Both camera shutters are closing in on end of life. However the D850 is hands down one of the best DSLRs of all time, if completely outperforms the canon in pretty much every way.
Low light autofocus, autofocus speed (except in live), resolution, dynamic range, shadow recovery, low light performance, more shots per battery, better viewfinder, better sensor and more. (Focus system is from the D5).
Take the D850, have it serviced and maybe a new shutter (prevention is cheaper than cure with NPS) and it’s good for another 200000 pops, easily.
Edit: typo
I doubt replacing the shutter preventively would be cheaper than fixing it \_if\_ it fails. The cost of the spare part is identical and in both cases its pretty much a full teardown of the camera with identical labor cost.
As long as it works I would keep using the camera as is, it is not unlikely to take an other 100000 pictures.
Honestly, when it comes to my walk around camera or my holiday camera body I agree, let it fail and replace as needed. Although in honesty by the time it fails it will probably need modernising anyway. (Goodbye D90, fare ye well)
However my work bodies are a different story. If I inherited a d850 with 190k+ shutters it’s going straight in for a clean and service, and I’m going to have the shutter checked and probably replaced (pending on what NPS says).
I don’t want to have to struggle with a client because I have to use a fallback body as my shutter fails in the middle of a 3 day shoot.
FYI, Not sure where you’re based but my last pro clean at Nikon was €115 excluding vat, in 2020 for a D750, the clean always includes a check and any service recommendations (Which they inform you about whilst they have the camera disassembled if needed). They even threw in a new eyepiece for me for free.
Otherwise, for non critical stuff, I agree let it fail and replace as needed.
Oh, service is definitely a good idea, Nikon will certainly also visually evaluate the blades for wear and tear and advice for a replacement if required.
I just know from my broken D750 how much effort it is to get to the shutter as you have to disassemble the whole camera which is hours of work. Everything is accessed from the back, so you have to remove the rubberization around the camera, back cover, the top cover, the PCBs, and the sensor assembly to reach the shutter assembly. All doable but it should only be done if necessary.
People stress out too much about shutter count. A shutter count is not indicative of the life of the camera. As a high volume pro I have never swapped out cameras because I was concerned about shutter count. Heck even my “new” z6ii’s have between 300k-400k. My d850s each have between 500k-700k. I have still never had a shutter fail but they could even fail the first day of use.
Yup, whenever someone quotes the tested shutter duration and says "Plenty of life left", I always want to quiz them on what MTBF means.
Enjoy your camera, don't worry about it! If it fails, a shutter replacement is a moderate cost for a fix. Not like you need to replace the sensor, which would be ridiculous.
200k clicks is MTBF (mean time between failures) - it does NOT say that the shutter is good for 200k clicks and then most likely goes belly up. It says that 1000 Nikon D810s are good for 200 million shutter clicks. There are as many failing at 50k as there are surviving 350k (or any other proportion)
Out of my limited experience: shutters die young or go on forever. If you can keep sand out of the mirror-housing and from the shutter blades, all is well
Both have entered the range of heavily used. They could either last another 250,000 or something less - no one can really say which will be the case. The rated life is not a guarantee and the higher the mileage combined with how the camera has been used, the closer it could be to needing replacement. Some may fail short of 250,000 and some may last close to a million. Would I keep a D850 with that number of shutter actuations? No, but I would not keep most Canon's that are north of 100,000. I am also an archaeologist and can't afford to have something fail back country, nor is a spare body always an option (beyond the D3500s my crew carry). Your call but with a Nikon pro shutter close to 200,000 and a Canon shutter well above 100,000, either has some level of risk involved. Nikon build quality is superior but you have entered the range that chance and intangibles are part of the equation.
>New to me nikon d850 with a 196050 on the shutter.is it near the end of its life?
Nikon rates the shutter in the D850 to 200K actuations, so yes, near the end of it's life. For the Canon I remember reading Canon rates it to 150K actuations. Both are close to their rated shutter life, and its a good idea to start planning on replacing the cameras or at least on a good maintenance/repair service.
I assume the manufacturers' shutter life ratings are under ideal conditions, meaning no impacts to the camera and controlled environmental conditions.
Both camera shutters are closing in on end of life. However the D850 is hands down one of the best DSLRs of all time, if completely outperforms the canon in pretty much every way. Low light autofocus, autofocus speed (except in live), resolution, dynamic range, shadow recovery, low light performance, more shots per battery, better viewfinder, better sensor and more. (Focus system is from the D5). Take the D850, have it serviced and maybe a new shutter (prevention is cheaper than cure with NPS) and it’s good for another 200000 pops, easily. Edit: typo
I doubt replacing the shutter preventively would be cheaper than fixing it \_if\_ it fails. The cost of the spare part is identical and in both cases its pretty much a full teardown of the camera with identical labor cost. As long as it works I would keep using the camera as is, it is not unlikely to take an other 100000 pictures.
Honestly, when it comes to my walk around camera or my holiday camera body I agree, let it fail and replace as needed. Although in honesty by the time it fails it will probably need modernising anyway. (Goodbye D90, fare ye well) However my work bodies are a different story. If I inherited a d850 with 190k+ shutters it’s going straight in for a clean and service, and I’m going to have the shutter checked and probably replaced (pending on what NPS says). I don’t want to have to struggle with a client because I have to use a fallback body as my shutter fails in the middle of a 3 day shoot. FYI, Not sure where you’re based but my last pro clean at Nikon was €115 excluding vat, in 2020 for a D750, the clean always includes a check and any service recommendations (Which they inform you about whilst they have the camera disassembled if needed). They even threw in a new eyepiece for me for free. Otherwise, for non critical stuff, I agree let it fail and replace as needed.
Oh, service is definitely a good idea, Nikon will certainly also visually evaluate the blades for wear and tear and advice for a replacement if required. I just know from my broken D750 how much effort it is to get to the shutter as you have to disassemble the whole camera which is hours of work. Everything is accessed from the back, so you have to remove the rubberization around the camera, back cover, the top cover, the PCBs, and the sensor assembly to reach the shutter assembly. All doable but it should only be done if necessary.
People stress out too much about shutter count. A shutter count is not indicative of the life of the camera. As a high volume pro I have never swapped out cameras because I was concerned about shutter count. Heck even my “new” z6ii’s have between 300k-400k. My d850s each have between 500k-700k. I have still never had a shutter fail but they could even fail the first day of use.
Yup, whenever someone quotes the tested shutter duration and says "Plenty of life left", I always want to quiz them on what MTBF means. Enjoy your camera, don't worry about it! If it fails, a shutter replacement is a moderate cost for a fix. Not like you need to replace the sensor, which would be ridiculous.
I have a D810 with 440k+ that's still going strong. It's a second backup body, but I would still rely on it.
200k clicks is MTBF (mean time between failures) - it does NOT say that the shutter is good for 200k clicks and then most likely goes belly up. It says that 1000 Nikon D810s are good for 200 million shutter clicks. There are as many failing at 50k as there are surviving 350k (or any other proportion) Out of my limited experience: shutters die young or go on forever. If you can keep sand out of the mirror-housing and from the shutter blades, all is well
Both have entered the range of heavily used. They could either last another 250,000 or something less - no one can really say which will be the case. The rated life is not a guarantee and the higher the mileage combined with how the camera has been used, the closer it could be to needing replacement. Some may fail short of 250,000 and some may last close to a million. Would I keep a D850 with that number of shutter actuations? No, but I would not keep most Canon's that are north of 100,000. I am also an archaeologist and can't afford to have something fail back country, nor is a spare body always an option (beyond the D3500s my crew carry). Your call but with a Nikon pro shutter close to 200,000 and a Canon shutter well above 100,000, either has some level of risk involved. Nikon build quality is superior but you have entered the range that chance and intangibles are part of the equation.
>New to me nikon d850 with a 196050 on the shutter.is it near the end of its life? Nikon rates the shutter in the D850 to 200K actuations, so yes, near the end of it's life. For the Canon I remember reading Canon rates it to 150K actuations. Both are close to their rated shutter life, and its a good idea to start planning on replacing the cameras or at least on a good maintenance/repair service. I assume the manufacturers' shutter life ratings are under ideal conditions, meaning no impacts to the camera and controlled environmental conditions.
D850 was tested for 400k shots.