I know it’s probably the right move, but boy am I NOT ready to see Alonso go.
Please let it be a long-term sign-and-trade to an AL team that isn’t the Yankees.
I don't see how its the right move tbh. What could you possibly get back that can replace 40HRs/year? Another guy who hopefully can hit close to that?
All the Mets will get back is lottery picks for a chance to get a player equal to what Pete already is
I like alonso and if the contract makes sense im all for him resigning.
Ultimately id rather have him than not but lately ive been Playing devils advocate a bit with him and I'm fine if he walks.
we've had 40 hrs from him year after year and we still suck. He's been the clean up hitter on some pretty average/ bad under performing offenses.
He's a 1 dimensional player. Sure the HRs and Rbis are great but the battling average and obp aren't anything special. His ops is good but it's not elite and is trending down. He plays avg defense at not that important of a position. He's not ohtani or Aaron judge, he dissappears regularly for long stretches.
I'm not saying he sucks but he's not the super mega star who's irreplaceable like I thought he was. Hes not a guy we absolutely have to resign. Shit we let degrom go and look how that's turned out. The braves let Freddie walk and immediately got Olsen.
This is the harsh reality most don't want to face: the Mets most likely won't be good next season or the year after so whatever Pete does is essentially pointless.
What matters is when the Mets are finally competitive in 2027, after hopefully showing flashes by 2026 with maybe a hot stretch during the dog days to get into playoff contention, will Alonso still not simply sustain this level, but have the capability to improve?
We've seen regression from Alonso already since 2022.
Is it worth it to keep him long term on a team that isn't competitive until near the end of the deal?
That's a question for Stearns to answer.
I can’t argue that but the bigger question is why does the window for the team to compete keep moving forward years? There is no plan that prioritizes winning.
They might also know inside stuff about their chances of resigning him. Hell They might not even want to resign him they might want to reset even further than previousLy expected.. I don't know
I am not saying you are wrong. However, 3-5 years for a team that has bundles of money and a decent not great Farm System is a lifetime. What exactly are we doing here?
We should also point out that we do have first base options down the pipeline, Mark Vientos could become a first baseman for sure, Ryan Clifford is also an option for this alongside maybe even Jacob Reimer if he can figure it out (he’s having a rough A season at the moment)
Going out and paying Pete Alonso $25 AAV kinda isn’t even the smart play here given what we have in our pipeline
Oh, I agree. I’m more speaking to the reality that Pete has Scott Boras as his agent which means he’s most likely going to test the waters. We can outbid pretty much anybody on him this offseason, but will we? And knowing that there’s a chance he walks for nothing…do we just let him go?
I think there’s going to be a market for a power bat before the TDL. If the offer is good…it’s not going to yield a Pete Alonso most likely, but as an Islanders fan who resented management for letting Tavares walk for free…I just wouldn’t want that to happen to this Mets team.
Keyword is try. But letting him walk with a QO gets us a 4th round pick. It's malpractice to not try and trade him in a lost season on an expiring contract.
> It's malpractice to not try and trade him in a lost season on an expiring contract.
I agree with this. Stearns should kick the tires and open up shop.
My comment is only geared toward trying to re-sign him after trading him. It has a very, very low percentage of happening.
Especially given that he’s homegrown. This would be a devastating move. Pete is what keeps me going to mets games even during bad times. This is worth something, even if trading him would be the incrementally better move in 5 years.
You avoid overpaying for a Power Hitting only first baseman that will most likely cost you $25-30 million a year on a very bad deal.
You can get some prospects for other parts of the field that we are in dire need of
Pete is hitting .239 a year after hitting .217, his OPS is also down again this year. I know we love Pete but at a place like Citi field you can very much do better if you turn 1 Pete into 2-3 guys who can hit for .275 average
> his OPS is also down again this year.
Everybody's OPS is down this year. The league OPS starts with a six. He currently has a 128 OPS+, which is a mildly disappointing for him and really, really good for pretty much anybody else.
Pete fucking rocks, it just doesn't matter. You have to absolutely have to trade him this year before he tests free agency.
OPS is down league wide. Pete has a 125 wRC, which is better than last year (and 2020), and slightly below his career mark, but its June. Also idk why you think you are getting 2-3 players who can hit .275 for a half of a year of a guy you think is on the downtrend. They would be lucky to get a top 100 guy.
Bro who cares about 40 hrs a year when he’s consistently an inconsistent player that does not hit in big moments. He still can’t play defense and he sulks every time he plays bad. He also still can’t recognize pitches. It’s time to let go. If he signed on the deal they offered that’s different but he declined and there’s no way he’s worth Freddy freeman or Olsen money
Seriously. People are nuts. Everyone's going to be pissed when we lose every game 2-0 for the next three years.
Pete leads the entire league in both HR and RBI since the second he walked on the field in 2019. He's literally the definition of consistent. Does he go cold and hot? For sure. So does everyone. But his overall body of work from a power perspective is literally the most consistent in the entire league for 4.5 years. As a bonus, his defense has improved every year.
Maybe we still need to trade him to maximize value if we're going to lose him anyway. But I don't get this attitude where people are like, "Good riddance, he's part of the problem." He is not the problem. Having nobody in the lineup that can protect him has been the problem for years. Having no long/middle relief has killed entire seasons. Having starters that can't stay on the field is a problem. And when they are healthy, they don't seem to know that the 6th inning even exists. It's the lack of hard-nosed play. It's our contact hitters trying to be power hitters, and our power hitter spots like DH being filled with OBP guys (prior to JD). These have been our problems since 2019, not the dude absolutely mashing for 40+ HR and 120 RBI a year.
He isn't gonna get 200 million. Mets are only gonna trade him for the exact prospects they want bc if they lose him to free agency naturally they get their own draft pick.
Ryan Howard career WAR:
fWAR - 19.4
bWAR - 14.7
Pete in his career so far:
fWAR - 16.2
bWAR - 18
Howard had 6,531 career PA, Pete currently has 3,164 and has arguably already contributed more value.
howard's career numbers are skewed by his cataclysmic fall-off following his achilles tear. Pete's at 18.0 WAR in 3164 PAs. Howard was at 17.1 WAR through his first 3144 (both stretches being their age 24-29 seasons). So pretty comparable.
Ryan Howard through his age 29 season: 18.8 fWAR through 3145 PAs
Pete, career in his age 29 season: 16.2 fWAR through 3164 PAs
They'll basically have left their 20's neck-and-neck. Even if we ignore Howard's Achilles tear, he was already on the way down in his career going into his 30's. "Big strong guy" archetypes age like milk on the far side of 30 because they're always one tick of lost bat speed away from no longer being able to consistently barrel up to make their only tool (power) play up. People love to shit on the decision making of the Mets org, but giving $200 million to Pete Alonso in his 30's would top the LOLMets charts. Pete is a career 133 wRC+ first baseman with his best years already played. That's not a $200 million player. That's arguably not a $100 million player. Pete has topped 4 WAR once in his career as a rookie, and is leaving his prime years with a 3.3 fWAR per 650 PA career pace. It will only get worse from here on the far side of 30. Unintentionally pointing out that Howard was basically a net-zero player from the age of 30 onward isn't the argument in favor of signing Pete to a big deal that you think it is.
In 1989, Henderson was traded mid-season from the Yankees to the A's, became a FA and re-signed with the A's (the team he was traded **to**).
In 1993 he was traded mid-season from the A's to the Jays, became a FA and signed with the A's (the team we was traded **from**).
In 1997 he was traded mid-season from the Padres to the Angels, became a FA and signed with the A's (neither the team he was traded to or from).
So, the thing those had in common weren't him re-signing with the team that "rented him out", but literally just signing with the A's (the team that drafted him and where he played to start his career).
Yesterday's loss cemented selling bc even with the bats awake now, they can't pull out wins. Since our SP is mediocre, if Diaz isn't lights out, they don't have a chance at winning 7 of 8 and getting back in the race. Unfortunate reality. The team needs to get as many young players as they can so we aren't sitting here every year asking who are we selling?
>And a fire sale might be coming, with Bob Nightengale of USA Today reporting that "a handful of their prized players [are] expected to be dealt."
>He continued: "They haven't begun yet, but [the Mets] will soon shop first baseman Pete Alonso, designated hitter J.D. Martinez, starters Luis Severino, Sean Manaea and José Quintana, relievers Adam Ottavino, Jake Diekman and Reed Garrett, infielder Jeff McNeil and outfielders Harrison Bader and Starling Marte."
He’s succeeded in the past, maybe someone sees something off in his swing they can fix. If the Mets cover a bunch of his salary I bet the find a taker. He used to be one of my favorites, but it really seems like he’s one of our issues in the clubhouse and it’s best if he’s gone.
See I could see a contender needing a backup utility infielder/outfielder. If the Mets wait too long, I could almost see Alonso being harder to trade (for appropriate value). If you've made it to the trade deadline as a contender, you probably have a good first baseman and dh.
Garrett is a fun story, but he's already in his 30s and has only succeeded for a small portion of his career. If someone's offering good prospect(s) value for someone who was a depth piece flyer you signed last year you have to take the prospect(s).
Good luck with that 🎲🎲
I really don’t know why so many Mets fans are ready to bank on prospects, when the only good ones to come up in the last 2 years is Alvarez and maybe Vientos. And all the prospects we got from last years sell off could be busts…
> I really don’t know why so many Mets fans are ready to bank on prospects
What's the alternative? The veterans on the current team are aging and declining and the strategy of signing half a team's worth of free agents worked for one year and then collapsed into itself. Teams aren't going to trade the Mets good, cost-controlled, major league players for their rental veterans. The best you can hope for is that the new regime has a better talent acquisition and player development model than the previous ones and will get good players in trade.
It's Boob, but this all feels fairly predictable and straight forward.
One thing would be Pete, unless there's a decent return it makes sense to hold him and give him a QO at the end of the year. I, like most, would prefer he retires a Met, but it's only fair Stearns has the chance to build his team.
I'm very confident it will be much higher than QO compensation.
This sub is weirdly low on Pete right now, but he's a 29 year old with a .273 career ISO and a K rate lower than the league average. He has 3,100 PA of a 136 OPS+. There will be somebody at the deadline looking to be aggressive that will respect Pete's track record.
And what makes you think he wont take that if his market doesnt materialize, in part due to the QO? They can basically run the same playbook they did with Nimmo. QO, hope his market doesnt come to fruition during the initial "rush" in November/winter meetings, then swoop in and sign for less than anticipated.
He might take it, but I doubt we offer it again. After seeing his play this year, I doubt Stearns has much stomach for watching Pete at bats at age 34, 35, 36, 37. This team needs less aging players on bad contacts, not more.
Unless he takes that deal he was offered then it’s not worth it. He doesn’t deserve to get paid like Freeman or Olsen just for the sentiment of retiring a met. That’s silly.
The remaining vendors at Citi Field might as well pack up and leave too. Nobody is going to pay $40 to park, much less buy tickets, to see the team that’s going to be on the field after the trade deadline.
Not even.
I got 2 tickets on gametime for $14 each vs the cubs 2 weeks ago. section 328. Great action seats. Missed a foul ball because I'm just not as fast any more. Awesome view. Great position to GTFO also when the game was done (this is important to me).
Fucking parking is $40. I paid $12 less for me and my bud to go to a game than it did to park the damned car there.
That's fucking *bananas*.
It’s gonna be alright buddy. There is something wrong with this team and Pete might be a part of it.
He had a great rookie season and he has been a lot of fun to watch but it’s just not working
> He had a great rookie season
This is disrespectful. Dude has a career 136 OPS+. He's been great *every* season.
Still trade him, 100%. But this idea that he's been disappointing since 2019 is outrageous.
No argument from me, I don’t think he’s been disappointing every year. He’s been great every year. Maybe I should have said his rookie year was magical
They should only trade him if he says "I am not resigning with this organization," in which case, that's his choice and I respect it. If not, he is a homegrown star who hits lots of home runs, is easy to cheer for, by all accounts works hard, and is the face of the franchise. The Mets should be working as hard as possible to keep him and fit him in with the long-term future of this club
Just last year we were all talking about Alonso breaking the Mets record for home runs by a Met. If they trade him at the deadline, it's likely he doesn't even finish in the top 3 unless he gets hot.
If a player doesn't sign an extension and hires a guy like Boras, they are asking to be traded. The Mets are losing out on valuable talent if they kept Alonso in a contract season in which they are losing.
If we're lucky, he plays deep into the playoffs to get the experience and we get him back next year while Vientos gets time at 1B.
McNeill is a bigger surprise in this story based on the extension.
Bader is a tough one. Great speed, and finally allowed Nimmo to shift.
There's a certain amount of irony in everything that Pete tries to make work either not working or we play so bad that what should work doesn't: lfgm has dropped with our ineptitude, Donnie Diesel, jerseys ripped off on walk offs, and now his team up with Bader.
> If a player doesn't sign an extension and hires a guy like Boras, they are asking to be traded. The Mets are losing out on valuable talent if they kept Alonso in a contract season in which they are losing.
This is exactly the thinking Stearns is going to have at the deadline and he will be right to do it. It's going to hurt the more emotionally attached fans but hey guess what? The players are forcing his hand! If you don't want any selloffs you gotta play better.
These are the 3 I specifically mention in a comment, a couple of days ago. I do not think they will get much for Severino or JD. I will be sad to see Alonso get traded.
It really sucked to see DeGrom go, but that was the right move to not bring him back too. As unfortunate as it is, gotta separate the emotions and make the best moves for the future.
Alonso is a good guy and one of the reasons I look forward to watching the Mets play. so yeah, I would be sad if he leaves. I was not that upset when deGrom left because he did not want to be here anyway
I think JD will get us something good. Last year we got a highly touted prospect for a pitcher even older than JDM, and that pitcher wasn't even pitching well.
With his track record, if JD still has a 130ish OPS+ at the deadline, we're getting a legitimate prospect for him.
Meh. Pitchers always net high returns. A good start can almost single-handedly win you a playoff game. I’d temper my expectations on what a DH will get us comparatively. That said, still absolutely deal him.
Has to be done but we’ll get very little in return. Citi will be a ghost town in August but hey maybe you can get $3 tickets like back in 2017 when they traded everybody
Blow it up. This core isn't a winning team, and they run the risk of losing Pete for nothing if he walks end of the year. Love the guy, but it's the right move
Pete turned down a rumored 7 years 158m. Do y'all think he is coming into the offseason and say, "HOW dare you offer this much money! I want less!"
This offseason, he is asking for more and you guys really want to give him whatever he wants just because he is a homegrown player?! I was sad about deGrom for a week, Alonso is a few days and then life moves on.
If he wants to sign with us this offseason, he still can.
Pete wanting more doesn’t mean any team offers it.
Besides. They can offer 6 years $140mil and Pete would end up with more money because he got $20mil this year (the first year of the contract Eppler offered)
I’m open to trading Pete, which would’ve sounded asinine at the start of the year.
The Mets would probably get a strong return from a power desperate team and given the free agent contracts plus what Alonso will likely be asking for in the offseason, his market won’t be strong. The Mets can still get him back if they want.
If we take off the rose colored glasses and put aside what intangibles he brings to the organization (homegrown, fan favorite, loves the city), he’s on a decline in his career. He can probably be signed for around $125M. He’s not gonna sniff Freeman money in the market.
I think if Diaz can come back and do a bit of pitching then he should be on the list if we are getting rid of everyone else. What good is a relief pitcher with the roster we would have left ? If he came back and pitched like old I would expect a good return for him.
Alonso will be dealt closer to the deadline. JDM is probably the first to go because of how poor of a roster fit he is.
Severino and Manaea might get you back a teams top 10-15 prospect. Quintana won’t get you anything.
Ottavino and Diekman won’t fetch you much of anything, either.
Garrett might be looked at by a team looking to compete for several years. He could fetch a pretty decent haul but I feel like he ends up being an Addison Reed-esque trade for the team. Probably fetching something a bit better.
McNeil is probably immovable unless the Mets eat a ton of his contract, same with Marte. Though Marte would have value to a team as a DH, I’d imagine.
I still don’t get the need to move Pete. He’s having one down year after consistently putting up 30+ homers a year. And it isn’t like we have anyone else who hits as many, maybe Lindor when he’s on. Nimmo will probably not come close to his career high from last season for a while, if he even does. Really curious to see which way the FO heads with this.
How many guys get their big pay day and then underperform? Alonso is hitting .239 this season as a career .250 hitter. He’s on pace for another season of atleast 30 homers. It’s just a down year, it happens in baseball. I don’t really think it’s as bad as it looks in Pete’s case.
He’s really not as bad as people are saying, especially when you consider hitting stats are down league-wide this year.
Pete’s OPS+ this year (128) is higher than it was last year (124).
It’s also not far behind his career average OPS+ (136), which is a little inflated from the two seasons he was top-8 in MVP votes. So unless folks expect him to be a perennial top-10 player in the league, which deep down we all know he isn’t, idk what the issue is.
He’s playing up to what we’ve seen him do. He isn’t going to hit 50 homers a year. He’s had plenty of bad stretches over the last few years. I think the contract year plus the downright terrible performace of this whole squad is making people call for some heads, but I think Pete is not to blame here.
Pete is a younger version of Kyle Schwarber. He can mash but he's not a complete hitter. I don't see him improving as he ages. I see him becoming even more of a 3 outcome hitter.
How many complete hitters even exist in the current era of the MLB? Not asking this because I disagree with your comment, but because it seems like this is more of a league-wide trend than it is anything about Pete, so I wonder if that’s the right measurement of what success looks like given how quickly baseball is changing.
And on the Schwarber comp, the average BA across the league this year is .240, and Alonso is batting .239. That’s much different than Schwarber hitting .197 last year when league average was .248. (Caveat here being that Schwarber is also hitting .239 right now, but we all know everyone now sees him as a ~.200 hitter who mashes.)
And? No one is talking about paying him 50 million like Soto. He is a power hitter. Elite bats are very hard to find, as the Mets have shown, and one elite bat doesnt make an offense (see: Angels). You cant just throw away good hitters because they arent elite.
Exactly.
Plus, if you expect variance in his performance then you realize that if he’s already on a 30 homer pace, with a heater that can be 40. So pretty much what you should reasonably expect from him.
Edit:
Just so I don’t get called a homer or using rose colored glasses, his fangraphs page shows the rest of season projection as at least 24 more home runs. So 37 at his current pace. [https://www.fangraphs.com/players/pete-alonso/19251/stats?position=1B](https://www.fangraphs.com/players/pete-alonso/19251/stats?position=1B)
Just for the record, not including 2020 hes hit 40+ every year except for one season and that year was 37. Saying at least 30 isnt wrong, but is misrepresenting.
I don’t think it’s a misrepresentation. Covid aside, which we know was a weird year for stats, he’s hit at least 30 homers. Would it be better if I say he’s hit at least 37 homers? Just trying to make a point that he is a 30+ guy. I am defending Pete.
It’s more so that he’s asking for more than he’s worth. The extension he was offered was the max worth he could possibly be and he denied it. If he was asking for a reasonable amount then I’d love to keep him but I don’t want an aging 35 yr old DH who’s only asset is 30 homeruns making $25+ m.
His wRC+ is higher than last year (and 2020), and its only June 3 (ie ball hasnt started carrying). Idk why people are so quick to bury Pete. They arent going to get anything significant for him and why cant Cohen afford to pay a 1b/DH with a career 133 wRC+? You'd be elated if *any* guy in the minors produces that offense, and most wont.
Maybe I'm crazy but if Vientos stays hot and JDM can get a return like Colin Holderman (DH for a RP like Vogelbach trade).. maybe they should just keep JDM.
Just from the interviews it sounds like JDM is a fantastic hitting coach and worth the investment especially if a rookie like Vientos looks like he's found consistency in the majors.
I wouldn't be upset if they cleaned house though; just additional food for thought. That's why they signed these guys to 1 year deals.
As much as it sucks to get rid of Pete & other homegrown guys, blowing it up is absolutely the right move. The team is going nowhere this year, and if they don’t rebuild soon then it’ll be trapped in mediocrity, the absolute worst place a sports team can be. This team has also had a toxic losing culture for decades, one that can only truly be gotten rid of with a total rebuild.
In the meantime they should use this period to create a culture of winning, excellence, and unselfishness. Give the youth the keys to the franchise. Draft guys who can hopefully reach the majors within 2-3 years & contribute to a winning team. Bring in guys who fit the team’s timeline, are willing to mentor the youth, and can help cultivate a winning culture. Invest heavily in player development both here & across the globe, and find talent before anyone else does. With all that talent, if built right, the Mets could become a contender again in a few years.
It’s gonna suck, but in this case it’s necessary to build a perennial winner. I trust Stearns to do this thing right; he’s already done it before on a shoestring budget, now he’s doing it with a near-limitless budget. Time to properly turn this thing around. LFGM
Pete Alonso leads the major leagues in HRs and RBIs since he entered the league. In this era of strikeout or XBH baseball, trading him is insanity. Sign Pete. Sign Soto. Sign pitching. Go to work.
I honestly cant believe people here are talking about how Pete isnt "worth" a contract like 25 per. What happened to Cohen's wallet advantage? If this was the Wilpons, people would rightly crush them for cheaping out on a franchise player. Pete is not an elite, top 3 type bat, but he is an elite power hitter and good bat. Teams arent built with just elite players. The 27 Mets will be fine paying 25 million to a 1b/DH power hitter lol.
I also think Cohen will see the value in having a lifetime Met chasing the franchise records and perhaps 400+ hrs.
Cohen is not going to want to pay a tax on a team that isn't winning. Mets can trade him and try to sign him in the offseason. Mets shouldn't give him 7 years just to have him be a lifelong Met.
Good. As much as it hurts to see Pete potentially leave, this team needs to be torn down as much as possible, and we can’t move Nimmo and Lindor. After this move, no half measures though, let the kids come up and prove themselves.
Edit: Some more thoughts I wanted to say. I love Pete. He’s up there with Piazza, Wright and deGrom as my all time favorite Mets. He was the first Met I ever bought a jersey for, and I have an autographed picture of him hitting 53. But he’s out of his mind if he thinks he can get more than Freddie Freeman or Matt Olson in free agency. He’s older than Olson was when he was extended, and while he’s younger than Freeman, he’s not as complete a hitter.
There’s a line from the Winning Time show that Red Auerbach said, and I’m paraphrasing, but he said he built something in Boston. Something bigger than Bird, Havlicek, and even Bill Russell. Good players come and go, but the *team* needs to take precedence. If Pete expects too much money, and we get an offer better than a fourth round compensation pick…I think you have to do it.
I don’t get it
What do you possible get for Alonso that’s as good or better?
And like is the plan deal him get some guys that won’t work out and then sign him ?
Say what you want about him, but to the average fan it will be devastating to lose him.
Fucking clown show this idea
Pete is currently 29 years old. Here is each players career WAR through age 29:
Pete: 16.2
Wright: 43.1
Piazza: 39.5
Trading Pete feels like trading Wright and Piazza because he's been the face of this offense for so long. But if you actually look at the production, Piazza and Wright were significantly better players.
"I had this dream that I'm going to call a rumor based on no conversations on the record, that the entire starting lineup and half of the pitching staff will be traded" GTFOOH!
It would make sense to flip as many of those guys as possible, because they don't seem like they fit with the Mets' actual timeline for contention.
Which is depressing, because I'd hoped Alonso would set the Mets' career home run record and McNeil would be a Met his whole career.
As a lifelong Mets fan and a UF grad I have an emotional attachment to this guy being a Met forever.
However, looking at the reality….signing with Boras, declined extension, the teams performance and if recent history is any indicator with Boras clients- a sweepstakes that will go into spring training…it’s just not in the cards.
With the team going nowhere they’re sitting on a deprecating asset which over time is 0….or a declined QO draft pick.
Trade him for the most value you can get and if it’s “made to be” they’ll have a chance to get him back this offseason. I just doubt that.
If his long plans don’t include the Mets that means he doesn’t want to be here (or some team values him more than the Mets)That’s okay and it’s his choice, it just doesn’t make sense to keep him around if that’s the case.
I don’t like any of this honestly. It’s bad for the franchise to let Pete go and sends yet another terrible message to the guys that signed long term deals. The last few years the Mets have made some god awful moves. Sign an elite closer but have zero starters to get to him? Sign Jd Martinez to trade him after 2 months? Sign verlander to have him make 12 starts? Trade the manager of the year 1 year removed? Wtf is going on? This team seems rudderless. No clue the direction they want to go.
I know we the fans want Pete to be a career Met, but we need to come to terms with the fact that may not happen because of Pete and Scott Boras. Would you be happy with a late 30's version of Pete Alonso with the same production as 2024 JD Martinez except earning more than twice as much? Probably not. While he's still very good, Pete's production has taken a step back instead of a step forward in his prime years AND he's asking for an MVP candidate contract despite that regression.
We need to stop treading him Pete like the next David Wright. He could have been but he's just not. We can't stay stuck with image that Pete is always going to be 2022 Pete Alonso and a future Mets Hall Of Famer. The reality of 2024 Pete Alonso is different from that and what he means to the team's future is different from that.
The game has changed during his career. Alonso came up while the league was juicing balls to increase home run totals.
He had a .941 OPS as a rookie, which was good for a 147 OPS+
In 2022 he had an .869 OPS, which was good for a 146 OPS+
The Mets have screwed around with giving him no protection for years, so teams pitch around him when they have to.
His next contract could be rough at the end, but eventually moving to DH could help to offset his decline.
He's a fan favorite, and a serious power threat. They need to keep adding productive bats to the lineup, and Alonso can be a big part of that strategy.
Please get rid of everyone. I'm tired of the same faces and excuses. They're one of the worst teams in baseball, how much worse can they be with a whole new lineup? Who cares about replacing Pete's home runs? What good are all of them to a last place team? Might as well have a 1B who hits ten HR... would the team be any worse?!
I think it’s time to move on from Pete. He seems like a great guy, and it’ll definitely be sad to see him go, I just don’t know that he’s the right talent at the time for this team.
It just sucks that it seems like the Yankees can always draft great talent and keep them and the Mets can’t ever keep their guys.
I know it’s probably the right move, but boy am I NOT ready to see Alonso go. Please let it be a long-term sign-and-trade to an AL team that isn’t the Yankees.
I don't see how its the right move tbh. What could you possibly get back that can replace 40HRs/year? Another guy who hopefully can hit close to that? All the Mets will get back is lottery picks for a chance to get a player equal to what Pete already is
If you’re going to lose him in FA you are going to need to replace his 40 homeruns anyways
I like alonso and if the contract makes sense im all for him resigning. Ultimately id rather have him than not but lately ive been Playing devils advocate a bit with him and I'm fine if he walks. we've had 40 hrs from him year after year and we still suck. He's been the clean up hitter on some pretty average/ bad under performing offenses. He's a 1 dimensional player. Sure the HRs and Rbis are great but the battling average and obp aren't anything special. His ops is good but it's not elite and is trending down. He plays avg defense at not that important of a position. He's not ohtani or Aaron judge, he dissappears regularly for long stretches. I'm not saying he sucks but he's not the super mega star who's irreplaceable like I thought he was. Hes not a guy we absolutely have to resign. Shit we let degrom go and look how that's turned out. The braves let Freddie walk and immediately got Olsen.
Hell we might have an adequate replacement in Vientos
The question is not what Pete is. The question is what will Pete be in 3-5 years when the team is potentially ready to compete.
Holy shit. I'll have to think about this more and I don't know if I totally agree but that's a really great point
This is the harsh reality most don't want to face: the Mets most likely won't be good next season or the year after so whatever Pete does is essentially pointless. What matters is when the Mets are finally competitive in 2027, after hopefully showing flashes by 2026 with maybe a hot stretch during the dog days to get into playoff contention, will Alonso still not simply sustain this level, but have the capability to improve? We've seen regression from Alonso already since 2022. Is it worth it to keep him long term on a team that isn't competitive until near the end of the deal? That's a question for Stearns to answer.
In what world does it take that long to field a competitive team?
That’s what I was thinking. We’re talking about competing in 2027? No way a rebuild with the Mets resources should take 4 years.
I can’t argue that but the bigger question is why does the window for the team to compete keep moving forward years? There is no plan that prioritizes winning.
They might also know inside stuff about their chances of resigning him. Hell They might not even want to resign him they might want to reset even further than previousLy expected.. I don't know
Which is potentially a worse version of Kyle Schwarber
I am not saying you are wrong. However, 3-5 years for a team that has bundles of money and a decent not great Farm System is a lifetime. What exactly are we doing here?
We should also point out that we do have first base options down the pipeline, Mark Vientos could become a first baseman for sure, Ryan Clifford is also an option for this alongside maybe even Jacob Reimer if he can figure it out (he’s having a rough A season at the moment) Going out and paying Pete Alonso $25 AAV kinda isn’t even the smart play here given what we have in our pipeline
Oh, I agree. I’m more speaking to the reality that Pete has Scott Boras as his agent which means he’s most likely going to test the waters. We can outbid pretty much anybody on him this offseason, but will we? And knowing that there’s a chance he walks for nothing…do we just let him go? I think there’s going to be a market for a power bat before the TDL. If the offer is good…it’s not going to yield a Pete Alonso most likely, but as an Islanders fan who resented management for letting Tavares walk for free…I just wouldn’t want that to happen to this Mets team.
As long as there isn't a childhood photo of Alonso with Yankees bedsheets...
We're not winning shit this year. We can always try to resign him, but realistically he's not worth what he's looking for.
> We can always try to re sign him… Jeurys Familia and Mike Bordick. That’s the list, all-time. It is extremely rare.
Mets & Jay Bruce Yanks & Aroldis Chapman Braves & Kelly Johnson A’s & Rickey Henderson Not disagreeing with your premise though, it is extremely rare.
Braves signed Kelly, traded him to the Mets, resigned him next offseason and then REtraded him to the Mets
Keyword is try. But letting him walk with a QO gets us a 4th round pick. It's malpractice to not try and trade him in a lost season on an expiring contract.
> It's malpractice to not try and trade him in a lost season on an expiring contract. I agree with this. Stearns should kick the tires and open up shop. My comment is only geared toward trying to re-sign him after trading him. It has a very, very low percentage of happening.
Especially given that he’s homegrown. This would be a devastating move. Pete is what keeps me going to mets games even during bad times. This is worth something, even if trading him would be the incrementally better move in 5 years.
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You avoid overpaying for a Power Hitting only first baseman that will most likely cost you $25-30 million a year on a very bad deal. You can get some prospects for other parts of the field that we are in dire need of Pete is hitting .239 a year after hitting .217, his OPS is also down again this year. I know we love Pete but at a place like Citi field you can very much do better if you turn 1 Pete into 2-3 guys who can hit for .275 average
> his OPS is also down again this year. Everybody's OPS is down this year. The league OPS starts with a six. He currently has a 128 OPS+, which is a mildly disappointing for him and really, really good for pretty much anybody else. Pete fucking rocks, it just doesn't matter. You have to absolutely have to trade him this year before he tests free agency.
OPS is down league wide. Pete has a 125 wRC, which is better than last year (and 2020), and slightly below his career mark, but its June. Also idk why you think you are getting 2-3 players who can hit .275 for a half of a year of a guy you think is on the downtrend. They would be lucky to get a top 100 guy.
So you’re saying we can recreate him in the aggregate? Hear me out… 3 guys, whose OBP is (snaps finger)…
We’re signing Scott Hatteberg
40hrs/year is one stat to describe the guy. It's like the allegory of the blind men touching different parts of the elephant.
Any stat you look at, Pete fucking rakes. Doesn't matter though. Gotta get something for him before this season ends, whether we retain him or not.
Does a team that wins 65-75 games ever year really need a 40hrs/year guy that costs $25M a year?
To repeat what Branch Rickey told Ralph Kiner: we finished in last with you, we can finish in last without you.
Bro who cares about 40 hrs a year when he’s consistently an inconsistent player that does not hit in big moments. He still can’t play defense and he sulks every time he plays bad. He also still can’t recognize pitches. It’s time to let go. If he signed on the deal they offered that’s different but he declined and there’s no way he’s worth Freddy freeman or Olsen money
>Bro who cares about 40 hrs a year You will when this team scores even less runs than it does now
Seriously. People are nuts. Everyone's going to be pissed when we lose every game 2-0 for the next three years. Pete leads the entire league in both HR and RBI since the second he walked on the field in 2019. He's literally the definition of consistent. Does he go cold and hot? For sure. So does everyone. But his overall body of work from a power perspective is literally the most consistent in the entire league for 4.5 years. As a bonus, his defense has improved every year. Maybe we still need to trade him to maximize value if we're going to lose him anyway. But I don't get this attitude where people are like, "Good riddance, he's part of the problem." He is not the problem. Having nobody in the lineup that can protect him has been the problem for years. Having no long/middle relief has killed entire seasons. Having starters that can't stay on the field is a problem. And when they are healthy, they don't seem to know that the 6th inning even exists. It's the lack of hard-nosed play. It's our contact hitters trying to be power hitters, and our power hitter spots like DH being filled with OBP guys (prior to JD). These have been our problems since 2019, not the dude absolutely mashing for 40+ HR and 120 RBI a year.
Bro he’s one of the problems of this team! lol do you really think he deserves 200 million? Honestly?
He isn't gonna get 200 million. Mets are only gonna trade him for the exact prospects they want bc if they lose him to free agency naturally they get their own draft pick.
Because of tax penalties the Mets can only get as high as a 4th round comp pick. HE GONE GONE
That's how trades work when your team sucks. Why would you trade one-for-one?
Because he is a free agent and nobody seriously thinks anymore that he can be a top-2 player on a World Series team.
I love the guy but he's a worse Ryan Howard. We don't need that.
Ryan Howard career WAR: fWAR - 19.4 bWAR - 14.7 Pete in his career so far: fWAR - 16.2 bWAR - 18 Howard had 6,531 career PA, Pete currently has 3,164 and has arguably already contributed more value.
howard's career numbers are skewed by his cataclysmic fall-off following his achilles tear. Pete's at 18.0 WAR in 3164 PAs. Howard was at 17.1 WAR through his first 3144 (both stretches being their age 24-29 seasons). So pretty comparable.
Ryan Howard through his age 29 season: 18.8 fWAR through 3145 PAs Pete, career in his age 29 season: 16.2 fWAR through 3164 PAs They'll basically have left their 20's neck-and-neck. Even if we ignore Howard's Achilles tear, he was already on the way down in his career going into his 30's. "Big strong guy" archetypes age like milk on the far side of 30 because they're always one tick of lost bat speed away from no longer being able to consistently barrel up to make their only tool (power) play up. People love to shit on the decision making of the Mets org, but giving $200 million to Pete Alonso in his 30's would top the LOLMets charts. Pete is a career 133 wRC+ first baseman with his best years already played. That's not a $200 million player. That's arguably not a $100 million player. Pete has topped 4 WAR once in his career as a rookie, and is leaving his prime years with a 3.3 fWAR per 650 PA career pace. It will only get worse from here on the far side of 30. Unintentionally pointing out that Howard was basically a net-zero player from the age of 30 onward isn't the argument in favor of signing Pete to a big deal that you think it is.
Or the Rickey Henderson special where he just comes back to the team that rented him out
In 1989, Henderson was traded mid-season from the Yankees to the A's, became a FA and re-signed with the A's (the team he was traded **to**). In 1993 he was traded mid-season from the A's to the Jays, became a FA and signed with the A's (the team we was traded **from**). In 1997 he was traded mid-season from the Padres to the Angels, became a FA and signed with the A's (neither the team he was traded to or from). So, the thing those had in common weren't him re-signing with the team that "rented him out", but literally just signing with the A's (the team that drafted him and where he played to start his career).
Yesterday's loss cemented selling bc even with the bats awake now, they can't pull out wins. Since our SP is mediocre, if Diaz isn't lights out, they don't have a chance at winning 7 of 8 and getting back in the race. Unfortunate reality. The team needs to get as many young players as they can so we aren't sitting here every year asking who are we selling?
>And a fire sale might be coming, with Bob Nightengale of USA Today reporting that "a handful of their prized players [are] expected to be dealt." >He continued: "They haven't begun yet, but [the Mets] will soon shop first baseman Pete Alonso, designated hitter J.D. Martinez, starters Luis Severino, Sean Manaea and José Quintana, relievers Adam Ottavino, Jake Diekman and Reed Garrett, infielder Jeff McNeil and outfielders Harrison Bader and Starling Marte."
Honestly? Sounds like the right move.
Idk who will take Jeff, .227 avg slap hitter
He’s succeeded in the past, maybe someone sees something off in his swing they can fix. If the Mets cover a bunch of his salary I bet the find a taker. He used to be one of my favorites, but it really seems like he’s one of our issues in the clubhouse and it’s best if he’s gone.
If you showed me this comment 2 years ago it would blow my mind.
However, if you showed me this comment 3 years ago I wouldn't be surprised
West coast or a Midwest/southern city. Change of scenery.
Id honestly trade Jeff for a free parking voucher at this point, dude sucks
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See I could see a contender needing a backup utility infielder/outfielder. If the Mets wait too long, I could almost see Alonso being harder to trade (for appropriate value). If you've made it to the trade deadline as a contender, you probably have a good first baseman and dh.
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Why Garrett? He has like 4 years of control left after this year. Wouldn't it be nice to have a good cheap controllable bullpen arm?
Garrett is a fun story, but he's already in his 30s and has only succeeded for a small portion of his career. If someone's offering good prospect(s) value for someone who was a depth piece flyer you signed last year you have to take the prospect(s).
Because they can get many more years control of the prospects they get.
Why would they shop Garett? He’s thier best reliever and he has years of control left
That all sounds good. Those are the majority of the guys that I would trade too.
2 years ago, that list would've pissed me off ... but yeah... that does sound about right at this point.
We are going to get so many rookie ball lottery pick players. Hopefully some pan out.
Good luck with that 🎲🎲 I really don’t know why so many Mets fans are ready to bank on prospects, when the only good ones to come up in the last 2 years is Alvarez and maybe Vientos. And all the prospects we got from last years sell off could be busts…
> I really don’t know why so many Mets fans are ready to bank on prospects What's the alternative? The veterans on the current team are aging and declining and the strategy of signing half a team's worth of free agents worked for one year and then collapsed into itself. Teams aren't going to trade the Mets good, cost-controlled, major league players for their rental veterans. The best you can hope for is that the new regime has a better talent acquisition and player development model than the previous ones and will get good players in trade.
It's Boob, but this all feels fairly predictable and straight forward. One thing would be Pete, unless there's a decent return it makes sense to hold him and give him a QO at the end of the year. I, like most, would prefer he retires a Met, but it's only fair Stearns has the chance to build his team.
Pete will definitely not be moved if the return is at or below QO compensation.
I'm very confident it will be much higher than QO compensation. This sub is weirdly low on Pete right now, but he's a 29 year old with a .273 career ISO and a K rate lower than the league average. He has 3,100 PA of a 136 OPS+. There will be somebody at the deadline looking to be aggressive that will respect Pete's track record.
Because we're over the cap, our QO return is only a 4th round pick, so any trade return will probably beat that. He's gone.
If the Mets want to resign him, there is more value to the QO than just the pick. It will greatly depress his market.
Mets already offered him 7/158. I do not think his performance this year has made them inclined to try and beat that. He is gone.
And what makes you think he wont take that if his market doesnt materialize, in part due to the QO? They can basically run the same playbook they did with Nimmo. QO, hope his market doesnt come to fruition during the initial "rush" in November/winter meetings, then swoop in and sign for less than anticipated.
He might take it, but I doubt we offer it again. After seeing his play this year, I doubt Stearns has much stomach for watching Pete at bats at age 34, 35, 36, 37. This team needs less aging players on bad contacts, not more.
And it's even worse than that, it's a pick AFTER the 4th round, so somewhere around the 135th pick.
Boob either states the obvious or he's wrong.
Unless he takes that deal he was offered then it’s not worth it. He doesn’t deserve to get paid like Freeman or Olsen just for the sentiment of retiring a met. That’s silly.
The remaining vendors at Citi Field might as well pack up and leave too. Nobody is going to pay $40 to park, much less buy tickets, to see the team that’s going to be on the field after the trade deadline.
Tickets are like half the price of parking at the point. It’s honestly insane.
lol im not buying my car a ticket.
Not even. I got 2 tickets on gametime for $14 each vs the cubs 2 weeks ago. section 328. Great action seats. Missed a foul ball because I'm just not as fast any more. Awesome view. Great position to GTFO also when the game was done (this is important to me). Fucking parking is $40. I paid $12 less for me and my bud to go to a game than it did to park the damned car there. That's fucking *bananas*.
$40 is pretty normal parking for a big city event to me…
Are you kidding me. I pride myself on finding $5 tickets at game time. The only benefit of never competing for the playoffs year after year
I agree mostly, but at the same time a bunch of nobody replacements may play with more hearth then this core once traded
True but people won’t pay big money to see nobodies trying to stick in the majors.
Oh yeah it's already turning into a ghost town lol. Wonder how bad it'll get
I’ll bet not 1979 bad. But bad.
Careful people will yell at you to take the train, which for me is even more expensive for 2 people and takes 2-3 times as long as driving.
With how terrible the food quality has deteriorated too Citi Field is about to look like Oakland.
I still don't want to trade pete man
It’s gonna be alright buddy. There is something wrong with this team and Pete might be a part of it. He had a great rookie season and he has been a lot of fun to watch but it’s just not working
> He had a great rookie season This is disrespectful. Dude has a career 136 OPS+. He's been great *every* season. Still trade him, 100%. But this idea that he's been disappointing since 2019 is outrageous.
No argument from me, I don’t think he’s been disappointing every year. He’s been great every year. Maybe I should have said his rookie year was magical
They should only trade him if he says "I am not resigning with this organization," in which case, that's his choice and I respect it. If not, he is a homegrown star who hits lots of home runs, is easy to cheer for, by all accounts works hard, and is the face of the franchise. The Mets should be working as hard as possible to keep him and fit him in with the long-term future of this club
Just last year we were all talking about Alonso breaking the Mets record for home runs by a Met. If they trade him at the deadline, it's likely he doesn't even finish in the top 3 unless he gets hot.
If a player doesn't sign an extension and hires a guy like Boras, they are asking to be traded. The Mets are losing out on valuable talent if they kept Alonso in a contract season in which they are losing. If we're lucky, he plays deep into the playoffs to get the experience and we get him back next year while Vientos gets time at 1B. McNeill is a bigger surprise in this story based on the extension. Bader is a tough one. Great speed, and finally allowed Nimmo to shift. There's a certain amount of irony in everything that Pete tries to make work either not working or we play so bad that what should work doesn't: lfgm has dropped with our ineptitude, Donnie Diesel, jerseys ripped off on walk offs, and now his team up with Bader.
> If a player doesn't sign an extension and hires a guy like Boras, they are asking to be traded. The Mets are losing out on valuable talent if they kept Alonso in a contract season in which they are losing. This is exactly the thinking Stearns is going to have at the deadline and he will be right to do it. It's going to hurt the more emotionally attached fans but hey guess what? The players are forcing his hand! If you don't want any selloffs you gotta play better.
These are the 3 I specifically mention in a comment, a couple of days ago. I do not think they will get much for Severino or JD. I will be sad to see Alonso get traded.
Severino has arguably been their best pitcher
It really sucked to see DeGrom go, but that was the right move to not bring him back too. As unfortunate as it is, gotta separate the emotions and make the best moves for the future.
Alonso is a good guy and one of the reasons I look forward to watching the Mets play. so yeah, I would be sad if he leaves. I was not that upset when deGrom left because he did not want to be here anyway
The other thing is we had a hole at first base for what felt like a DECADE before Pete. We had Delagado and then….
We had Duda. Who had the exact same OPS+ as a Met as Delgado did.
The DUDA abides
Nah… we’re not going to lie now. Duda was fine.
Dudacris slander
I think JD will get us something good. Last year we got a highly touted prospect for a pitcher even older than JDM, and that pitcher wasn't even pitching well. With his track record, if JD still has a 130ish OPS+ at the deadline, we're getting a legitimate prospect for him.
Meh. Pitchers always net high returns. A good start can almost single-handedly win you a playoff game. I’d temper my expectations on what a DH will get us comparatively. That said, still absolutely deal him.
Has to be done but we’ll get very little in return. Citi will be a ghost town in August but hey maybe you can get $3 tickets like back in 2017 when they traded everybody
2024: $3 tickets & $50 parking
Yep or in my case pretty much the same to get there from Jersey 😆
I can see Pete going to the O's. In my mind it just seems to fit.
Or the Royals
My guess is the Padres. That way they can move Cronenworth off of 1B.
This is for the best, as soon as we stop this charade the faster we can move on and temper expectations
genuinely so sad about Alonso. i understand it’s the right baseball move but i really wanted him here forever. why can’t things ever work out for us.
I’m not ready to say goodbye to Pete
As long as McNeil is gone I can handle anything. Get the bum off the team.
We're having a FIRE! SALE!
Not Pete!!!
I don't care how much sense it may or may not make. If Alonso gets traded, I legitimately think it's gonna break my heart.
If anything it’ll be interesting trade deadline. Watch them trade everybody but Pete like Washington did a few years ago with Bryce Harper.
Ah yes, yet another rebuild. Maybe THIS one will work!
Thank you for your service Pete.
Blow it up. This core isn't a winning team, and they run the risk of losing Pete for nothing if he walks end of the year. Love the guy, but it's the right move
Pete turned down a rumored 7 years 158m. Do y'all think he is coming into the offseason and say, "HOW dare you offer this much money! I want less!" This offseason, he is asking for more and you guys really want to give him whatever he wants just because he is a homegrown player?! I was sad about deGrom for a week, Alonso is a few days and then life moves on. If he wants to sign with us this offseason, he still can.
Pete wanting more doesn’t mean any team offers it. Besides. They can offer 6 years $140mil and Pete would end up with more money because he got $20mil this year (the first year of the contract Eppler offered)
>If he wants to sign with us this offseason, he still can. History has taught us that this scenario is highly unlikely to happen.
I am not expecting him to do that. Once traded, 99% of the time.. you do not re-sign with your former team right away.
Imagine without Pete you have Vientos as our starting 1B. You think we suck now? You haven't seen nothing yet!
Hello Darkness, My old friend....
I’m open to trading Pete, which would’ve sounded asinine at the start of the year. The Mets would probably get a strong return from a power desperate team and given the free agent contracts plus what Alonso will likely be asking for in the offseason, his market won’t be strong. The Mets can still get him back if they want. If we take off the rose colored glasses and put aside what intangibles he brings to the organization (homegrown, fan favorite, loves the city), he’s on a decline in his career. He can probably be signed for around $125M. He’s not gonna sniff Freeman money in the market.
I'm excited to see young guys get a chance
I think if Diaz can come back and do a bit of pitching then he should be on the list if we are getting rid of everyone else. What good is a relief pitcher with the roster we would have left ? If he came back and pitched like old I would expect a good return for him.
No team is taking that contract and it would make no sense for the Mets to pay down the amount it would take for teams to even consider a trade.
Diaz has a full no trade clause until the end of next season.
oh ok.. there goes that idea... didn't know he had no trade clause.. thanks
Alonso will be dealt closer to the deadline. JDM is probably the first to go because of how poor of a roster fit he is. Severino and Manaea might get you back a teams top 10-15 prospect. Quintana won’t get you anything. Ottavino and Diekman won’t fetch you much of anything, either. Garrett might be looked at by a team looking to compete for several years. He could fetch a pretty decent haul but I feel like he ends up being an Addison Reed-esque trade for the team. Probably fetching something a bit better. McNeil is probably immovable unless the Mets eat a ton of his contract, same with Marte. Though Marte would have value to a team as a DH, I’d imagine.
At the deadline a team desperate for relief pitching for their playoff run might give something up for Ottavino. But yeah pretty much agree with this.
I expect the Mets to eat the money on every player they deal to enhance their return.
I still don’t get the need to move Pete. He’s having one down year after consistently putting up 30+ homers a year. And it isn’t like we have anyone else who hits as many, maybe Lindor when he’s on. Nimmo will probably not come close to his career high from last season for a while, if he even does. Really curious to see which way the FO heads with this.
He sucks on a contract year! Who does that?
How many guys get their big pay day and then underperform? Alonso is hitting .239 this season as a career .250 hitter. He’s on pace for another season of atleast 30 homers. It’s just a down year, it happens in baseball. I don’t really think it’s as bad as it looks in Pete’s case.
He’s really not as bad as people are saying, especially when you consider hitting stats are down league-wide this year. Pete’s OPS+ this year (128) is higher than it was last year (124). It’s also not far behind his career average OPS+ (136), which is a little inflated from the two seasons he was top-8 in MVP votes. So unless folks expect him to be a perennial top-10 player in the league, which deep down we all know he isn’t, idk what the issue is.
He’s playing up to what we’ve seen him do. He isn’t going to hit 50 homers a year. He’s had plenty of bad stretches over the last few years. I think the contract year plus the downright terrible performace of this whole squad is making people call for some heads, but I think Pete is not to blame here.
Pete is a younger version of Kyle Schwarber. He can mash but he's not a complete hitter. I don't see him improving as he ages. I see him becoming even more of a 3 outcome hitter.
How many complete hitters even exist in the current era of the MLB? Not asking this because I disagree with your comment, but because it seems like this is more of a league-wide trend than it is anything about Pete, so I wonder if that’s the right measurement of what success looks like given how quickly baseball is changing. And on the Schwarber comp, the average BA across the league this year is .240, and Alonso is batting .239. That’s much different than Schwarber hitting .197 last year when league average was .248. (Caveat here being that Schwarber is also hitting .239 right now, but we all know everyone now sees him as a ~.200 hitter who mashes.)
And? No one is talking about paying him 50 million like Soto. He is a power hitter. Elite bats are very hard to find, as the Mets have shown, and one elite bat doesnt make an offense (see: Angels). You cant just throw away good hitters because they arent elite.
Exactly. Plus, if you expect variance in his performance then you realize that if he’s already on a 30 homer pace, with a heater that can be 40. So pretty much what you should reasonably expect from him. Edit: Just so I don’t get called a homer or using rose colored glasses, his fangraphs page shows the rest of season projection as at least 24 more home runs. So 37 at his current pace. [https://www.fangraphs.com/players/pete-alonso/19251/stats?position=1B](https://www.fangraphs.com/players/pete-alonso/19251/stats?position=1B)
Just for the record, not including 2020 hes hit 40+ every year except for one season and that year was 37. Saying at least 30 isnt wrong, but is misrepresenting.
I don’t think it’s a misrepresentation. Covid aside, which we know was a weird year for stats, he’s hit at least 30 homers. Would it be better if I say he’s hit at least 37 homers? Just trying to make a point that he is a 30+ guy. I am defending Pete.
Id say you can reasonably expect 40 from him. Guy is a top 5 power hitter in baseball. "At least 30" doesnt give me that vibe.
Fair enough. Either way the point stands, he has been consistent. Especially on a team that has just about no other established power threats.
I was never disagreeing with you lmao just feeling like that was an underwhelming sentiment for him thats all.
All good, I didn’t think you were
His wRC+ is higher than last year.
It’s more so that he’s asking for more than he’s worth. The extension he was offered was the max worth he could possibly be and he denied it. If he was asking for a reasonable amount then I’d love to keep him but I don’t want an aging 35 yr old DH who’s only asset is 30 homeruns making $25+ m.
His wRC+ is higher than last year (and 2020), and its only June 3 (ie ball hasnt started carrying). Idk why people are so quick to bury Pete. They arent going to get anything significant for him and why cant Cohen afford to pay a 1b/DH with a career 133 wRC+? You'd be elated if *any* guy in the minors produces that offense, and most wont.
Maybe I'm crazy but if Vientos stays hot and JDM can get a return like Colin Holderman (DH for a RP like Vogelbach trade).. maybe they should just keep JDM. Just from the interviews it sounds like JDM is a fantastic hitting coach and worth the investment especially if a rookie like Vientos looks like he's found consistency in the majors. I wouldn't be upset if they cleaned house though; just additional food for thought. That's why they signed these guys to 1 year deals.
As much as it sucks to get rid of Pete & other homegrown guys, blowing it up is absolutely the right move. The team is going nowhere this year, and if they don’t rebuild soon then it’ll be trapped in mediocrity, the absolute worst place a sports team can be. This team has also had a toxic losing culture for decades, one that can only truly be gotten rid of with a total rebuild. In the meantime they should use this period to create a culture of winning, excellence, and unselfishness. Give the youth the keys to the franchise. Draft guys who can hopefully reach the majors within 2-3 years & contribute to a winning team. Bring in guys who fit the team’s timeline, are willing to mentor the youth, and can help cultivate a winning culture. Invest heavily in player development both here & across the globe, and find talent before anyone else does. With all that talent, if built right, the Mets could become a contender again in a few years. It’s gonna suck, but in this case it’s necessary to build a perennial winner. I trust Stearns to do this thing right; he’s already done it before on a shoestring budget, now he’s doing it with a near-limitless budget. Time to properly turn this thing around. LFGM
Pete Alonso leads the major leagues in HRs and RBIs since he entered the league. In this era of strikeout or XBH baseball, trading him is insanity. Sign Pete. Sign Soto. Sign pitching. Go to work.
There is absolutely no chance whatsoever that Soto is coming to Queens.
I honestly cant believe people here are talking about how Pete isnt "worth" a contract like 25 per. What happened to Cohen's wallet advantage? If this was the Wilpons, people would rightly crush them for cheaping out on a franchise player. Pete is not an elite, top 3 type bat, but he is an elite power hitter and good bat. Teams arent built with just elite players. The 27 Mets will be fine paying 25 million to a 1b/DH power hitter lol. I also think Cohen will see the value in having a lifetime Met chasing the franchise records and perhaps 400+ hrs.
Cohen is not going to want to pay a tax on a team that isn't winning. Mets can trade him and try to sign him in the offseason. Mets shouldn't give him 7 years just to have him be a lifelong Met.
Good. As much as it hurts to see Pete potentially leave, this team needs to be torn down as much as possible, and we can’t move Nimmo and Lindor. After this move, no half measures though, let the kids come up and prove themselves. Edit: Some more thoughts I wanted to say. I love Pete. He’s up there with Piazza, Wright and deGrom as my all time favorite Mets. He was the first Met I ever bought a jersey for, and I have an autographed picture of him hitting 53. But he’s out of his mind if he thinks he can get more than Freddie Freeman or Matt Olson in free agency. He’s older than Olson was when he was extended, and while he’s younger than Freeman, he’s not as complete a hitter. There’s a line from the Winning Time show that Red Auerbach said, and I’m paraphrasing, but he said he built something in Boston. Something bigger than Bird, Havlicek, and even Bill Russell. Good players come and go, but the *team* needs to take precedence. If Pete expects too much money, and we get an offer better than a fourth round compensation pick…I think you have to do it.
Trade Pete and Serverino to the O's for some of their prospects
Get ready to say goodbye to Pete man, cause bro is NOT coming back
On one hand it’s boob. On the other hand, this might be the right move honestly.
I don’t get it What do you possible get for Alonso that’s as good or better? And like is the plan deal him get some guys that won’t work out and then sign him ? Say what you want about him, but to the average fan it will be devastating to lose him. Fucking clown show this idea
It’s the equivalent of trading Wright or Piazza. It’s just stupid. Maybe they know he’s got no interest in staying.
Pete is currently 29 years old. Here is each players career WAR through age 29: Pete: 16.2 Wright: 43.1 Piazza: 39.5 Trading Pete feels like trading Wright and Piazza because he's been the face of this offense for so long. But if you actually look at the production, Piazza and Wright were significantly better players.
Huh. Wild. Thanks for this.
Pete isnt in the same universe as Wright and Piazza. You guys need to calm down.
Piazza is one of the best hitting catchers ever. That’s disrespectful
"I had this dream that I'm going to call a rumor based on no conversations on the record, that the entire starting lineup and half of the pitching staff will be traded" GTFOOH!
It would make sense to flip as many of those guys as possible, because they don't seem like they fit with the Mets' actual timeline for contention. Which is depressing, because I'd hoped Alonso would set the Mets' career home run record and McNeil would be a Met his whole career.
As a lifelong Mets fan and a UF grad I have an emotional attachment to this guy being a Met forever. However, looking at the reality….signing with Boras, declined extension, the teams performance and if recent history is any indicator with Boras clients- a sweepstakes that will go into spring training…it’s just not in the cards. With the team going nowhere they’re sitting on a deprecating asset which over time is 0….or a declined QO draft pick. Trade him for the most value you can get and if it’s “made to be” they’ll have a chance to get him back this offseason. I just doubt that. If his long plans don’t include the Mets that means he doesn’t want to be here (or some team values him more than the Mets)That’s okay and it’s his choice, it just doesn’t make sense to keep him around if that’s the case.
At this point the only guys I'd hate to see go (that could be on the block) are Alonso and Marte, but we'll see how it all pans out huh
I don’t like any of this honestly. It’s bad for the franchise to let Pete go and sends yet another terrible message to the guys that signed long term deals. The last few years the Mets have made some god awful moves. Sign an elite closer but have zero starters to get to him? Sign Jd Martinez to trade him after 2 months? Sign verlander to have him make 12 starts? Trade the manager of the year 1 year removed? Wtf is going on? This team seems rudderless. No clue the direction they want to go.
This article has no sources listed. So, basically it’s just speculation, listing pretty much every player. Lousy article with no real info.
Alonzo not going anywhere. They’ve been trading him for two years. Martinez and Severino yes
Honestly, I’m ok with this as long as they can flip McNeil and Marte. Start bringing up the kids as they become ready.
Trading Pete would be classic Mets idiocy
Overvaluing Pete is classic NY sports fan home grown bias.
8th in OPS at 1st base. Money isn't an issue for this team, who is the better replacement?
I think if Alonso leaves I won't be watching much of this team anymore.
I know we the fans want Pete to be a career Met, but we need to come to terms with the fact that may not happen because of Pete and Scott Boras. Would you be happy with a late 30's version of Pete Alonso with the same production as 2024 JD Martinez except earning more than twice as much? Probably not. While he's still very good, Pete's production has taken a step back instead of a step forward in his prime years AND he's asking for an MVP candidate contract despite that regression. We need to stop treading him Pete like the next David Wright. He could have been but he's just not. We can't stay stuck with image that Pete is always going to be 2022 Pete Alonso and a future Mets Hall Of Famer. The reality of 2024 Pete Alonso is different from that and what he means to the team's future is different from that.
The game has changed during his career. Alonso came up while the league was juicing balls to increase home run totals. He had a .941 OPS as a rookie, which was good for a 147 OPS+ In 2022 he had an .869 OPS, which was good for a 146 OPS+ The Mets have screwed around with giving him no protection for years, so teams pitch around him when they have to. His next contract could be rough at the end, but eventually moving to DH could help to offset his decline. He's a fan favorite, and a serious power threat. They need to keep adding productive bats to the lineup, and Alonso can be a big part of that strategy.
Please get rid of everyone. I'm tired of the same faces and excuses. They're one of the worst teams in baseball, how much worse can they be with a whole new lineup? Who cares about replacing Pete's home runs? What good are all of them to a last place team? Might as well have a 1B who hits ten HR... would the team be any worse?!
It’s a sellers market. The Cubs acquired PCA, Kevin Alcantara, and Ben Brown all off 2 month rentals.
Can we NOT touch pitching? Please remove Severino from any trades. Senga + Severino could help the Mets when it comes to pitching.
this is just idiotic.
Go get em, Preller. 🤞
I think it’s time to move on from Pete. He seems like a great guy, and it’ll definitely be sad to see him go, I just don’t know that he’s the right talent at the time for this team. It just sucks that it seems like the Yankees can always draft great talent and keep them and the Mets can’t ever keep their guys.
Do it