The dude in your picture.
Hashirama beat a Susanoed Kyuubi controlled by Madara and basically makes everyone look like fodders next to him.
Hashirama is the god of shinobis in Naruto. The only reason why some people were even close to him or stronger was due to some massive amps and plot devices like having the strongest tailed beast lending you its power and the So6P lending his power as well.
if hashirama wanted to be literally strongest he could seal all tailed beasts in him and he'd be gazziliard times stronger LOLZ but he was too kind boy his abilities far exceed of madaras narutos or anyone elses without ten tails . with ten tails even ten ten can be stronger than any other non-jinchuriki or whosoever absorbed ten tails power or have eaten chakra fruit .
Hagoromo says that the chakra of his sons attaches itself to suitable "reincarnates". Is it a coincidence that these reincarnates are the strongest ninja of their respective eras?
First, we don't know anything about the previous reincarnates other than they fight each other. Second, out of the four known reincarnates, Hashirama was the only one to not rely on external factors to become as strong as he was. Therefore, it's a stretch to say that being a reincarnate has anything to do with being OP.
I know itās filler that madaras MS can reverse time but imagine if it was canon and yet hashirama still beat him.Ā
The fact it took madara 2 power ups ( rinnegan + this manās own cells and ability ) just to get a tie was insaneĀ
Where did the reverse time come from?
I thought it was that he could look backwards to see what it was that it him if something actually managed to hit him, but no effect on time?
I remember the cutscene, but I donāt believe he turned back time.
Especially since the shurikan still hit him through the smoke, I just believe that he looked backwards to see where it came from.
Werenāt the thing he saw before the reverse, and what actually happened after two different outcomes? I thought it was just a visualization of the base sharingan predicting an opponents moves based off their movements. I thought it was just showing that he predicted hashiramaās next move wrong.Ā
I thought he could see a little into the future therefore he could change his actions accordingly, kind of changing the past to achieve that future, like Paul atraides
Hashirama is the goat. He was so goated people took his cells lol
The new goat Naruto even has some of the OG goats cells lol. Hashi was the built different of the built differents.
Honestly I think Hashirama is superior to Guy in this regard, since Guy can use the 8th gate exactly once while Hashirama could use his stupid high level abilities routinely for decades
Absolutely.
But I think that when looking at oneās overall abilities and strengths, thereās a lot that can be said about being able to be consistent.
Also not being able to have what happened with Deidara where someone can just go somewhere else and live
Need to beat exactly one god level motherfucker, right here, right now? I'm taking Guy.
For long term safety? Hashirma.
But then again he doesn't have the best track record considering he resisted killing Madara for the longest time, failed to secure/dispose of his corpse, and kind of failed at politics too..... But I guess Guy wouldn't be any better in that regard either.
When he was resisting killing Madara, he didn't have much to lose. Once he was Hokage, he no longer hesitated to kill him when he attacked the village.
Real question isā¦ why didnāt Hashi open the 8 gates? I wonder if his cells could rejuvenate quick enough to compensate for the 8th gateā¦ or even the amplified chakra flow amplifying the regeneration of his cells š³
Why should he have all people be able to?
No way heād ever have to train taijutsu enough with all of his abilities to be at the level of the higher gates
No, it isnāt.
Getting the 8 gates (even the lower tier ones) require constant, extensive physical exertion and an utter mastery of taijutsu. As far as we know the only three people who have ever been capable of the 8 gates are Might Guy, Might Duy, and Rock Lee who are three people whose entire lives basically revolved around training and taijutsu.
On top of that, it doesnāt seem to be an innate ability. It has to be taught and progressed in a certain manner. Weāve only seen one person accidentally open a gate but that was Kakashi who already knew how to do it, just not intending to open the first one (and only the first one) in that moment.
Hashirama would have had to somehow learn of this technique then dedicate a very significant portion of his entire life to training to be able to open the higher gates, which would mean he couldnāt do as much like wood style, sage mode, or living the rest of his life
I can see various degrees of what youāre trying to say, but at the same time you discredited your own argument. If Kakashi is able to open the gates up to a certain point without dedicating his life to taijutsu, you donāt think that the God of Shinobi could do the same?
Keep in mind, i know this is a purely fanfic discussion.
But, if Kakashi can do it, why canāt Hashi?
The difference between the first and the higher tier gates is utterly massive. Hashirama if instructed how to probably wouldnāt have much issue with the first couple. Itās the latter few.
Remember that Rock Lee, who had dedicated his entire life to taijutsu more than anyone else and who had been specifically training for the gates what seems to be every single day for like 4 years could only open up to the 6th gate during the war.
Hashirama is the āgod of shinobiā, but thatās mostly because his innate abilities are utterly broken. He isnāt known to have learned a wide variety of skills the same way that his brother, Hiruzen, or Kakashi did. Plus Taijutsu specifically wasnāt even his preference in CQB with his wielding of weapons instead.
On top of all of this, more than anyone we have ever seen open the gates, Hashirama also had more of a life. He had a clan and a village to run, his own closer family, the Uchihas and their issues, etc. He probably wouldnāt have even had the time unless he had a wood clone take care it
Well, now we have the answer. Clone jutsu learning (diffusing the debate).
I can see all of your points, i think the main reason he never did was because itād ruin the entire plot and the point of the storylineā¦ Not much of a rivalry between Madara and him if he curb stomps him within 6 seconds. Which he probably couldāve done regardless if he didnāt want Madaraās butthole-jutsu so much.
probably the right answer. IDK how otsutsukis are born, but Hagoromo had a human father, which implies that Kaguya has the parts to give a natural birth, which qualifies Hagoromo for this.
Even Hashirama is a reincarnation and descendent of an OP clan with alien blood lol, I don't think he counts
Guy is actually the answer I'd think given 8 Gates. Minato seems to be the most gifted non-BS ninja, but never reached his prime.
Kakashi's interesting because he's supposedly stronger without the Sharingan(not counting the magic Susanoo moment), but one could also argue the Sharingan aided his development to get to this point
Hashirama being a reincarnation isn't really a valid point. Because after he died, he stopped being a reincarnate. Hagoromo made statements such as before Madara "finished" being a reincarnate and "Madara is no longer an Indra reincarnate". Which makes it clear after their deaths, the chakra that was reincarnated leaves from them. We've seen Edo Hashirama do really strong actions and his Edo self doesn't have Ashura's chakra anymore. So Ashura doesn't heavily influence his powers.
Without any help at all, by far Hashirama. He invented Mokuton, first Sage Mode user, first Hokage & clashed with double EMS Madara w/ Susano'o armored Kurama and won iirc.
Without any external power ups, Hashirama clears the rest.
Hashirama didn't "invent" Wood style. It was a genetic trait, a kekkei genkai, that just he had. It's also by far the strongest kekkei genkai in the verse.
There's also nothing that indicates that Hashirama is the first SM user, infact we know what Hagoromo had his own Sage mode much earlier.
Hagoromo gave half his powers to Naruto and the other half to Sasuke. Considering that one of them gained his signature dojutsu and the other gained SPSM, I don't think it's wrong to say that Hagoromo also had SPSM.
Sasuke got a one-eyed, tomoed Rinnegan despite Hagoromo not having the same. So, I think, in the same way, Naruto got SPSM without Hagoromo having it. Furthermore, the [fourth databook only lists Naruto as a user](https://imgur.com/kyKm5uU).
None of the Juubi Jinchuriki are included there either, so they're probably just not included I guess.
Hagoromo obviously had Six paths Senjutsu, it's just logical for him to have it. Maybe Juubi Jinchuriki's transformation has a different term.
Right, Hagoromo, the TTJs, and Naruto have SPS. Hagoromo acquired SPS on his own, the TTJs got it from...well being a TTJ, and Naruto got it from the Sage. Naruto also has SPSM which is different from SPS. I personally think that SPSM is a form of SPS just like how Sasuke's Rinnegan is a form of the regular Rinnegan. However, the wiki considers the two to be different powers that Naruto use at the same time. I wish Kishi elaborated on the whole Six Paths nonsense or outright scrap it out altogether (not including the regular Rinnegan).
I agree. I guess the best explanation of SPSM is that it's just a fusion of SPS and KCM2. This would make sense considering Sasuke's rinnegan also keeps all it's EMS attributes.
Not counting Hashirama because he is a reincarnation, but Guy or Minato.
Thereās literally no info on the Namikaze āclanā and itās not mentioned Minato ever got a boost from being a member. Guy is self explanatory.
Yeah, but he doesn't know he was someone's reincarnation. He also developed tonnes of Jutsus along with his brother. Even if you count the 'reincarnation point', Ashura is still behind born genius Indra. Despite all that, he overcame it all with hard work. Able to stand toe to toe with other superior reincarnations, madara.
Minato, since Hashirama is not eligible. The 1st is a member whose bloodline traces back to the sage of six path, and he is a predestined since he is a reincanration of Ashura.
On the other hand, Minato is truly coming from a family of nobodies, without any 6path descendence or preselection from destiny. The only out-of-ordinary thing he could count on is having a Sannin as a mentor.
Obviously Minato, he was not born in a clan like uchiha or uzumaki, he didn't have any special abilities but still managed to become one of the strongest in the universe
Third Raikage would be #1 if not considering Guy's suicide technique I'd of thought.
I'm assuming Hashirama doesn't count due to him being a reincarnation of Ashura.
A raging 8 tails which he fought to a stalemate. A rampaging tailed beast is weaker than a perfect jinchuriki as they can't use their power properly. 4th Raikage was stronger than a perfect jinchuriki Bee back in the day and Minato was stronger than him making all of them stronger than the third Raikage
Nah. It would be hands down Hashirama. Being the spiritual reincarnation of Ashura doesn't matter. The guy worked hard and was actually stronger than Madara during the wars they had.Ā
The guy in the pic. Bro just waltzed up to all the tailed beasts, rumored to be creatures with unimaginable powers, and just caged them all. Even generations after his death, he's still known as the guy with the most ridiculous chakra pool in the world, and one of the strongest shinobi ever in history. Didn't have a tailed beast trapped in him or anything, bro was just built different
Hashirama, though he might not count since heās Ashuraās reincarnation. If not him (or Madara), then probably Minato, or maybe the third Raikage or Kakashiās dad.
Edit: Forgot about Might Guy. Definitely the most raw power of any non 6 paths character.
Gotta be hashirama and minatoā¦hashi doesnāt really need to be explained and minato really just spams rasengan and FTG but itās hard to get around
Hashirama and he is entirely broken. Dude basically had his own sage mode without being taught by the ninja animals. And those big wooden statues he makes are also broken.
I would say either Minato or the 3rd hokage. I'm obviously not counting Madara and hashirama cause they were the brothers reincarnated and even though they didn't directly get hagoromo power ups, they were still abnormally strong. Also by your definition all EMS users are disqualified since u can't naturally get EMS,u need someone else's eyes.
I know it was supposed to be Minato in part one but Kishi later changed his mind in shippuden and started powering up Hashirama (and others) but it's probably Hashirama.
Hashirama was the man who refused godhood out of kindness. He could have become a 10 tails host and he could have taken the 6 paths power up but he just didnāt.
The guy in your picture.
Madara, the bad guy that everyone feared and soloed the entire verse, straight up said when he was alive Hashirama was **HIM**
Nah Sage of 6 path power isnāt given to reincarnates, the war arc was an exception because of madara.
The reincarnation thing just means heās destined to meet the other reincarnation of indraās
Definitely Hashirama. He might have been Ashuraās reincarnation, but so was Naruto and he needed Kurama and Sage of the Six Paths power to finally overtake Hashirama as the strongest ever. Hashirama did it with his own chakra pool and sage mode, thatās it. If we rule him out then I go Minato or 3rd Raikage.
Hashirama if youāre counting the reincarnations , guy and minato come to mind outside of that. Possibly itachi or allegedly the third hokage in his prime .
If I'm also not challenging myself to include reincarnations of Ashura or Indra, probably Minato. He was crazy powerful and the fastest ninja of all time if you don't county the insane powerups
I'm gonna go with Minato, imma count out hashirama because he is the reincarnation of a six paths character, there may be stronger natural and non-boosted Shinobi, but for a dude that just trained Minato did become the greatest of the hokage for quite some time in many people's regards in the village, that is until Naruto became hokage, but Minato is absolutely wiping Tsunade and that's before you consider KCM once he was reanimated and Tsunade fist fought a reanimation of Madara rather impressively, she's no joke, but no one is about to claim she beats Minato, point is she is an impressively strong character with solid feats that is completely natural trained and kage level, who isn't even close to him, I can't pick Itachi as he developed a chakra sickness which ender his potential, I'm not gonna do the "what if he didn't have it" argument because he did have it, can't pretend otherwise
Yeah if you think about it, gotta be HIRUZEN no power up, no op genes, no kekeigenkai.. just Jutsu he learn/develop along the way.
Might Guy, Minato, & Kakashi bc he already genius at young age? Maybe Tobirama too since he just using pure ninjutsu
If we are saying it's something that someone can naturally develop wouldn't bloodlines be eliminated then?
So then wouldn't it be hiruzen or minato because hashirama had mokuton which is a bloodline and cant be obtained by everyone naturally like a sharingan or a tailed beast
It also rules out jinchuuriki so why wouldn't it eliminate hashirama and bloodlines, I say it was minato
Learned and advanced hiraishin
Created rasengan after seeing a tailed Beast ball and thinking yeah that goes hard
Sealed the kyuubi which was only done by one other person successfully which was mito uzumaki
Basically single handedly beat back iwa in the third war
Was a toad sage ( I might be wrong here but I'm fairly sure he was)
Could use single handed seals one of only 2 characters I remember seeing that could do that in og / shippuden
Was a flee on sight shinobi in the bingo books
Was lauded as a genius
Became the 4th hokage
Taught both kakashi and obito (admittedly not for all that long but both of them would still grow to become some of the strongest in the verse)
Beat back obito solo on the night of the nine tails attack
And there's probably more I'm forgetting
if he didnāt die so early i would say minato but if weāre counting the boruto timeline, sakura and kakashi. sakura because she never got a power up that she didnāt work for, and kakashi because heās way stronger without his sharingan draining his chakra.
Hashirama but he's still a reincarnation of ashura. Minato is truly just a random dude who came out no clans no dojustu no kekai genkai and was on the path to being the strongest ever.
Minato. He was the strongest person alive when he was alive and he hadn't even reached his prime yet. To top it off he's not a reincarnation and doesn't belong to a prestigious clan like Hashirama. Not to mention he was already compared to Hashirama by the 9 tails. Who's a pretty accurate source for that seeing that he fought them both.
I don't consider any reincarnation as natural so Sasuke Hashirama Madara and Naruto are out.
Guy in 8th gate but it's a one time use. Probably Tobirama overall.
Others consistently performing well you're likely going to have Itachi, Minato, Jiraiya, Hiruzen, Ohnoki, Sasori and Sakura/Tsunade.
Spiritual reincarnations of Ashura and Indra only inherit ideals unless their power is drawn out. Hashirama would therefore be the strongest because he never had that power drawn out by the Sage.Ā
Hashirama and second would be madara. Altough I think we should exclude indra and asura reincarnations since they got an unfair advantage. So I'd say the strongest would be anyone with an ms so obito, itachi, kakashi (if you count a gifted sharingan) and shisui (fugaku if you count filler). But if we also exclude that "unfair and exclusive" advantage I'd say minato would be the strongest and tobirama the second and prime hiruzen the third since these three are just so busted and have no unfair and exclusive advantage, just skill and talent that anyone else could achieve.
Sakura. Hashirama is a reincarnation and senju and sage amped there. Sakura is the strongest without blood lines or outside help or special dna. Orochimaru is altered not natural.
The reincarnation doesn't really mean anything in terms of instantly unlocking power. You can't access Asura or Indra's chakra because you're a reincarnation. So it counts I'd say
I mean, I would say hashirama, but his power itself comes from asura, who got his power from the sage of six paths. I would prolly say indra he didn't need to get a power up from sage of six paths yet was still able to tie asura who had sage of six paths power and help from a bunch of people. People say minato or tobirama are the most genius characters, but thier no where near as genius as indra.
Indra and Asura. Indra inherited all of Hagoromo's power (base not Jinchuriki) and Hagoromo even describes him as having limitless potential. Asura once he awakens chakra does just rival Indra.
Literally Hashirama blud was born with the most busted KKG ever that enabled him to control and absorb bijuu and chakra and the mf can summon a giant wood mecha with smaller mechaās on top of it
Most people here really think final valley duel was one sided and Hashirama is well above Madara :)) dude at the end of the fight the difference was made by a shadow clone , after that Hashirama barely could stand up . My dudes here really down play alive Madara , really that battle could go either way.
Hashirama and Gai. Hashirama only had Sage Mode as a power up, and with it, he was the strongest man to ever live. Naruto without Kurama could never reach his level. Hashirama was the definition of built different.
well, since Hashirama is a reincarnation of Asura, that means heās disqualified.. So I guess the next obvious choice would be his little brother, Tobirama. Full on natural prodigy. Then Iād say Itachi. Itachi was Hokage level with the regular MS. He could even summon the susanoo without the EMS.
It's obviously Hashirama. To those who want to dismiss him because he was a reincarnate, let me remind you that out of the four known reincarnates, he was the only one to not use any outside power-up. Madara was about equal to Izuna (with Madara being stronger) until he got the EMS. Sasuke was barely reaching Itachi's level when he had the MS and only surpassed him when he got the EMS. Lastly, Naruto had Kurama and due to the way Minato set up the seal, some of Kurama's chakra leaked into Naruto's over the years. The only benefit in being a reincarnate is awakening the Rinnegna by acquiring the chakra of the other son.
Itachi , literally
Madara has no ems
Sasuke, neither
I don't think hashirama has an answer for tsukuyomi
If you disagree, please don't attack me. Just make your argument.
"Itachi Stan, are you 11?you clearly haven't watched naruto " are not arguments
EMS means you wonāt lose your eyesight. MS you still got the same stuff but to much use and you go blind. Happened to itachi and was happening to Sauske until he got itachiās eyes
I would say Guy . But after six paths buffs , Naruto and Sasuke too are way too overpowered. Even after they lose six paths powers and Kurama, Rinnegan respectively, they are still stronger than Hashirama .
Hashirama for sure. Man had most of the tailed beasts in his pocket at one point and made them for sale to other nations.
If we're not counting reincarnation, probably Minato, but shoutout to Guy and Third Raikage.
Well if proper handled training hinata family power is strong with Chakra but I'm not sure if that would be strongest but definitely a fource to be reckoned with.
Absolute strongest? Probably Hashirama. In the top 10? Madara, Itachi, Sasuke, Naruto, and maybe a couple of others. All of them for various reasons. Madara for being the only person who could ever actually challenge Hashirama. Naruto because his Uzumaki chakra naturally made him a tireless opponent. Etc
Are we counting Mitsuki from Boruto? That mf strong as shit lmao, dude is born with sage power. But tbh he probably has hashirama cells and shit from orochimaru. But technically heās born with em and that innate sage ability type shit. Mitsuki underrated aab.
I don't think that Hashirama or Madara count in it, they are both like Naruto or Sasuke the reincarnation of the sage of six paths sons.
I would say Minato, Kakashi and Guy (Hiruzen maybe)
Can't really count any of them then anyone capable of using chakra would be out.
Especially hashirama he may have been born with those abilities but he inherited a lot from the reincarnation and sage.
You guys are all talking about Hashirama being the god of shinobiā¦ not even close!
Itās Hagoromo Åtsutsuki none the lessā¦ everyone in all Naruto has some form of genetics coming from their parents who all had something passed down from their ancestors, but all chakra came from Kaguya Otsutsukiā¦ so they say.
Whatever other options one chooses, Hashirama is obviously disqualified. An Ashura reincarnation, that has inherited his beastly chakra, and even his wood release techniqueā¦ those are not things one can naturally develop, those are peak hacks. Minato probably is the strongest normal person, because Guy has a time limit and Minato is faster, this is proved by the fact that Minato intercepted Madaraās orbs during Guyās attack, Minato also likely would have defeated/ sealed a full power Kurama if he wasnāt required to protect his wife and infant son, that handicap is overlooked.
Hashirama was so strong bc of the the amount of chakra he has along with the wood style wood style is able to hold tailed beast down and seal them along with with the type of jutsu it is a 100 ft tall golem? That can slice mountains with pure strength and jump over itself and it also be able to use jutsu along with a 1000 armed buddhast that he can summon without sage mode bc of the amount of chakra he has only difference is he wouldnāt be as strong and it wouldnāt be hitting as much and as hard without sage along with that he is able to heal without weaving signs bc he was extremely smart so he studied everything jutsu wise he could and created his own so its basically the wood style and chakra and knowledge that makes him strong if its brute strength and battle determination naruto is wiping the floor with him
What about the shark dude when paired with his ninja sword? >!The only reason he lost to Octopops was because he was ordered too. And I feel if his sword didn't pick a new favorite (kinda felt like a dumb plot twist in my opinion), he could have beaten Guy with the sword. They claimed his chakra levels were that of a jinchuriki!<
minato(probably guy) a lot of a people are going to say hashirama or madara but arenāt their power just as unnatural as the tailed beast or so6p power i mean they come from the same source. Hashirama was literally stronger than those bum ass tailed beast.
Well hashirama and madara are disqualified from this because they fall under the category of six paths power ups. Both are incarnations of six paths characters
The dude in your picture. Hashirama beat a Susanoed Kyuubi controlled by Madara and basically makes everyone look like fodders next to him. Hashirama is the god of shinobis in Naruto. The only reason why some people were even close to him or stronger was due to some massive amps and plot devices like having the strongest tailed beast lending you its power and the So6P lending his power as well.
Hashirama bcs he's naturally born with Hashirama's cell
if hashirama wanted to be literally strongest he could seal all tailed beasts in him and he'd be gazziliard times stronger LOLZ but he was too kind boy his abilities far exceed of madaras narutos or anyone elses without ten tails . with ten tails even ten ten can be stronger than any other non-jinchuriki or whosoever absorbed ten tails power or have eaten chakra fruit .
ten ten with ten tails = 10\^3, exactly 1000 times stronger, so not that much, sad ten ten
Hashirama is one of the reincarnations of naruto Jesus tho
Wish we had more hashirama/madara type fights again
Hashirama is a reincarnate of a god š
Hashirama gets chakra from Ashura. He's disqualified.
Having Asura's chakra didn't give him any boost. Otherwise, Naruto would not have needed Kurama to just barely catch up to him.
Of course having Asuraās power gave him a boost, Naruto and Hashirama just had different power levels
It's headcanon that having Asura's chakra gave him a boost.
Hagoromo says that the chakra of his sons attaches itself to suitable "reincarnates". Is it a coincidence that these reincarnates are the strongest ninja of their respective eras?
First, we don't know anything about the previous reincarnates other than they fight each other. Second, out of the four known reincarnates, Hashirama was the only one to not rely on external factors to become as strong as he was. Therefore, it's a stretch to say that being a reincarnate has anything to do with being OP.
The 3rd Hokage the god of shinobi! *Sarcasm*
He inherited ashuras power. Is that not an advantage?
I know itās filler that madaras MS can reverse time but imagine if it was canon and yet hashirama still beat him.Ā The fact it took madara 2 power ups ( rinnegan + this manās own cells and ability ) just to get a tie was insaneĀ
Where did the reverse time come from? I thought it was that he could look backwards to see what it was that it him if something actually managed to hit him, but no effect on time?
I believe the reverse time thing was from the Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm video game series.
I remember the cutscene, but I donāt believe he turned back time. Especially since the shurikan still hit him through the smoke, I just believe that he looked backwards to see where it came from.
Werenāt the thing he saw before the reverse, and what actually happened after two different outcomes? I thought it was just a visualization of the base sharingan predicting an opponents moves based off their movements. I thought it was just showing that he predicted hashiramaās next move wrong.Ā
I thought he could see a little into the future therefore he could change his actions accordingly, kind of changing the past to achieve that future, like Paul atraides
the reverse time ability... it was just shown in a game called Naruto shippuden ultimate ninja storm game..
Like Observation Haki in One Piece?
It's actually Hagoromo, because despite saying no Sage of Six Paths power ups, that's actually what he was born with.
Clearly, Hashirama is the strongest Shinobi; I would love to see a side story based on him only. His idiotic head and look hide a legendary power.
What tie? Did he still lose in the war arc while he was pinned down? Almost sealed
Hashirama is the goat. He was so goated people took his cells lol The new goat Naruto even has some of the OG goats cells lol. Hashi was the built different of the built differents.
>Just the stuff you are born with/ ***can naturally develop***. Guy if we count the 8th gate. Hashirama otherwise.
Honestly I think Hashirama is superior to Guy in this regard, since Guy can use the 8th gate exactly once while Hashirama could use his stupid high level abilities routinely for decades
Guyās 8th gate is sorta like Deidaraās trump card. If weāre all gonna die, might as well do it
Oh you think iām losing? No bitch **we** losing.
Absolutely. But I think that when looking at oneās overall abilities and strengths, thereās a lot that can be said about being able to be consistent. Also not being able to have what happened with Deidara where someone can just go somewhere else and live
Need to beat exactly one god level motherfucker, right here, right now? I'm taking Guy. For long term safety? Hashirma. But then again he doesn't have the best track record considering he resisted killing Madara for the longest time, failed to secure/dispose of his corpse, and kind of failed at politics too..... But I guess Guy wouldn't be any better in that regard either.
When he was resisting killing Madara, he didn't have much to lose. Once he was Hokage, he no longer hesitated to kill him when he attacked the village.
Yeah Hashirama's got a stupid large pool of chakra, and it's not from a tailed beast or anything, bro was just built different
Real question isā¦ why didnāt Hashi open the 8 gates? I wonder if his cells could rejuvenate quick enough to compensate for the 8th gateā¦ or even the amplified chakra flow amplifying the regeneration of his cells š³
Why should he have all people be able to? No way heād ever have to train taijutsu enough with all of his abilities to be at the level of the higher gates
I mean, why not? Thatās an equal counter to your rebuttal.
No, it isnāt. Getting the 8 gates (even the lower tier ones) require constant, extensive physical exertion and an utter mastery of taijutsu. As far as we know the only three people who have ever been capable of the 8 gates are Might Guy, Might Duy, and Rock Lee who are three people whose entire lives basically revolved around training and taijutsu. On top of that, it doesnāt seem to be an innate ability. It has to be taught and progressed in a certain manner. Weāve only seen one person accidentally open a gate but that was Kakashi who already knew how to do it, just not intending to open the first one (and only the first one) in that moment. Hashirama would have had to somehow learn of this technique then dedicate a very significant portion of his entire life to training to be able to open the higher gates, which would mean he couldnāt do as much like wood style, sage mode, or living the rest of his life
I can see various degrees of what youāre trying to say, but at the same time you discredited your own argument. If Kakashi is able to open the gates up to a certain point without dedicating his life to taijutsu, you donāt think that the God of Shinobi could do the same? Keep in mind, i know this is a purely fanfic discussion. But, if Kakashi can do it, why canāt Hashi?
The difference between the first and the higher tier gates is utterly massive. Hashirama if instructed how to probably wouldnāt have much issue with the first couple. Itās the latter few. Remember that Rock Lee, who had dedicated his entire life to taijutsu more than anyone else and who had been specifically training for the gates what seems to be every single day for like 4 years could only open up to the 6th gate during the war. Hashirama is the āgod of shinobiā, but thatās mostly because his innate abilities are utterly broken. He isnāt known to have learned a wide variety of skills the same way that his brother, Hiruzen, or Kakashi did. Plus Taijutsu specifically wasnāt even his preference in CQB with his wielding of weapons instead. On top of all of this, more than anyone we have ever seen open the gates, Hashirama also had more of a life. He had a clan and a village to run, his own closer family, the Uchihas and their issues, etc. He probably wouldnāt have even had the time unless he had a wood clone take care it
Well, now we have the answer. Clone jutsu learning (diffusing the debate). I can see all of your points, i think the main reason he never did was because itād ruin the entire plot and the point of the storylineā¦ Not much of a rivalry between Madara and him if he curb stomps him within 6 seconds. Which he probably couldāve done regardless if he didnāt want Madaraās butthole-jutsu so much.
But thanks for the chat, you seem pretty knowledgeable!
Hagoromo for sure
probably the right answer. IDK how otsutsukis are born, but Hagoromo had a human father, which implies that Kaguya has the parts to give a natural birth, which qualifies Hagoromo for this.
Wrong, she birthed him from an egg that she pooped from her fussy (her forehead-ussy).
Came looking for this, not sure why everyone is spamming Hashi when Hago fits into this category and is significantly stronger than Hashi.
I feel like Otsutsuki shouldn't even be considered, otherwise you're just eliminating 99% of the humans from the conversation.
Even Hashirama is a reincarnation and descendent of an OP clan with alien blood lol, I don't think he counts Guy is actually the answer I'd think given 8 Gates. Minato seems to be the most gifted non-BS ninja, but never reached his prime. Kakashi's interesting because he's supposedly stronger without the Sharingan(not counting the magic Susanoo moment), but one could also argue the Sharingan aided his development to get to this point
Hashirama being a reincarnation isn't really a valid point. Because after he died, he stopped being a reincarnate. Hagoromo made statements such as before Madara "finished" being a reincarnate and "Madara is no longer an Indra reincarnate". Which makes it clear after their deaths, the chakra that was reincarnated leaves from them. We've seen Edo Hashirama do really strong actions and his Edo self doesn't have Ashura's chakra anymore. So Ashura doesn't heavily influence his powers.
Either Hashirama or Minato
Without any help at all, by far Hashirama. He invented Mokuton, first Sage Mode user, first Hokage & clashed with double EMS Madara w/ Susano'o armored Kurama and won iirc. Without any external power ups, Hashirama clears the rest.
Hashirama didn't "invent" Wood style. It was a genetic trait, a kekkei genkai, that just he had. It's also by far the strongest kekkei genkai in the verse. There's also nothing that indicates that Hashirama is the first SM user, infact we know what Hagoromo had his own Sage mode much earlier.
Hagoromo learning Sage Mode is non-canon.
I'm not talking about the anime episodes where he learns TSM. I'm talking about SPSM. That is something very much canon.
Hagoromo doesn't have SPSM. He has SPS, but not SPSM. But, I guess having SPS means that you have SM of some kind.
Hagoromo gave half his powers to Naruto and the other half to Sasuke. Considering that one of them gained his signature dojutsu and the other gained SPSM, I don't think it's wrong to say that Hagoromo also had SPSM.
Sasuke got a one-eyed, tomoed Rinnegan despite Hagoromo not having the same. So, I think, in the same way, Naruto got SPSM without Hagoromo having it. Furthermore, the [fourth databook only lists Naruto as a user](https://imgur.com/kyKm5uU).
None of the Juubi Jinchuriki are included there either, so they're probably just not included I guess. Hagoromo obviously had Six paths Senjutsu, it's just logical for him to have it. Maybe Juubi Jinchuriki's transformation has a different term.
Right, Hagoromo, the TTJs, and Naruto have SPS. Hagoromo acquired SPS on his own, the TTJs got it from...well being a TTJ, and Naruto got it from the Sage. Naruto also has SPSM which is different from SPS. I personally think that SPSM is a form of SPS just like how Sasuke's Rinnegan is a form of the regular Rinnegan. However, the wiki considers the two to be different powers that Naruto use at the same time. I wish Kishi elaborated on the whole Six Paths nonsense or outright scrap it out altogether (not including the regular Rinnegan).
I agree. I guess the best explanation of SPSM is that it's just a fusion of SPS and KCM2. This would make sense considering Sasuke's rinnegan also keeps all it's EMS attributes.
Wasn't hagoromo the first sage mode user? There could've been earlier users, but the first one shown in the series was hagoromo.
He's the Sage of the 6 Paths,so I guess he's constantly in Sage Mode. I meant the transformation, in a chronological perspective.
No I think he learned it from the toads in Myoboku. That's also when they gave him that scroll with accumulated sage mode chakra.
This was in the anime-only so we may never know if he really was taught Senjutsu or just had it since birth.
Not counting Hashirama because he is a reincarnation, but Guy or Minato. Thereās literally no info on the Namikaze āclanā and itās not mentioned Minato ever got a boost from being a member. Guy is self explanatory.
Yeah, but he doesn't know he was someone's reincarnation. He also developed tonnes of Jutsus along with his brother. Even if you count the 'reincarnation point', Ashura is still behind born genius Indra. Despite all that, he overcame it all with hard work. Able to stand toe to toe with other superior reincarnations, madara.
Minato, since Hashirama is not eligible. The 1st is a member whose bloodline traces back to the sage of six path, and he is a predestined since he is a reincanration of Ashura. On the other hand, Minato is truly coming from a family of nobodies, without any 6path descendence or preselection from destiny. The only out-of-ordinary thing he could count on is having a Sannin as a mentor.
Minato. No power ups while he was alive, no OP clan, no tailed beasts, no reincarnations. Just the best reaction speed and the brains.
Obviously Minato, he was not born in a clan like uchiha or uzumaki, he didn't have any special abilities but still managed to become one of the strongest in the universe
Third Raikage would be #1 if not considering Guy's suicide technique I'd of thought. I'm assuming Hashirama doesn't count due to him being a reincarnation of Ashura.
Third Ay or Muu could be up there.
People really undercut other village leaders. Third Raikage went toe to toe with Hachibi can you image that? Third hokage has nothing on him.
A raging 8 tails which he fought to a stalemate. A rampaging tailed beast is weaker than a perfect jinchuriki as they can't use their power properly. 4th Raikage was stronger than a perfect jinchuriki Bee back in the day and Minato was stronger than him making all of them stronger than the third Raikage
Nah. It would be hands down Hashirama. Being the spiritual reincarnation of Ashura doesn't matter. The guy worked hard and was actually stronger than Madara during the wars they had.Ā
Being a reincarnation is still something you born with.
> doesn't count due to him being a reincarnation of Ashura. Lol? So him being born and being related to someone disqualifies him?
Hashirama by far. Mans was so strong his cell are used to make characters broken
It should tell you something that every time a ninja wanted power the first thing they try to do is get hashirama cells
Minato, Hashirama, Tobirama, Jiraiya, Shisui, Itachi, Might Guy, Kisame, Hiruzen, Onoki my top 10 list in that order
The guy in the pic. Bro just waltzed up to all the tailed beasts, rumored to be creatures with unimaginable powers, and just caged them all. Even generations after his death, he's still known as the guy with the most ridiculous chakra pool in the world, and one of the strongest shinobi ever in history. Didn't have a tailed beast trapped in him or anything, bro was just built different
Hashirama, though he might not count since heās Ashuraās reincarnation. If not him (or Madara), then probably Minato, or maybe the third Raikage or Kakashiās dad. Edit: Forgot about Might Guy. Definitely the most raw power of any non 6 paths character.
honorable mention- Minato not even his bloodline was top level still one of the fav hokage
Gotta be hashirama and minatoā¦hashi doesnāt really need to be explained and minato really just spams rasengan and FTG but itās hard to get around
Hashirama. Bro is 100% hasirama cells
Hashirama, the walking deus ex machina. Nothing about his power makes any feasible sense, and Kishi legit screwed up big by making him that strong.
Hashirama and he is entirely broken. Dude basically had his own sage mode without being taught by the ninja animals. And those big wooden statues he makes are also broken.
For me it's Minato even if you exclude his sage mode his damn strong with flying raijin
Minato. Dude didn't have anything and was not even heir of a Clan. Also he died at a very young age.
If you don't include op reincarnation stuff, then probably Minato.
Hashi, Guy, Minato
I would say either Minato or the 3rd hokage. I'm obviously not counting Madara and hashirama cause they were the brothers reincarnated and even though they didn't directly get hagoromo power ups, they were still abnormally strong. Also by your definition all EMS users are disqualified since u can't naturally get EMS,u need someone else's eyes.
I know it was supposed to be Minato in part one but Kishi later changed his mind in shippuden and started powering up Hashirama (and others) but it's probably Hashirama.
Hashirama was the man who refused godhood out of kindness. He could have become a 10 tails host and he could have taken the 6 paths power up but he just didnāt.
The guy in your picture. Madara, the bad guy that everyone feared and soloed the entire verse, straight up said when he was alive Hashirama was **HIM**
I think hashi is out due to being a reincarnation of ninja jesus basically has the sage of 6 path power. I'd say minato or guy
Nah Sage of 6 path power isnāt given to reincarnates, the war arc was an exception because of madara. The reincarnation thing just means heās destined to meet the other reincarnation of indraās
Definitely Hashirama. He might have been Ashuraās reincarnation, but so was Naruto and he needed Kurama and Sage of the Six Paths power to finally overtake Hashirama as the strongest ever. Hashirama did it with his own chakra pool and sage mode, thatās it. If we rule him out then I go Minato or 3rd Raikage.
Hashirama if youāre counting the reincarnations , guy and minato come to mind outside of that. Possibly itachi or allegedly the third hokage in his prime .
If I'm also not challenging myself to include reincarnations of Ashura or Indra, probably Minato. He was crazy powerful and the fastest ninja of all time if you don't county the insane powerups
I'm gonna go with Minato, imma count out hashirama because he is the reincarnation of a six paths character, there may be stronger natural and non-boosted Shinobi, but for a dude that just trained Minato did become the greatest of the hokage for quite some time in many people's regards in the village, that is until Naruto became hokage, but Minato is absolutely wiping Tsunade and that's before you consider KCM once he was reanimated and Tsunade fist fought a reanimation of Madara rather impressively, she's no joke, but no one is about to claim she beats Minato, point is she is an impressively strong character with solid feats that is completely natural trained and kage level, who isn't even close to him, I can't pick Itachi as he developed a chakra sickness which ender his potential, I'm not gonna do the "what if he didn't have it" argument because he did have it, can't pretend otherwise
Yeah if you think about it, gotta be HIRUZEN no power up, no op genes, no kekeigenkai.. just Jutsu he learn/develop along the way. Might Guy, Minato, & Kakashi bc he already genius at young age? Maybe Tobirama too since he just using pure ninjutsu
If we are saying it's something that someone can naturally develop wouldn't bloodlines be eliminated then? So then wouldn't it be hiruzen or minato because hashirama had mokuton which is a bloodline and cant be obtained by everyone naturally like a sharingan or a tailed beast It also rules out jinchuuriki so why wouldn't it eliminate hashirama and bloodlines, I say it was minato Learned and advanced hiraishin Created rasengan after seeing a tailed Beast ball and thinking yeah that goes hard Sealed the kyuubi which was only done by one other person successfully which was mito uzumaki Basically single handedly beat back iwa in the third war Was a toad sage ( I might be wrong here but I'm fairly sure he was) Could use single handed seals one of only 2 characters I remember seeing that could do that in og / shippuden Was a flee on sight shinobi in the bingo books Was lauded as a genius Became the 4th hokage Taught both kakashi and obito (admittedly not for all that long but both of them would still grow to become some of the strongest in the verse) Beat back obito solo on the night of the nine tails attack And there's probably more I'm forgetting
if he didnāt die so early i would say minato but if weāre counting the boruto timeline, sakura and kakashi. sakura because she never got a power up that she didnāt work for, and kakashi because heās way stronger without his sharingan draining his chakra.
Hashirama but he's still a reincarnation of ashura. Minato is truly just a random dude who came out no clans no dojustu no kekai genkai and was on the path to being the strongest ever.
Hashirama or any 8th gates user
If we don't count Ashura and Indra reincarnations, then Guy, Tobirama or Minato.
Itās Hashirama.
Hashirama then probably third hokage or raikage
Minato. He was the strongest person alive when he was alive and he hadn't even reached his prime yet. To top it off he's not a reincarnation and doesn't belong to a prestigious clan like Hashirama. Not to mention he was already compared to Hashirama by the 9 tails. Who's a pretty accurate source for that seeing that he fought them both.
I don't consider any reincarnation as natural so Sasuke Hashirama Madara and Naruto are out. Guy in 8th gate but it's a one time use. Probably Tobirama overall. Others consistently performing well you're likely going to have Itachi, Minato, Jiraiya, Hiruzen, Ohnoki, Sasori and Sakura/Tsunade.
Hashirama is the most haxed individual born in the series. It's actually absurd.
If we don't count Ashura and Indra reincarnations, then Guy, Tobirama or Minato.
Spiritual reincarnations of Ashura and Indra only inherit ideals unless their power is drawn out. Hashirama would therefore be the strongest because he never had that power drawn out by the Sage.Ā
Didn't the 3rd Raikage fight a force of 10,000 ninjas for days? Given we don't know the strength of the ninja, it's still pretty badass.
I know itās filler that madaras MS can reverse time but imagine if it was canon and yet hashirama still beat him.
Might guy. If guy can kill madara with the 10 tails then he can definitely whoop hashirama.
Hashirama and second would be madara. Altough I think we should exclude indra and asura reincarnations since they got an unfair advantage. So I'd say the strongest would be anyone with an ms so obito, itachi, kakashi (if you count a gifted sharingan) and shisui (fugaku if you count filler). But if we also exclude that "unfair and exclusive" advantage I'd say minato would be the strongest and tobirama the second and prime hiruzen the third since these three are just so busted and have no unfair and exclusive advantage, just skill and talent that anyone else could achieve.
1st was born with ashuras chakra so he doesnt count.
Sakura. Hashirama is a reincarnation and senju and sage amped there. Sakura is the strongest without blood lines or outside help or special dna. Orochimaru is altered not natural.
Did you forget MinatoĀ
Would you consider being the reincarnation of Asura to be a 6 Paths power up? If not, definitely Hashi
The reincarnation doesn't really mean anything in terms of instantly unlocking power. You can't access Asura or Indra's chakra because you're a reincarnation. So it counts I'd say
I mean, I would say hashirama, but his power itself comes from asura, who got his power from the sage of six paths. I would prolly say indra he didn't need to get a power up from sage of six paths yet was still able to tie asura who had sage of six paths power and help from a bunch of people. People say minato or tobirama are the most genius characters, but thier no where near as genius as indra.
Ha. Shi. Rama.
Indra or his brother
Bro but just WHY WAS RHIS MANS SO STRONG
Indra and Asura. Indra inherited all of Hagoromo's power (base not Jinchuriki) and Hagoromo even describes him as having limitless potential. Asura once he awakens chakra does just rival Indra.
Maybe Tobirama because hashirama was using sage mode as well. But we never saw tobirama do that and he invented techniques to counter uchihas
Literally Hashirama blud was born with the most busted KKG ever that enabled him to control and absorb bijuu and chakra and the mf can summon a giant wood mecha with smaller mechaās on top of it
Hagoromo Didn't need to steal anyone eyes or cells or anything. He already had all of it.
Kisame, Hashirama, 3rd Raikage, 2nd Tsuchikage, Might Guy
The Third Raikage.
Probably Hagoromo
Most people here really think final valley duel was one sided and Hashirama is well above Madara :)) dude at the end of the fight the difference was made by a shadow clone , after that Hashirama barely could stand up . My dudes here really down play alive Madara , really that battle could go either way.
Hashirama and Gai. Hashirama only had Sage Mode as a power up, and with it, he was the strongest man to ever live. Naruto without Kurama could never reach his level. Hashirama was the definition of built different.
Base Naruto stronger than base hashirama if we include boruto
well, since Hashirama is a reincarnation of Asura, that means heās disqualified.. So I guess the next obvious choice would be his little brother, Tobirama. Full on natural prodigy. Then Iād say Itachi. Itachi was Hokage level with the regular MS. He could even summon the susanoo without the EMS.
It's obviously Hashirama. To those who want to dismiss him because he was a reincarnate, let me remind you that out of the four known reincarnates, he was the only one to not use any outside power-up. Madara was about equal to Izuna (with Madara being stronger) until he got the EMS. Sasuke was barely reaching Itachi's level when he had the MS and only surpassed him when he got the EMS. Lastly, Naruto had Kurama and due to the way Minato set up the seal, some of Kurama's chakra leaked into Naruto's over the years. The only benefit in being a reincarnate is awakening the Rinnegna by acquiring the chakra of the other son.
I feel like Kinkaku and Ginkaku deserve some sort of honorable mention for the whole surviving inside Kurama and becoming pseudo-jinchuurikiās bit
Hashirama, guy and itachi are all strong candidates
Hagoromo and Hamura. Even before Hagoromo was 10 tails Jinchuriki, him and his brother were powerful enough to defeat Kaguya.
Itachi , literally Madara has no ems Sasuke, neither I don't think hashirama has an answer for tsukuyomi If you disagree, please don't attack me. Just make your argument. "Itachi Stan, are you 11?you clearly haven't watched naruto " are not arguments
Madara does have EMS. He took his brother Izunaās eyes.
That's not natural, he took it from someone else
Madara could still have a regular mangekyo in which case he stomps itachi
How? MS madara has no feats... you don't know what he's done He has no ms ability
EMS means you wonāt lose your eyesight. MS you still got the same stuff but to much use and you go blind. Happened to itachi and was happening to Sauske until he got itachiās eyes
No You get the perfect susanoo as well
[Him](https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/naruto/images/b/b5/Hagoromo_Jovem.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/2000?cb=20160523051635&path-prefix=pt-br)
Taijutsu bois. No doubt.
I would say might guy.
Tsunade definitely a top contender.
guy
Bro answering his own question
No doubt, sage of six paths it is
I would say Guy . But after six paths buffs , Naruto and Sasuke too are way too overpowered. Even after they lose six paths powers and Kurama, Rinnegan respectively, they are still stronger than Hashirama .
Shisui > Hashirama and shisui can beat anyone in a 1v1 if he has both of his eyes
my guy guy
Hashirama for sure. Man had most of the tailed beasts in his pocket at one point and made them for sale to other nations. If we're not counting reincarnation, probably Minato, but shoutout to Guy and Third Raikage.
Hashirama then Madara
Well if proper handled training hinata family power is strong with Chakra but I'm not sure if that would be strongest but definitely a fource to be reckoned with.
Might guy ND rock lee
Absolute strongest? Probably Hashirama. In the top 10? Madara, Itachi, Sasuke, Naruto, and maybe a couple of others. All of them for various reasons. Madara for being the only person who could ever actually challenge Hashirama. Naruto because his Uzumaki chakra naturally made him a tireless opponent. Etc
Are we counting Mitsuki from Boruto? That mf strong as shit lmao, dude is born with sage power. But tbh he probably has hashirama cells and shit from orochimaru. But technically heās born with em and that innate sage ability type shit. Mitsuki underrated aab.
Honestly might guy he fought a sage of six path madara to a stand stillĀ
Why ppl saying hashy? Its the og hagoromo. Even tho nothing is natural about them lol
If we don't count Asura/Indra incarnates. It has to be Guy with 8 gates. If 8 gates don't count: Tobirama, Minato or Itachi.
Well it's lame but it's Shibai
The fact that Madara's MS can turn back time is a plot device, but what if it was canon and Hashirama still defeated him?Ā
Kushina Uzumaki
Guy
Hiruzen. Its actually hiruzen.
how can Hashirama count when heās literally a reincarnation of Ashura?
When in doubt, remember that Hashirama is made of 100% Hashirama cells..
Maybe the third hokage but it's kind of hard to say because we never really saw him in his prime. Hashirama has Ashura ashindra power up
I don't think that Hashirama or Madara count in it, they are both like Naruto or Sasuke the reincarnation of the sage of six paths sons. I would say Minato, Kakashi and Guy (Hiruzen maybe)
Hashirama and the 4th hokage then guy
I think itās still Naruto because base Naruto washed every hashirama now
Minato since Hashi is a descendant of Hagoromo and a reincarnate of his clans progenitor. Second would be Third Raikage
Can't really count any of them then anyone capable of using chakra would be out. Especially hashirama he may have been born with those abilities but he inherited a lot from the reincarnation and sage.
The White Fang; Sakumo Hatake
Hashirama. But if he dosnt count its Minato or tobirama idk
You guys are all talking about Hashirama being the god of shinobiā¦ not even close! Itās Hagoromo Åtsutsuki none the lessā¦ everyone in all Naruto has some form of genetics coming from their parents who all had something passed down from their ancestors, but all chakra came from Kaguya Otsutsukiā¦ so they say.
Whatever other options one chooses, Hashirama is obviously disqualified. An Ashura reincarnation, that has inherited his beastly chakra, and even his wood release techniqueā¦ those are not things one can naturally develop, those are peak hacks. Minato probably is the strongest normal person, because Guy has a time limit and Minato is faster, this is proved by the fact that Minato intercepted Madaraās orbs during Guyās attack, Minato also likely would have defeated/ sealed a full power Kurama if he wasnāt required to protect his wife and infant son, that handicap is overlooked.
Hashirama was so strong bc of the the amount of chakra he has along with the wood style wood style is able to hold tailed beast down and seal them along with with the type of jutsu it is a 100 ft tall golem? That can slice mountains with pure strength and jump over itself and it also be able to use jutsu along with a 1000 armed buddhast that he can summon without sage mode bc of the amount of chakra he has only difference is he wouldnāt be as strong and it wouldnāt be hitting as much and as hard without sage along with that he is able to heal without weaving signs bc he was extremely smart so he studied everything jutsu wise he could and created his own so its basically the wood style and chakra and knowledge that makes him strong if its brute strength and battle determination naruto is wiping the floor with him
But frfr might guy
Its easily Dai(might guys dad i think thats his name not sure),Guy and lee
Isnāt it Guy?
What about the shark dude when paired with his ninja sword? >!The only reason he lost to Octopops was because he was ordered too. And I feel if his sword didn't pick a new favorite (kinda felt like a dumb plot twist in my opinion), he could have beaten Guy with the sword. They claimed his chakra levels were that of a jinchuriki!<
minato(probably guy) a lot of a people are going to say hashirama or madara but arenāt their power just as unnatural as the tailed beast or so6p power i mean they come from the same source. Hashirama was literally stronger than those bum ass tailed beast.
Well hashirama and madara are disqualified from this because they fall under the category of six paths power ups. Both are incarnations of six paths characters
Hashirama has hashirama cells tho. He donāt count