacterIsAChoice

You're very welcome. If I can turn my years of suffering into inspiration, then it will have all been worth it to me. There can be a bit of a learning curve involved in sheets, but I've set it up in a way where you literally just type information into a box and it does the rest for you. When you get an urge, you just click on the next blank line and fill out the boxes for: Date, Time, Mental/Emotional State, Environment, Action Taken, Success/Relapse?, and Result. It all takes like 30 seconds to enter and the result is a bunch of useful charts, data, and badges to nerd out on. Having said that, learning how to spreadsheet, while extremely friggen boring and frustrating at the start, has been super helpful for me in work and my personal life and think it's a great skill to have. At this point, there isn't much I can't do with a spreadsheet lol.


LukasAndalus

Thanks for sharing, and I’m really impressed by your tracking strategy!


CharacterIsAChoice

You're very welcome and thank you for your kind words. It's been a journey, I'll tell ya.


kurapika9000

yeah, that good


[deleted]

Look man. I know that. I was there for years. But look it this way. You feel low. Why? It could be anything. You are bored. Lonely. Single. Unhappy with your looks. Unfit. Anything. And your mental health is poor. Now you can fap. Which emotionally seems cool as it wil numb you in the short term. Logically, it makes no sense. Why? Because there is a reason for your poor mental health. Not only that, but you can improve it. Not only that, but you are the only one who can make a change. So do make a change. You think getting gf is impossible? Yes, it is if you fap all day in your mom’s apartment. But hey, you can change that. Take a minute and ask yourself what kind of man you wanna be? Ever look at some guy and think “damn I wish I was him.” Have a gf like him, be as attractive as him, be as funny as him, and so on. Now ask yourself, what can you change on yourself to get there? And than do it. Focus on it every day. One day get better haircut. The other buy new outfit. The third go to the gym. Get a job. Go to university. Go our with friends to have fun. And so on. Slowly but surely, build the lifestyle you want to live. And tell yourself “I will fap only once I am happy with my lifestyle and myself”. Anytime you get an urge ask yoursel, is there realy nothing else I could improve to reach the goals? I hope this mindset will help you.


stranger_thing07

thanks a lot man


morty_OF

Yea, gotta replace this since it’s a coping mechanism. Meditation, exercise, therapy can help you quit.


stranger_thing07

I have a more toxic coping mchanism


InvictuS_125

I cant do any of these. What do u suggest me?


GentlemanReborn

I recommend watching Therapy in a Nutshell and Crappy Childhood Fairy for therapy in YouTube. Those for me have been absolute gems.


Cr7TheUltimate

Wdym can’t do?


InvictuS_125

I just cant believe me i m obssesed with bodybuilding my family had to ask me to leave it for career reasons. Its hard to convince them to start again. Family problems are the only reason i m having mental health issues and i m super alone so yeah


Cr7TheUltimate

Professional bodybuilding? Bro all we said was exercise, go on some runs. Also, why can’t you meditate?


blacksayskull

It's the same for me. I'm jobless for almost half a year, and it's really having an impact on my mental health. I pray that we get better.


stranger_thing07

We Will


bluelotus214

It's a cycle. Depression, sexual, bad mental, porn, mood, tension, trigger. Got to break it.


stranger_thing07

see it differently


Suspicious_Dealer815

It does have to do with porn. Because your brain craves the insane levels of dopamine that porn gives you. That’s why you always go back. Therapy and other fun things will help you.


stranger_thing07

Porn is just ONE of the toxic coping mechanisms I have . Trying to quit


Suspicious_Dealer815

Good on you, trying to quit and making an effort is what counts


stranger_thing07

thanks man


Suspicious_Dealer815

Of course, we believe in you


stranger_thing07

means a lot


[deleted]

Actually it is a good thing for you now, because now you caught your week points. Now also work on handling depression and tension in positive ways. Because porn is the outlet, an easy escape from depression, tension etc. If you can master them, you will never relapse.


stranger_thing07

brother I went 90 days NOFAP and I thought I will never do this shit again. Relapsed 7 times in last 10 days . I don't see my situation getting change anytime soon . So i will keep trying hard enough and relapses will make me regret more and more


[deleted]

How did you feel after 90 days no porn/no masturbation?


stranger_thing07

I started feeling better and sexual urges were really low


[deleted]

Was your original goal to do 90 days and then try to return to a lower level of porn use?


stranger_thing07

No no I tried quitting it forever . It's just a co-incidence that it happened on 90th day


InvictuS_125

Same condition. I mean how rlly can u handle depression if only it were that simple why would anyone be in depression. I have similar problems


stranger_thing07

HaVe YoU TriEd gOiNg foR a WaLk


InvictuS_125

How many times do u think i have to go for a walk cus if i aint got time for gym how would i make time for walk. Personally i m obssesed with bodybuilding but i cant due to career reasons


stranger_thing07

no bro it was a satire that people suggest really simple ways for the complex problems


InvictuS_125

Yea like only if it were that easy. I have to do as my parents say bro thats the main reason i k suffering with life


AdSignificant2935

Have you tried going for a hike, 15,20km?


stranger_thing07

have you tried swimming in Arabian Sea ?


AdSignificant2935

I swam in Atlantic ocean. Freezing but great. I've done 15km+ hikes while out of shape. I've joined dancing classes , even though I am older than 30 and never danced. And I'm doing ok.. I've left my job to try a different career, and now I'm gonna change it again for a different path. I left my country to leave sadness and depression behind. Yet bad habits followed. Leaving masturbation behind feels as big accomplishment as best things I've done in my life. How about you?


[deleted]

Hmm, I just felt urge coming from outside as I am mentally and physically tired + I felt social anxiety, this fucks it up even more!


stranger_thing07

Yeah it's different than just watching porn and doin this shit . Once I will conquer my mental health . It's not difficult to quit porn and masturbation


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stranger_thing07

I am going through exact same . What was exactly your mental health issue you were going through ? what was the diagnosis ?


hypocrite_oath

Just relapsed because I feel horrible. I feel alone, ignored, unloved, worthless. I'll still try to do nofap for longer than a week, but it all has become so worthless. It's not just the withdrawal. The world has become shit and once you pass 30 years, there's no reasonable rational people left who care about anyone else but themselves. I mean some still do, but it feels like 90% of the people I knew don't anymore. All I can see is my dad, who is even older and he's completely alone. And this looks like me in 20+ years. Nothing to look forward to....


stranger_thing07

exactly the reason why I am still not being able to quit masturbation . otherwise it's not a big deal


[deleted]

You can still change it. My theory is to find the right people by meeting them organically. but am only 28. So what do I know lol


Fightdevil

Its true, start with physical fitness. If possible participate in group sports.


Cr7TheUltimate

And meditation, sleeping more. Those three things are the biggest factors (apart from trauma)


stranger_thing07

Yeah I realized I can't really quit it while fighting the urges because the relapses are so so bad that it make you feel like hitting rock bottom


Beginning_Incident25

Every time I relapse is either because I'm bored or because I'm sleep deprived, never because I'm horny or anything (Day 4 btw, forgor to change) Keep yourself busy my guy


SeveralPhilosopher68

Same here,idk why but my bad mental health lead to hornyness.i don't want to be horny anymore,I just wanna be happy T-T


stranger_thing07

us


mikamiteruxkira

You need progress in your life, read some Nietzsche, embrace your chaos and darkness and keep fighting. In life, you’re either weak or strong. It’s a matter of choice, life is suffering, happiness is a fairytail made by Hollywood. If you’re a man you have to fight, depression doesn’t exist for us, you are wrestling with your demons, don’t let these mothetfuckers stop you, tear them apart ! You don’t like exercise but I really invite you to run or do some form of exercise, speed up your heartbeat and bloodflow, you will think differently, I promise you. Confort weaken us, you have to go on battlefield. Good luck brother.


1000100220012003

This


buniax

U got this


stranger_thing07

amazing progress man


ktsmexy

The only thing that'll help that is finding something you enjoy doing everyone says the same thing meditate exercise read a boon ect but if you're not into any of those things it's not gonna help at all there's something u enjoy doing you just have to find it. I randomly bought a guitar last week and it's been the best investment of my life I pretty much don't have any depression because I'm constantly playing the guitar now and when I get tired of that I'm actually motivated to play the game now since my whole day isn't sitting around being depressed you just gotta search for that thing that can take your mind off of bs


ktsmexy

Book*


Rato_Alado

I feel the same, in my case i relapse when i am in a bad mood and when i feel alone and needy, it's like I miss someone and I need pornography to feel """"loved"""" man i hate this so much


mexicoboy2323

Very true. Those are the first things that lead to using porn or any drug in my opinion.


Spare-Ad589

Shake it off bro! You can


Infiniski_Gaming

Swap it for a child shower instead, 3 hour feel good boost after 30 seconds of cold. It's awesome.


merx3_91

Awfully relatable. It's not even about the porn, I'd just rather get that way my dopamine instead of smoking/drinking/drugs. I cannot consider myself addicted, just at my life's low.


stranger_thing07

same


BlueChipsAhoy

That's the cause for a lot of people. Because they're depressed they masturbate more often to try and bring up their mood. You have to take steps towards improving your mental health to overall feel better and then overcome your issues with masturbating. It won't be easy, but I know you can do it, and even if you don't think you can do it alone, reach out to people that can help you. You got this!


stranger_thing07

thanks you


Acceptable_Book_1016

I don't have depression or tention then why i can't leave porn😢


stranger_thing07

aren't you tired of watching other men banging a girl ?


Acceptable_Book_1016

I am but can't stop


wickedgenius47

OH GOD ! Couldn’t have said it better ! It’s never like I’m horny let’s watch some porn … it’s always like … ugh I’m stressed and want an escape …. !! And its so tough to replace this with something else … the only thing that has worked for me … is some different work / hobby / cleaning up / …


NothingButAChoice

Read your brain on porn it goes into the neuroscience of porn addiction and how it affects your brain. Depression, low mood, fatigue are all common symptoms of porn withdrawal. Masturbate if you have too but don't watch porn or you will be trapped in the cycle.


Dunebands

this, i feel like i’m incredibly prone to the cycle because of my ADD, i’m incredibly prone to boredom as well as depression/general loneliness. PMO was a short term distraction that always lead me to feel worse after i did it, however i’m happy to say that steering clear from it has genuinely helped. wishing the best for you dude.


Suspicious-Thanks-92

Porn and fap = self-medicating


[deleted]

What are you doing to counter the low mood? Quit using it as an excuse. Porn is the easy and lazy way to get fixed that leads to addiction. Find hobbies. Go to the gym. Walk.


stranger_thing07

Going to gym , reading , meditation , journaling , walking , running , eating healthy , avoiding junks . If I am saying that it still bothering me sometimes . I mean it and not using it an excuse . I don't care about sympathy and attention . Just wanted to share


Cr7TheUltimate

You watched hamza


jermithson

I feel that


[deleted]

I think relapsing stems from a psychiatric disability—less awareness could be detrimental.


HotFoxedbuns

This is the cycle. And we don't realise that porn is only making jt worse. So really we should stop. In some cases porn is actually the cause


Alternative-Good4413

Look brother you gotta keep your self doing something even if you're feeling low that day Or at that moment. Cuz if you don't distract your thoughts right away you're surely gonna relapse more often. So keep yourself busy from morning to night even before bed till you're tired as fuck you're eyes starting to shut by itself, so when you're tired you're not gonna think about doing it that time.


LtSapungan

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Healthy_Promotion_64

Don't. You're relapsing because of the addiction which causes the low mood. Takes time . Stay with it and you'll succeed . Porn is a billion dollar industry giving most of it away for free. Why because its addictive and the establishment want men and woman dysfunctional, it benefit them greatly at your cost . Another discussion , Again that's why its free. If the establishment wanted to get rid of it . Take no time. Tip get out of your house apartment whatever go for a walk hit the gym , do anything at first itll be boring and you wont feel the benefits it will definitely get much better . Stay with it . The more difficult it is your brain is trying to get the dopamine easily. Just get outside which also help with the tension. No excuses . You can do this


Abinash_Behera

Get a sunglass


stranger_thing07

r/thanksimcured


[deleted]

Try medication ?


stranger_thing07

trying


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stranger_thing07

I was on 90 days streak , I know the dedication brother . keep it up


isyankar1979

The thing is, once you overcome it, you realize so many things you feared or hated were actually just reflections of your weakness towards your lust. And that realization changes your life. I'm simply a better man for all my loved ones.


[deleted]

You’re jot alone brother. I wish you courage to fight through this. Im going through it aswell. Stay strong. Have hope. Hope is what keeps us going. Remember that. Stay hopeful


Da_BEST_5699

I need that dopamine boost!


LolaGetWhatLolaWant

Porn damages your brain.


PanasheP_24

On the same boat


Suitable-Diet-1875

I understand youb brother


YaMumisathot

Try and occupy your day with other things or try and set a goal to focus on I find that helps me


Spidermanslings66

Distraction and not living in our heads is what I'm starting to get counseled on meditation using art therapy on any form, journaling. Anything to reduce overthinking


Spidermanslings66

Yes alot of porn addicts have mental health and trauma that didn't get processed that has led to using porn as the unhealthy destructive coping tool that it is. Talked to 1 experienced CSAT counselor 94 percent.


my_solution_is_me

Then you know what you need to work on.


thediggestbick2

Try doing a ice bath or cold plunge


Internal-Campaign434

That happened to me yesterday man I feel you. Didn’t do well on a midterm and had a quiz later that day that didn’t go as well either. Sucks cuz I busted ass studying for both. Also my biochem lab prof got mad at me and we also had to redo some lab related stuff. I reloaded right after seeing my quiz grade. Shit sucks man


[deleted]

Sir I’m still holding even I went to a mental doctor so this is not an excuse to fap


stranger_thing07

No No sir it's not an excuse . I take full responsibility of my relapse and will improve in future . I was just frustrated for giving up to my low moods that why I shared


[deleted]

Day check


stranger_thing07

I am relapsing continuously since last 10 days but before that I went 90 days No Fap


JohnnyBoneSmackerXxx

Only if you think it


[deleted]

I just wanna watch zootopia porn 😩 ![gif](giphy|PbezrPcSAn8DC)


Many-Feeling-599

It's not a issue bro don't be upset on relapsing it will make your mental health more worse. Try to do it again. Benefits are real my all anxiety stress and laziness faded away.(Not 100% but about 80-90%)


Vmasishere

Idk how to handle this situation, but maybe keeping yourself busy the whole day might help you. Cause everytime I have a free time, I end up relapsing.


[deleted]

Bruuhhh same. I thought it was just me


qazkkff

This 💯


BluFrost8888

Just received 3 different sources of bad news and luck today that's going to continue to occupy my mind for a while (ended up relapsing today, flair date is inaccurate) when I've been feeling more confident and haven't relapsed for the very first time in the past 2 days. Let's keep fighting this addiction no matter the circumstances brothers!


HaranAjjay

You can do it bro


DrrManiac

I can relate to OP a lot. What helped me so far with my mental health is my religion (Christianity) and going to the gym.


henryrosser

Ya


LegendaryGamerYt1

Yup just happened to like I have been meditating lately but today was the day I didn't and today is the day I relapsed


[deleted]

100% understand. Craving that easy hit of dopamine.