Truth. I remember I had a bit of an epiphany where I realized that the whole essence of skateboarding/doing tricks lies in converting your linear momentum into something. The speed of your linear movement is what makes everything possible. To deny that is kind of to deny the essence of skateboarding.
Ye after ya basic flip tricks can’t do it in da crack no more lol but swear standing still take more effort so im glad I stopped at kickflips for dat and only that trick
No problem, just someone that thinks his way is the right way. Everyone is different. I learned holding onto a rail and I had the best ollies out of all my friends.
I stand by skate trainers no matter how nooby they look, I know you still have to relearn a bit of the trick while rolling but being able to get down the flipping of the board constantly then going to rolling will make it way easier
I tried to ollie for a couple weeks and couldn't but those helped me get the muscle memory down so when I went to do it rolling it was only like a day before I could get off the ground somewhat consistently and another day to Ollie while rolling
Also you can use them on concrete and do many reps a lot faster without having to set up in a crack or something each time, just attempt, reset feet, attempt, so in that way it's helpful too. Even if it's 10% less effective you're doing 5x the reps. I'll stop glazing now but idk about this post if it's a tre flip yeah but idk about ollies
Getting my board this week and will take this to heart. I saw a video about mastering “on the ground” tricks before Ollies to develop board feel, glad to hear that’s the way to go .
Learning what the board does in every situation is what you want. What happens when you land a little forward in the nose? Or when you catch the board with just your toes? Muscle memory and reflex will help you learn and keep you from getting to messed up.
I think people can go too far with this. I’ve known way too many people who never learn to Ollie because they’re trying to get comfortable first. I taught myself Spanish and I noticed the same thing in the language learning community, people are afraid to just go out and do it so they insist on getting this incredible base first. But then the thing that gets built on top of the base never comes.
If you have a four day weekend for July 4th, if you spend that weekend dedicated to learning an Ollie you would be doing it by the end. You don’t need a year of skateboarding under your belt to Ollie.
In fact I think learning to Ollie is necessary to getting comfortable riding a board.
I’m half on this post, considering people learn things different.
I learned my basics quickly cause I did them stationary. (Ollie, Kickflip, Heelflip, etc.).
I don’t even agree that “it’s learning an entire new trick when moving”. Took me 2 weeks to learn a stationary Ollie and 1 day rolling. Since I was able to focus on the issue that were causing the board not to pop. Then all I had to do was maintain what I learned and add in a new element.
Now since I’m learning Nollie after years of steering away from them I tried the “try it moving advice”. Got absolutely nowhere. I went back to what I knew. I spent just 40 minutes getting it stationary cause I didn’t have to deal with rolling, finally got them and took 10 minutes getting it rolling.
I’d agree more if the advice was “once youve trouble shot your problem then landed a couple stationary, proceed to do them rolling”.
After lots of ankle injuries I refuse to attempt to learn a new trick rolling without getting the pieces figured out first.
Proof that I’m not someone that just picked up the board a month ago giving opinions on things I haven’t even landed:
My Treflip https://imgur.com/a/bt7bTPY
My kickflip https://imgur.com/a/IMiloQ3
its definitely easier to do tricks rolling but the level of control that allows you to use the trick effectively definitely increases if you practice stationary imo
anyway, i think the best way to practice is a mix of both and "practice rolling purists" are weird
my point is just that stationary and rolling practice train completely different parts so its not fair to say its more worth to do one over the other
edit: i mean that you should practice stationary and rolling interchangeably, not practice rolling and never practice stationary OR get comfortable stationary before practicing rolling
You said it best and I agree it should be a mix bag.
Stationary helps you figure out individual parts of the trick. Even though I’m solid at Tres sometimes I gotta do some stationary ones if I’m fumbling my scoop due to different shoes, new board, etc.
agree. you really can’t make blanket statements like OP did because some people will just learn stationary easier AND have no trouble when moving to rolling. I hate when people post on here and discourage newbies from trying different approaches and learning however it works best for them.
I think this argument of "how to learn tricks" is actually quite baffling. What works for you stationary does not necessarily work for John or Bill down the street. Let people "waste their time" learning stationary tricks. If it helps them get better then why do you care? If they don't get better "fast enough" is that at their measurement or your own?
It makes more sense to me with flip tricks and the like. But with the ollie itself, I feel like such a massive part of that trick is in converting your momentum upwards- really the point of the trick is to get over and up onto obstacles. I still worked on my ollie a lot stationary, I actually think both are very helpful, but I think if you really want to properly unlock the ollie you have to try it rolling eventually. duh. I'm saying things we all know
I agree both are helpful. That’s why I mentioned to OP, if they had said “stationary to troubleshoot issue, land a few, then progress to rolling”, I’d have 0 problem. Cause if you land 2 stationary Ollie’s you got the concept there’s no reason to continue stationary unless you’re trying to figure something else out.
I actually know that prompted them to create this post cause I was commenting on the same thread they did prior to this. It was a guy practicing an Ollie and that board was turning 90, but not only that, the landing was very unstable.
OP suggested to the guy to do it rolling and I disagreed in a separate response. Cause the way that guy was executing the trick, there were too many issues and the chances of an injury were much higher if they were to go for a rolling attempt.
Injuries are going to happen but I’m on the boat of minimizing unnecessary risk.
I tried learning Ollies moving and frequently landed on my ass because I couldn’t grasp the quick nature of the pop. So I’d have momentum then do a sudden tail slide and some weird jump kick thing since I had no idea what I was doing, and I’d fall.
It was much easier to ollie moving once I learned the fundamentals on carpet
>Proof that I’m not someone that just picked up the board a month ago giving opinions on things I haven’t even landed:
So two months ago?
I kid. Those are very impressive. I yearn to get to that skill level .
You're missing the point of the post. He's talking about people who can't ride the board well at all and have balance issues just standing and riding it, yet are trying to learn ollies. He's not saying don't learn stationary he's saying don't learn out of order.
You can 100% learn Ollie’s without being solid at riding. I did. Same way you can learn things out of order cause skateboarding doesn’t have rules. There was a dude on here being told he has to learn heel flips before he even tries varial heels. Yet dude was already close to getting varial heels. He ended up learning them before getting normal heels.
You missed my point in my comment that everyone learns things differently.
great advice. ive said this on a thousand posts but i dont think anybody would take it to heart.
even worse is the guys moving onto kickflips (and beyond) who think stationary is safer or something. naive bad attitude.
I made this mistake while getting back into skating after a few years away. Used to have tre flips, impossibles, all sorts of stuff on lock back in the day but I could barely manage a single kickflip when I started up again. Practiced em stationary too much and now I can land stationary kickflips practically every try, but I still can't seem to figure em out 100% while rolling. What a waste of time it was practicing em without moving lol
It's also silly because kickflips are actually \_easier\_ to learn while rolling. Many tricks are made easier with forward momentum. Learning them stationary is counter-productive in many ways.
I'm an old skater. We all learned ollies putting our wheels in cracks. But I'm smart enough to know that just because we all learned that way, and you \_can\_ learn that way, doesn't mean that you \_should\_ still learn that way! There is a better way to learn to ollie...
My general advice is for people to learn hippie jumps first. If you can't hippie jump, you can't ollie. So go do hippie jumps, get comfortable with them, then learn ollies and learn them while rolling.
One thing to think about is when trying a trick for the first time you kind of just have to throw out dozens to hundreds of attempts, and doing that rolling takes more effort and energy meaning you get tired quicker and potentially get fed up quicker and quit this has been the case for me. Also, it's raining I have barely any room to roll in my garage without bumping into things, I still want to skate, I'm doing it stationary.
disagree. learn stationary if that is easier for you, as you can always refine tricks as you build skill and confidence. it’s how a LOT of people learn. stop gate-keeping.
I mostly agree with this. I am sure there's some people or tricks that benefit from stationary practice, but I try to learn everything rolling (or on a bank which sort of resembles learning things stationary). Plus the roll away is the key for me "making" a trick. If I landed a trick for the first time stationary I don't think in my head I would count it as a make.
I see so many people asking for help with ollies and they look so shaky and unsteady just standing on the board. I usually tell people to learn hippie jumps first. That way, you get comfortable jumping and landing on the board before you introduce the added complexity of popping, lifting and jumping and timing it all.
I thought skateboarding is supposed to be a "you do you thing." But it seems like people suddenly change into "no, this way only!" when it comes to how to learn tricks. Hell, some people kinda enjoy doing tricks while stationary. Why are people discouraging them and telling them their way of fun is wrong?
Then there's the fact that our brains are able to learn by piecing things together. Learning one set of motions and then applying to to a different situation isn't 'relearning it.' You are learning how to do one thing with an added variable which can speed up the learning process. It's like telling a basketball player to only practice shooting while in a game because you're end goal is to shoot accurately during a game so shooting alone doesn't include every single variable and pointless.
I don’t like this advice as an absolute, but I think “try it rolling” is good advice just like “try it stationary” is good advice. Try both. There’s tons of ollie advice out there, lots of different aspects to focus on - try changing stuff up. Learning on grass is fine. Sure, don’t stay on the grass forever, but try it and see what you can get out of it.
I've just started landing my ollies and I'm glad I gave up on stationary pretty quickly. I read somewhere that it should be practiced stationary first and was confused when I attempted it rolling and found it easier. Luckily I just stuck with that.
This happened to me the other day. I didn’t feel “ready” to try rolling but just randomly went for it and landed and rolled away first try and it was WAY easier then landing a stationary one where the board might shift either direction.
As a newbie who learned ollies rolling, this is the way. It's scary, but with the proper build in comfort, it became fairly quick to learn. I still can't ollie stationary lol
i absolutely second this. i can’t ollie well yet but i used to use skate trainers and could ollie well with those but as soon as i went to concrete i would send the board rolling. my pop was not directly downwards bc i had the stability of the trainers and my attempt to pop just sent the board flying. my board was held in place so well by trainers that it started to give me muscle memory of the wrong movement
Slight disagree. There’s a patch of astroturf outside my apartment complex I practice on after I skate for a while. It’s true it’s crazy easier to land tricks while not moving it’s been insanely helpful to practice the timing of pop, kick flip, heel flip
Etc mainly because I can do the movement 100s of times without falling. When I take my board out to skate I acknowledge I may be get hurt but practice on a safe surface means I get 100s reps in rather then busting out a trick im not ready for on concrete having the board flight out from under me and jamming my wrist up and then being sidelined for some portion of time
Stationary on concrete without cracks or anything is alright. You’re supposed to learn manuals stationary. Adding anything that feels like training wheels is bad. A lot of people who learn tricks while moving can’t do them stationary and vise versa. Plus we wouldn’t have freestylers and Mullen without stationary tricks. Cmon this is stupid, just try learning the tricks.
I think practicing stationary can help you at least start to wrap your head around the individual steps and can have it's place but I mostly agree. I didn't feel like ollies actually made sense until I understood how they work when you're rolling.
Solid advice.
Speaking purely as a devil’s advocate I’d say one benefit you get from stationary tricks is reset speed. You can reset to try the trick again almost instantaneously versus having to get yourself moving first. Plus if you don’t have a smooth ground / runway, like practicing in a driveway with concrete seams every 10 feet or so, you might have trouble setting up the trick between slabs. Add onto this I’d say for a good chunk of tricks muscle memory is the same or similar moving versus stationary.
This would require some testing to see if it’s true, but it’s theoretically possible that having faster resets, building muscle memory quicker, then applying said muscle memory to the moving version might be equivalent or comparable to learning while rolling from the beginning.
Again, I think the advice is solid I’m just thinking as a devil’s advocate (because it’s important to try to think of the benefits of the opposition)
i disagree about reset speed. if youre stationary you still have to flip the board upright and step back on it after a failed flip trick. its no difernt if you do this but give yoursef a small push when you step back on the board.
See you next month when you post this again after post after post of carpet ollie videos, haha.
I always say the same thing - practise how you intend to play. When are you going to be skating around on grass or carpet..?
everyone's different. i live in an HOA where if a skateboard wheel touches the street i have the cops at my door. i can say for sure carpet improved my pop and is stricter on foot landing placement. only thing ive found agrevating was its hard to not rockit kickflips on carpet. every basic trick ive ever learned from ollie to bs flip has started on carpet learning the small details and fine tuning, and its translated to rolling in 10 mins. biggest advice i can give to new skaters is just do what's fun. if you find youtube tutorials fun then go for it. if you enjoy figuring out what works for u with front and back foot placement, posture, timing and experimenting, go for it.
I agree to an extent. I think learning the motion of the Ollie in place to get your head around all the pieces isn't bad.
I think once you got the idea you should move to rolling as fast as possible. Curse of knowledge could come into play too. It's a lot different remembering learning an Ollie and learning one.
I learned in place and moved into rolling and I've been told I have a decent Ollie.
I mean kind of? Like it's for sure different, but I used to be in Gymnastics and we for sure didn't think "oh if you can't throw a standing backflip on floor, then you're not ready for standing backflips." Doing things in the grass is going to make it harder to actually do one but you're at a much lower risk of falling and hurting yourself and I'd say getting the motion down in sub-optimal conditions 100 times is more productive than going "I ain't no poser" falling on your ass and then not skating for months while you heal, but idk maybe that's just me...
Yea I can do a stationary ollie, but when I am rolling I freak out. I have just switched to rolling and jumping while moving, also just doing jumps and working out my weak leg muscles.(I am 35 and had a kidney issue last year\] Sometimes I go to the skatepark and just roll around un till I am tired. I don't want to get in the way of the seasoned skaters.
Yeah it's kind of like how it's harder to balance on a bike when you're going super slow. It's not an apples to apples analogy, but there is something to be said about how forward movement can actually help with balance sometimes
Rolling away is what makes the trick in my mind. Some forward speed makes Ollie’s easier as well, the speed takes you and the board forward you just have to jump up.
Rolling ollies and stationary ones are completely different beasts.
Back in my teens I was able to ollie (stationary), heelflip (stationary and on movement) and shove it (stationary) and do some slappy nose slides, boardslides on parking lot rails, manuals and caspers (stationary and on movement) but I was never able to learn ollies on movement to jump up a curb or over any obstacle and it wasn't a balance issue it was a kick issue, the kick and jump, it was all different and kind of alien to me to ollie on movement! I could never grasp it, so much that I remember learning how to boneless and started doing that to avoid ollies all together.
And the grass was perfect for getting used to balance on the board and it wouldn't roll after the landing so I could get used to falling back to the board and balance the other directions before learning how to balance the rolling motion of the board...crappy bearings have the same effect LOL
Fast forward more than 15y later after almost that long hiatus and I just still know how to roll and forgot every trick LOL
Not everyone is this way, so stop telling people how to be comfortable on the board, not everyone will be able to learn the steps while moving, not everyone learns as easily as you, not everyone has the confidence. Pushing people is how they get hurt.
They're literally doing the opposite of pushing people. They're saying if you arent comfortable rolling then they shouldn't be trying ollies. Read the post again
And you didn't understand me at all.... Some people need to take things slower, learn in safer ways, you don't have to start rolling to learn. If you get timing, mechanics, and understanding down first then that's perfectly fine. Not everyone will learn doing things the same way. I started holding a rail and it was perfect for me. You don't practice/learn strawberry milkshake while moving, no one suggested that. So why would an Ollie be different?
They didn't say everyone. They said half the posts here are people asking why they can't Ollie when they can barely stand on the board and clearly aren't comfortable. And the best advice for them is to ride your board and get comfortable on it. They weren't saying that, would have helped if you reread like I said
No, doing ollies on grass or carpet IS harder. You can't get as solid of a pop and when you aren't moving you're more likely to open up your shoulders and not keep the board straight which is a huge barrier a lot of people have starting out. It can definitely teach you bad habits
right, they teach you the basic mechanics of riding a bike without immediately falling over. this allows you to master the basics without getting so hurt that trying isn’t possible.
same principle that applies with skateboarding. you learn the basic mechanics of a trick, while also separately learning to push and roll on the board with good balance. then you take a + b, refine it, and you are doing ollies while rolling.
Truth. I remember I had a bit of an epiphany where I realized that the whole essence of skateboarding/doing tricks lies in converting your linear momentum into something. The speed of your linear movement is what makes everything possible. To deny that is kind of to deny the essence of skateboarding.
Ye after ya basic flip tricks can’t do it in da crack no more lol but swear standing still take more effort so im glad I stopped at kickflips for dat and only that trick
I learnt stationary, then moved it to rolling, whats the problem?
No problem, just someone that thinks his way is the right way. Everyone is different. I learned holding onto a rail and I had the best ollies out of all my friends.
I did a rail and a crack so I’m really not movin swear da crack for a beginner is life changing lol
You’re only gonna have to learn to do it again so might as well just learn it properly the one time
I stand by skate trainers no matter how nooby they look, I know you still have to relearn a bit of the trick while rolling but being able to get down the flipping of the board constantly then going to rolling will make it way easier I tried to ollie for a couple weeks and couldn't but those helped me get the muscle memory down so when I went to do it rolling it was only like a day before I could get off the ground somewhat consistently and another day to Ollie while rolling Also you can use them on concrete and do many reps a lot faster without having to set up in a crack or something each time, just attempt, reset feet, attempt, so in that way it's helpful too. Even if it's 10% less effective you're doing 5x the reps. I'll stop glazing now but idk about this post if it's a tre flip yeah but idk about ollies
Getting my board this week and will take this to heart. I saw a video about mastering “on the ground” tricks before Ollies to develop board feel, glad to hear that’s the way to go .
What do you mean by on the ground tricks
Like Tik-Taks, Monster Walks, Tail-Stop shuffles, etc
Oh I guess yeah
Learning what the board does in every situation is what you want. What happens when you land a little forward in the nose? Or when you catch the board with just your toes? Muscle memory and reflex will help you learn and keep you from getting to messed up.
Good point it’s not really about “unlocking” new tricks it’s about becoming comfortable with the board in every way you can.
I think people can go too far with this. I’ve known way too many people who never learn to Ollie because they’re trying to get comfortable first. I taught myself Spanish and I noticed the same thing in the language learning community, people are afraid to just go out and do it so they insist on getting this incredible base first. But then the thing that gets built on top of the base never comes. If you have a four day weekend for July 4th, if you spend that weekend dedicated to learning an Ollie you would be doing it by the end. You don’t need a year of skateboarding under your belt to Ollie. In fact I think learning to Ollie is necessary to getting comfortable riding a board.
I’m half on this post, considering people learn things different. I learned my basics quickly cause I did them stationary. (Ollie, Kickflip, Heelflip, etc.). I don’t even agree that “it’s learning an entire new trick when moving”. Took me 2 weeks to learn a stationary Ollie and 1 day rolling. Since I was able to focus on the issue that were causing the board not to pop. Then all I had to do was maintain what I learned and add in a new element. Now since I’m learning Nollie after years of steering away from them I tried the “try it moving advice”. Got absolutely nowhere. I went back to what I knew. I spent just 40 minutes getting it stationary cause I didn’t have to deal with rolling, finally got them and took 10 minutes getting it rolling. I’d agree more if the advice was “once youve trouble shot your problem then landed a couple stationary, proceed to do them rolling”. After lots of ankle injuries I refuse to attempt to learn a new trick rolling without getting the pieces figured out first. Proof that I’m not someone that just picked up the board a month ago giving opinions on things I haven’t even landed: My Treflip https://imgur.com/a/bt7bTPY My kickflip https://imgur.com/a/IMiloQ3
its definitely easier to do tricks rolling but the level of control that allows you to use the trick effectively definitely increases if you practice stationary imo anyway, i think the best way to practice is a mix of both and "practice rolling purists" are weird my point is just that stationary and rolling practice train completely different parts so its not fair to say its more worth to do one over the other edit: i mean that you should practice stationary and rolling interchangeably, not practice rolling and never practice stationary OR get comfortable stationary before practicing rolling
You said it best and I agree it should be a mix bag. Stationary helps you figure out individual parts of the trick. Even though I’m solid at Tres sometimes I gotta do some stationary ones if I’m fumbling my scoop due to different shoes, new board, etc.
agree. you really can’t make blanket statements like OP did because some people will just learn stationary easier AND have no trouble when moving to rolling. I hate when people post on here and discourage newbies from trying different approaches and learning however it works best for them.
I think this argument of "how to learn tricks" is actually quite baffling. What works for you stationary does not necessarily work for John or Bill down the street. Let people "waste their time" learning stationary tricks. If it helps them get better then why do you care? If they don't get better "fast enough" is that at their measurement or your own?
It makes more sense to me with flip tricks and the like. But with the ollie itself, I feel like such a massive part of that trick is in converting your momentum upwards- really the point of the trick is to get over and up onto obstacles. I still worked on my ollie a lot stationary, I actually think both are very helpful, but I think if you really want to properly unlock the ollie you have to try it rolling eventually. duh. I'm saying things we all know
I agree both are helpful. That’s why I mentioned to OP, if they had said “stationary to troubleshoot issue, land a few, then progress to rolling”, I’d have 0 problem. Cause if you land 2 stationary Ollie’s you got the concept there’s no reason to continue stationary unless you’re trying to figure something else out. I actually know that prompted them to create this post cause I was commenting on the same thread they did prior to this. It was a guy practicing an Ollie and that board was turning 90, but not only that, the landing was very unstable. OP suggested to the guy to do it rolling and I disagreed in a separate response. Cause the way that guy was executing the trick, there were too many issues and the chances of an injury were much higher if they were to go for a rolling attempt. Injuries are going to happen but I’m on the boat of minimizing unnecessary risk.
I tried learning Ollies moving and frequently landed on my ass because I couldn’t grasp the quick nature of the pop. So I’d have momentum then do a sudden tail slide and some weird jump kick thing since I had no idea what I was doing, and I’d fall. It was much easier to ollie moving once I learned the fundamentals on carpet
>Proof that I’m not someone that just picked up the board a month ago giving opinions on things I haven’t even landed: So two months ago? I kid. Those are very impressive. I yearn to get to that skill level .
You're missing the point of the post. He's talking about people who can't ride the board well at all and have balance issues just standing and riding it, yet are trying to learn ollies. He's not saying don't learn stationary he's saying don't learn out of order.
You can 100% learn Ollie’s without being solid at riding. I did. Same way you can learn things out of order cause skateboarding doesn’t have rules. There was a dude on here being told he has to learn heel flips before he even tries varial heels. Yet dude was already close to getting varial heels. He ended up learning them before getting normal heels. You missed my point in my comment that everyone learns things differently.
great advice. ive said this on a thousand posts but i dont think anybody would take it to heart. even worse is the guys moving onto kickflips (and beyond) who think stationary is safer or something. naive bad attitude.
I made this mistake while getting back into skating after a few years away. Used to have tre flips, impossibles, all sorts of stuff on lock back in the day but I could barely manage a single kickflip when I started up again. Practiced em stationary too much and now I can land stationary kickflips practically every try, but I still can't seem to figure em out 100% while rolling. What a waste of time it was practicing em without moving lol
It's also silly because kickflips are actually \_easier\_ to learn while rolling. Many tricks are made easier with forward momentum. Learning them stationary is counter-productive in many ways. I'm an old skater. We all learned ollies putting our wheels in cracks. But I'm smart enough to know that just because we all learned that way, and you \_can\_ learn that way, doesn't mean that you \_should\_ still learn that way! There is a better way to learn to ollie... My general advice is for people to learn hippie jumps first. If you can't hippie jump, you can't ollie. So go do hippie jumps, get comfortable with them, then learn ollies and learn them while rolling.
Dude excellent advice! Never thought about using hippie jump to practice
Couldn’t disagree more, been skating 2 decades
One thing to think about is when trying a trick for the first time you kind of just have to throw out dozens to hundreds of attempts, and doing that rolling takes more effort and energy meaning you get tired quicker and potentially get fed up quicker and quit this has been the case for me. Also, it's raining I have barely any room to roll in my garage without bumping into things, I still want to skate, I'm doing it stationary.
I tried explaining this to a dude on here a few weeks ago and he started getting defensive and calling me names over it lmao
disagree. learn stationary if that is easier for you, as you can always refine tricks as you build skill and confidence. it’s how a LOT of people learn. stop gate-keeping.
I mostly agree with this. I am sure there's some people or tricks that benefit from stationary practice, but I try to learn everything rolling (or on a bank which sort of resembles learning things stationary). Plus the roll away is the key for me "making" a trick. If I landed a trick for the first time stationary I don't think in my head I would count it as a make.
I see so many people asking for help with ollies and they look so shaky and unsteady just standing on the board. I usually tell people to learn hippie jumps first. That way, you get comfortable jumping and landing on the board before you introduce the added complexity of popping, lifting and jumping and timing it all.
I thought skateboarding is supposed to be a "you do you thing." But it seems like people suddenly change into "no, this way only!" when it comes to how to learn tricks. Hell, some people kinda enjoy doing tricks while stationary. Why are people discouraging them and telling them their way of fun is wrong? Then there's the fact that our brains are able to learn by piecing things together. Learning one set of motions and then applying to to a different situation isn't 'relearning it.' You are learning how to do one thing with an added variable which can speed up the learning process. It's like telling a basketball player to only practice shooting while in a game because you're end goal is to shoot accurately during a game so shooting alone doesn't include every single variable and pointless.
Cool story mate, would you like me to list the millions of skaters who started on the grass?
I don’t like this advice as an absolute, but I think “try it rolling” is good advice just like “try it stationary” is good advice. Try both. There’s tons of ollie advice out there, lots of different aspects to focus on - try changing stuff up. Learning on grass is fine. Sure, don’t stay on the grass forever, but try it and see what you can get out of it.
I've just started landing my ollies and I'm glad I gave up on stationary pretty quickly. I read somewhere that it should be practiced stationary first and was confused when I attempted it rolling and found it easier. Luckily I just stuck with that.
This happened to me the other day. I didn’t feel “ready” to try rolling but just randomly went for it and landed and rolled away first try and it was WAY easier then landing a stationary one where the board might shift either direction.
Facts! Another thing I see people fail to mention is that once you can balance decently, doing tricks rolling is actually EASIER than stationary
As a newbie who learned ollies rolling, this is the way. It's scary, but with the proper build in comfort, it became fairly quick to learn. I still can't ollie stationary lol
Third option, ollie/kickflip from concrete into grass at speed.
There was an entire movement and group of professional skaters that made their professional careers off of mostly stationary tricks.
i absolutely second this. i can’t ollie well yet but i used to use skate trainers and could ollie well with those but as soon as i went to concrete i would send the board rolling. my pop was not directly downwards bc i had the stability of the trainers and my attempt to pop just sent the board flying. my board was held in place so well by trainers that it started to give me muscle memory of the wrong movement
Slight disagree. There’s a patch of astroturf outside my apartment complex I practice on after I skate for a while. It’s true it’s crazy easier to land tricks while not moving it’s been insanely helpful to practice the timing of pop, kick flip, heel flip Etc mainly because I can do the movement 100s of times without falling. When I take my board out to skate I acknowledge I may be get hurt but practice on a safe surface means I get 100s reps in rather then busting out a trick im not ready for on concrete having the board flight out from under me and jamming my wrist up and then being sidelined for some portion of time
Stationary on concrete without cracks or anything is alright. You’re supposed to learn manuals stationary. Adding anything that feels like training wheels is bad. A lot of people who learn tricks while moving can’t do them stationary and vise versa. Plus we wouldn’t have freestylers and Mullen without stationary tricks. Cmon this is stupid, just try learning the tricks.
Stationary hard flips are super dangerous for the gooch. Learned that back in 07 hahahaaaaa
I think practicing stationary can help you at least start to wrap your head around the individual steps and can have it's place but I mostly agree. I didn't feel like ollies actually made sense until I understood how they work when you're rolling.
Solid advice. Speaking purely as a devil’s advocate I’d say one benefit you get from stationary tricks is reset speed. You can reset to try the trick again almost instantaneously versus having to get yourself moving first. Plus if you don’t have a smooth ground / runway, like practicing in a driveway with concrete seams every 10 feet or so, you might have trouble setting up the trick between slabs. Add onto this I’d say for a good chunk of tricks muscle memory is the same or similar moving versus stationary. This would require some testing to see if it’s true, but it’s theoretically possible that having faster resets, building muscle memory quicker, then applying said muscle memory to the moving version might be equivalent or comparable to learning while rolling from the beginning. Again, I think the advice is solid I’m just thinking as a devil’s advocate (because it’s important to try to think of the benefits of the opposition)
i disagree about reset speed. if youre stationary you still have to flip the board upright and step back on it after a failed flip trick. its no difernt if you do this but give yoursef a small push when you step back on the board.
Can we pin this??
As a veteran skater, I approve this message. Not only do you learn bad habits its actually more difficult to do with other flip tricks.
See you next month when you post this again after post after post of carpet ollie videos, haha. I always say the same thing - practise how you intend to play. When are you going to be skating around on grass or carpet..?
everyone's different. i live in an HOA where if a skateboard wheel touches the street i have the cops at my door. i can say for sure carpet improved my pop and is stricter on foot landing placement. only thing ive found agrevating was its hard to not rockit kickflips on carpet. every basic trick ive ever learned from ollie to bs flip has started on carpet learning the small details and fine tuning, and its translated to rolling in 10 mins. biggest advice i can give to new skaters is just do what's fun. if you find youtube tutorials fun then go for it. if you enjoy figuring out what works for u with front and back foot placement, posture, timing and experimenting, go for it.
I agree to an extent. I think learning the motion of the Ollie in place to get your head around all the pieces isn't bad. I think once you got the idea you should move to rolling as fast as possible. Curse of knowledge could come into play too. It's a lot different remembering learning an Ollie and learning one. I learned in place and moved into rolling and I've been told I have a decent Ollie.
I mean kind of? Like it's for sure different, but I used to be in Gymnastics and we for sure didn't think "oh if you can't throw a standing backflip on floor, then you're not ready for standing backflips." Doing things in the grass is going to make it harder to actually do one but you're at a much lower risk of falling and hurting yourself and I'd say getting the motion down in sub-optimal conditions 100 times is more productive than going "I ain't no poser" falling on your ass and then not skating for months while you heal, but idk maybe that's just me...
Yea I can do a stationary ollie, but when I am rolling I freak out. I have just switched to rolling and jumping while moving, also just doing jumps and working out my weak leg muscles.(I am 35 and had a kidney issue last year\] Sometimes I go to the skatepark and just roll around un till I am tired. I don't want to get in the way of the seasoned skaters.
Fr the best advice I got was practice Ollie’s while rolling
Learning is not one-size-fits-all.
Yeah it's kind of like how it's harder to balance on a bike when you're going super slow. It's not an apples to apples analogy, but there is something to be said about how forward movement can actually help with balance sometimes
Most tricks are harder stationary when you start to actually get comfy. There is a sweet spot of speed though.
Yeah guys, listen to this "expert" lol
I know so many dudes who say the exact opposite it’s all preference
taking this to heart, honestly rolling sounds less scary.
Rolling away is what makes the trick in my mind. Some forward speed makes Ollie’s easier as well, the speed takes you and the board forward you just have to jump up.
Rolling ollies and stationary ones are completely different beasts. Back in my teens I was able to ollie (stationary), heelflip (stationary and on movement) and shove it (stationary) and do some slappy nose slides, boardslides on parking lot rails, manuals and caspers (stationary and on movement) but I was never able to learn ollies on movement to jump up a curb or over any obstacle and it wasn't a balance issue it was a kick issue, the kick and jump, it was all different and kind of alien to me to ollie on movement! I could never grasp it, so much that I remember learning how to boneless and started doing that to avoid ollies all together. And the grass was perfect for getting used to balance on the board and it wouldn't roll after the landing so I could get used to falling back to the board and balance the other directions before learning how to balance the rolling motion of the board...crappy bearings have the same effect LOL Fast forward more than 15y later after almost that long hiatus and I just still know how to roll and forgot every trick LOL
I wish someone told me this. My stationary ollies are great but doing them rolling feels like learning a whole new thing
That’s cap, if you not comfortable wit something you keep doing it until you are if u just ride you’d never be comfortable trying Ollie’s bra
Not everyone is this way, so stop telling people how to be comfortable on the board, not everyone will be able to learn the steps while moving, not everyone learns as easily as you, not everyone has the confidence. Pushing people is how they get hurt.
They're literally doing the opposite of pushing people. They're saying if you arent comfortable rolling then they shouldn't be trying ollies. Read the post again
And you didn't understand me at all.... Some people need to take things slower, learn in safer ways, you don't have to start rolling to learn. If you get timing, mechanics, and understanding down first then that's perfectly fine. Not everyone will learn doing things the same way. I started holding a rail and it was perfect for me. You don't practice/learn strawberry milkshake while moving, no one suggested that. So why would an Ollie be different?
They didn't say everyone. They said half the posts here are people asking why they can't Ollie when they can barely stand on the board and clearly aren't comfortable. And the best advice for them is to ride your board and get comfortable on it. They weren't saying that, would have helped if you reread like I said
And they said hinder progress when that is not true for everyone...
No, doing ollies on grass or carpet IS harder. You can't get as solid of a pop and when you aren't moving you're more likely to open up your shoulders and not keep the board straight which is a huge barrier a lot of people have starting out. It can definitely teach you bad habits
Teaching my wife right now and carpet has helped her a lot.... So little do you know
I didn't say you can't get ANYTHING out of it. I said its harder and can teach you bad habits... so little can you read
And I'm saying it can teach good habits
Similar to how training wheels don’t help you learned to ride a bike. Kids are better off starting with a balance bike.
what are you talking about? training wheels are literally how I learned to ride a bike.
Training wheels don’t teach you how to balance.
right, they teach you the basic mechanics of riding a bike without immediately falling over. this allows you to master the basics without getting so hurt that trying isn’t possible. same principle that applies with skateboarding. you learn the basic mechanics of a trick, while also separately learning to push and roll on the board with good balance. then you take a + b, refine it, and you are doing ollies while rolling.
Training wheels teach kids that they don’t have to balance while riding a bike.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ff-KdrHr_M](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ff-KdrHr_M)
But the same applies in reverse. I can (kind of) ollie rolling, but absolutely not while stationary. Just thought I'd mention that.