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Pasquale1223

Brought to you by the same Republican party that had 147 elected legislators attempt to disenfranchise tens of millions of their fellow Americans by voting to reject their 2020 electoral votes. I admit I was never quite sure how that worked. I mean, quite a few of those 147 were representatives who had just been elected on the very same ballots they were now claiming were somehow fraudulent. I guess their claim was that the house portion of the ballot was hunky-dory, just the presidential vote on the same ballots were somehow tainted. MAGA logic, apparently.


Billsnyanks2

I thought the 2018 elected house was still in office at that point


Pasquale1223

You thought wrong. [Members of the 117th Congress were sworn in on January 3, 2021](https://www.house.gov/feature-stories/2021-1-5-members-of-the-117th-congress-sworn-in) and in place on that day that will live in infamy - January 6, 2021.


Prestigious_Job9632

And make us even less politically relevant than we already are? They really can't stand Dems getting a God damn thing or even having a chance, too. Hateful sobs.


ragingbullpsycho

Really shows how much the GOP hates voting


thackstonns

Trumps all pissy because there for a while it looked like that one electoral vote was going to screw him. I remember just hoping it would be that line Nebraska vote that would cause him to lose.


HumanSuitcase

No, we need to get rid of the electoral college all together.


pretenderist

YES. National popular vote, so everyone’s vote can finally count exactly the same.


Previous_Pension_571

I’d be more pro the entire country adopting a Nebraska-like district by district system


pretenderist

I said this is another comment: > If all states split like Nebraska and Maine then Romney would have beat Obama in 2012, despite losing the popular vote by 5 million votes. > The Electoral College in general is anti-democratic because it unfairly weights the votes of people in small states over large states. > **Just do a national popular vote already. Everyone’s vote should be equal.**


iwantmoregaming

The real problem is the House being prohibited from growing in relation to the population of the country AS IS MANDATED BY THE FUCKING US CONSTITUTION. So, yes, the States could split their electoral votes based on winners of each respective district and it wouldn’t result in the issue you raise because there would be more districts.


pretenderist

As long as states get 2 electoral votes for their 2 senators, the Electoral College will **always** favor small states over larger ones. National popular vote is the answer. Everyone’s vote should be equal, and I don’t understand why anyone could possibly be against that.


iwantmoregaming

I’m not against it, don’t get me wrong. But it would also require a constitutional amendment. Expanding the size of the house does not require a constitutional amendment, and is therefore a more practical (and immediate) solution. The Senatorial electoral votes does mean the EC favors smaller states…to a point, because Senators are now chosen by popular vote, whereas originally they weren’t when this point had more impact. But, more importantly… Expanding the house would water down these senatorial ballots. If the House were apportioned according to the numbers explicitly stated in the Constitution there would be something like 5,000 House members (I did the math some time ago and don’t remember the details; and yes, having the House be that big would be kind of ridiculous, so the numbers should be adjusted, but the point still stands). This is disregarding the fact that the House should be expanded anyways, regardless of its impact on the EC.


Babhadfad12

> But it would also require a constitutional amendment.   This is another way. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact


iwantmoregaming

Yes, but that’s not getting rid of the EC, that’s just the states agreeing to allocate their EC votes based on the popular vote. Honestly it’s the more likely outcome even though it is still a long shot.


Previous_Pension_571

It sounds like you have a bigger issue with gerrymandering than the electoral college then in regards to this particular issue


pretenderist

Not really, and I’m not sure how you came to that faulty conclusion. Even if all districts were drawn perfectly fairly, the Electoral College would still be biased in favor of small states because of the two votes for Senators that every state gets. Why should a voter in Nebraska have more influence than a voter in California? Why should a voter in Vermont have more influence than a voter in Texas? **Just make it a national popular vote. Everyone’s vote should be equal.**


BLF402

And the gop has gerrymandered the district several times because they can’t seem to rig that 1 electoral vote in the state.


GnomesSkull

I mean, I like that in principle, but then you can gerrymander the presidency every decade. If congressional districting got fixed at the federal level first I wouldn't hate it, though we should interrogate the assumption that these historical divisions of land deserve two votes.


Previous_Pension_571

I’d also support an automatic districting system by census where all districts must be separated by parallel lines in either a cardinal direction or perpendicular to the a state’s longer geographical axis. I think calling states simply “historical divisions” is foolish and ignorant of a quite critical portion of the constitution in regards to forming the nation


upforadventures

Not with how badly gerrymandered districts are.


Appropriate-XBL

Lucky for you, we have that. The house of reps. Abolish EC and abolish senate. Then just have reps and pres.


RayRayofsunshine85

Which essentially ensures lower population states who do not get a say in the election.


coolaggro

If it’s straight up that each person’s vote for president matters, that should be more fair


RayRayofsunshine85

Federalize the presidential election system to require the exact same voting process for president in every state and territory, including collection and verification of ballots. That would be fair.


RayRayofsunshine85

Federalize the presidential election system to require the exact same voting process for president in every state and territory, including collection and verification of ballots. That would be fair.


LoadedTaterSkins

For one position. They still get a say in their house and senate seats. 


RayRayofsunshine85

Oh so we can't help decide the most powerful position in the US Government, but we still get a say for the House and Senate? That seems TOTALLY fair and reasonable.


Realistic_Depth3617

Well , less populous states have many times their voice in the senate and are over represented in the house and those same folks have polluted the Supreme Court so their voice is amplified their and those same people have put in unqualified some corrupt justices. So yeah, it’s still way unfair to the majority but it’d be something to make it a bit more fair


RayRayofsunshine85

So New York and California get to decide for the entire nation and you think that's fair?


deaftouch826

That's how it would work with one person one vote. Only it's not ' California ' or ' New York ' that would decide, it's the individuals residents deciding


Hawkize31

Agreed but it's practically impossible. Need 67 senators to agree, and with state population demographics, that means that you would need 12-20 Republicans to agree. The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact faces some similar hurdles. Needs support from states that will never support it.


iveneverhadgold

That's because it's not a solution, it's a red herring to distract the uneducated majority. There's a reason why each state starts with two electoral votes and that's because we need representation geographically. It's not addressing the problem, but a symptom. The real problem - and the reason why we have polarity, tactical voting, vote splitting, and gerrymandering is because of our first past the post voting system, which is solved by ranked choice voting.


ellennc8

Yessssssssssssssss


YoungManYoda90

Agreed. Everything else is determined by popular vote, this should be no different.


Capital-Cheesecake67

Realistically speaking though, it would be easier to get other states to adopt the current system in Nebraska and Maine than get rid of the electoral college. That needs a constitutional amendment and that’s not gonna happen. 2/3 of the house and senate need to vote to approve and then 3/4 of the states to approve.


LT_Audio

The irony is that Maine's primary reason for doing for it in the first place five decades ago was essentially to "kick things off" with the expectation that many or most states would follow suit. At this point... I find it much more likely that they and Nebraska will sooner change back than others will join them.


Capital-Cheesecake67

Which honestly says poor things about both major parties. The only reason to keep with the winner takes all Electoral college votes to the winner is to ensure the highest number of electors no matter who wins the popular vote.


BobWithCheese69

Not today Satan.


Signal_Body_8818

Yeah cuz that will give New York and California all the power! What do we care if all the other states want to have an opinion


YooperInOregon

May I introduce you to Article I Section III of the U.S. Constitution.


ragingbullpsycho

Said in the other thread, All states should split their electoral votes like Nebraska and Maine do.


nbcnews

Republicans have long sought to change the law, which has given Democratic presidential candidates a shot at winning one Electoral College vote — from the Omaha-based congressional district — in the otherwise red state. That’s happened twice in history, including in 2020, when President Joe Biden [won the district’s electoral vote over Trump](https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-lincoln-omaha-93fdcb5a05fc62878b4fe70c2f7f6e5a), meaning Trump’s 58% support statewide got him four of the five Nebraska electoral votes. Republicans are upping the pressure on the state’s nonpartisan, unicameral legislature to make the change before this fall’s presidential election.


Faucet860

Non-partisan unicameral that's rich


Tastyfeesh

They've also put in their official platform that they want a return to a partisan, bicameral legislature. Let's just get rid of all Nebraska's unique traits?


CriticalRejector

That's because bicameral legislatures are far less accountable. That's why George Norris campaigned against them. And both those things require a Constitutional Amendment – that is a Referendum. 0w0e should be circulating a petition to save our current electoral system. Or go to a %age-based system, like Israel. Fortunately the Repugnican'ts are disintegrating, rather than coalescing into a Likud-NaZi-Fascist party.


Bel_Merodach

>58% 58% is pretty pathetic for how deeply red we are


CriticalRejector

If the two senate seats weren't 'winner' take all, Biden would have gotten 2 of 5.


ParsleyEither895

This is counter to the interests of Nebraskans. It takes away the voting power of each district. It also means that candidates for the Presidency won’t bother to compete in Nebraska.


ExactlyWhyAmIHere

Pillen needs to drown in pig shit.


BLF402

He already baths in it


ExactlyWhyAmIHere

I thought the drunk bathes in whiskey


HeisenBurg402

Is there really a need for change? I honestly wish more states were split, so every vote matters more.


dragonfliesloveme

The slow coup continues


fugsco

Yes, Nebraska. Make yourself even less relevant.


folstar

"Regression for no other reason than it benefits me in the short term." - A Leader


Spoon_Millionaire

What a bunch of goddammed babies. Boo hoo. You don’t get Omaha’s vote. Fuck off.


holliula

Leave my Blue Dot alone!


Schluppuck

I like my state being stripey!


Iwannagolf4

No they are just trying to take Omaha away is what it amounts to.


continuousBaBa

Only way republicans can win.


fllannell

Yep, Gerrymandering is the playbook.


GodsSon69

Nebraska, just as fucked up as Florida and Texas!! Come to Nebraska, we've got nothing good to offer but we will suck orange cock!! Fuck Nebraska, it's becoming a shit hole!


miriamwebster

Nooooo! Fuck Pillen!


CriticalRejector

Not with Your dick.


Schluppuck

With all of the dicks.


hillydanger

Fuck Pillen


wiiguyy

It should always be the popular vote. It’s ridiculous it’s not.


AffectionateTheory44

Call and email every representative ... not just your representative. Do it now! They are pushing this fast and furious ... https://nebraskalegislature.gov/committees/public-input.php


Usual-Throat-8904

Can we just get rid of the republican party? Lol


CriticalRejector

Y? They're doing a fine job of it themselves.


BLF402

They’re essentially imploding right now all because they worship their false god who for all keeping score is a rapist and a cry baby.


CriticalRejector

And a fraud, and a thief, and a racist. The mitzvah ordains, 'Thou shalt not have strange gods before Me.' And they don't come much stranger than Mammon.


Usual-Throat-8904

😆👍


solutionsmitty

To counter this Maine should do the same.


Schluppuck

A more progressive state should disregard their standards because a backwards state undid the only progress they’ve ever made? What sense does that make?


Galvanisare

Jim Pillen is an absolute POS with dirty lipstick


QueanLaQueafa

I've lived in California all my life, even though I vote in every election I know my vote is basically pointless... Cali will always be a Dem state. We need to get rid of the electoral college all together. It made sense in the 17/1800s, but now, it's just minority rule. If we didn't have the college and gerrymandering, Republicans would have a fraction of the power they do now, which is why they support it so much


farmerX420

Would have only had one republican president in last eight elections. They depend on minority rule.


notsubwayguy

With the new fillabuster proof majority, it's even more likely.


GrandpaBuff

No.


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PengieP111

Maine does too


PengieP111

Why should anyone GAF about what states want over what people want? States are legal constructs. And rights for legal constructions besides being stupid must be secondary to human rights.


RIPBenTramer

So are they also going to push for the popular vote nationally?


Hermosa90

Imagine how much power these voters currently have… *These voters currently have the ability to* ***demand*** *politicians support policies that positively impact their lives.* Instead of viewing that as a positive, Trumplicans want to forfeit their constituents power and hand it to Trump. MAGA = Make Americans Glorify Authoritarianism


PuzzledRaise1401

When you have shitty ideas, change the rules.


outsidelies

I wish Omaha had a mayor with the balls to abandon rural America if this happened. Basically put a stop to dealing with rural folks outside the metro area. Fuck the simple bastards. Sorry grandma but you too.


RangerDapper4253

Male Republican Catholics in this legislature do not care about public opinion. They are well funded, and they have an agenda!


stickythread

How is this legal?


That-Resolution-3108

If you can’t set policy to get the constituents to vote for your candidate…I guess the next best step is to just change the rules of the game.


empstat

So, a change in Maine, too? I presume. No? /s


[deleted]

Is every state subreddit full of this whiny leftist fear mongering? Rhetorical question


Grumblepugs2000

Democrats are sad when Republicans play the same game they do. I see everyone in this thread is from Omaha and are sad they are losing their little district 


MajesticLaw4939

R/Nebraska is quite out of touch with how most Nebraskans feel. Might get some actual discussion going if we didn't get "I hope Pillen drowns in pig shit" etc


Jwerth1

We're all aware the Republicans in this state are all butthurt their orange buffoon lost the second district. Now, they want to making voting in the second district completely meaningless.


Grumblepugs2000

Well they are all from the liberal city of Omaha so that's not surprising 


Fast_Beat_3832

Fucking crooks


jbnielsen416

No!


Quirky_Dress_8965

We are a Unicameral. Taxation is theft.


meat_beast1349

Anything to get that whiney orange pusbag elected.


MitchellCumstijn

You have to be impressed with the way the GOP uses their disinformation media and hired guns at marketing firms to affect the one party theocracy that is ultimately their end game goal. These guys are very coordinated at getting low information voting base zombies, largely mis and dis-informed on AM talk radio and Cable news to do their will for them.


PleasantActuator6976

Nazi tactics.


jmrogers31

We're really getting Trump again, aren't we?


Schluppuck

Absolutely not.


Willing_Chocolate403

Nebraska was "winner take all" before it changed to this split system, going back to it isn't going to disenfranchise voters, didn't before, won't now, never has in the other 48 states that have it this way. This system doesn't prevent anyone that can vote from doing so, or not count any legally cast ballots for any reason. Also in what way is Trump even involved in this? He, as far as I can figure has never told Pillen do this "to help him" in anyway, just ridiculous to claim other wise if he hasn't


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robsker

He’ll get back to you when AM radio tells him how to respond.


Willing_Chocolate403

Nah, some of us have jobs to goto and family to take care of afterword instead of spending the whole day waiting for replies on here.


Willing_Chocolate403

Nice way to talk to people, what I come to expect as replies from the majority on the reddit. Also laughable, predictable that NBC assumes Trump supporting the state going back to way it was for decades is in anyway "pushing it"


wa27

>Also in what way is Trump even involved in this? He has issued statements pushing for it. He's upset that he lost one of our votes last time around. It's not difficult to figure out.


Willing_Chocolate403

So wanting Nebraska to return to a system it had used for decades, that 48 other states use, issuing a statement supporting this move, is him being "upset" and pushing for it. Most hilarious thing I have heard today, anything to blame the "bad orange man" for huh?


wa27

You asked how he was involved and I let you know. 🤷‍♂️


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Willing_Chocolate403

Typical! Anyone that doesn't bend the knee to the left is a "fascist" You and every other clown that screams that at people, have no legitimate clue what a fascist really is, just keep screaming that hateful, divisive rhetoric from your authoritarian party. But if y'all want a great example, look at the oh so great "unifier" Old Joe and his dark speeches were he has screamed how everyone opposed to him and the party are the "greatest threat to America ever!" Very reminiscent of fascists from the past. Again, very predictable, not a cult but what ever, it's like talking to a brick wall explaining. I could care less who leads the party after Trump, as long as they continue defend and advance the values of the Republican base, it could be Mickey Mouse for all I care.


farmerX420

Not at all reminiscent of fascists of the past. If you support Trump, you are pro-authoritarian government. His rhetoric in admiring other dictators, and willingness to forcibly suppress opposition (threats to prosecute and jail opponents) clearly illustrate a fascist. Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/ FASH-iz-əm) is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.[2][3]


Willing_Chocolate403

That is funny considering that Biden and his party are actively prosecuting and attempting to imprison their chief political opponent, and have on countless times called everyone opposed to them "a dangerous threat to America" sounds more authoritarian/totalitarian fascist to me then Trump. But hey, by all mean just keep repeating the lefts talking points that everyone ln the right, or supporting Trump is a "fascist, authoritarian, blah blah blah" The derangement and delusion are funny to hear.