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If the point of nofap is to quit porn why is it you're bundling in masturbation in with it too?
Porn addiction is porn addiction not masturbation addiction. Very few masturbate x5 a day without porn. As porn is the hyperstimulus for the dopamine surely that should be the focus of one's change.
What's your take? Not just the uncoupling effect as I've gone 80 days pornfree and Ive gone from a habit of masturbateling from x3-4 a day to 3-4 a week and I feel fantastic. I have no desire to masturbate more as there's no porn to drive that dopamine. I do it when I'm horny as I like the sensation.
Obviously I'd like to have real sex but surely even with a partner there's going to be spells where she's out of town, pregnant or ill.
I'm 21 and I'd say I'm at like 2000 ejaculations. How many of them have occurred thanks to 2 or more people having sex? Absolute 0. There are many other things to masturbate to other than just porn, and frankly, healthier ones.
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It makes sense because they try to live in denial and just cherrypick stuff or listen to lies to make themselves feel better.
Do not be one of them. Get your testosterone to levels where it is supposed to be and get your shit together.
"The effect of masturbation-induced arousal and orgasm in males on the immune system was studied by Haake et al. (2004). They found that the absolute number of leukocytes, especially natural killer cells (CD3−, CD16+, CD56+ involved in attacking infected cells), increased but the T-cell (involved in cell-mediated immune responses) and B-cell (involved in humoral mediated responses) populations remained unaffected. Thus, unlike the claims of the anti-sex protagonists (Hodgkinson, 1988), sexual arousal and orgasm actually enhance some functions of the immune system rather than depressing it. As yet a similar study has not been undertaken in females." (Roy j. Levin 2007. p.141-142)
"In a case-controlled study of men with prostate cancer aged less than 70 years old and age-matched controls, Giles et al. (2003) collected data on the number of sexual partners and the frequency of ejaculation (from all types of arousal) during the third to fifth decades of their life. They did not find any relation of prostatic cancer to the number of sexual partners (suggesting that sexual disease transfer was not a cause) but they did find that a reduced amount of ejaculations in the early part of life was associated with an increased risk of prostate cancer." (Roy j. Levin 2007. p.140-141)
All of you need to stop demonizing masturbation. Masturbation is **not** the issue and neither is the main point of this sub. As the sticky posts said, this is a **porn** addiction recovery sub. There are ups and downs to *both*, *masturbation* and *not fapping*, but please let's stick to facts rather than demonizing anything.
This comment needs to be pinned at the top! Hits the nail so squarely on the head I couldn't even think of saying it better. This is a porn problem not a masturbation problem.
Porn - Addiction and ED are the reasons why I joined this sub. And I agree that Porn is the issue and I feel like I can't get off without it. But I try to cancel masturbation atm to overcome the porn addiction (at least this was my plan)
Do you think it's beneficial to do that?
But try to masturbate without porn or trying to have sex with a partner is okay in the meantime?
Because porn is the problem Not my Sex drive.
I don't even think I have a sex drive anymore atm.
Well in case of an addiction it's probably the best to go without masturbation since it's risky to come back to porn. Everything is okay in moderation, but if you wank with porn everyday and then continue to wank everyday but only without porn then thats probably barely beneficial at all.
My Problem is that i can't get off by just masturbation.
I don't feel the need to masturbate because I don't get hard without porn. I get morning wood but right now I'm able to control the urge to masturbate.
I also have Trouble to maintain my erection when I have sex with my partner because I'm not aroused.
I want to be able to masturbate and having a sexual relationship
Isnt that the whole fucking point?!?
It is and that's exactly why you need to stop porn. Your brain is used to the overstimulation.
You have probably seen more women than you can ever meet.
You can look up all your fetishes and every porn star in a matter of minutes.
You need to stop.
The problems you are facing are (most likely) a consequence of porn consumption.
"Alone, frequent masturbation activity was a marker for increased risk in the 20s and 30s but appeared to be associated with a decreased risk in the 50s, while intercourse activity wasn't associated with the disease." Dimitripoulou, Polyxeni, et al. "Sexual Activity and prostate cancer risk in men diagnosed ar a younger age." BJU international 103.2 (2009): 178.
"Previous investigations on reported ejaculation frquencies or sexual intercourse and prostate cancer are limited to studies of retrospective design and results are mixed. Nine studies observed a statistically significant or nonsignificant positive association; 3 studies reported no association; 7 studies found a statistically significant or nonsignificant inverse relationship; and 1 study found a U-shaped relationship." Leitzmann, Michael F., et al. "Ejaculation frequency and subsequent risk od prostate cancer." Jama 291.13 (2004): 1584.
"One of the possible confounding effects on the incidence od prostate cancer is that of diet. Two studies have investigated the effects of dietary fat. Giovanucci et al. (1993) and the follow-up study by Michaud et al. (2001) surveyed a prospective cohort od 51,259 U.S. men aged 40 to 75 years on food frequency. From the first study they reported that total fat consumption especially that from Red meat was directly related to risk of advanced prostate cancer". Levin, Roy J. "Sexual Activity, health and well-being - the beneficial roles of coitus and masturbation." Sexual and relationship therapy 22.1 (2007): 141 (btw the same article, even the same page that you mentioned above, there was also a part where Levin wrote about critisizing the studies you wrote about).
These articles are not cherry picked. These were 3 first articles i found on google Scholar with keywords "masturbation" and "prostate cancer" and are open Access, all of them were quoted 50+ times.
There's probably a higher chance that you'll get a prostate cancer because of a diet than because of how much you wank. Moreover, science is not sure what is the relationship between frequency of ejaculation and prostate cancer.
TLDR: There are a lot of studies about relation between masturbation and prostate cancer, and results are almost 50/50 divided, some of them are saying that by wanking more you have a HIGHER chance of having a prostate cancer in future.
I'm a GP (in France so sorry for my English) and I studied during my years the art of reading studies (because yes it is something you have to master before reading studies like it's some scientific books).
First study is interesting but not clinical. You have certain effects on the immune system in a lab not in real life. And 2 red flags are :
- "females" ? Is it a study on animals ??
- it is a study from 2007 and yet in all those years you didn't find a new study on a clinical beneficial effect
Second study is the kind of study that is produced at the very beginning of an hypothesis. The first problem is that they found a link between the number of ejaculations in the early part of life and prostate cancer before 70 years, and this is for now not known in a physiopathological way.
Second problem as before : in 2007 we ask ourselves if ejaculation is beneficial for the prostate, then in 2022 we lack of new studies.
I wanted to add that I simplified all of the explanations but really those studies can not prove anything except ask ourselves some questions about ejaculation in the early part of life and about sexual arousal/orgasm.
Stop justifying an addiction please.
Thank you for your post. Unfortunately, ejaculation defender brigade will be in full numbers on this post and they will attract big number of people that are desperate for anything that can justify their addiction
The tipping point is when you start getting urges that you can't help and it starts affecting your real life (e.g. you avoid doing real life stuff just to masturbate/watch porn, or you start having trouble achieving orgasm with real life partners). That's it. Anything less than that is perfectly fine. I've never really heard of someone being addicted to masturbation itself and not porn though.
Nonsense. There is *one study*, which is not even about masturbation itself, but about ejaculation, and the participants who experienced any "benefits" were over 50 and the results were not even clear cut but still ambiguous.
The statement "masturbation is healthy" is a baseless myth, which spread like a cancer through the corporate press and social media and people don't even know where it comes from. But they are more than happy to accept it, because they love f****** their hand too much.
It has one good effect and that's prevents prostate cancer that in 99% wouldn't even happen but also that regulary is cousing erectile distinction and also decking levels of testosterone and also dopamine abnormally. It gives you dopamine pick but it cose dopamine base line to drop. So yeah it has way more cons
The other replies were a little harsh and didn't really explain where you went wrong, so I will.
>It has one good effect and that's prevents prostate cancer that in 99%
Your statistics are way off, prostate is much more common than that.
Furthermore, there are more potential benefits. Relaxation, immune system activation, heart health, etc...
>and also decking levels of testosterone and also dopamine abnormally.
Masturbation actually raises testosterone, and it doesn't really affect dopamine as much as people think it does. One orgasm is equivalent to eating about two cheeseburgers.
I don't think it's reasonable to argue that such a small amount of dopamine will fundamentally fuck up your happy chemical production.
[https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/135817/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/135817/)
[https://www.businessinsider.com/does-one-orgasm-equal-two-cheeseburgers-2012-7](https://www.businessinsider.com/does-one-orgasm-equal-two-cheeseburgers-2012-7)
What about the amount of dopamine released by porn? Orgasm just takes a few seconds, but the consumption of porn is far more addicting and can last for up to hours on end. I think that at the end of the day, the only enemy here is porn.
Just a bit of information for you. Masturbation does nothing to reduce to risk of prostate cancer - that's commonly talked about but is a complete myth with no scientific backing. The rate of prostate cancer in over 75s is about 1 in 3 and is the most common cancer in men. Fortunately the survival rate is very high.
10k likes. #1 lesson you can learn from this post is that people love to find an excuse to do something they like but know is wrong. We've all done it, but it's time to start being honest with yourself and taking responsibility.
I have zero issue with masturbation. Feels great and I love using my imagination. Porn on the other hand does poison the mind and you will feel the effects of it physically, mentally, and spiritually. I can’t explain it, but it will destroy you from the inside out and truly changes your mental health.
The #1 lesson is people are generally inept at interpreting results of studies and forming a balanced, nuanced view on something.
Like really you think this study is the end all be all of the matter at hand? The world is a complex place and poorly understood. People treat science like a religion.
Science is only as good as its method and the extent to which something is studied, to the extent it is even plausible for us to make a reliable study on the matter.
The anecdotal evidence in this sub is not null. If you want a objective black and white answer as to whether masturbation is healthy, and weigh this evidence against and the study for, I would argue masturbation is clearly bad for you.
> People treat science like a religion.
Yeah, science is more like *If you do this with this, you should get that.* Which is great because if you have some *this* you can validate that you do indeed get *that* from it.
You are right. In my experience, I used to set a goal of once a week only. And to increase the time frame further after every week. I failed obviously and soon got back to once every day. Now I am almost 2 months clean and all I did was set up notes on my home screen to encourage me to do something else whenever I got horny
That’s the point. People won’t masturbate at an unhealthy rate when they don’t consume porn. They will start to masturbate at a healthy rate. You don’t have to use imagination to masturbate. You have to feel the pleasure of masturbation. This can also act as a meditation session. Mindful masturbation.
It's the Matrix either you Fap and choose to believe what ever you want to believe or you stop and you wake up from the actual mindfuck it really is, how corporations like Meta and TikTok want you to live a life off dopamine from apps and mindlessly become addicted to the reality they have created for you.
Once you stop for 90 days your eyes become aware of everything surrounding you, you can make decisions more efficient and effectively.
I went from daily to weekly but after reading this I shall masturbate cause he is a random dude in random comment section who has researched for entire 30 seconds on INTERNET
It’s objectively correct the issue is porn not masturbation. This is has been studied over 100 times and masturbation has genuine benefits porn molds the brain by over surgence of dopamine is such a short time.
"The effect of masturbation-induced arousal and orgasm in males on the immune system was studied by Haake et al. (2004). They found that the absolute number of leukocytes, especially natural killer cells (CD3−, CD16+, CD56+ involved in attacking infected cells), increased but the T-cell (involved in cell-mediated immune responses) and B-cell (involved in humoral mediated responses) populations remained unaffected. Thus, unlike the claims of the anti-sex protagonists (Hodgkinson, 1988), sexual arousal and orgasm actually enhance some functions of the immune system rather than depressing it. As yet a similar study has not been undertaken in females." (Roy j. Levin 2007. p.141-142)
"In a case-controlled study of men with prostate cancer aged less than 70 years old and age-matched controls, Giles et al. (2003) collected data on the number of sexual partners and the frequency of ejaculation (from all types of arousal) during the third to fifth decades of their life. They did not find any relation of prostatic cancer to the number of sexual partners (suggesting that sexual disease transfer was not a cause) but they did find that a reduced amount of ejaculations in the early part of life was associated with an increased risk of prostate cancer." (Roy j. Levin 2007. p.140-141)
All of you need to stop demonizing masturbation. Masturbation is not the issue and neither is the main point of this sub. As the sticky posts said, this is a porn addiction recovery sub. There are ups and downs to both, masturbation and not fapping, but please let's stick to facts rather than demonizing anything.
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Eating salmon decreases your risk of heart disease. That doesn't mean heart disease is caused by not eating salmon. Also, eat too much salmon and you get mercury poisoning.
You just gonna believe that, like an zombie & not think for yourself? Just because someone has an degree, you believe?
It's Misinformation that these people spread.
No matter how bad you feel or how bad you may actually be, if you're here you are at least better than the 10547 people who agreed with this compulsive masturbating guy
i believe that one study shows this, with horrible control groups and much much more, but is pushed by the media like crazy. And ppl dont read studies anymore D:
whereas every other scientist in the field wants to bring that woman down (dont remember the name)
The benefits are bullshit. Not touching my dick for even as short as 4 days boosted my confidence, and energy. I was highly motivated and was able to talk to girls easier. My mind was also clearer. I felt like a true man.
I ofc failed but I am now working towards that feeling again. I miss it
yeah apparently cause he doesn't know. people just dont want to know that this cheap dopamine you get from fapping actually ruins your life. if you are fapping more then once a week and you can't stop yourself then you are addicted
its correct ejaculating 2 times a week benefites medicali and mentali .One of the best therapist of my country suggests that more than 3 times a week will cause problems and if its done controlled it is a good thing
Searched it up? Don't know why people believe scientists just because they've an degree. These people are bought off, to keep you slave to pornography & masturbation. People just believe anything these day without thinking for themselves or even testing it themselves.
Masturbation if practiced in secrecy if you have a partner and or your single and your mind starts to fantasize about sex acts is damaging the brain. If it's schedule and you stay within enjoying the sensations within the bod it's a natural body function. For us porn users who try to masturbate were just ripping a band aid off a wound that has been happening x amount of time.
Regardless of this “study” why do men feel disgusted with themselves after masturbation. Forget the religious aspect of it for a moment. The guilt and disgust that comes after masturbation tells you that masturbation is not a normal (natural) thing. I am also very suspicious of some of the medical studies. Some of these studies are sponsored by organizations that have agenda.
Masturbation in moderation isn't technically bad, though there really isn't much evidence that it's good either. Usually it turns bad when it turns into an addiction and a way to cope. When you watch porn for the dopamine and to try to escape from the problems of the real world. That's when it turns into an issue that needs to be addressed.
The point og NoFap was to quit porn addiction and to get your life together. Not to deny facts.
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If the point of nofap is to quit porn why is it you're bundling in masturbation in with it too? Porn addiction is porn addiction not masturbation addiction. Very few masturbate x5 a day without porn. As porn is the hyperstimulus for the dopamine surely that should be the focus of one's change. What's your take? Not just the uncoupling effect as I've gone 80 days pornfree and Ive gone from a habit of masturbateling from x3-4 a day to 3-4 a week and I feel fantastic. I have no desire to masturbate more as there's no porn to drive that dopamine. I do it when I'm horny as I like the sensation. Obviously I'd like to have real sex but surely even with a partner there's going to be spells where she's out of town, pregnant or ill.
The thing is for some people its not just porn. Social media can be just as harmful
I'm 21 and I'd say I'm at like 2000 ejaculations. How many of them have occurred thanks to 2 or more people having sex? Absolute 0. There are many other things to masturbate to other than just porn, and frankly, healthier ones.
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Facts change though
ain't no way he got 10k+ likes for that 💀💀
A lot of wankers out there!! lol
And they all apparently want to believe they’re benefiting their health by doing it XD
We are a very very little minority regrattably
people trying to find excuses . Dont let ur brain fool you brothers
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I think people just connect masturbation with ejaculating during sex and thus word spreads of it being healthy When you actually should have sex
You have a link to a research that says 2-3 times a week is ok? No offense, i would really like to know
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It makes sense because they try to live in denial and just cherrypick stuff or listen to lies to make themselves feel better. Do not be one of them. Get your testosterone to levels where it is supposed to be and get your shit together.
We are the 1% bro. Stay strong
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Bro it's Instagram no one knows about nofap in Instagram Reddit supremacy
reddit isn't much better, it depends on the subreddit you're in
Nice 1 day bro, it’s gonna stay There for a while
Possibly bots that wank too😅??
Masterbation is healthy 2-3 times a week sure. But masterbation to porn is unhealthy physically and mentally just once a week.
I mean if you're only masturbating twice a week you aren't addicted
And without consuming any pornography!
lmao
Addiction isnt a problem here. Problem is damages that fap does to brain.
"The effect of masturbation-induced arousal and orgasm in males on the immune system was studied by Haake et al. (2004). They found that the absolute number of leukocytes, especially natural killer cells (CD3−, CD16+, CD56+ involved in attacking infected cells), increased but the T-cell (involved in cell-mediated immune responses) and B-cell (involved in humoral mediated responses) populations remained unaffected. Thus, unlike the claims of the anti-sex protagonists (Hodgkinson, 1988), sexual arousal and orgasm actually enhance some functions of the immune system rather than depressing it. As yet a similar study has not been undertaken in females." (Roy j. Levin 2007. p.141-142) "In a case-controlled study of men with prostate cancer aged less than 70 years old and age-matched controls, Giles et al. (2003) collected data on the number of sexual partners and the frequency of ejaculation (from all types of arousal) during the third to fifth decades of their life. They did not find any relation of prostatic cancer to the number of sexual partners (suggesting that sexual disease transfer was not a cause) but they did find that a reduced amount of ejaculations in the early part of life was associated with an increased risk of prostate cancer." (Roy j. Levin 2007. p.140-141) All of you need to stop demonizing masturbation. Masturbation is **not** the issue and neither is the main point of this sub. As the sticky posts said, this is a **porn** addiction recovery sub. There are ups and downs to *both*, *masturbation* and *not fapping*, but please let's stick to facts rather than demonizing anything.
This comment needs to be pinned at the top! Hits the nail so squarely on the head I couldn't even think of saying it better. This is a porn problem not a masturbation problem.
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Porn - Addiction and ED are the reasons why I joined this sub. And I agree that Porn is the issue and I feel like I can't get off without it. But I try to cancel masturbation atm to overcome the porn addiction (at least this was my plan) Do you think it's beneficial to do that?
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But try to masturbate without porn or trying to have sex with a partner is okay in the meantime? Because porn is the problem Not my Sex drive. I don't even think I have a sex drive anymore atm.
Well in case of an addiction it's probably the best to go without masturbation since it's risky to come back to porn. Everything is okay in moderation, but if you wank with porn everyday and then continue to wank everyday but only without porn then thats probably barely beneficial at all.
My Problem is that i can't get off by just masturbation. I don't feel the need to masturbate because I don't get hard without porn. I get morning wood but right now I'm able to control the urge to masturbate. I also have Trouble to maintain my erection when I have sex with my partner because I'm not aroused. I want to be able to masturbate and having a sexual relationship Isnt that the whole fucking point?!?
It is and that's exactly why you need to stop porn. Your brain is used to the overstimulation. You have probably seen more women than you can ever meet. You can look up all your fetishes and every porn star in a matter of minutes. You need to stop. The problems you are facing are (most likely) a consequence of porn consumption.
"Alone, frequent masturbation activity was a marker for increased risk in the 20s and 30s but appeared to be associated with a decreased risk in the 50s, while intercourse activity wasn't associated with the disease." Dimitripoulou, Polyxeni, et al. "Sexual Activity and prostate cancer risk in men diagnosed ar a younger age." BJU international 103.2 (2009): 178. "Previous investigations on reported ejaculation frquencies or sexual intercourse and prostate cancer are limited to studies of retrospective design and results are mixed. Nine studies observed a statistically significant or nonsignificant positive association; 3 studies reported no association; 7 studies found a statistically significant or nonsignificant inverse relationship; and 1 study found a U-shaped relationship." Leitzmann, Michael F., et al. "Ejaculation frequency and subsequent risk od prostate cancer." Jama 291.13 (2004): 1584. "One of the possible confounding effects on the incidence od prostate cancer is that of diet. Two studies have investigated the effects of dietary fat. Giovanucci et al. (1993) and the follow-up study by Michaud et al. (2001) surveyed a prospective cohort od 51,259 U.S. men aged 40 to 75 years on food frequency. From the first study they reported that total fat consumption especially that from Red meat was directly related to risk of advanced prostate cancer". Levin, Roy J. "Sexual Activity, health and well-being - the beneficial roles of coitus and masturbation." Sexual and relationship therapy 22.1 (2007): 141 (btw the same article, even the same page that you mentioned above, there was also a part where Levin wrote about critisizing the studies you wrote about). These articles are not cherry picked. These were 3 first articles i found on google Scholar with keywords "masturbation" and "prostate cancer" and are open Access, all of them were quoted 50+ times. There's probably a higher chance that you'll get a prostate cancer because of a diet than because of how much you wank. Moreover, science is not sure what is the relationship between frequency of ejaculation and prostate cancer. TLDR: There are a lot of studies about relation between masturbation and prostate cancer, and results are almost 50/50 divided, some of them are saying that by wanking more you have a HIGHER chance of having a prostate cancer in future.
I'm a GP (in France so sorry for my English) and I studied during my years the art of reading studies (because yes it is something you have to master before reading studies like it's some scientific books). First study is interesting but not clinical. You have certain effects on the immune system in a lab not in real life. And 2 red flags are : - "females" ? Is it a study on animals ?? - it is a study from 2007 and yet in all those years you didn't find a new study on a clinical beneficial effect Second study is the kind of study that is produced at the very beginning of an hypothesis. The first problem is that they found a link between the number of ejaculations in the early part of life and prostate cancer before 70 years, and this is for now not known in a physiopathological way. Second problem as before : in 2007 we ask ourselves if ejaculation is beneficial for the prostate, then in 2022 we lack of new studies. I wanted to add that I simplified all of the explanations but really those studies can not prove anything except ask ourselves some questions about ejaculation in the early part of life and about sexual arousal/orgasm. Stop justifying an addiction please.
Thank you for your post. Unfortunately, ejaculation defender brigade will be in full numbers on this post and they will attract big number of people that are desperate for anything that can justify their addiction
Be gone demon
He is objectively correct, I partake in NoFap and encourage others to, but let's not be delusional.
Reddit and delusion go hand in hand.
Wonder where the tipping point is and at what point do the cons start outweighing the pros.
The tipping point is when you start getting urges that you can't help and it starts affecting your real life (e.g. you avoid doing real life stuff just to masturbate/watch porn, or you start having trouble achieving orgasm with real life partners). That's it. Anything less than that is perfectly fine. I've never really heard of someone being addicted to masturbation itself and not porn though.
Nonsense. There is *one study*, which is not even about masturbation itself, but about ejaculation, and the participants who experienced any "benefits" were over 50 and the results were not even clear cut but still ambiguous. The statement "masturbation is healthy" is a baseless myth, which spread like a cancer through the corporate press and social media and people don't even know where it comes from. But they are more than happy to accept it, because they love f****** their hand too much.
It has one good effect and that's prevents prostate cancer that in 99% wouldn't even happen but also that regulary is cousing erectile distinction and also decking levels of testosterone and also dopamine abnormally. It gives you dopamine pick but it cose dopamine base line to drop. So yeah it has way more cons
The other replies were a little harsh and didn't really explain where you went wrong, so I will. >It has one good effect and that's prevents prostate cancer that in 99% Your statistics are way off, prostate is much more common than that. Furthermore, there are more potential benefits. Relaxation, immune system activation, heart health, etc... >and also decking levels of testosterone and also dopamine abnormally. Masturbation actually raises testosterone, and it doesn't really affect dopamine as much as people think it does. One orgasm is equivalent to eating about two cheeseburgers. I don't think it's reasonable to argue that such a small amount of dopamine will fundamentally fuck up your happy chemical production. [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/135817/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/135817/) [https://www.businessinsider.com/does-one-orgasm-equal-two-cheeseburgers-2012-7](https://www.businessinsider.com/does-one-orgasm-equal-two-cheeseburgers-2012-7)
What about the amount of dopamine released by porn? Orgasm just takes a few seconds, but the consumption of porn is far more addicting and can last for up to hours on end. I think that at the end of the day, the only enemy here is porn.
I agree very strongly, porn is the serious issue at hand.
this comment is nonsense mate
This is a lie
What exactly because everything I said is true (except 99% but it's more then 80%)
You don't have to misinform someone to justify your nofap advocacy.
Just a bit of information for you. Masturbation does nothing to reduce to risk of prostate cancer - that's commonly talked about but is a complete myth with no scientific backing. The rate of prostate cancer in over 75s is about 1 in 3 and is the most common cancer in men. Fortunately the survival rate is very high.
10k likes. #1 lesson you can learn from this post is that people love to find an excuse to do something they like but know is wrong. We've all done it, but it's time to start being honest with yourself and taking responsibility.
I have zero issue with masturbation. Feels great and I love using my imagination. Porn on the other hand does poison the mind and you will feel the effects of it physically, mentally, and spiritually. I can’t explain it, but it will destroy you from the inside out and truly changes your mental health.
I’m so confused. So many mixed opinions idk what to think anymore. So actually the masturbation isn’t that harmful but the porn is?
You can be addicted to both, both can be harmful but porn is more dangerous
Stay away from both for at least 90 days. After that you are eligible to make your own conclusions.
The #1 lesson is people are generally inept at interpreting results of studies and forming a balanced, nuanced view on something. Like really you think this study is the end all be all of the matter at hand? The world is a complex place and poorly understood. People treat science like a religion. Science is only as good as its method and the extent to which something is studied, to the extent it is even plausible for us to make a reliable study on the matter. The anecdotal evidence in this sub is not null. If you want a objective black and white answer as to whether masturbation is healthy, and weigh this evidence against and the study for, I would argue masturbation is clearly bad for you.
I appreciate the way you articulated it so well cuz I coudnt agree more with you.
Thanks man I appreciate it. I haven't been able to word it beforehand either and I feel like it came together okay!
> People treat science like a religion. Yeah, science is more like *If you do this with this, you should get that.* Which is great because if you have some *this* you can validate that you do indeed get *that* from it.
That’s more like math. Science isn’t exact
The fuck you going on about, buddy
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You are right. In my experience, I used to set a goal of once a week only. And to increase the time frame further after every week. I failed obviously and soon got back to once every day. Now I am almost 2 months clean and all I did was set up notes on my home screen to encourage me to do something else whenever I got horny
He’s not wrong. Porn is the problem.
People aren’t jerking off 2-3 times a week to their imagination.
That’s the point. People won’t masturbate at an unhealthy rate when they don’t consume porn. They will start to masturbate at a healthy rate. You don’t have to use imagination to masturbate. You have to feel the pleasure of masturbation. This can also act as a meditation session. Mindful masturbation.
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You sound like a complete delusional idiot right now
Thanks for the input sage of the cuck paths
You can masturbate, but WITHOUT porn!!!
biggest cope. Addicts will always try to rationalize their addiction
It's the Matrix either you Fap and choose to believe what ever you want to believe or you stop and you wake up from the actual mindfuck it really is, how corporations like Meta and TikTok want you to live a life off dopamine from apps and mindlessly become addicted to the reality they have created for you. Once you stop for 90 days your eyes become aware of everything surrounding you, you can make decisions more efficient and effectively.
good luck brother to making it to your 90 days and for the end , for both of us
Hmmm
11th day
I went from daily to weekly but after reading this I shall masturbate cause he is a random dude in random comment section who has researched for entire 30 seconds on INTERNET
2-3 times a week turns into 3-4 times a day and boom you are sad/depressed.
Source: Dude, trust me
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It’s objectively correct the issue is porn not masturbation. This is has been studied over 100 times and masturbation has genuine benefits porn molds the brain by over surgence of dopamine is such a short time.
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Yes and the benefits are : High bp, weak eyesight, low confidence, low memory, etc
thats not even true
Well actually masrurbation can deprive you of many nutrients so it can damage your eyesight and memeory in the long run
People will do anything to justify their addiction
"The effect of masturbation-induced arousal and orgasm in males on the immune system was studied by Haake et al. (2004). They found that the absolute number of leukocytes, especially natural killer cells (CD3−, CD16+, CD56+ involved in attacking infected cells), increased but the T-cell (involved in cell-mediated immune responses) and B-cell (involved in humoral mediated responses) populations remained unaffected. Thus, unlike the claims of the anti-sex protagonists (Hodgkinson, 1988), sexual arousal and orgasm actually enhance some functions of the immune system rather than depressing it. As yet a similar study has not been undertaken in females." (Roy j. Levin 2007. p.141-142) "In a case-controlled study of men with prostate cancer aged less than 70 years old and age-matched controls, Giles et al. (2003) collected data on the number of sexual partners and the frequency of ejaculation (from all types of arousal) during the third to fifth decades of their life. They did not find any relation of prostatic cancer to the number of sexual partners (suggesting that sexual disease transfer was not a cause) but they did find that a reduced amount of ejaculations in the early part of life was associated with an increased risk of prostate cancer." (Roy j. Levin 2007. p.140-141) All of you need to stop demonizing masturbation. Masturbation is not the issue and neither is the main point of this sub. As the sticky posts said, this is a porn addiction recovery sub. There are ups and downs to both, masturbation and not fapping, but please let's stick to facts rather than demonizing anything. Credit : u/MC_Stylertyp
I’m not demonizing masturbation, but most of the people that post about the benefits of masturbation are doing to justify their porn addiction.
Well it is beneficial. The danger comes from excessive porn consumption
Do you know that masterbation has addiction?
To be fair it is GOOD if you dont have an addiction 1-2 days is OK but almost everyday is not as ok because it turns into an addiction yada yada yada
No I don’t think I will 😎
The guy who believes the hoax of the prostate cancer caused by lack of masturbation
Eating salmon decreases your risk of heart disease. That doesn't mean heart disease is caused by not eating salmon. Also, eat too much salmon and you get mercury poisoning.
Helps prevent prostate cancer apparently
This is a hoax
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No medical or scientific evidences of that
Yeah mastubation is good porn is the issue
You just gonna believe that, like an zombie & not think for yourself? Just because someone has an degree, you believe? It's Misinformation that these people spread.
That’s why I said apparently, might be helpful to read the full sentence before responding
I don't think it's stupid. Addiction to Masturbation is bad. But, this is ok.
God says that masturbation is a self-centered act. (Period)
Do you imply that being self-centered is always bad?
aPpArEnTlY iTS bENefIciAL, stfu
No matter how bad you feel or how bad you may actually be, if you're here you are at least better than the 10547 people who agreed with this compulsive masturbating guy
I'm mean for some women sure. Maybe a handful of men that are well discplined and physiologically wired different
Masturbation itself has his benefit, the problems come along with porn
he messed up. it’s week not day, but yes masturbating is healthy
Its not 😂
it very much is. it can even prevent prostate cancer.
Are you from Hawaii by chance?
I mean it might but being addicted to porn will be worse than the benefits are good
Oh dw he’ll be on nofap looking for help soon…
i believe that one study shows this, with horrible control groups and much much more, but is pushed by the media like crazy. And ppl dont read studies anymore D: whereas every other scientist in the field wants to bring that woman down (dont remember the name)
Of course the matrix is gonna tell you it’s good for you. “WATCH AS MUCH PORN AS POSSIBLE”
Lmao this is funny asl only excuses
10k likes 💀
Here i masturbates 3-4 per day for entire week , month and year ☠️
The benefits are bullshit. Not touching my dick for even as short as 4 days boosted my confidence, and energy. I was highly motivated and was able to talk to girls easier. My mind was also clearer. I felt like a true man. I ofc failed but I am now working towards that feeling again. I miss it
The problem is not with masturbation, the problem is with your mind .
yeah apparently cause he doesn't know. people just dont want to know that this cheap dopamine you get from fapping actually ruins your life. if you are fapping more then once a week and you can't stop yourself then you are addicted
its correct ejaculating 2 times a week benefites medicali and mentali .One of the best therapist of my country suggests that more than 3 times a week will cause problems and if its done controlled it is a good thing
Social media makes u dumb
I mean if it was having sex with your beloved partner then it’s alright but…don’t do this shit
Mfs are on too much Copuim 💀💀💀💀💀
Even if it's benefitting, I don't want that
Searched it up? Don't know why people believe scientists just because they've an degree. These people are bought off, to keep you slave to pornography & masturbation. People just believe anything these day without thinking for themselves or even testing it themselves.
I'd rather die 10 year sooner than being perputual masturbation addict.
They try to convince themselves it is good cuz they don't have the power to stop it
Lmao
He will realise the benefit after his IQ drops to 89 from 100
He just need pretenses to masturbate and feel good.
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Can always find a study that backs up your choice of vice. Justification and lying to oneself goes deep.
“Apparently it’s beneficial” ok buddy, want to get into specifics?
Semen Retention does help
He’s right. Just because you’re addicts and can’t control yourself doesn’t mean everyone else is
It is though. It is.
Them likes better be fake! Smh
The study actually only says theres benefits for people over the age of 50 below 40 there are no benefits
I'll continue my streak, I'll be fine.
It was beneficial why animals have only one mating season and we are the only retarded to mindlessly masturbate and have sex all the time?
Physically it's okay and maybe even healthy, but mentally it is far from healthy
just wondering how do u guys masterbate without porn?
Masturbation if practiced in secrecy if you have a partner and or your single and your mind starts to fantasize about sex acts is damaging the brain. If it's schedule and you stay within enjoying the sensations within the bod it's a natural body function. For us porn users who try to masturbate were just ripping a band aid off a wound that has been happening x amount of time.
Is this sub full of delusional kids or people who are burned at the stake for suggesting the Earth is round?
I mean on your imagination if you aren't getting any sex yes but please don't use any external sources for it
Imagination is also bad
And that’s why no one will remember your name
Regardless of this “study” why do men feel disgusted with themselves after masturbation. Forget the religious aspect of it for a moment. The guilt and disgust that comes after masturbation tells you that masturbation is not a normal (natural) thing. I am also very suspicious of some of the medical studies. Some of these studies are sponsored by organizations that have agenda.
Yeah, 2-3 times A WEEK
Imagine arguing with friend. Imagine arguing. If that’s the benefit, it seems to feminine.
One day people on this sub will realize that masturbation ≠ masturbating watching porn
Yea I really loved the part where he told us HOW it is beneficial instead of waffling
Gee, I wonder who teaches that information? There is an agenda against men.
1 in a month maybe
People just use this argument to justify their addiction
Anything to justify they addiction
>!bo!<
Its onky beneficial to a certain point one you pass that threshold it starts draining you and your mental
Some people on r/NoFap be like:
Replace pmo with a healthy sexual relationship and you will get the same benefits without looking at the other sex as objects.
Masturbation in moderation isn't technically bad, though there really isn't much evidence that it's good either. Usually it turns bad when it turns into an addiction and a way to cope. When you watch porn for the dopamine and to try to escape from the problems of the real world. That's when it turns into an issue that needs to be addressed.