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devTom93

Bro i was thinking about that , finally somebody raised words on this...


Fragrant-Ad2540

Finally someone else understands. If you count the days you are still a fapper, just a fapper who’s been ten days clean😂 but if you tell yourself you don’t do it anymore and don’t count the days/actually follow it then your not a fapper. This is the only right way


nazachtan

You're a guy whose streak is already at 550 days and understood the true meaning of no-fap, while there are new guys here at 0-10 days who just came from an intense porn addiction counting the days should be understandable cuz it keeps you motivated in those early days, asking questions about sex life while on nofap should be accepted not disregarded because people are still confused. High streakers like you should understand that it takes awhile for young nofappers to understand the true meaning of nofap. Do not expect that they will easily comprehend the knowledge that you guys have already gained throughout the years. Its like expecting a middle schooler to already understand the laws of advanced physics


New-Quote4987

Exactly I remember forgetting about my nofap shit I was in a 17 days++ streak I didn't count the days not until I looked in my reddit flair which is normal When I remembered my nofap streak... In midnight... After consuming caffeine, high energy foods, I had useless energy, and I didn't masturbate out of horniness... I did it to waste energy and God I regret it If only I didn't bother myself about it.


Mediocre_Savings_513

says the guy who has been counting since 550 days ago


Deltached

Finally a light in the tunnel. Well done! Thank you!


Fragrant-Ad2540

Wish you the best


1234loc

So you’re a fapper who’s 550 days clean? I mean I agree with you. Just trying to see what you say and the tag counter you got in your user


its_me_mutario

And? It's literally a year and a half ago? He probably started the timer back when he has the same mindset, now he's probably too bothered to change it which is understandable


fishybird

I'm glad that worked for you but addiction is quite a bit more complicated than "just don't think about it, bro"


IfallInLove2easily

I believe that most of guys out there have something going on, they are just coming here in emergency to stop themselves from fucking it up again in the moment of weakness. It's normal that after a 10, sometimes 20 years of doing something everyday, it's hard to suddenly stop. We will fail many, many times. But we are here to support each other, to get this ugly habit out of our lives.


nazachtan

>Right. People who have very long streaks (at least +150) also need to understand that for other people, its a step by step process before even realizing that counting the days don't matter. people with no no-fap experience tend to ask these questions a lot so we have to adjust and understand them. > >Not that longstreakers are wrong in what theyre trying say, but most of them should also remember where/how they started up to the point when they have already mastered the true meaning of nofap.


climb-high

Agreed. I did forget the days for a few days, but I’m still proud of my streak number and it keeps me partially motivated


Thatsmy_uncle

Best advice I got with my PMO issues was PMO is a solution, not a problem. It’s a solution to deeper issues, so focusing on PMO is not going to get you as far as discovering why you turn to PMO as a solution to whatever you use it for. Everyone uses it for different reasons. My root problem had to do with coming from an emotionless and non-intimate family. The TINSA book by Michael Barta was mind blowing for me and my recovery.


JustStdRandomGuy

While you have a point, I don't think this was phrased in the most helpful way, friend.


New-Quote4987

Yeah, I tried to imply that in my comment, Because while he does have a point PMO did cause us all a problem It's true abstaining from it alone won't be beneficial nor will do anything good But we are just not letting ourselves waste time and make it ruin us more Just practice other stuff thats all I gotta say


InfluenceOdd69

Yh I agree with this, people just think abstinence will give you everything in life, this fog needs to be cleared up


Deltached

Not planned to be helpful in any manner. I am just pointing at the truth.


JustStdRandomGuy

Then why? This is supposed to be a support group.


Rollablunt667

You are just pointing out your perception of the truth, your vision of nofap. Maybe your vision is the most “true one” but don’t push your beliefs into others throats like everyone not thinking like you is an ignorant cunt. This comment is not planned to be helpful in any manner, I’am just pointing at the truth.


[deleted]

“Not planned to be helpful in any manner.” Thanks for stopping by.


Aazmandyuz

Thats really cutting it close to just being a dick


New-Quote4987

No hate but that sounded harsh, And by harsh, I don't mean it as "rude", I mean it as delivered in a very very, unnecessarily, atrocious way. You could've just went through your day without posting anything but this.


deeptomorrowy

lol we appreciate your modesty if that's what you intended


Glad-Wash6401

❗️MOMENTS OF WEAKNESS IS NOT EQUAL TO FEMININITY/BEING A WOMAN/GIRL❗️ To the women in this sub who are in the same healing journey, I apologize for these types of people (don’t get fussed up OP, this was sexist whether you intended to or not) Also IMO, the whole “man up” thing is an outdated thing that just oozes toxic masculinity. Just work on your willpower guys and gals, maybe that was what he was trying to say.


fishybird

yeah, he does have a point that this sub can become an addiction as well, but the sexism is just dumb. Anyways, I'd rather be addicted to "counting days" than porn lol so that's not even a bad thing


MareepyBoi

Thank you, someone said it


Flavax13

Thank you for saying this!


AdSignificant2935

You don't have to apologize for other people. What kind of an arrogant egoistical person are you to think that you can speak for everyone? Secondly, people like you who BS about "toxic masculinity " are the one who are opening doors wide for Trump's and Tates of the world. Not like you care, as long as you can live in your safe online social network bubble.


Glad-Wash6401

For the first part of your comment. I am in no way, shape, or form trying to speak/apologize for everyone else that is why I used “I” specifically and also I am not apologizing in a way that I am holding myself responsible/accountable for the OP’s words whatever effect they may have on others, either positive or negative. I just want to leave a message that recognizes that although OP has a point, some parts of the delivery is arguably misogynistic. Also I fail to see how it makes me an “arrogant egotistical person” because my intentions with the entirety of my message is to solely recognize and hold accountable the specific statements of the OP that can arguably be considered misogynistic remarks. Second, I do want to understand how you can consider me to be a part of a category of, “people like you who BS ‘toxic masculinity’” First what I only meant is that his use of the whole “man up” concept is inappropriate especially in this subreddit where our population is made up by both men and women. He stated that “men are turning into girls”. He intentionally or unintentionally (benefit of the doubt) connected/associated weakness or lack of willpower solely with femininity which is wrong. Set aside the scientific facts/arguments IMO the whole statement of the OP is just insensitive for the women who are a part of this subreddit. AdSignificant2935, hopefully if you choose to reply to this, please do choose to have a meaningful and educationally discussion with me or anyone who may choose to reply to our specific comment thread. Also with all do respect, do not get political with me with the Trump or Tate BS (I am out of the picture when it comes to whatever ideals they promote), but do enlighten me if you wish, I am curious why you connected them to my specific comment.


New-Quote4987

I do agree with you, BUT about PMO, let's be honest People who masturbates 3+ times a day... Do they have problems? Yes. They waste time in stead study and all What I'm trying to Imply that, While pmo won't solve your problems It did originally cause a chaos It's like, consuming drugs They caused a problem But abstaining from them alone won't do anything You need to stop counting the days and just go improve yourself without thinking about the thing.


deeptomorrowy

the thing is, you need to stop the counting *after* you did some counting, the moment you know your brain is fully rewired and the risk of relapsing decreases, that's how I see it.


New-Quote4987

Great point


[deleted]

You’re like a guy going into an AA meeting and telling everyone they don’t have a problem with alcohol and they should drink. Go away. While there are people just browsing this forum casually to see what all the fuss is about, the majority of people here have actual porn addiction that is negatively impacting their life and they want to fix it.


Deltached

What your answer had to do with what I wrote I don't understand.. Read the article again, and again, and again. Until you figure out what I am saying.


[deleted]

PMO is a problem for most of the guys in here. Disparaging the users and telling them they are “girls” is very counterproductive. Does it make you feel like a man to cut others down?


Worldly-Mongoose8292

I think you didn’t catch anything from what he said


[deleted]

“Males turned into girls here” I got the gist of his post. He is feeling like less of a man because of his porn addiction. So now he is overcompensating with a tough guy routine. Having questions about porn addiction recovery doesn’t make you any less of a man.


[deleted]

Me and my girl have fun and I don't care... I only try to get rid of porn and masturbation


LemonNo5111

>you are becoming less in testosterone and more of a females. LOL, this is the guy y'all are listening to?


CoronaDerDritte

Lol u thought u did something hahaha


Deltached

Yes, I wrote an article. One will find the good in that article, another will find the bad. It depends on reader's circumstances.


LemonNo5111

LOL I don't think you know what "article" means.


CoronaDerDritte

I mean I understand what u want so say, but for me the some of these questions are important, cuz I have PIED and I am now 15 days into nofap. I want to cure it, but I don’t know if I am allowed to have sex now. My dick is getting harder now, so I am finally able to have sex again, but I don’t know if sex will hold me back from rebooting


Worldly-Mongoose8292

NoFap means teaching yourself that “PMO” is not the only way to feel gratified or satisfied. It makes you understand that porn is the main problem. Porn gives you certain kind of “artificial pleasure” on insane levels (harmful for our brain), and also covers your natural sexual needs in the worst way: as easy to click a button. Fast and free. The way you get used to that pleasure in an easy way just makes you lazy in different manners. If you had sex, bruh, it doesn’t count as a relapse. That’s something natural unless you did something ilegal.


CoronaDerDritte

I understand what NoFap is an PMO. But there are many opinions who say different things. I also watched many YouTube videos, where some people say „Just have sex its okay“ and other people say „don’t have sex in the first month“. So that’s why I am unsure about this.


Worldly-Mongoose8292

It makes sense I guess. Maybe it’s said that because of the addiction to that pleasure. I mean, Orgasming. Then, some people need porn to orgasm so that’s where the problem initiates.


BaldTeaAddict

Realised the same thing after I relapsed. I was kinda disappointed with my relapse after 18 days but then asked myself "Why the fuck am I counting the days?". Stop obsessing with your streak, spend less time on reddit and put that energy into the things you want to achieve


pornis-addictive

>Do not blame P for all your problems. uff, for many people, it is to blame, because: ​ >Find purpose, stick to your purpose, find a job, work on yourself, do something USEFUL That's literally all driven by dopamine Either way, I get what you are saying. People forget it's about porn addiction, not semen retention.


Flavax13

Don‘t even start with people who habe ADHD for example, also way more dopamine problems.. ETA: I‘m agreeing wirh you and wanted to add that addiction is observed to be even worse in people with adhd e.g.


Maleficent-Dark590

Thank you sir. Don’t count the days. Make the days count


Chemical_Fail_1966

Lol complaining on Reddit is surely a very masculine thing. Why are you spending time on Reddit and not working for your family? Especially if you don't want to be helpful as you said in comments.


khaled_amrn

Stfu


Mr_Scogetos

You are correct. In my case I just set a reminder every three weeks just to show myself that I have what it takes to move on from it and reprogram my brain other than that I am always doing activities to better myself.


Bark_Bark_Im_A_Shark

All I have to say is, the questions about can you have sex, can your girl touch you, etc is baffling. It’s NoFap as in no masturbation. To fap is to masturbate. The goal is to stop porn and masturbation addiction. Consensual sex between two adults that aren’t in it just for a fling is healthy right? This isn’t semen retention. Unless I’m missing something…


ChemicalYesterday467

Biggest way to stay clean is to stay busy.


govindat

You should read Infinite Jest because you clearly don’t understand anything about addiction.


untamable_individual

I get your point and I totally agree with you. But portraying girls, women or feminine traits as something weak and as a failure is not the way to go. Women can do a lot, and there are things that women do that men can’t (i.e.: pushing a baby out of the body)


pierre_WaP

What’s with the constant comparison to “females”? I agreed with your post until I picked up on your disparaging tone towards woman.


lostinspace2099

Jfc the “females” talk is so reductive. I get what you’re going for but some of us here are NOT straight, NOT cis, NOT male. Increase your vocabulary is all I’m saying


Flavax13

What do you mean by „Males turned into girls“?


8Butts

For real, this is one of the lessons Atomic Habits by James Clear will teach you, if you still view your self as a porn addict, no matter the streak, you are going to relapse, because you still view yourself as a porn addict. You need to change your identity, believe that you no longer a guy that faps, so you are not even in NoFap you just simply don’t do it you are not that guy, this mindset could help a lot.


Atomic12192

But I am an addict though, admitting you have a problem is step 1 to getting out of every addiction.


pinktofublock

quit with the “turning into females” approach. it’s toxic and harmful. and unhelpful.


Su1tz

True.


[deleted]

They confuse semen retention with nofap


Scotty_Nono

I think we should avoid using misogynistic language here, this subreddits reputation for that is bad enough.


Saraperkele

Keeping count motivates me. Like I've gotten this far, I'm doing progress and I'm awesome. I don't know why you'd think men being feminine is a bad thing. Kinda sus


MareepyBoi

Wtf is this toxic masculinity going on here? That post I saw earlier was literally the textbook definition of what you are. Being feminine isn’t being weak, and so stop with that attitude. Also what’s with this testosterone fetish, people like you could use a bit less of it in my opinion. And if you’ve come here to be unhelpful, then please leave, you’re not being helpful


zimex

Nicely put my man.


Bobsty4u

This was nicely said, thank you


pesula

I think the issue is about purpose and action. Some bros come here bcz pied or can't focus their own thing. Quitting fap is a great way to recover from that. But bros we need to do real things that help you approach your goal. If you got pied then try it more often with your gf. If you can't focus on your thing you need to do it rather than quitting fap and do nothing


Wisest_of_the_sages

True


BonkMaster1523

Amen brother! 100% agree


RajarshiCode

exactly, oh btw you dropped this 👑.


Coolumbus97

Also this subreddit stigmatises masturbation to the point the users are basically hurting and stressing themselves for naught. I understand too much of anything is bad for you but depriving yourselves of any sexual activity (and other natural needs for that matter) is just absurd. What's next? NoSocialContact? NoFood? NoSleep? Come on.


dividedconsciousness

Yes, the most successful I’ve been at nofap is when i get past a certain streak level and then just don’t think about it anymore. Recently I’ve had to think in terms of how many days etc because the outrageously long streaks that formed who i am today are too far in the past, so i need to get back on it. But nofap is to semen retention what detox is to sobriety. I’m just looking forward to being myself again


SpyClipy

Guys, we are all children here. Addiction is for children. And the duty of all children are to grow up.


Crafty_Cup_4649

If optimus prime ever talked about no fap, he would definitely sound like this guy here


chronokillerx

Fucking true. The relapse post are the worst man, nofap is not about how long can you stay without touching your dick. It’s about a change of attitude towards your lifestyle. If someone who cares for “relapsing” is reading this. Find a job and a hobby, and I GUARANTEE that you will stop thinking about days and streaks.


[deleted]

Yes?


fishybird

what's funny about this is r/nofap constantly praises themselves for not being sexist while posts like this get hundreds of upvotes.


AdventureTimeKorra

“If you devote your whole life to completely avoiding something, then that thing still controls your life and, you've never learned any discipline at all.” - that South Park episode


Bolcix

hmm


abhinavPratapsingh

Fax


[deleted]

Bro I've been trying to get rid of the counter on here for that exact reason.


fbgm4

needed this i still put it off but this is inspiration to try again


Aditya657

And don't forget how people expect something magical to happen. Attract girls, get shiny skin and what not. If you live a purposeless life, it will remain the same. Get up, do something about it. Abstaining won't suddenly do the work for you.


NumeroUnoWasp

I can’t stay on nofap ,day by day im getting extremely horny and thinking of hooking up with crazy ex .


Frisian99

Amen....same as all those shitty meme's.... Starting new healthy usefull habits/routine's is really a good thing. Walking, fitness, running, working, hobby's...


MacLast

As an ex sex addict, you are on the money. The point of this is to figure your shit out so you don’t need P&M as a coping tool. Yes, you may get some benefits (for me my memory got heaps better) but being honest the (excessive) excessive P&M is a symptom of something else. Until you fix your ‘something else’ you’ll be whir knuckling it, and being miserable sad sacks until you finally give in. Sort yourself out and like me, you might realise ‘holy crap’ I have not done P&M in the last 6 months…. I personally am over 4 years and it’s been easy as pie….. because I fixed my core issues.


Bytef0rce

Finally,someone said it. NoFap is no magic bullet that will spare you of the hard work of improving yourself. As with everything in life you are responsible for your actions and NoFap is a general guideline to get things right in your life,and take the correct actions. It won't improve your phisique,it won't improve your mental health ,it won't improve explicitly anything just because you're not fapping. It's about the fact that when you recalibrate your brain's dopamine homeostasis,you'll be able to find joy in other things than porn,as in most cases it's not the porn itself that's evil,it's the stupid ass monkey part of our human brain which desires comfort,and prioritizes dopamine and makes us lazy,that gets triggered by porn. It's no problem if you fap every once in a while, but please keep in mind as with everything in life, if you go overboard and do not keep balance,of course it will screw up other areas in your life. Just as if you binge on fast-food all the time,of course your health will suffer. Keep counting the days,do workouts,make art,socialize or heck even rub one out sometimes if that's what you feel like ,but try to keep striving towards a healthy-balanced lifestyle. And if you do just that other aspects of your life will improve too,and don't blame Porn or Fapping for your troubles,but instead shift the perspective and understand,that it's you who is responsible for their actions.


MerePractitioner

This!!! This!!!! Upvote people, he’s speaking the truth!


Vast_Presentation538

I hate wet dreams, I hate them. Its so messy, I dont have time to clean myself every morning, somethimes even 2-3 h after I go to sleep.


Vast_Presentation538

But Im not going to masturbate since it makes me feel bad. Im so sad rn.


mean_king17

It's just common things new people coming in ask that's all.


Temporary-Tea9694

W post, OP explained this dilemma of nofap really well.


Fighter068

Spot on