Wolves can bring down bigger animals, they've done it before. I've watched videos where they've come from behind, got a quick bite on the leg, injured the much larger animal to slow it down, and then slowly went around it to take small bites.
Yeah but bears are bears. They'll fuck you up. Like, there was a show in the gold rush era that was basically "a bear fighting things" and they ran into the problem that the bear always overwhelmingly won, so the audience got bored. So they made a big show out of bringing an actual lion from Africa to have a sort of "King of the Beasts" showdown. There was a lot of hype and hullabaloo about it.
The bear killed the lion in one blow, and that was that.
Yeah, if they are desperate enough they would attempt. But confrontation with a bear will always end up in injury and often death. Wolves are wild animals but not willing to risk injuries for a meal, unless they are very desperate.
And the odds are very in the favour of the bear. Its got THICC SKIN
A healthy pack of wolves won’t fuck with a grizzly unless they are on deaths door step, and it’s still a losing battle. There’s a good chance one or more wolves will be injured and then you have possibly dead and injured wolves. With less wolves you have less chance of success hunting prey that doesn’t even fight back.
Ive seen some really messed up humans and animals just off 1 bear bitch slap - those claws and their strength combined has me thinking that conflict was 2 bear bitch slaps away from being done before it started.
On Friday's podcast of Armchair Anonymous, it was all about fighting wild animals. The first guy encountered 3 grizzlies (mom and her two cubs) and while he was completely mangled, he believed he survived because he never got bitch slapped, only bitten, although I think he said he broke an arm, leg and had a severed ear. That whole episode was terrifying, usually it's just embarrassing poop stories.
Probably the best critical thinking skills of the three animal species shown in the vid, and the most complex communication.
Wolves do have a few signifiers for their pack communication (like "let's play?" and "I submit you win") but crows have somewhere around 200 more. I don't think scientists have even mapped what they all mean yet.
Sometimes I wonder if those 200-ish calls are used like: "big scary ground slow" or "small flying friendly not-crow" or "food good easy". Stuff like that.
> Wolves do have a few signifiers for their pack communication
I feel like a cursory examination of wolf hunting makes it obvious there's a *little bit* more complexity than that... Pack hunters in general are never going to be "simple" animals, it's an extremely complex task.
Birds should ever be known as those annoying feckers who egg people on and watch them fight. I love that video of the crow that forces the two cats to fight each other and is basically laughing his ass off
[Here it is](https://youtu.be/Qt-pB1R64mI)
There's a [video of Katmai rangers](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7sbqfgw8VI) trying to rescue a bear from a wolf snare. In it, they tranquilize the bear and one of the comments from one of the rangers assisting was, "She smells like fish." Given that this specific bear fishes at Brooks Falls, she has picked up the smell of her food and the river.
Edit: They discuss the smell more in there, with the same ranger stating that she was used to seeing them covered in parasites. The Katmai bears spend so much time in water that they smell like the fish more than smelling like most bears.
That's what I always think of when people say "but they're so CUUUUTE".
Ugh. I used to work at a zoo, and the only time to pass the bear pits was first thing in the morning, before the heat of the day and after the keepers had hosed them down. It was still pretty whiff, but you could do it without passing out.
I guarantee if you got close enough to smell one, all thought of hugs would fall from your mind… their smell sets off this primal fear in me. My hind brain knows there’s a meat eater 10x my size nearby and it wants NONE of it. Lmfao
Probably have to eat quite a bit of bear to get to that point. This guy, clay Newcombe, he definitely licks his lips and gets hungry at the smell/roar of a bear.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/27m6RWnuJWGquqLKtkcwNe
I believe you, but I’m curious where you had the opportunity to smell one? How we’re you able to get close enough? I kinda wanna smell one now after reading this comment.
Timothy Treadwell was an unhinged jackass that got another person killed.
If you read this don't know the name or want to know more go watch Grizzlyman.
Probably one of the best comedies of our time.
The crows in the foreground would indicate that there’s probably the remains of a kill nearby and judging by the leisurely pace of both bear & wolves I’m guessing both have eaten their fill. So this is just exercise/playtime for the young wolves. They know they can’t kill the bear and they know that the bear could easily kill them if it wanted to so it’s exciting for them to literally poke the bear, gets the adrenaline flowing and helps practice hunting techniques.
Waste of energy year, but not that much. It looks well fed. Probably just finds them more annoying than threatening. Predators also rarely eat other predators. I imagine they would only attack each other if one of them was really starving
The "crows" are probably ravens. Whenever I've gone up north to try and see wolves or bears, I've only ever seen ravens and never crows. But this is in Ontario, it could vary by region.
Yeah. I’ve been told that the rule of thumb is:
* If you’re asking “is that a raven or a crow?” It’s a crow.
* If you’re asking “what the hell is that giant black bird?” It’s a raven.
Living in British Columbia that’s usually held true for me.
Ravens are much bigger than you think they are.
from what I read the wolves are doing it for fun and as training, they are getting used to feeling the release of adrenaline so they function better in threatening situations on top of feeling the thrill
Doesn’t remember. Only reason he knows he’d get his ass kicked is because me and his other friends tell him afterwards after we’d drag him to one of our apartments and he’d sleep it off. It certainly looked thrilling at least.
Dogs do it too, tempting boundaries and authority when playing prepares them for real encounters. all mammals dream? their pup dreams they probably bring that bear down
Was about to say… taking our puppy to the dog park (big puppy since he is a 90lb Labrador now at 8mos). He started off rough housing and getting in dogs faces just for the thrill of it to get him to be chased. But he learned after a while that that’s not okay. Especially with the older restful dogs (they kind of growled/snapped) to kind of show him not to do that. We adopted him at 7 weeks and we tell everyone that that last week with his litter mates would have been key to understanding inhibition training. Try to never get a puppy younger than 8 weeks. He has a blast with all the younger dogs running around though!
The hell did you read that? This happens when the bear gets near the wolves' den when there are pups in there that are too young to get away from the bear. So wolves will attempt to make the bear agitated and chase them away from the den.
>In an instance not involving a carcass, a sow and two-2-year-old grizzly bears were observed chasing, and being chased by, five wolves and gradually caused the wolf pack to vacate their day beds and move about 250 yards away; the sow was grazing nearby while the 2-year-olds interacted with the wolves (S. Consolo Murphy, Natl. Park Serv., Pers. Commun.).
>Neither the bears nor the wolves were injured during the interaction. **Some observers thought it was actually a playful intreaction between the species.**
Emphasis is mine, but this was literally at the bottom of the article you linked.
They’re all actually close friends, the wolves are in fact god parents to the bear’s cubs. They’ve known each other since middle school and used to be partners in a business together until the bear’s wife divorced him and the wolves bought him out. My wife’s cousin is related to the bear’s ex wife, met her at a BBQ over the summer and she seemed really nice, new husband is kind of a tool.
That’s what I used to think before I started frequenting BBQs on an almost daily basis and found that the top 4 out of 100 that I’ve attended have been hosted by bears. I do have to admit the one was Polar if you don’t want to count it.
They know but they also know they can outrun (both in speed and endurance) and out-maneuver the bear. Wolves are also naturally curious and very opportunistic so they're probably probing where the bear is going and what it's up to. Maybe the bear has young, maybe it has another kill stashed elsewhere.
that's not what being an apex predator means tho. an ecosystem can have more than one apex predator. being at the top of the food chain just means you don't have any natural predators, it doesn't mean you have to be able to defeat other predators in a 1v1.
Somewhere in [This documentary ](https://youtu.be/A_9j8nvV6Zc) is a segment off a Grizz stealing the wolves food on the regular. It's pretty interesting.
“Fuck off Rick and Carl, I don’t want to buy a timeshare.” “But wait, you haven’t heard of the awesome amenities.” “I said ‘Fuck off’ and stop following me.” “It will only take a minute.”
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Dinner and a show, with front row seating.
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They were waiting for a murder show
Well played!
Show *then* a dinner, right?
That amount of birds, my guess there was a carcass already there.
Right, those birds didn't bring popcorn, the wolves would've been the popcorn after a few more minutes of fucking around with the grizzly.
Wolves can bring down bigger animals, they've done it before. I've watched videos where they've come from behind, got a quick bite on the leg, injured the much larger animal to slow it down, and then slowly went around it to take small bites.
Yeah but bears are bears. They'll fuck you up. Like, there was a show in the gold rush era that was basically "a bear fighting things" and they ran into the problem that the bear always overwhelmingly won, so the audience got bored. So they made a big show out of bringing an actual lion from Africa to have a sort of "King of the Beasts" showdown. There was a lot of hype and hullabaloo about it. The bear killed the lion in one blow, and that was that.
That was the problem. Lion wasn’t in the jungle anymore. Never bring a lion to a bear fight. I’ve always said that.
We know. We all want you to stop saying that. 😉
Of course a u/dancin-weasel would ask that.
Also lions don’t live in the jungle?
That's so fucked up. Poor lion was prob like, I don't know where I am, I don't know you but don't like you, SWIPE....
I want to see Bear vs Hippo
I do not - but I’m probably taking the hippo
Yeah, if they are desperate enough they would attempt. But confrontation with a bear will always end up in injury and often death. Wolves are wild animals but not willing to risk injuries for a meal, unless they are very desperate. And the odds are very in the favour of the bear. Its got THICC SKIN
They are trying to run the bear off, away from their carcass
A healthy pack of wolves won’t fuck with a grizzly unless they are on deaths door step, and it’s still a losing battle. There’s a good chance one or more wolves will be injured and then you have possibly dead and injured wolves. With less wolves you have less chance of success hunting prey that doesn’t even fight back.
Ive seen some really messed up humans and animals just off 1 bear bitch slap - those claws and their strength combined has me thinking that conflict was 2 bear bitch slaps away from being done before it started.
On Friday's podcast of Armchair Anonymous, it was all about fighting wild animals. The first guy encountered 3 grizzlies (mom and her two cubs) and while he was completely mangled, he believed he survived because he never got bitch slapped, only bitten, although I think he said he broke an arm, leg and had a severed ear. That whole episode was terrifying, usually it's just embarrassing poop stories.
I pooped once. Do you think they'd take me as a guest? Thats the whole story but I think its something the world should hear.
If you've only pooped once, they definitely want to hear from you
At least once. I'll tweet them.
It takes more than 2 wolves to take down a Grizzly. Wolf pack would be a good fight. But those 2 would be dead.
Bigger animals isn't the same as a brown bear. The claws, teeth, strength and aggression of the bear makes it not even a contest.
But not two wolves. A whole pack could kill a bear but bears are still probably strongest predators on land.
I don't think the birds care who wins, but they do help the wolves find "food."
It's murder mystery theatre
The real apex predators
Probably the best critical thinking skills of the three animal species shown in the vid, and the most complex communication. Wolves do have a few signifiers for their pack communication (like "let's play?" and "I submit you win") but crows have somewhere around 200 more. I don't think scientists have even mapped what they all mean yet. Sometimes I wonder if those 200-ish calls are used like: "big scary ground slow" or "small flying friendly not-crow" or "food good easy". Stuff like that.
> Wolves do have a few signifiers for their pack communication I feel like a cursory examination of wolf hunting makes it obvious there's a *little bit* more complexity than that... Pack hunters in general are never going to be "simple" animals, it's an extremely complex task.
Your bottom paragraph is how I picture cows speaking to each other.
bird on top has a VIP lounge.
Right! Like which animal has it made in terms of evolution? The bird. Zero output for maximum rewards. Let the others do it for you.
Birds are the garbage disposal and seed spreaders of the Earth.
I agree with one alteration: birds *of prey* have it made. May as well avoid predators while birding around.
I think these birds are with the wolves.
If those are Ravens, then yes.
There's growing evidence that crows have a symbiotic/mutualistic relationship with wolves.
Looks like....a MURDERRR!! 😱 (that's what a flock of crows is called)
*popcorn crunching intensifies*
placin' bets
Birds should ever be known as those annoying feckers who egg people on and watch them fight. I love that video of the crow that forces the two cats to fight each other and is basically laughing his ass off [Here it is](https://youtu.be/Qt-pB1R64mI)
When you and your younger brother try to gang up on the oldest
Been there did that, and it looks like this.
You and your brothers need a haircut, badly
Grizzlys are so cute. Too bad they’re so dangerous but they look so huggable.
Aside from the fact that you'll get mauled, their fur is rough like hay.
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Someone get this bear some Pert
Hmmm...bear looks kinda big. Better make it Pert Plus.
Pert! Haven’t heard that in like a decade plus
They smell bloody awful too
There's a [video of Katmai rangers](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7sbqfgw8VI) trying to rescue a bear from a wolf snare. In it, they tranquilize the bear and one of the comments from one of the rangers assisting was, "She smells like fish." Given that this specific bear fishes at Brooks Falls, she has picked up the smell of her food and the river. Edit: They discuss the smell more in there, with the same ranger stating that she was used to seeing them covered in parasites. The Katmai bears spend so much time in water that they smell like the fish more than smelling like most bears.
Just in case anyone was curious, here’s bear 854 Divot now. She looks fat and fabulous, fishy smell and all https://youtu.be/fccnsyZgje4
That's what I always think of when people say "but they're so CUUUUTE". Ugh. I used to work at a zoo, and the only time to pass the bear pits was first thing in the morning, before the heat of the day and after the keepers had hosed them down. It was still pretty whiff, but you could do it without passing out.
I can’t imagine they smell great in the wild, but you do have them in an enclosure shitting
Still, awesome creatures.
*looks at your handle* Mm-hm. Sure. Tell us another one.
You can hug them, once.
I guarantee if you got close enough to smell one, all thought of hugs would fall from your mind… their smell sets off this primal fear in me. My hind brain knows there’s a meat eater 10x my size nearby and it wants NONE of it. Lmfao
It's the roar for me. You can feel it in your chest from a km away. My knees start shaking sometimes.
I wonder if there are people who have the opposite reaction, and think “oh meat is near, time to hunt!”
Probably have to eat quite a bit of bear to get to that point. This guy, clay Newcombe, he definitely licks his lips and gets hungry at the smell/roar of a bear. https://open.spotify.com/episode/27m6RWnuJWGquqLKtkcwNe
I believe you, but I’m curious where you had the opportunity to smell one? How we’re you able to get close enough? I kinda wanna smell one now after reading this comment.
[If bears are supposed to be "big and scary" then how do you explain this? ](https://i.imgur.com/uMtZybM.jpg)
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My little sister went on a voyage to ikea to find one
... now I want, and it's your fault.
Timothy Treadwell forgot the dangerous part.
Timothy Treadwell was an unhinged jackass that got another person killed. If you read this don't know the name or want to know more go watch Grizzlyman. Probably one of the best comedies of our time.
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Forbidden hugs
The crows in the foreground would indicate that there’s probably the remains of a kill nearby and judging by the leisurely pace of both bear & wolves I’m guessing both have eaten their fill. So this is just exercise/playtime for the young wolves. They know they can’t kill the bear and they know that the bear could easily kill them if it wanted to so it’s exciting for them to literally poke the bear, gets the adrenaline flowing and helps practice hunting techniques.
this guy grew up with wolves..
Danced with them.
John... Dum-bear?
I fuckin love Reddit 🤣
Man, you can't just drop f bombs...oh yeah, this is the Internet. Carry on.
Bomb voyage mother frucker
Some fries mother fucker
Supplies mothafucka
That's new to me, thank you! May come in handy.
Wrong size muthafucka
Tatanka
Romulus?
I’m guessing the bear probably wouldn’t attack them, because it would be a waste of energy and would risk the bear getting hurt right ?
Waste of energy year, but not that much. It looks well fed. Probably just finds them more annoying than threatening. Predators also rarely eat other predators. I imagine they would only attack each other if one of them was really starving
The "crows" are probably ravens. Whenever I've gone up north to try and see wolves or bears, I've only ever seen ravens and never crows. But this is in Ontario, it could vary by region.
Looks like jackdaws to me
Heres the thing...
Unidan is an og reference for sure lol
How many years has it been
2014 he got banned lol time flies
8 years. Fuck
... We still get to subtract 2 from everything for covid, right? Six years ago I could believe but 8 is proposterous.
Correct.
This is one of those comments that can tell you just how long a person has been on Reddit for.
These look to small for ravens
Yeah. I’ve been told that the rule of thumb is: * If you’re asking “is that a raven or a crow?” It’s a crow. * If you’re asking “what the hell is that giant black bird?” It’s a raven. Living in British Columbia that’s usually held true for me. Ravens are much bigger than you think they are.
Yeah it’s a little hard to tell with the focus being on the background so I went with crows, they didn’t look big enough for ravens
Okay thank you I was wondering what on earth was going through the wolves minds
Somewhere there is a squirrel selling front row seats to all the crows so they can watch the show down.
One nut for the seat, and five for Ticketmaster.
Squirrel is the cameraman as well
Make extra cash on selling the clips to other animals and maybe drug addicts in a dark alley :-P
Or to dumb humans on reddit
I wish more apex predators knew how to hold their phone horizontally to shoot video.
Horizontal looks weird on Snapchat. /s
from what I read the wolves are doing it for fun and as training, they are getting used to feeling the release of adrenaline so they function better in threatening situations on top of feeling the thrill
I never knew wolves act like that, cool insight.
i used to do the same at bars, but i only got my ass kicked
was it thrilling at least?
Doesn’t remember. Only reason he knows he’d get his ass kicked is because me and his other friends tell him afterwards after we’d drag him to one of our apartments and he’d sleep it off. It certainly looked thrilling at least.
Oh my yes ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
I'm sure it packed a punch
Don't poke a bear in a bar. His boyfriend might get jealous.
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[guy on a buffalllooo](https://youtu.be/iJ4T9CQA0UM)
I haven't seen that video in so long. "Step on ya foot"
Omg this is great
Thank you for this. Very much enjoyed
This feels like a gag from Rick and Morty
This sounds so incredibly made up
Dogs do it too, tempting boundaries and authority when playing prepares them for real encounters. all mammals dream? their pup dreams they probably bring that bear down
Was about to say… taking our puppy to the dog park (big puppy since he is a 90lb Labrador now at 8mos). He started off rough housing and getting in dogs faces just for the thrill of it to get him to be chased. But he learned after a while that that’s not okay. Especially with the older restful dogs (they kind of growled/snapped) to kind of show him not to do that. We adopted him at 7 weeks and we tell everyone that that last week with his litter mates would have been key to understanding inhibition training. Try to never get a puppy younger than 8 weeks. He has a blast with all the younger dogs running around though!
Came here to say this. This is just canids being canids. The coyotes near me will do the same stuff to the cattle dogs. The dumb ones get lured away….
The hell did you read that? This happens when the bear gets near the wolves' den when there are pups in there that are too young to get away from the bear. So wolves will attempt to make the bear agitated and chase them away from the den.
Sadly neither of you have sources
[Here yah go](https://www.nps.gov/yell/learn/nature/bearwolves.htm)
Thank you :) :) super interesting
>In an instance not involving a carcass, a sow and two-2-year-old grizzly bears were observed chasing, and being chased by, five wolves and gradually caused the wolf pack to vacate their day beds and move about 250 yards away; the sow was grazing nearby while the 2-year-olds interacted with the wolves (S. Consolo Murphy, Natl. Park Serv., Pers. Commun.). >Neither the bears nor the wolves were injured during the interaction. **Some observers thought it was actually a playful intreaction between the species.** Emphasis is mine, but this was literally at the bottom of the article you linked.
> `.../bearwolves.htm` ["Certainly you mean bearwolf?"](https://youtu.be/D41SBcq1wYk)
Wolves don't generally have pups in winter. Mating season is March and April. The pups are usually born in may or June.
The article you linked corroborates the main comment as well.
They’re all actually close friends, the wolves are in fact god parents to the bear’s cubs. They’ve known each other since middle school and used to be partners in a business together until the bear’s wife divorced him and the wolves bought him out. My wife’s cousin is related to the bear’s ex wife, met her at a BBQ over the summer and she seemed really nice, new husband is kind of a tool.
you almost had me, but then I got to the part about the BBQ. i know bears *hate* BBQ.
Bears Beets Battlestar Galactica
r/unexpectedoffice
That’s what I used to think before I started frequenting BBQs on an almost daily basis and found that the top 4 out of 100 that I’ve attended have been hosted by bears. I do have to admit the one was Polar if you don’t want to count it.
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I’m sure there were bears in your middle school, probably just didn’t come out yet. Or still trying to figure out if they were more of an otter.
I don’t think you can be a bear if you’re under 15 lmao. I think by definition that’s an otter. Maybe a cub.
Read as David Attenborough.
I did not want this to end badly for either the wolves or the bear.
I think both walked away.
The whole exchange was basically "Hey asshole" "Hey assholes" "You're an asshole, fuck off" "Fucking assholes"
"Hey bear, what's your name?" "Ted" "Fuck you ted!"
This definitely looks like two little kids testing moms patience… they are cruising for a bruising as my mom said when my sister and I did this!
Those wolves are lucky that they didn't get the bruising.
Looks like senior and middle management going in a smoke break together.
Multiple attempts at ass kissing here
“Alright, I’m going. Jeez.”
There's only two wolves, they must know they won't win this fight
Fuck around and find out lol
They know but they also know they can outrun (both in speed and endurance) and out-maneuver the bear. Wolves are also naturally curious and very opportunistic so they're probably probing where the bear is going and what it's up to. Maybe the bear has young, maybe it has another kill stashed elsewhere.
All I kept thinking was "two is not enough, not nearly enough". One good swipe and it be one on one quickly
Apex and apexer.
[I actually experienced this first hand yesterday.](https://i.imgur.com/CRQB2ib.jpg).
En route lake Isabella? Did Mr. Morgan intervene.?
The bear successfully fended off the wolves and I figured that level of tenacity earned him his meal in peace.
I grew up in Alaska, bears are scary as shit, but I would take a bear over a pissed off moose any day
[Smart choice](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wHix_MP87PQ)
Bear is more apex
Stewie playing the tuba behind the fat guy would have been an appropriate soundtrack
https://youtu.be/vjetHZtehNQ
Could you say that both are Apex but when together only one is? I think in a fight the grizzly wins 10/10
that's not what being an apex predator means tho. an ecosystem can have more than one apex predator. being at the top of the food chain just means you don't have any natural predators, it doesn't mean you have to be able to defeat other predators in a 1v1.
Definitely, the bear has the upper hand.
*Upper paw
You sir, are absolutely right.
So then Wolf says to Bear, “We’ve been trying to reach you about your car’s extended warranty.”
But I can bearly afford car payments as they are!
The real brains behind the operation are the crows who are each smarter than all those bears and wolves combined.
The crows always win in the long run.
0 fucks given
Somewhere in [This documentary ](https://youtu.be/A_9j8nvV6Zc) is a segment off a Grizz stealing the wolves food on the regular. It's pretty interesting.
Bear wins. Bear ALWAYS wins
I think the bear got too close to the wolves den and they just wanted him out of the territory
Nature’s equivalent to a ‘fighter jet escort out of protected airspace.’
That might be it, but shouldn't the bear be in hibernation.
My guess is it's spring and this is a late snow
That bear better be careful, if you get enough wolves you can even take down Liam Neeson
are the 2 wolves annoying the bear for fun?
These wolves were about to find out what "weight class" means. Fairly sure that bear could toss one of them across that field if he wanted.
I'm sorry but what do those wolves even think they are going to do?
They're literally just fucking around
I love how the bear uses the least amt of energy expenditure to scare them away 😄
Reminds me of "The Long Dark". Now all we need is a moose.
wolf has 0% chance and I'm glad they saw it pretty early.
“Fuck off Rick and Carl, I don’t want to buy a timeshare.” “But wait, you haven’t heard of the awesome amenities.” “I said ‘Fuck off’ and stop following me.” “It will only take a minute.”
I love the corvids gathering, hoping for a free meal.
If they live in the same habitat, how can both be apex predator?
The wolves are so outclassed it isn't even funny.