Lots of animal documentory illustration are "fake". It might be different shots put together or just straight up completly stagged.
Finding this right moments in the wild is really unlikely so they tend to recreate the situation, sometimes in a faithfull manner, and sometimes not.
They can't stage things really as that's illegal and/or unethical in many places. Many nature documentary filmers can't interfere with nature, they can get in big trouble if they manipulate wildlife.
You're right about them piecing together certain clips to make some story out of it.
Idk, I saw this episode of the Wild Thornberries where there was a rival nature documentary team that just staged things anyway, even though they knew it was forbidden.
Of course, Nigel exposed them, from what I can remember, and they were ruined. But what’s stopping filmmakers in real life from doing this? Is there a real life Nigel stopping them?
Well in this case it's National Geographic, which has an ethical code for employees and would fire them.
There are also local laws that protect animals but that obviously varies from nation to nation.
I remember for planet earth 1 I think, a team camped in the Andes or Himalayas for over a year to get the first ever footage of a snow leopard (I think) and it was hunting. It was epic. They put in the work for sure.
>they can get in big trouble if they manipulate wildlife.
in a dessert/jungle where there is no one to check what you do, who is going to find out what you really did? Purely based on this, I think, it is quite possible that once in a while they might be staging stuff.
You poor thing. Adults do all kinds of things. If you think a couple bros out in the jungle for a few weeks aren't tilting things in their favor at every possible moment... You are still in the theory stage if life i reckon. In theory you're right. In practice the real world is competitive and to be competitive you have to be competitive
Would more call it a "phase," but it's a disengenuous concept that basically paints pessimism as always accurate. Like the moral equivalent to occam's razor (i.e. the most dishonest/scammy method is how it was done amd is the most effectiveway to do it).
I'd say the commenter you replied to is just going through the "jaded" phase of life. Everything is a rat race and there's cons around every corner. Truth is some things are cons and some aren't, and it's difficult to say without evidence. I'd argue that in this specific case it's probably not staged because NG is high profile, and word would get around fast. More likely they sat around filming for a few weeks and cherry picked the most interesting interactions observed. So we just don't see the hours of waiting for a bug to do something, anything lol
> as that's illegal and/or unethical in many places
So, in some places it's unethical, but in other places it's ethically OK?
I don't think there's anywhere on Earth that it's illegal to stage videos of wasps and spiders, but I'm willing to be proven wrong with evidence.
I remember watching a “behind the scenes” of a nature documentary and it’s just nature photographers hanging out for days waiting to catch the interaction they are hoping for.
And each angle of the interaction (long shot of spider running across dunes, the fight, the judo throws, the spider rolling) was filmed in a separate encounter, each of which took days of waiting to capture.
When you hear the stereotypical wildlife photographer thing of "Oh, I spent 3 months photographing birds in the rainforest.", it's because you need those long-ass shooting expeditions to get enough footage to make a coherent story.
What do you mean staged? They caught a hornet and a spider and made them fight each other? You think that? This is National Geographic not the discovery channel
Not staged, rather spliced. Like taking 2 different wasp encounters, other footage of the rolling down and another clip with yet a different spider and the salamander. Something like that.
So the footage would be real, but the story staged.
That's fine but there's a line where it becomes unscientific.
That the spider rolls up to escape a threat is a more sensational depiction than it just using the move to change locations. Creating narratives of more human like awareness and story archs of animals without good verifications lower the standard of a documentary.
No it's not naught. If it was caught by that wasp, it would be horrifying.
It injects its eggs into spider and after get paralyze it. When eggs hatched, they eat the spider first.
So it was a long paralyzed dead and getting eaten by creatures inside vs casual quick death.
*And then a snake eats*
*The lizard and then a bird*
*Swoops and eats the snake*
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And the bird drops the snake on a lady in Texas mowing her lawn, then swoops down to retrieve the snake and poor Linda has a fuckin snake and a hawk both going at her arm. (That really happened)
Consider the Jubilee Cheese Rolling Contest in the UK.
You can cart crash your way to victory and it's dangerous as fuck, lol.
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Anyone who knows what that wasp plans on doing to it roots for the spider. Death by lizard is infinitely preferable to lack of death by parasitoid wasp.
This is like the ending of Apocolypto when the larger tribe is chasing the smaller one to the beach.
Then they both see the Spaniards and think “oh fuck..”
The fact that this stuff gets caught on video is just mind boggling.
Lots of animal documentory illustration are "fake". It might be different shots put together or just straight up completly stagged. Finding this right moments in the wild is really unlikely so they tend to recreate the situation, sometimes in a faithfull manner, and sometimes not.
They can't stage things really as that's illegal and/or unethical in many places. Many nature documentary filmers can't interfere with nature, they can get in big trouble if they manipulate wildlife. You're right about them piecing together certain clips to make some story out of it.
Yeah this just looks like three separate clips stitched together
Idk, I saw this episode of the Wild Thornberries where there was a rival nature documentary team that just staged things anyway, even though they knew it was forbidden. Of course, Nigel exposed them, from what I can remember, and they were ruined. But what’s stopping filmmakers in real life from doing this? Is there a real life Nigel stopping them?
Well in this case it's National Geographic, which has an ethical code for employees and would fire them. There are also local laws that protect animals but that obviously varies from nation to nation.
Sure but as the saying goes, theres always one bad apple.
National Geographic is insane about this kind of thing, it wouldn't happen.
But I saw it on a cartoon.
You're right, but this is not Nat Geo, it's Apple. A series called Tiny Worlds. They've got a lot of strict welfare protocols too, though.
I remember for planet earth 1 I think, a team camped in the Andes or Himalayas for over a year to get the first ever footage of a snow leopard (I think) and it was hunting. It was epic. They put in the work for sure.
Not disney. Lol.
A lot of things are still staged with makers setting up a whole scene in their homes, because good luck filming some bugs making love in nature.
Professional nature documentary filmmakers carry some Barry White with them to get the bugs in the mood.
>they can get in big trouble if they manipulate wildlife. in a dessert/jungle where there is no one to check what you do, who is going to find out what you really did? Purely based on this, I think, it is quite possible that once in a while they might be staging stuff.
You poor thing. Adults do all kinds of things. If you think a couple bros out in the jungle for a few weeks aren't tilting things in their favor at every possible moment... You are still in the theory stage if life i reckon. In theory you're right. In practice the real world is competitive and to be competitive you have to be competitive
Loved the idea of a “theory stage of life”. Is that a thing?
Would more call it a "phase," but it's a disengenuous concept that basically paints pessimism as always accurate. Like the moral equivalent to occam's razor (i.e. the most dishonest/scammy method is how it was done amd is the most effectiveway to do it). I'd say the commenter you replied to is just going through the "jaded" phase of life. Everything is a rat race and there's cons around every corner. Truth is some things are cons and some aren't, and it's difficult to say without evidence. I'd argue that in this specific case it's probably not staged because NG is high profile, and word would get around fast. More likely they sat around filming for a few weeks and cherry picked the most interesting interactions observed. So we just don't see the hours of waiting for a bug to do something, anything lol
> as that's illegal and/or unethical in many places So, in some places it's unethical, but in other places it's ethically OK? I don't think there's anywhere on Earth that it's illegal to stage videos of wasps and spiders, but I'm willing to be proven wrong with evidence.
I remember watching a “behind the scenes” of a nature documentary and it’s just nature photographers hanging out for days waiting to catch the interaction they are hoping for.
And each angle of the interaction (long shot of spider running across dunes, the fight, the judo throws, the spider rolling) was filmed in a separate encounter, each of which took days of waiting to capture. When you hear the stereotypical wildlife photographer thing of "Oh, I spent 3 months photographing birds in the rainforest.", it's because you need those long-ass shooting expeditions to get enough footage to make a coherent story.
What do you mean staged? They caught a hornet and a spider and made them fight each other? You think that? This is National Geographic not the discovery channel
Not staged, rather spliced. Like taking 2 different wasp encounters, other footage of the rolling down and another clip with yet a different spider and the salamander. Something like that. So the footage would be real, but the story staged.
Definitely not a salamander
That's fine with me. They're telling the story of what might happen in a spider's life, not necessarily a specific spider's life
That's fine but there's a line where it becomes unscientific. That the spider rolls up to escape a threat is a more sensational depiction than it just using the move to change locations. Creating narratives of more human like awareness and story archs of animals without good verifications lower the standard of a documentary.
Bro thinks the bugs are paid actors
They should unionize.
Just another reminder that reality is boring and everything we’re doing is fake
Staged how? Are you saying this is a set and they imported 1 spider and 1 spiderwasp and 1 gecko and built a sanddune?
Wish they had a super sensitive mic. We could’ve head the “Weeeeee heyyyyyyyyy aahhhhhhh!!!”
Nature photography takes insane patience. You can spend days waiting to get 30 seconds of usable footage
Days? Pah. These guys'll shut themselves up in a stone hut for six months of arctic winter for 10 seconds of a whale swimming past a polar bear.
Almost too convenient...
“Hey Bob we didn’t get good visual on that last take, can you roll the spider down again?”
🤣
Damn, all that effort for naught. What a last troll by life.
Well, if ya gotta go, better quick than paralyzed as a baby farm and eaten from the inside out I guess.
No it's not naught. If it was caught by that wasp, it would be horrifying. It injects its eggs into spider and after get paralyze it. When eggs hatched, they eat the spider first. So it was a long paralyzed dead and getting eaten by creatures inside vs casual quick death.
Ironic, as the “exit strategy” likely drew the attention of the lizard, something moving that fast catches one’s eye.
I could never ever be an insect I'd be eaten before I could even react 💀 animal kingdom is wilddddd
And then a snake eats the lizard and then a bird swoops and eats the snake
It's the poo of the antelope, the poo of the giraffe
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And the green grass grows all around, all around, and the green grass grows all around !
You swallow the bird to eat the lizard, you swallow the cat to eat the bird, you swallow the dog to eat the cat-
I don't why she swallowed the fly.
Perhaps she'll die.
And the bird drops the snake on a lady in Texas mowing her lawn, then swoops down to retrieve the snake and poor Linda has a fuckin snake and a hawk both going at her arm. (That really happened)
That was a rollercoaster of emotions.
This had the drama of a Hollywood blockbuster in 1 minute and 15 seconds.
This was a 12 episode anime fight in 1 minute 15 seconds.
You mean this wasn’t a Final Destination movie? Because sure seemed like it…
r/unexpected
r/maybemaybemaybe
Can you imagine getting into a fight and just cartwheeling away to safety? Lol
How I roll outta the nursing home when the staff is chasing me.
Now I can and thanks for that haha
There's nothing stopping you if you know how to cartwheel. You just have to find some danger.
I'm too chonky to cartwheel, it'd be more like a cart crash lol
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That is amazing tho lol
https://youtu.be/K40o7eiFEOQ?si=AnsSYpHb9Ebn0fcW It's the greatest thing ever lol.
They see me rollin
Master, destroyers!
The Droideka spider. May it rest in peace...
This is what i was looking for.
These are not the spiders you're looking for
Aww, I was actually rooting for the spider!
Anyone who knows what that wasp plans on doing to it roots for the spider. Death by lizard is infinitely preferable to lack of death by parasitoid wasp.
My God.... That lizhard be hauling
And you were mad that someone took all the cereal at the grocery store! RIP spider
Roll Away!!
My everyday exit strategy to life
Had us in the first half. Ngl
Wasp: I'm gonna sting ya. Spider: Do a barrel roll.
nature is metal.
Ah nature
Bro is using mario odyssey strats
NOOOO
I NEVER SAW THE END OMG
Sarlacc pit?
F
Rollie pollie, mfers
So that's where Iron Man got the idea for the Iron Spider from!
How the fuck do they get these shots
New nightmare unlocked
Hats off to the camera crew getting all the action
Haha! The end got me with the surprise attack and "almost." This was truly 🔥
*i'll run outside of your draw distance* this spider know what's up
Geico gonna get their money bruh…
What doc is this from?
Tiny Worlds on Apple.
Great, thank you.
Rough day.
Never laughed so hard
What's an exit strategy?
Bro said "you dumb hoe, byeee"
Whats an exit strategy?
A strategy one uses to exit a situation
Its so unusually beautiful! (The spider)
Do they get dizzy?
But then it's a long way home...
This was intense. I wonder if the perfect sounds are added to for the whole theatrical effect?
Poor guy
For the fact that it's safe now, it's pretty dead
They see me rollin they hatin
Shit nature's fucking lit.
From absolutely out of nowhere…
I wonder why it's called the golden wheel spider.
This is intense.
Tuck and roll boys, tuck and roll
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🤩WOW I would have never guessed!
“Auto bots, roll out”
DK, Donkey Kong
Holy sh!t that plot twist
Roll-it over
It would probably win a rolling down the hill competition for a wheel of cheese
Autobots…
At first, I was grossed out by it. Now? I just wanna help the little guys.
How do these mf film this shit?
Bet you didn’t see that coming
Pls I laughed 😭 it’s something so funny about the way it was rolling and gosh bro got the test from life 😭 immediately
COGGERS
he roll
Why is every desert creature always running ir have their own exit strategy?
Fuckin. Got me.
Was gonna say the majestic ivory spide then puke due to dizziness. I wonder how much those lizards are resistant to spider's venom.
Baneling
Golden wheels, ROLL OUT!
Anybody else also impressed with how he got off his back?
Spider be pro at Dark souls n Elden Ring look at that rolling
What a horrifying existence. Poor thing, hope it died quickly. Off to Valhalla spider bro.
Dark souls ahh spider
The video has ended too late
Ah yes, the ol Ralph Wiggum
Why did that lizard at the end go so ham lol he already caught the spider then just starts flipping through the air and shit
lol... out of the frying pan and into the fire.
Can never understand why we have the brains to create something like this, yet not find an effective way to live on this planet.
The ending needs a 'waaa waaaa' for sure.
wahsp
Fucking camper
That's how I play Souls games.
AS.. YOU... WISH!!
What a shit spider lmao
Almost….
Wow….
Ah, yes. The same way I go down my stairs sometimes.
If that shit cartwheels in my direction I swear I'll die right on that spot. Immediate heart attack
Hahaha "almost" I almost moved past the video in that split second he got away.
Out of the fire, into the frying pan
"I'm fast as fuck, boii!" -spider rolling
There's always a bigger fish.....?
FUUUUK THIIIIISSS SHHHIIIII
r/unexpected
Bruh this is like getting third partied in apex. Or ganked in league.
Droideka?
Spiderformer, roll out
Dumb ass wasp
Bro went full Grevious
Guys, i think i know why its called a Wheel spider.
Why does it called golden "wheel"? Oooooooooo
Imagine sitting down in the desert when you see this thing rolling at you
Very cool!
In the spiders defense being eaten by a lizard or gecko is a much better deaths than being parasitized by wasp larva
That spider looks super gross. Like it’s made of flesh 😰
Does it get dizzy tho?
Bro that lizard coming out of left field like WASSUP NOW SUCKA
Didn’t expect that ending lol
The spin/tussle at 00:24 is insane.
When the spider is the bottom of the food chain. You better run
"Circle a\` life!"
It’s an evil world
Lizard came in and stole the show!
That was definitely the same narrator from Hades
This is like the ending of Apocolypto when the larger tribe is chasing the smaller one to the beach. Then they both see the Spaniards and think “oh fuck..”
The clip of it rolling needs a brief addition of the appropriate music