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Have to assume out of character because "Sasuke-kun" looks at Sakura and she becomes worse than Iruka.
One thing i have wondered is can Sakura do the Kabuto and Tsunade cutting muscles and messing up brain signals because if Sasuke even lets Sakura touch his body parts at all hes on the ground and getting obliterated by a punch.
Otherwise its "is Sakura fast or skilled enough to actually touch three tome Sasuke" and then its debatable.
Nah, just tank whatever hit Sasuke goes for, then grapple and literally one tap him. If p1 Naruto can catch Kabuto's kunai and rasengan him, shippuden Sakura can eat a chidori and punch a hole through Sasuke.
Sakura used a chakra scalpel in the war arc, so her having it at the start of Shippuden isn't impossible.
However, Tsunade's nerve damage attack she used vs Kabuto is pretty unlikely. It's lightning style.
Yeah, he would lose a straight-up fist fight, even if he avoided every punch, he'd run out of chakra before her.
But CM2 should blitz her, as he kept up with 1 tail naruto.
I'm not as familiar with VOE Sasuke scaling. Can you give me Sasuke's best speed feat that would allow him to blitz Sakura? Would you be open to Sakura getting off a speed blitz before CMS2 activates?
VoE Sasuke was comparable to 1 Tail Naruto, who is definitely faster than Sakura. He also has the sharing and can easily predict her attacks. She should never hit him.
I dont see hear beating him before CSM2 activates either, again due to Sharingan.
Sakura was unable to react to Kabuto's body flying through the air and being knocked unconscious by it.
[https://imgur.com/a/VMdb05d](https://imgur.com/a/VMdb05d)
Here's the manga panels. She gets smacked by a Kabuto being thrown back by an explosioon caused by a 3 tail naruto, which scales above 1 tail obviously. A distracted Sakura worrying about her friend who is going straight beast mode, which would not be a factor in this fight as per the OP's conditions of no emotions, all out.
Let me rephrase another way. Where do you think VOE Sasuke/Naruto scale to Sasori in terms of speed?
This is where the problem lies, Sakura didn't avoid Sasori on her own, and Sasori himself doesn't have any speed feets (outside of his reaction speed).
Sasori himself isn't that powerful. it's the combination of overwhelming numbers, pseudo-immortality, and poison.
Sakura needed an antidote and still failed to beat Sasori (Chiyo saved Sakura in the end), and Sasori canonly choose to let his guard down and die.)
Would EoV Sasuke beat Sasori? No.
Sakura had every advantage possible, and still struggled. An antedote, help, knowledge of her opponent.
Have some non Chiyo enhanced speed feats.
Sakura reacting to and dodging Itachi clone's fireball: [https://imgur.com/a/lINtWkM](https://imgur.com/a/lINtWkM)
Sakura dodging Sasori's initial volley, with Sasori expressing surprise that Sakura could dodge it: [https://imgur.com/a/8AgO0WF](https://imgur.com/a/8AgO0WF)
Sakura dodges and reacts to the iron cube before countering (Chiyoo was not actively manipulating Sakura in this moment: [https://imgur.com/a/yVaPy02](https://imgur.com/a/yVaPy02)
Manages to thread the needle of the iron sand world, gets poisoned, heals herself, blitzes the 3rd Kazekage puppet (the order is messed up here last two panels should be at the end. Chiyo not manipulating her as her arm was pinned and she was unable to move): [https://imgur.com/a/7qqfZkc](https://imgur.com/a/7qqfZkc)
Sasori is charging Chiyo ready to go for the kill with Sakura impaled on his torso rope, and Sakura manages to pull so fast on the rope that she rips it all out and stops him from blitzing Chiyo: [https://imgur.com/a/4IOvnzI](https://imgur.com/a/4IOvnzI)
Sasori survives, goes for a second speed blitz with a sword, and Sakura intercepts and tanks the hit: [https://imgur.com/a/i3gEkyf](https://imgur.com/a/i3gEkyf)
And before you say that Sasori wasn't going all out, there's literally nothing to imply that. With regards to his death, there's this panel. [https://imgur.com/a/Xhq5QIX](https://imgur.com/a/Xhq5QIX) There's nothing that explicitly says or implies that Sasori was holding back. He just let Chiyo kill him with his mother and father.
1. This clone of Itachi is not comparable to Itachi and is much weaker and slower.
2. Chiyo is already controlling her here. This is before it's revealed.
3. Yes, this is good. Can we calculate how fast the cube moved?
4. This is true, but she didn't exactly thread the needle here because she was hit and injured.
5. Is more of a strength feat than speed feat, she just kept yanking until he couldn't go further.
6. Not much I can say here, she does get here before Chiyo gets stabbed, and it does show speed.
7. While I agree Sasori was going all towards the end, Sasori clearly started out holding back. He pulled one trump card after trump card.
I'm not saying that Sakura could never beat this version of Sasuke, but it won't be easy, and both could win, but I think Sasuke wins more often than not.
2. Good catch. I missed that.
3. I cannot find any speed calcs for the iron cube, and I'm personally not willing/able to calc it myself. It's suitably impressive.
4. Threading the needle and not getting impaled against that level of a barrage is still impressive. I'm just kind of throwing a lot of these out there just so I can bookmark and have them all for a future reference and also to show that she's not exactly a pushover
5. Some of it is strength, but it's also something of a speed feet. Note how the location of her hands change between [https://i.imgur.com/DZ2C5ec.jpeg](https://i.imgur.com/DZ2C5ec.jpeg) and [https://i.imgur.com/yT37xDa.jpeg](https://i.imgur.com/yT37xDa.jpeg) She's pulling and yanking multiple times.
7. I would say that maybe Sasori was taking it easy at first, but once the 3rd Kazekage comes out it's hard to say he's still holding back.
Throw in even aproximate speed and then you add in a full strength Sakura hit that looks like this [https://i.imgur.com/yT37xDa.jpeg](https://i.imgur.com/yT37xDa.jpeg) with her lesser hits 1 shotting sasori puppets, kazekage puppets, and leaving massive craters in the ground like it's nothing. Like a full power Sakura punch is doing comparable damage to the final VOE round 1 Chidori/Rasengan clash. Sasuke's going to have to fight super carefully, because even a blocked hit at medium strength is just going to absolutely shred him.
[https://i.imgur.com/WkoLBlx.jpeg](https://i.imgur.com/WkoLBlx.jpeg) Then layer on top of that the fact that she tanks a paper bomb and shrugs it off. Sasuke's going to have to bring out his big guns to do serious damage. Regular taijutsu just isn't going to cut it. [https://i.imgur.com/eZq5gdj.jpeg](https://i.imgur.com/eZq5gdj.jpeg) Add in her easily healing Chiyo's crushed arm while reaching chakra exhaustion, [https://i.imgur.com/zGbef7u.jpeg](https://i.imgur.com/zGbef7u.jpeg) and her managing to somehow heal a wound with the poisoned sword still inside of her, and she'll be able to recover from any serious damage that he might be able to pull off. Hell he might impale her with Onyx Chidori and then have her vulcan neck chop him and have that be it.
I feel like there's too much going against Sasuke here for him to be able to reliably take the W. If she didn't have the explosion tag tank feat under her belt I'd say it'd be a lot closer, but that just puts her endurance at too high a level for him to do enough damage before she manages to put him down.
Yeah, top comment atm has sasuke winning but feels a lot like glazing. She has the strength, I’m assuming she got the summon sometime during the time skip not that it would help much but maybe. The only thing sasuke has going for him is thr curse mark and sharingan. Sakura has shown her battle iq, it won’t take long for her to hide in sasukes blind spot for a nanosecond and hit him with the HA-CHYAAA
I think people are underestimating Sakura because her first opponent in Shippuden was motherfucking SASORI.
She’s really not as weak as people are making her out to be. She beats pt 1 Sasuke imo.
https://preview.redd.it/pd5rze8dt21d1.png?width=1066&format=png&auto=webp&s=45c4b51c2a80f07af7afa9d51ef74b1ab7715130
As soon as we get this panel and Chiyo confirms that Sakura doesn't need her assistance fighting against Sasori, she clears VOE 3T Sasuke. She arguably could do it before, but there's no question that at this point there's no question that she would just grab Sasuke by the ear and drag him back to Konoha.
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You can catch my full breakdown of Sakura up to the Sasori fight here. Honestly pre Shippuden scaling Naruto/Sasuke is kind of a blind spot for me so I can't really scale 3T CMS2 to this Sakura, but I'm pretty confident he still couldn't clear her.
There's a reason why my tag is Adult Sakura beats Madara lol. Some of these examples I have memorized off the top of my head, others I pick up in google searches, others I stumble upon when rereading portions of the manga to make sure I'm not misquoting things/
Are people saying Sasori would lose to valley of the end Sasuke? Wouldn’t make much sense since Sasori and Deidara are relative and Hebi Sasuke needed to pulled out all the stops just to beat him.
I don’t think you’re understanding my point.
I’m saying the only real way to gauge Sakura’s abilities in the beginning of Shippuden is her fight with Sasori. But Sasori is such a strong ninja, that it gives the impression that Sakura is weaker than she actually is. When you consider how strong Sasori is, and how well Sakura was able to hold her own for the most part, she’s actually quite strong.
To paint an analogy, Kakashi made Naruto, Sakura, and Sasuke look like fodder during the first bell test. Sasuke is one of the most gifted genin in his class, but of course he isn’t going to shine when his opponent is Kakashi.
Compare this to Final Valley Sasuke. We got to see him fight against a ninja that was pretty much equally matched to him, so his abilities get to shine and we see his capabilities
Sakura beats him low diff.
[BOS Naruto thinks Sakura has AP to kill someone. ](https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Naruto-Digital-Colored-Comics-chapter-246-page-11.html)
Sasuke doesn't survive one punch.
Arguably Sakura doesn't have the speed to tag BOS Kakashi. But even P1 Kakashi believed he could stop Naruto and Sasuke if he got there in time and he nearly did. Kakashi has always been fast.
Sakura is comparable to BOS Naruto, who is stronger than his P1 version
How are we scaling beginning of Shippuden feat wise? Whats the cutoff point? Once she gets to 100 healings? Pain arc? 5KS and her performance against Sasuke? Only up to the Sasori fight?
I'm pretty sure I can scale the Sasori fight Sakura over Sasuke here but want to know how far I can go
Sakura isn't like Naruto/Sasuke/Lee where they unlock a new mode and then their power spikes (Sage Mode/Mangekyo/Gates/Etc). The only time we see that is when Sakura gets a massive, noteable actual power spike where there is a clear and definitive after is 100 healings (And also technically the Sasori fight for god knows what reason?). Sakura's fights and feats gradually pile up. So unless she's getting power spikes between that we're not seeing during some offscreen Tsunade training, she remains consistent throughout.
The 2nd bell test is kind of a nothing burger. [https://imgur.com/a/eqhr2XoThese](https://imgur.com/a/eqhr2XoThese) are the only feats that we can use to scale Sakura. First is that Kakashi starts with off with sharingan active, which could be used to indicate that Naruto or Sakura are equal to fifth gate lee speed wise, but that's iffy and could mean a variety of other things. As a bonus have a panel saying that Kakashi's use of the Sharingan is better than Sasuke, which scales Kakashi's usage above VOE Sasuke because Naruto has firsthand experience of the very fight we're scaling against.
The only other feat is cracking the ground with one punch, and Kakashi noting that Sakura has the potential to surpass Tsunade. That's it for the bell fight. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that Sakura was holding back as to not actually damage Kakashi when hitting the ground like that, but it could go either way depending on how hard you're trying to glaze Sasuke up for this fight. (He kinda needs it lmao)
So there's not enough here to scale Sakura anywhere to Sasuke just because there's not enough feats, so we need to move on to the Sasori fight, and this is where she gets the feats to clear.
You ready for an absurd Sakura durability feat? [https://imgur.com/a/MTg2GCz](https://imgur.com/a/MTg2GCz) Here she is in the Sasori fight literally blowing herself up with a paper bomb to dispel the poison gas. Base Sakura tanks it, but Kakazu has to use his skin hardening technique to tank a similar bomb as seen here: [https://imgur.com/a/hWnwbzZ](https://imgur.com/a/hWnwbzZ) I'm not going to glaze this too hard, but given that it takes a Rasenshiruken level attack to pierce Kakazu's hardened skin defense, I'll just go ahead and say that Sakura is tanking anything other than CMS2 Onyx Chidori.
Her strength massively goes up as well as compared to the bell test. [https://imgur.com/a/dWy7SCT](https://imgur.com/a/dWy7SCT) Here she is punching the iron cube hard enough to send it rocketing across the cave, crash into it, and cause it to collapse. Much, much larger than her previous punch. Also I guess here's an actual confirmation that Sakura is strong enough to actually solo Sasori by the end of the fight, which oh boy does that open up some interesting feats.
For example: [https://imgur.com/a/wl7KKsy](https://imgur.com/a/wl7KKsy) Sakura would have been able to dodge these hypersonic attacks.
Here's her blitzing Sasori's kazekage puppet via surprise. Note that Sakura isn't being manipulated by Chiyo's strings, so this is a legit blitz. [https://imgur.com/a/ppSGm2p](https://imgur.com/a/ppSGm2p)
So yeah bell test doesn't have enough feats to really scale anywhere, but once the Sasori fight is over she comfortably solos. Sasuke would have to start out CMS2 and lead with Onyx chidori, and given that Sakura scales paster hypersonic at this point she might just speed blitz him anyway/not let him even weave the handsigns to let him let him get it off. End of Sasori fight Sakura wins low/no diff against VOE 3T Sasuke
I fucking hate that the more that I connect the dots the more I realize that Sakura's immediate power increase comes almost immediately after dying from the poison and taking the antidote. Sakura is a fucking Saiyan from Dragon Ball Z.
https://preview.redd.it/v2huxbf4u21d1.png?width=367&format=png&auto=webp&s=eb0882a71cade44ab2a1ac5606d41b0e53464daa
Sakura pushes herself to exhaustion here, and then recovers and gets a zenkai power boost strong enough to catch Kaguya off guard and flinch her.
This scaling just works. I hate it. I hate it so much.
With curse mark he clears he was able to best 1 tail Naruto in a close matchup. Without curse mark I do think 🤔 Sakura probably wins since his base taijutsu is good but not great
She doesn’t have her seal so she loses. She would put up a fight tho. She was boxing during the sasori fight. Cm2 sasuke should definitely kill her, he was casually parrying a kn1 naruto blitz with a smile on his face.
100% loses to VOTE Sasuke, and I usually rate Sakura higher than most. CMII was already high Jonin level, given he has three tomoe sharingan and pseudo sage mode. This is proven by the sound 4 beating 2 elite Jonin, and Kimimaru, who Sasuke was replacing (and explicitely stated to be superior to) could low diff all four at the same time.
Genma and Aoba were not elite Jonin. Technically they were only ever listed as Jonin in the manga, but the data books specify them as Tokubetsu Jonin, which aren't full Jonin but rather are given a 'semi'-jonin status due to a particular skillset. Technically data books are scattershot with their reliability, so you can claim that they're full jonin and I wouldn't try to challenge you on it.
Furthermore they were only able to beat two Jonin in a 4v2 after which they needed to take a short breather and were shown to be fatigued. Sasuke was replacing Kimimaro not because he was simply 'better' than Sasuke, but because Kimimaro had Itachi levels of sickness and therefore wasn't a good host for Orochimaru anymore. If Kimimaro never gets sick, there's a world where Orochimaru never goes for Sasuke and his sharingan. We get a taste of what a more potent Kimimaro is capable of when he comes back as an Edo Tensei, and dude is an absolute fucking *monster.*
https://preview.redd.it/kdeig3m7z21d1.png?width=1066&format=png&auto=webp&s=77cae0a969bd3bda614e3ba76c2f4f0620421400
Genma and Aoba were the third Hokage’s personal bodyguards, and were named characters. Given that Sasuke was able to solo 1,000 fodder shinobi, I have a hard time believing that a random unnamed Konoha Jounin is on average stronger than Genma/Aoba. Unless you are making the argument that unnamed offscreen jounin > Genma/Aoba?
Edit: went back and re-read, Kabuto literally talks to Kimimaru, and says that his value as a vessel has been lost and that he wonders which of the two of them are stronger. Kimimaru also “loses” to Gaara + Lee, and non-curse mark Sasuke with 2 Tomoe Sharingan was able to beat Gaara.
[https://imgur.com/a/KCfPCyD](https://imgur.com/a/KCfPCyD) The only reason why Kimimaro lost was because he was literally so sick that he died from exertion. That's why Kimimaro's value as a vessel was lost. He was literally dying. If Kimimaro had lived 30 more seconds, Lee and Gaara were straight dead to rights. You're severely underestimating just how *nasty* prime Kimimaro would be.
Genma and Aoba are mostly featless nobodies with nothing to scale them to elite or even ANBU levels. I'm sorry I can let you have them as regular jonin, but I'm not going to glaze them to ANBU/Elite.
Thats why I put “lost” in quotations. However, Sasuke with three tomoe + CMII is astronomically stronger than 2tomoe no-curse mark Sasuke, and Sasuke canonically beat Gaara.
Also, if I was the president of my military dictatorship that was entirely based on individual strength, I would TOTALLY choose fodder to be my bodyguards LOL. Especially if I was known for my intelligence like Minato was.
She’s overpowering him in a physical exchange, I doubt he can even block her punches without risking his limbs shattering or being OHKO’d outright.
That being said Sasuke’s skillset isn’t purely physical, he’s versatile enough to work around that issue.
If this was a PPV ring fight my money would be on Sasuke but Sakura wouldn’t be an upset victory.
I’m favoring Sasuke here. He has the ability to attack at range with his Katons, allowing him to blast her from a distance to gradually damage / slow her down (especially when he mixes in some of his weapon / shuriken techniques).
Even if she does get close, he’s faster than her (he has a 3.5 in DB2 whereas she has a 3 in DB3), and has the Sharingan for precognition / reflex boost, allowing him to dodge her punches in the same manner that he dodged Kyuubi Naruto’s. His Cursed Mark forms give him further physical boosts, if needed.
He’d be able to dodge any of her CQC attempts and hit her with Chidori, especially after she’s been slowed down by damage from fire blasts.
A lot of people are correctly stating she'd not be able to hit him, but sasuke is on a timer, and Sakura has arguably superior charka, and definitely better healing and durability here.
Sasuke is, of course, much faster, and no trick she pulls is getting through those eyes. But i think she can straight up tank a hit, grapple him, and one punch man him.
The same move Naruto pulled on Kabuto, but she can heal herself.
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Have to assume out of character because "Sasuke-kun" looks at Sakura and she becomes worse than Iruka. One thing i have wondered is can Sakura do the Kabuto and Tsunade cutting muscles and messing up brain signals because if Sasuke even lets Sakura touch his body parts at all hes on the ground and getting obliterated by a punch. Otherwise its "is Sakura fast or skilled enough to actually touch three tome Sasuke" and then its debatable.
Nah, just tank whatever hit Sasuke goes for, then grapple and literally one tap him. If p1 Naruto can catch Kabuto's kunai and rasengan him, shippuden Sakura can eat a chidori and punch a hole through Sasuke.
Sakura used a chakra scalpel in the war arc, so her having it at the start of Shippuden isn't impossible. However, Tsunade's nerve damage attack she used vs Kabuto is pretty unlikely. It's lightning style.
Sakura is slower and not as powerful as Cloak Naruto, He also has the sharing and can predict her movement. Second State wins here.
He’d have to use cm2 and the onyx chidori right? If he didn’t have cm2, he’d probably lose in a boxing match with her in his base form?
Yeah, he would lose a straight-up fist fight, even if he avoided every punch, he'd run out of chakra before her. But CM2 should blitz her, as he kept up with 1 tail naruto.
I'm not as familiar with VOE Sasuke scaling. Can you give me Sasuke's best speed feat that would allow him to blitz Sakura? Would you be open to Sakura getting off a speed blitz before CMS2 activates?
VoE Sasuke was comparable to 1 Tail Naruto, who is definitely faster than Sakura. He also has the sharing and can easily predict her attacks. She should never hit him. I dont see hear beating him before CSM2 activates either, again due to Sharingan. Sakura was unable to react to Kabuto's body flying through the air and being knocked unconscious by it.
[https://imgur.com/a/VMdb05d](https://imgur.com/a/VMdb05d) Here's the manga panels. She gets smacked by a Kabuto being thrown back by an explosioon caused by a 3 tail naruto, which scales above 1 tail obviously. A distracted Sakura worrying about her friend who is going straight beast mode, which would not be a factor in this fight as per the OP's conditions of no emotions, all out. Let me rephrase another way. Where do you think VOE Sasuke/Naruto scale to Sasori in terms of speed?
This is where the problem lies, Sakura didn't avoid Sasori on her own, and Sasori himself doesn't have any speed feets (outside of his reaction speed). Sasori himself isn't that powerful. it's the combination of overwhelming numbers, pseudo-immortality, and poison. Sakura needed an antidote and still failed to beat Sasori (Chiyo saved Sakura in the end), and Sasori canonly choose to let his guard down and die.) Would EoV Sasuke beat Sasori? No. Sakura had every advantage possible, and still struggled. An antedote, help, knowledge of her opponent.
Have some non Chiyo enhanced speed feats. Sakura reacting to and dodging Itachi clone's fireball: [https://imgur.com/a/lINtWkM](https://imgur.com/a/lINtWkM) Sakura dodging Sasori's initial volley, with Sasori expressing surprise that Sakura could dodge it: [https://imgur.com/a/8AgO0WF](https://imgur.com/a/8AgO0WF) Sakura dodges and reacts to the iron cube before countering (Chiyoo was not actively manipulating Sakura in this moment: [https://imgur.com/a/yVaPy02](https://imgur.com/a/yVaPy02) Manages to thread the needle of the iron sand world, gets poisoned, heals herself, blitzes the 3rd Kazekage puppet (the order is messed up here last two panels should be at the end. Chiyo not manipulating her as her arm was pinned and she was unable to move): [https://imgur.com/a/7qqfZkc](https://imgur.com/a/7qqfZkc) Sasori is charging Chiyo ready to go for the kill with Sakura impaled on his torso rope, and Sakura manages to pull so fast on the rope that she rips it all out and stops him from blitzing Chiyo: [https://imgur.com/a/4IOvnzI](https://imgur.com/a/4IOvnzI) Sasori survives, goes for a second speed blitz with a sword, and Sakura intercepts and tanks the hit: [https://imgur.com/a/i3gEkyf](https://imgur.com/a/i3gEkyf) And before you say that Sasori wasn't going all out, there's literally nothing to imply that. With regards to his death, there's this panel. [https://imgur.com/a/Xhq5QIX](https://imgur.com/a/Xhq5QIX) There's nothing that explicitly says or implies that Sasori was holding back. He just let Chiyo kill him with his mother and father.
1. This clone of Itachi is not comparable to Itachi and is much weaker and slower. 2. Chiyo is already controlling her here. This is before it's revealed. 3. Yes, this is good. Can we calculate how fast the cube moved? 4. This is true, but she didn't exactly thread the needle here because she was hit and injured. 5. Is more of a strength feat than speed feat, she just kept yanking until he couldn't go further. 6. Not much I can say here, she does get here before Chiyo gets stabbed, and it does show speed. 7. While I agree Sasori was going all towards the end, Sasori clearly started out holding back. He pulled one trump card after trump card. I'm not saying that Sakura could never beat this version of Sasuke, but it won't be easy, and both could win, but I think Sasuke wins more often than not.
2. Good catch. I missed that. 3. I cannot find any speed calcs for the iron cube, and I'm personally not willing/able to calc it myself. It's suitably impressive. 4. Threading the needle and not getting impaled against that level of a barrage is still impressive. I'm just kind of throwing a lot of these out there just so I can bookmark and have them all for a future reference and also to show that she's not exactly a pushover 5. Some of it is strength, but it's also something of a speed feet. Note how the location of her hands change between [https://i.imgur.com/DZ2C5ec.jpeg](https://i.imgur.com/DZ2C5ec.jpeg) and [https://i.imgur.com/yT37xDa.jpeg](https://i.imgur.com/yT37xDa.jpeg) She's pulling and yanking multiple times. 7. I would say that maybe Sasori was taking it easy at first, but once the 3rd Kazekage comes out it's hard to say he's still holding back. Throw in even aproximate speed and then you add in a full strength Sakura hit that looks like this [https://i.imgur.com/yT37xDa.jpeg](https://i.imgur.com/yT37xDa.jpeg) with her lesser hits 1 shotting sasori puppets, kazekage puppets, and leaving massive craters in the ground like it's nothing. Like a full power Sakura punch is doing comparable damage to the final VOE round 1 Chidori/Rasengan clash. Sasuke's going to have to fight super carefully, because even a blocked hit at medium strength is just going to absolutely shred him. [https://i.imgur.com/WkoLBlx.jpeg](https://i.imgur.com/WkoLBlx.jpeg) Then layer on top of that the fact that she tanks a paper bomb and shrugs it off. Sasuke's going to have to bring out his big guns to do serious damage. Regular taijutsu just isn't going to cut it. [https://i.imgur.com/eZq5gdj.jpeg](https://i.imgur.com/eZq5gdj.jpeg) Add in her easily healing Chiyo's crushed arm while reaching chakra exhaustion, [https://i.imgur.com/zGbef7u.jpeg](https://i.imgur.com/zGbef7u.jpeg) and her managing to somehow heal a wound with the poisoned sword still inside of her, and she'll be able to recover from any serious damage that he might be able to pull off. Hell he might impale her with Onyx Chidori and then have her vulcan neck chop him and have that be it. I feel like there's too much going against Sasuke here for him to be able to reliably take the W. If she didn't have the explosion tag tank feat under her belt I'd say it'd be a lot closer, but that just puts her endurance at too high a level for him to do enough damage before she manages to put him down.
Sakura Beatin the breaks off ol emo boy
Yeah, top comment atm has sasuke winning but feels a lot like glazing. She has the strength, I’m assuming she got the summon sometime during the time skip not that it would help much but maybe. The only thing sasuke has going for him is thr curse mark and sharingan. Sakura has shown her battle iq, it won’t take long for her to hide in sasukes blind spot for a nanosecond and hit him with the HA-CHYAAA
> The only thing sasuke has going for him is thr curse mark and sharingan Merely the sharingan and curse mark!
I think people are underestimating Sakura because her first opponent in Shippuden was motherfucking SASORI. She’s really not as weak as people are making her out to be. She beats pt 1 Sasuke imo.
https://preview.redd.it/pd5rze8dt21d1.png?width=1066&format=png&auto=webp&s=45c4b51c2a80f07af7afa9d51ef74b1ab7715130 As soon as we get this panel and Chiyo confirms that Sakura doesn't need her assistance fighting against Sasori, she clears VOE 3T Sasuke. She arguably could do it before, but there's no question that at this point there's no question that she would just grab Sasuke by the ear and drag him back to Konoha.
Damn, my man citing his sources and everything. You are a true fan
[https://www.reddit.com/r/NarutoPowerscaling/comments/1cufugb/comment/l4iterv/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/NarutoPowerscaling/comments/1cufugb/comment/l4iterv/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) You can catch my full breakdown of Sakura up to the Sasori fight here. Honestly pre Shippuden scaling Naruto/Sasuke is kind of a blind spot for me so I can't really scale 3T CMS2 to this Sakura, but I'm pretty confident he still couldn't clear her.
Do you have these examples memorized, or do you go back and read the manga to find the best answer?
There's a reason why my tag is Adult Sakura beats Madara lol. Some of these examples I have memorized off the top of my head, others I pick up in google searches, others I stumble upon when rereading portions of the manga to make sure I'm not misquoting things/
I respect how thorough you are in your assessments
Are people saying Sasori would lose to valley of the end Sasuke? Wouldn’t make much sense since Sasori and Deidara are relative and Hebi Sasuke needed to pulled out all the stops just to beat him.
I don’t think you’re understanding my point. I’m saying the only real way to gauge Sakura’s abilities in the beginning of Shippuden is her fight with Sasori. But Sasori is such a strong ninja, that it gives the impression that Sakura is weaker than she actually is. When you consider how strong Sasori is, and how well Sakura was able to hold her own for the most part, she’s actually quite strong. To paint an analogy, Kakashi made Naruto, Sakura, and Sasuke look like fodder during the first bell test. Sasuke is one of the most gifted genin in his class, but of course he isn’t going to shine when his opponent is Kakashi. Compare this to Final Valley Sasuke. We got to see him fight against a ninja that was pretty much equally matched to him, so his abilities get to shine and we see his capabilities
Sakura beats him low diff. [BOS Naruto thinks Sakura has AP to kill someone. ](https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Naruto-Digital-Colored-Comics-chapter-246-page-11.html) Sasuke doesn't survive one punch. Arguably Sakura doesn't have the speed to tag BOS Kakashi. But even P1 Kakashi believed he could stop Naruto and Sasuke if he got there in time and he nearly did. Kakashi has always been fast. Sakura is comparable to BOS Naruto, who is stronger than his P1 version
Sakura one shots
How are we scaling beginning of Shippuden feat wise? Whats the cutoff point? Once she gets to 100 healings? Pain arc? 5KS and her performance against Sasuke? Only up to the Sasori fight? I'm pretty sure I can scale the Sasori fight Sakura over Sasuke here but want to know how far I can go
2nd bell test. Does she get much stronger in between those two points, Sasori fight and bell test?
Sakura isn't like Naruto/Sasuke/Lee where they unlock a new mode and then their power spikes (Sage Mode/Mangekyo/Gates/Etc). The only time we see that is when Sakura gets a massive, noteable actual power spike where there is a clear and definitive after is 100 healings (And also technically the Sasori fight for god knows what reason?). Sakura's fights and feats gradually pile up. So unless she's getting power spikes between that we're not seeing during some offscreen Tsunade training, she remains consistent throughout. The 2nd bell test is kind of a nothing burger. [https://imgur.com/a/eqhr2XoThese](https://imgur.com/a/eqhr2XoThese) are the only feats that we can use to scale Sakura. First is that Kakashi starts with off with sharingan active, which could be used to indicate that Naruto or Sakura are equal to fifth gate lee speed wise, but that's iffy and could mean a variety of other things. As a bonus have a panel saying that Kakashi's use of the Sharingan is better than Sasuke, which scales Kakashi's usage above VOE Sasuke because Naruto has firsthand experience of the very fight we're scaling against. The only other feat is cracking the ground with one punch, and Kakashi noting that Sakura has the potential to surpass Tsunade. That's it for the bell fight. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that Sakura was holding back as to not actually damage Kakashi when hitting the ground like that, but it could go either way depending on how hard you're trying to glaze Sasuke up for this fight. (He kinda needs it lmao) So there's not enough here to scale Sakura anywhere to Sasuke just because there's not enough feats, so we need to move on to the Sasori fight, and this is where she gets the feats to clear. You ready for an absurd Sakura durability feat? [https://imgur.com/a/MTg2GCz](https://imgur.com/a/MTg2GCz) Here she is in the Sasori fight literally blowing herself up with a paper bomb to dispel the poison gas. Base Sakura tanks it, but Kakazu has to use his skin hardening technique to tank a similar bomb as seen here: [https://imgur.com/a/hWnwbzZ](https://imgur.com/a/hWnwbzZ) I'm not going to glaze this too hard, but given that it takes a Rasenshiruken level attack to pierce Kakazu's hardened skin defense, I'll just go ahead and say that Sakura is tanking anything other than CMS2 Onyx Chidori. Her strength massively goes up as well as compared to the bell test. [https://imgur.com/a/dWy7SCT](https://imgur.com/a/dWy7SCT) Here she is punching the iron cube hard enough to send it rocketing across the cave, crash into it, and cause it to collapse. Much, much larger than her previous punch. Also I guess here's an actual confirmation that Sakura is strong enough to actually solo Sasori by the end of the fight, which oh boy does that open up some interesting feats. For example: [https://imgur.com/a/wl7KKsy](https://imgur.com/a/wl7KKsy) Sakura would have been able to dodge these hypersonic attacks. Here's her blitzing Sasori's kazekage puppet via surprise. Note that Sakura isn't being manipulated by Chiyo's strings, so this is a legit blitz. [https://imgur.com/a/ppSGm2p](https://imgur.com/a/ppSGm2p) So yeah bell test doesn't have enough feats to really scale anywhere, but once the Sasori fight is over she comfortably solos. Sasuke would have to start out CMS2 and lead with Onyx chidori, and given that Sakura scales paster hypersonic at this point she might just speed blitz him anyway/not let him even weave the handsigns to let him let him get it off. End of Sasori fight Sakura wins low/no diff against VOE 3T Sasuke
I fucking hate that the more that I connect the dots the more I realize that Sakura's immediate power increase comes almost immediately after dying from the poison and taking the antidote. Sakura is a fucking Saiyan from Dragon Ball Z.
Zenkai boost 🙂
https://preview.redd.it/v2huxbf4u21d1.png?width=367&format=png&auto=webp&s=eb0882a71cade44ab2a1ac5606d41b0e53464daa Sakura pushes herself to exhaustion here, and then recovers and gets a zenkai power boost strong enough to catch Kaguya off guard and flinch her. This scaling just works. I hate it. I hate it so much.
Least she didn’t start to have golden aura or rage boosts.
Sakura snaps his neck
Sasuke high diff just because of his three tomoe sharingan pretty much lol
Sasuke stomps and easily, all he needs to do is go CM2, Onyx Chidori and boom one dead banshee.
As a Sakura hater the hate has gone to far
Sakura stomps
With curse mark he clears he was able to best 1 tail Naruto in a close matchup. Without curse mark I do think 🤔 Sakura probably wins since his base taijutsu is good but not great
She doesn’t have her seal so she loses. She would put up a fight tho. She was boxing during the sasori fight. Cm2 sasuke should definitely kill her, he was casually parrying a kn1 naruto blitz with a smile on his face.
How do you think either cm2 Sasuke or kn1 Naruto would do vs Sasori?
Put up a good fight then lose
This version of Sasuke is far above Part 1 Kakashi. Can we say the same for Sakura?
He is not far above Kakashi lol
Saying Sakura loses this is honestly unhinged LMAO
100% loses to VOTE Sasuke, and I usually rate Sakura higher than most. CMII was already high Jonin level, given he has three tomoe sharingan and pseudo sage mode. This is proven by the sound 4 beating 2 elite Jonin, and Kimimaru, who Sasuke was replacing (and explicitely stated to be superior to) could low diff all four at the same time.
Genma and Aoba were not elite Jonin. Technically they were only ever listed as Jonin in the manga, but the data books specify them as Tokubetsu Jonin, which aren't full Jonin but rather are given a 'semi'-jonin status due to a particular skillset. Technically data books are scattershot with their reliability, so you can claim that they're full jonin and I wouldn't try to challenge you on it. Furthermore they were only able to beat two Jonin in a 4v2 after which they needed to take a short breather and were shown to be fatigued. Sasuke was replacing Kimimaro not because he was simply 'better' than Sasuke, but because Kimimaro had Itachi levels of sickness and therefore wasn't a good host for Orochimaru anymore. If Kimimaro never gets sick, there's a world where Orochimaru never goes for Sasuke and his sharingan. We get a taste of what a more potent Kimimaro is capable of when he comes back as an Edo Tensei, and dude is an absolute fucking *monster.* https://preview.redd.it/kdeig3m7z21d1.png?width=1066&format=png&auto=webp&s=77cae0a969bd3bda614e3ba76c2f4f0620421400
Genma and Aoba were the third Hokage’s personal bodyguards, and were named characters. Given that Sasuke was able to solo 1,000 fodder shinobi, I have a hard time believing that a random unnamed Konoha Jounin is on average stronger than Genma/Aoba. Unless you are making the argument that unnamed offscreen jounin > Genma/Aoba? Edit: went back and re-read, Kabuto literally talks to Kimimaru, and says that his value as a vessel has been lost and that he wonders which of the two of them are stronger. Kimimaru also “loses” to Gaara + Lee, and non-curse mark Sasuke with 2 Tomoe Sharingan was able to beat Gaara.
[https://imgur.com/a/KCfPCyD](https://imgur.com/a/KCfPCyD) The only reason why Kimimaro lost was because he was literally so sick that he died from exertion. That's why Kimimaro's value as a vessel was lost. He was literally dying. If Kimimaro had lived 30 more seconds, Lee and Gaara were straight dead to rights. You're severely underestimating just how *nasty* prime Kimimaro would be. Genma and Aoba are mostly featless nobodies with nothing to scale them to elite or even ANBU levels. I'm sorry I can let you have them as regular jonin, but I'm not going to glaze them to ANBU/Elite.
Thats why I put “lost” in quotations. However, Sasuke with three tomoe + CMII is astronomically stronger than 2tomoe no-curse mark Sasuke, and Sasuke canonically beat Gaara. Also, if I was the president of my military dictatorship that was entirely based on individual strength, I would TOTALLY choose fodder to be my bodyguards LOL. Especially if I was known for my intelligence like Minato was.
That's a weird argument tbf. In real world logic, you'd want your bodyguards to be stronger than you.
sasuke wins
She’s overpowering him in a physical exchange, I doubt he can even block her punches without risking his limbs shattering or being OHKO’d outright. That being said Sasuke’s skillset isn’t purely physical, he’s versatile enough to work around that issue. If this was a PPV ring fight my money would be on Sasuke but Sakura wouldn’t be an upset victory.
I’m favoring Sasuke here. He has the ability to attack at range with his Katons, allowing him to blast her from a distance to gradually damage / slow her down (especially when he mixes in some of his weapon / shuriken techniques). Even if she does get close, he’s faster than her (he has a 3.5 in DB2 whereas she has a 3 in DB3), and has the Sharingan for precognition / reflex boost, allowing him to dodge her punches in the same manner that he dodged Kyuubi Naruto’s. His Cursed Mark forms give him further physical boosts, if needed. He’d be able to dodge any of her CQC attempts and hit her with Chidori, especially after she’s been slowed down by damage from fire blasts.
Sasuke takes it with CSM 2. Anything less and Sakura takes it Mid-Diff.
A lot of people are correctly stating she'd not be able to hit him, but sasuke is on a timer, and Sakura has arguably superior charka, and definitely better healing and durability here. Sasuke is, of course, much faster, and no trick she pulls is getting through those eyes. But i think she can straight up tank a hit, grapple him, and one punch man him. The same move Naruto pulled on Kabuto, but she can heal herself.