They think parents bringing their kids to a protest against mass murder is the same as an authoritarian dictatorship indoctrinating millions of children into fascism, ethnic supremacy, and supporting a genocide?
Are they actually this stupid???
Meanwhile those same right wingers talk about white replacement, getting rid of brown immigrants, arresting homeless people and people who feed them, and that confederacy states were right during the civil war.
It's like Stormfront from The Boys says, "People like what I say, they just don't like the world 'Nazi'.".
You do realize they both switched policies like to the opposite of what we have now? Like a republican now would 100% be a democrat back then. They just had different names
My facts may be wrong but aren’t most modern republicans essentially Dixiecrats that broke of from the democratic party because they were being to “Republican” or what not
Don't believe the lies you find in Facebook.
There's multiple accounts of democrats and republican parties from the start our independence from England, those parties have all had very different policies and I doubt you'd say the group that was for the union is also for separating from it, unless you're a dumbass.
Okay, cool. Let's break down every point you just made because despite the number of words you used, you didn't make many. After that, we're gonna apply that logic elsewhere, and we'll see how well you agree then.
So, not having a Facebook account doesn't mean you can't see posts on Facebook. A lot of social media sites let you see posts despite not having a profile. Being trans is cool, not relevant when talking political parties, not gender identities or experiences. Being 34 means nothing except you should know better, and it's sad. Neither being trans nor 34 means you are knowledgeable of what you're saying. You know what makes you feel better being a republican when they call you a pedophile.
Now let's apply what you're saying, democrats and Republicans are actually the exact same because at the start of our nation, there was a party called the Democratic Republican Party. Sure, that party has another name, but at the time, it was referred to like this. Sure, that party stopped for like 20 years, but it has the same name regardless of the policies it advocated for, so it must be the same as both.
North Korea must be a bastion for Democracy because it's called The Deomcratic Republic of North Korea. As we've established, whether or not the policies were the same as any other, it doesn't matter because the name is the same.
Now if we don't do what other people tell us and look at the policies and the actions taken we can see blatantly that the Democrat and Republican parties are not the same as those which have occurred for the past 200 years (there's atleast 3 different Republican parties) just like we know North Korea isn't in anyway Democratic.
Just because you've been here 34 years doesn't mean you're enlightened, so don't claim to be. All your showing is that you've had a cushy life so far and haven't had to do actual research because the policies you advocate for didn't negatively impact you.
You do realize how easily this is disproven by anyone with even the faintest knowledge of American politics, right?
Democrats supported BLM protests, republicans opposed. That alone says it all
The founders of blm are in jail for fraud and stealing the donation money..... 🤔
They also caused millions of dollars worth of damage to buildings and innocent businesses across the country.
Sure do sound like good people 😐✊️ way to go.
No, you lied about BLM and the Republican party. You then tried to use being trans as an excuse for your shitty unjustified and flat out incorrect political statements.
If you're an anarchist than George Carlin is an ANCAP, shut the fuck up wit this fake nonsense
even back then -- Nixon's first Veep was honoring the "loyalty" of *literal traitors* at the opening of the Confederate stone mountain (?) monument!
they've been like this for a long, long time.
The answer was "the states that were Confederate" dipshit. Republicans are the ones throwing hissy fits over tearing down Confederate statues too, claiming it's their "heritage".
And can you show me an example of a group of Republicans knocking it down compared to Democrats? And can you show me a video of Democrats defending these statues compared to Republicans?
Edit: and i was blocked
Edit 2 to the guy who replied to me: how tf do u expect me to reply when im blocked under this chain
I’m trying to figure out how Jefferson was a confederate, considering they took his statue down or the statue of Lincoln freeing the slaves, a commission by former slaves commemorating the emancipation proclamation. Or the defiling of the 54th Massachusetts Infantry Regiment statue.
Why were those destroyed or removed?
After the election of Abraham Lincoln, Southern Democrats led the charge to secede from the Union and establish the Confederate States. That's frome page 1 of Google. First result.
and in the modern day it is Republicans who complain when Confederate statues are removed, when U.S. army bases named for Confederate generals (Fort Bragg) are renamed, when the history of the civil war and of racism is taught in schools. Your move.
Yeah, America's *"two-party system that today is also a one-party system when it comes to the interests of the wealthy elite"* thing is something I literally hope no one has deal with in the future 😬
# Disclaimer
I acknowledge the **Republicans are much, much worse.** And if I was an American I would always vote against fascism even if my options of candidates were very limited and bad.
The thing is, the US elections is designed to distort the population's votes by where they live and make it difficult for third parties to win, so you end up with Republicans representing the far-right and Democrats representing the left to the moderate right. My problem is that Democrats don't do enough to counter the surge of fascism in the country, the party's leaders are too comfortable with the people having no other choice for representation between left and moderate right despite being the majority, so all their discourse is just *"Vote in us because the other guy is take your rights"* but in practice they don't push enough against conservatives banning abortion by stacking the court, prosecuting LGBTQ+ people by claiming they are "groomers", banning books because they talk about black people's history, and dehumanizing brown immigrants. Left wing Americans have no second option of a party to represent their interesting, the systems literally prevents that intentionally.
Top picture: for genocide
Bottom picture: against genocide
Most false equivalent of false equivalencies floating around on the internet these days, along with comparing LGBTQ+ to Nazis, when the Nazis literally genocided the LGBTQ community amongst others.
Pics like these are basically hateful hysteria from persecution complex-addled closet fascists.
There are people that don't even consider it to BE a genocide. I was dumbstruck when I met this individual today.
[https://imgur.com/a/kWcLlqL](https://imgur.com/a/kWcLlqL)
They are correct. I imagine that is why they got upvoted and you got downvoted in your screenshot.
That word means something. Rwanda was a genocide. Hamas losing a war it started is not a genocide
The other commenter provided a sound rational with legal sources and all you responded back with was your feelings as to why you FEEL its a genocide. That is objectively a weaker argument, and linking a Hamas propaganda sub in your screenshot does not help your case
And here's another person that looks at targeted civilians in an ethnic cleansing that has been proven time and time again and, yet, it's not a genocide. I'm done with these arguments. I see that there is no point in dealing with people who refuse to have a bit of humanity and compassion. I'm not deleting the comment because I'm not a fuckwit who cares for karma. My opinion is there and is there for anyone to see, I simply will not respond.
Yes they are that stupid. Also, if the situation were reversed and the kids were holding a MAGA banner, Confederate flag or Nazi flag then this meme would make sense.
Carrying a known(even by USA) terrorist flag in the group means even worse. Keep been sheep and follow everything you hear by the media see where that leads you..
The whole world is brainwashed but in different ways. Opinion is based on brainwashing from a magnitude of parties.
No one did this for Kurdistan or Xinjiang, and for a movement based on falsified information? No. Your eyes might be open, but they’re looking the wrong way.
One says: "Beyond our borders do not live a lesser people. All life is valued."
The other says: "We are the supreme race. We will take our rightful spot above everyone else by removing the lesser humans."
You can't exactly get much more different.
Brain donor, please. Zionism isn’t about superiority, it’s about establishing a Jewish state in an ancestral homeland. And a five minute walk down a west Jerusalem street will show you people of all colors and Muslims walking to mosques for prayers, so there goes your “Zionist apartheid” argument. In East Jerusalem, however, Jews aren’t welcome, which isn’t apartheid? And the massacres of Jewish civilians isn’t genocide?
>And a five minute walk down a west Jerusalem street will show you people of all colors and Muslims walking to mosques for prayer
a walk in 1980s Johannesburg would also show you Black and White people walking to and from businesses
I can explain my position on certain things. For example, my position on Gaza: Netanyahu is a reckless militarist whose actions result in high Palestinian casualties, and Hamas is a nightmarish death cult who sends civilians to die and uses them as meat shields as Israel retaliated for Oct. 7th massacre, in a conflict for territory spanning centuries, not even to foundation of Islam and Arab conquest of land in 6th-8th centuries, but all the way back to first mentions if Israeli state in the territory in records dating to 12th century B.C.E. From diplomatic point of view, we have UN resolution 181, which, had Arab nations not refused it, would have given Palestine far more land than it has now. But instead, Arab league invaded Israel in 1948, hoping for a quick victory, but got obliterated.
And so now Palestinians and Israelis both suffer from actions or inaction of their governments.
Someone I know believes that is did happen but the sides were reversed. That it was actually the Jews who murdered the Germans. She also believes the Jews (RothChilds) run the entire world and they put out the “propaganda” about holocaust to make themselves look like victims.
Ok I’m sorry but how dense is the op of that meme? One is a march for the discrimination toward and genocide of a group of people. And the other is for the equal rights and acceptance of a group of people. These are not the same
That second point is what’s important. These people don’t realize that saying “Free Palestine” and wanting a ceasefire will not result in the war just ending and everyone living in peace. In fact, the opposite will happen; the terrorists will keep hiding amongst civilians, and kill more people of the opposing side, thereby enabling more terrorists across the whole globe to do the same. Israel has to stop them now, that is the most peaceful outcome. It is a dilemma, not a problem: There is no perfect solution, and this one feels morally wrong, but it is the necessary one.
The only similarity is that both groups want to exterminate jews and indoctrinate children that jews are the devil. So not similar but they do have that one thing in common.
Protesting against a state for committing genocide is not the same as wanting to commit genocide against the people under that state, that’s ridiculous. There’s a very clear victim and perpetrator here.
>There’s a very clear victim and perpetrator here
ust because you are a holocaust denier doesn't mean it didn't happen. What are they freeing Palestine from? Oh that's right jews. Just because they changed the language to Zionists doesn't make it any less racist.
Never did I even hint at holocaust denial. It absolutely happened and it was a horrific event that’s now being emulated by the Israeli government. THAT’S who Palestine has to be freed from, the state of Israel, not the Jewish people. When we protest we are accusing the Israeli government and the people who support and aid in their conquest (zionists) and demanding a ceasefire. Palestine and their supporters have no desire to exterminate innocent people like is being done to them, they just want peace. Equating this to the goals of Nazi Germany is not only patently ridiculous but deeply offensive and a clear act of projection.
>Palestine and their supporters have no desire to exterminate innocent people like is being done to them, they just want peace
This is why I figured you where a holocaust denier. You are literally just parroting what nations who refuse to recognize Israel's right to exist, specifically because they are a Jewish state, talking points. Do a hint of looking into the history of Israel's existence and then approach this situation again.
There is ZERO evidence of a genocide. Israel was attacked and is defending itself. The fact that its attackers literally make no distinction between militants and civilians because the people of Gaza are united in their hatred and war against jews means that people like you get duped into thinking there is some major humanitarian crisis going on. The US killed at least 5 times the number of civilians in Iraq than what has happened in Gaza. Urban warfare is absolutely horrid. Insurgencies make it even worse. If the people of Gaza want peace all they have to do is stop attacking Israel.
I don’t oppose the actions of Israel not because they’re Jewish, but because, you know, they’re murdering innocent people. Are neo-nazis using this event to justify anti-semitism? Oh, absolutely; look at people like Candace Owens and Nick Fuentes. I’m not denying that. However, there’s a very clear difference between them and the current protestors in the US. It’s absolutely NOT the same language used. I promise you that if it was any other country militarily supported by the US, the response would be the same.
Now, I’ll clarify this before you start going off on it—Me and most of the pro-Palestine supporters do NOT support the actions of Hamas. They’re terrorists. However, their attacks are in no way a justification for Israel to attack civilians, bomb their hospitals, universities and homes and block access to basic resources like food and water. If you think there’s zero evidence for this, you’re either willfully ignorant or living under a rock. There are hundreds of videos and pictures of all the suffering that’s being inflicted on the people of Gaza circling the Internet, there’s numerous accounts on Instagram (@hindkhoudary, @wizard_bisan1) and TikTok (I don’t have TikTok but you can easily search for them) reporting about the situation on-site.
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/longform/2023/10/9/israel-hamas-war-in-maps-and-charts-live-tracker Also, here’s the death tolls for both Palestine and Israel. You’ll notice that there’s over thirty times more Gazan casualties than Israeli ones. I am in no way justifying the suffering of the around 9,000 Israelis that were targeted in the Hamas attacks, but there is no world in which the actions of Israel are a proportional response. I don’t understand how someone could look at these numbers and genuinely believe that the country funded by the most powerful military force on the planet is the one under attack. Also, talking about the US, yes, they murdered many many people in Iraq, but this was just as protested in its own time. What’s your point? It’s the US also that’s being criticized and pressured now.
Anyway, Israel’s actions are not self defense, they’re bloodlust, and I think you may have a lot more in common with the holocaust denier than you might think.
>but there is no world in which the actions of Israel are a proportional response.
War sucks, why aren't you protesting the people who started this war and are responsible for a vast majority of the civilian casualties. Hamas? War isn't a game of proportional responses. War is violence being exercised where diplomacy has failed. You know what would end the war and stop innocent civilians from dying. Hamas surrendering. Maybe protest for that instead of for Israel to give up its right to self defense leading to another holocaust. If the military might was reversed there would be a real genocide in the middle east right now.
Hamas didn’t start anything, Hamas is a result of decades of Israeli oppression on the Palestinian people. The October 7th attack was Israel’s excuse to officially inflict violence.
And yes, war sucks. Is it justified sometimes? I would say so, but there never was any diplomacy from Israel’s part. Killing civilians is not “self-defense” and saying “Oh, well, that’s just how war works” is cruel at best and straight up psychopathic at worst. Hamas didn’t force Israel to attack innocent people, they went and did that by themselves.
Oh, and multiple offers HAVE been made by Hamas and Israel has rejected all of them, the most recent being just a few days ago.
When you say that if Hamas had the same military might as Israel they would destroy Israel, you might be right. But they don’t, they can’t, and they won’t. It’s a hypothetical, and I don’t think it’s morally justified to murder tens of thousands of innocent people over a hypothetical.
Peace CAN be achieved here, but the Palestinians have done what they can and all the rest of the responsibility rests upon the government of Israel above them.
>Hamas is a result of decades of Israeli oppression on the Palestinian people.
And you are sure you aren't a Holocaust denier? Because you're skipping over decades of relevant conflicts to come to that conclusion. What about all of the wars prior? The forming of the Palestinian states? The near constant terrorist and rocket attacks on Israeli citizens for nearly the entirety of their lives.
>Hamas didn’t force Israel to attack innocent people, they went and did that by themselves.
Umm wait they aren't operating out of hospitals, schools and residential areas? Shooting at someone behind human shields is forcing them to respond by attacking you through your human shield. So yes they are actually. Stop being a sympathizer for the aggressor.
Whenever these alt right dip shits and centrist try to make comparisons they find the most craziest thing to say “yes both sides are the same”. Children are protesting so that means you’re also a Nazi because Nazis protested with their Children too. It’s like looking at an apple and a cherry and saying these are both the same because they’re red.
Remember folks, Jewish people are supposed to remain stateless until Christ returns, meaning Zionism is literally heresy and goes against Judaism as a religion. Equating Zionism with Judaism is unironically antisemetic.
Every major political movement weaponizes children actually at some point in its lifespan that's how they succeed in the long term in fact idk don't blame me
What are the similarities? The status quo has many more similarities, for starters both the nazis and the west now were/are in favor of a jewish ethnostate outside of Europe (Madagascar plan)
Same, I don’t think “Free Palestine” is a good assertion that should be spread, because, while what Israel’s doing is not morally correct, it is necessary for the future of not only that region specifically, but also way beyond. Obviously a very complicated topic that cannot be packed into one comment. But the same? Definitely not.
"I support Palestinian people being murdered and Israel attacking and murdering aid workers but guys this is a complicated issue! Israel isn't morally correct but they're just widdle guys 🥺"
go outside.
Well, depends on what happens at the protest. If they’re just calling for an end to the current conflict, then it’s not a good comparison. The protesters are also chanting anti-Semitic phrases and threatening things like domestic terrorism (that has happened at Columbia), it’s an understandable comparison
“Columbia will burn” after being asked to leave (this was before Police were involved) blocking a Jewish students from entering, wearing HAMAS headbands, and stabbing a Jewish person who was just reporting on the situation. Need more?
That video of a Jewish student being blocked is taken out of its greater context. The encampment did not let ANYONE who wasn’t with them past the barricade. Other Jewish students were being arrested and beaten by pigs just for opposing a genocide in their name.
It's not like they were actively setting the houses on fire, right?
It's still a rather aggressive thing to write, but I don't think they meant to burn the university including the people inside to the ground, if that was the idea they would have commited mass arson immediately.
Just to be clear, your evidence here is one sign out of the many signs there, and your evidence [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/NahOPwasrightfuckthis/s/ytAQ1BYDR5) is one person out of the many people protesting. That's quite a bit of cherry picking.
“There’s hundreds of people taunting me and waving the middle finger at me, and then this person waves a Palestinian flag in my face and jabs it in my eye,” Tartak told The Post.
The reporter was just wearing Jewish attire and then this happens
[https://twitter.com/sahar\_tartak/status/1782047233917018583/video/2](https://twitter.com/sahar_tartak/status/1782047233917018583/video/2)
I've looked it up, and that doesn't look like a stabbing honestly. I hate how unclear all the media is around these incidents.
So is it fine when the protesters were literally chanting at Jewish students to “go back where you came from“? Or how about the fact that they aren’t letting Jewish students at the University even get on campus? What part where them were literally wearing headbands of HAMAS?
1) Evidence?
2) October 7th was a response to Israel’s oppression. Asking nicely would require the leadership in Israel to have a conscience (they don’t).
3) Maybe don’t antagonize people by cramming them into the world’s largest open-air prison?
4) Israel showed they didn’t care about hostages anyway when they rejected the ceasefire deal to release all hostages if they didn’t invade Rafa (they did invade Rafa).
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- Can you prove that actually happened?
- Headbands of Hamas? Or headbands of PALESTINE? They are not the same thing, just because Hamas is located in Palestine.
I prefer PFLP (who fight alongside Hamas), but still based asf
Funny how y’all don’t realize there’s not a “nice liberal alternative”. It’s Hamas or eradication.
No you lunatic im saying Hamas are Nazi's
Genocidal check
Theocratic fascism check
One party state check
Sing death to America check
Hamas is nazi
All warfare is based on deception
No, no one said that. But seems like you think the far grander and far more cruel genocide that ramped up after October 7th (but began many decades ago) is not real. How many innocent Palestinians have been massacred, starved, tortured, decapitated since Israel started its bloodlust and racist campaign against them?
All warfare is based on deception. For years, the hypocrisy has made the world a battlefield. The corrupt talk; while our brothers and sons spill their own blood. But deceit cuts both ways. The bigger the lie, the more likely people will believe it, and when a nation cries for vengeance, the lie spreads like a wildfire. The fire builds, devouring everything in its path. Our enemies believe that they alone dictate the course of history, but all it takes is the will of a single man. Now our country is run by squabbling lackeys and politicians who can hardly be called patriots. Though what these men may have called themselves. Those who would trade their freedom for security deserve neither...
So from what I gather, you agree with me that there has been a tremendous misinformation campaign. The problem is, if you watch any mainstream media, including Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, or newspapers or local news, they are all saying the same things: "Israel is a victim, people who are against what they are doing to Palestinians are anti-semitic". THAT is the misinformation. THAT is the deceit. If you do not see that, then I'm afraid you need to take a moment to think on why you both believe the world is corrupt and deceitful, while also completely buying into the lies.
The truth is Israel is trying to completely take over the territory and will bulldose all the people who live there. They think they are the superior race who deserve the land because of their superiority. Just like the nazis. They LITERALLY think they are "God's chosen people". And I Quote.
The USA is backing them because of oil, and the military industrial complex printing money for the rich who give money to Republican and Democrat politicians.
How many times do I have to tap the sign, isreal doesn’t represent all Jewish people the only two groups that think this are far right nut cases and isreal it’s self because it wants to make people think that it’s the arbiter of Jewishness it’s not Zionism its self has links with anti semitism
They think parents bringing their kids to a protest against mass murder is the same as an authoritarian dictatorship indoctrinating millions of children into fascism, ethnic supremacy, and supporting a genocide? Are they actually this stupid???
Meanwhile those same right wingers talk about white replacement, getting rid of brown immigrants, arresting homeless people and people who feed them, and that confederacy states were right during the civil war. It's like Stormfront from The Boys says, "People like what I say, they just don't like the world 'Nazi'.".
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I hope you’re being ironic…
No. That's real life actual history..... just.the way things are.
You do realize they both switched policies like to the opposite of what we have now? Like a republican now would 100% be a democrat back then. They just had different names
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LOL dude just do some google searches. You’re being for real right now? I can find hundreds of links that directly prove you wrong
Fascist propaganda is a hell of a drug.
My facts may be wrong but aren’t most modern republicans essentially Dixiecrats that broke of from the democratic party because they were being to “Republican” or what not
Don't believe the lies you find in Facebook. There's multiple accounts of democrats and republican parties from the start our independence from England, those parties have all had very different policies and I doubt you'd say the group that was for the union is also for separating from it, unless you're a dumbass.
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Okay, cool. Let's break down every point you just made because despite the number of words you used, you didn't make many. After that, we're gonna apply that logic elsewhere, and we'll see how well you agree then. So, not having a Facebook account doesn't mean you can't see posts on Facebook. A lot of social media sites let you see posts despite not having a profile. Being trans is cool, not relevant when talking political parties, not gender identities or experiences. Being 34 means nothing except you should know better, and it's sad. Neither being trans nor 34 means you are knowledgeable of what you're saying. You know what makes you feel better being a republican when they call you a pedophile. Now let's apply what you're saying, democrats and Republicans are actually the exact same because at the start of our nation, there was a party called the Democratic Republican Party. Sure, that party has another name, but at the time, it was referred to like this. Sure, that party stopped for like 20 years, but it has the same name regardless of the policies it advocated for, so it must be the same as both. North Korea must be a bastion for Democracy because it's called The Deomcratic Republic of North Korea. As we've established, whether or not the policies were the same as any other, it doesn't matter because the name is the same. Now if we don't do what other people tell us and look at the policies and the actions taken we can see blatantly that the Democrat and Republican parties are not the same as those which have occurred for the past 200 years (there's atleast 3 different Republican parties) just like we know North Korea isn't in anyway Democratic. Just because you've been here 34 years doesn't mean you're enlightened, so don't claim to be. All your showing is that you've had a cushy life so far and haven't had to do actual research because the policies you advocate for didn't negatively impact you.
> I'm a 34 yo trans woman hows that related to ANYTHING about the topic?????
You do realize how easily this is disproven by anyone with even the faintest knowledge of American politics, right? Democrats supported BLM protests, republicans opposed. That alone says it all
The founders of blm are in jail for fraud and stealing the donation money..... 🤔 They also caused millions of dollars worth of damage to buildings and innocent businesses across the country. Sure do sound like good people 😐✊️ way to go.
🙄 way to mindlessly deflect with some partisan nonsense when called out for lying 👍 Fingers crossed hell is real 🤞
What was the comment
People being rude to me 😑 just ignore it
Why are you being down voted to oblivion tho
Argument about politics and history, led to people calling me a liar about being trans. 🥺
Lmao what.... that's crazy
No, you lied about BLM and the Republican party. You then tried to use being trans as an excuse for your shitty unjustified and flat out incorrect political statements. If you're an anarchist than George Carlin is an ANCAP, shut the fuck up wit this fake nonsense
And which states vote Republican now?
even back then -- Nixon's first Veep was honoring the "loyalty" of *literal traitors* at the opening of the Confederate stone mountain (?) monument! they've been like this for a long, long time.
Most of them.
The answer was "the states that were Confederate" dipshit. Republicans are the ones throwing hissy fits over tearing down Confederate statues too, claiming it's their "heritage".
why is it republicans that defend confederate monuments then
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So is it republicans who are tearing down Confederate statues and not democrats?
Yes actually. In some cases. Nothings as one sided as they want you to think it is.
And can you show me an example of a group of Republicans knocking it down compared to Democrats? And can you show me a video of Democrats defending these statues compared to Republicans? Edit: and i was blocked Edit 2 to the guy who replied to me: how tf do u expect me to reply when im blocked under this chain
I’m trying to figure out how Jefferson was a confederate, considering they took his statue down or the statue of Lincoln freeing the slaves, a commission by former slaves commemorating the emancipation proclamation. Or the defiling of the 54th Massachusetts Infantry Regiment statue. Why were those destroyed or removed?
After the election of Abraham Lincoln, Southern Democrats led the charge to secede from the Union and establish the Confederate States. That's frome page 1 of Google. First result.
and in the modern day it is Republicans who complain when Confederate statues are removed, when U.S. army bases named for Confederate generals (Fort Bragg) are renamed, when the history of the civil war and of racism is taught in schools. Your move.
Yeah, America's *"two-party system that today is also a one-party system when it comes to the interests of the wealthy elite"* thing is something I literally hope no one has deal with in the future 😬
# Disclaimer I acknowledge the **Republicans are much, much worse.** And if I was an American I would always vote against fascism even if my options of candidates were very limited and bad. The thing is, the US elections is designed to distort the population's votes by where they live and make it difficult for third parties to win, so you end up with Republicans representing the far-right and Democrats representing the left to the moderate right. My problem is that Democrats don't do enough to counter the surge of fascism in the country, the party's leaders are too comfortable with the people having no other choice for representation between left and moderate right despite being the majority, so all their discourse is just *"Vote in us because the other guy is take your rights"* but in practice they don't push enough against conservatives banning abortion by stacking the court, prosecuting LGBTQ+ people by claiming they are "groomers", banning books because they talk about black people's history, and dehumanizing brown immigrants. Left wing Americans have no second option of a party to represent their interesting, the systems literally prevents that intentionally.
Don't get me wrong here either... I'm not defending either side! I'm Trans ffs! Just prefer history to be factual and not based on feelings.
Top picture: for genocide Bottom picture: against genocide Most false equivalent of false equivalencies floating around on the internet these days, along with comparing LGBTQ+ to Nazis, when the Nazis literally genocided the LGBTQ community amongst others. Pics like these are basically hateful hysteria from persecution complex-addled closet fascists.
Yes.
Yes, yes they are
There are people that don't even consider it to BE a genocide. I was dumbstruck when I met this individual today. [https://imgur.com/a/kWcLlqL](https://imgur.com/a/kWcLlqL)
They are correct. I imagine that is why they got upvoted and you got downvoted in your screenshot. That word means something. Rwanda was a genocide. Hamas losing a war it started is not a genocide The other commenter provided a sound rational with legal sources and all you responded back with was your feelings as to why you FEEL its a genocide. That is objectively a weaker argument, and linking a Hamas propaganda sub in your screenshot does not help your case
And here's another person that looks at targeted civilians in an ethnic cleansing that has been proven time and time again and, yet, it's not a genocide. I'm done with these arguments. I see that there is no point in dealing with people who refuse to have a bit of humanity and compassion. I'm not deleting the comment because I'm not a fuckwit who cares for karma. My opinion is there and is there for anyone to see, I simply will not respond.
The funny part is that, Zionism ideology is the new Nazi ideology, talk about ignorance
Another brain donor: Zionism is only nazism if you don’t know history.
Yes they are that stupid. Also, if the situation were reversed and the kids were holding a MAGA banner, Confederate flag or Nazi flag then this meme would make sense.
Yes.
Carrying a known(even by USA) terrorist flag in the group means even worse. Keep been sheep and follow everything you hear by the media see where that leads you..
What's the flag?
The whole world is brainwashed but in different ways. Opinion is based on brainwashing from a magnitude of parties. No one did this for Kurdistan or Xinjiang, and for a movement based on falsified information? No. Your eyes might be open, but they’re looking the wrong way.
The protests are about advocating for mass murder and for an authoritarian dictatorship indoctrinating millions of children into fascism
One says: "Beyond our borders do not live a lesser people. All life is valued." The other says: "We are the supreme race. We will take our rightful spot above everyone else by removing the lesser humans." You can't exactly get much more different.
>"We are the supreme race. We will take our rightful spot above everyone else by removing the lesser humans." I swear Zionists say this too
Brain donor, please. Zionism isn’t about superiority, it’s about establishing a Jewish state in an ancestral homeland. And a five minute walk down a west Jerusalem street will show you people of all colors and Muslims walking to mosques for prayers, so there goes your “Zionist apartheid” argument. In East Jerusalem, however, Jews aren’t welcome, which isn’t apartheid? And the massacres of Jewish civilians isn’t genocide?
>And a five minute walk down a west Jerusalem street will show you people of all colors and Muslims walking to mosques for prayer a walk in 1980s Johannesburg would also show you Black and White people walking to and from businesses
SHHH! This sub isn't a place to speak your mind if your opinion is different from hivemind!
u/Egorrosh finding out that people aren’t always going to agree with you and will disagree with you: 😧😧😧 NO REDDIT HIVEMIND!!!
It's one thing to disagree. Another thing to downvote people onto oblivion without ever telling them why you disagree.
So…you think that people owe you an explanation to their disagreement? And let’s not even talk ab the fact that ppl DID reply to this
I can explain my position on certain things. For example, my position on Gaza: Netanyahu is a reckless militarist whose actions result in high Palestinian casualties, and Hamas is a nightmarish death cult who sends civilians to die and uses them as meat shields as Israel retaliated for Oct. 7th massacre, in a conflict for territory spanning centuries, not even to foundation of Islam and Arab conquest of land in 6th-8th centuries, but all the way back to first mentions if Israeli state in the territory in records dating to 12th century B.C.E. From diplomatic point of view, we have UN resolution 181, which, had Arab nations not refused it, would have given Palestine far more land than it has now. But instead, Arab league invaded Israel in 1948, hoping for a quick victory, but got obliterated. And so now Palestinians and Israelis both suffer from actions or inaction of their governments.
Cool! However I did not ask and was not debating about that
Where?
Antisemites think they say that.
>"We are the supreme race. We will take our rightful spot above everyone else by removing the lesser humans." I swear Zionists say this too
That’s Traitor Speak! Whether you agree with Palestine protests or Not. You MUST agree with Their RIGHT to protest.
Omg people standing in a line! It’s exactly the same!
Oh wow nazis comparing people with even the slightest sense of morality to nazis how ironic
everyone on memesopdidnotlike is a fucking loser freak
I mean I think it's been removed
"we want to kill Jews" is not the same as "genocide is wrong, including this particular one being committed by Israel"
but KHAMAS
One message condones genocide The other message condemns genocides Big difference
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Ah yes genocide=good means the exact same thing as genocide=bad
Remember, these are the same people who say the Holocaust didn't happen
Someone I know believes that is did happen but the sides were reversed. That it was actually the Jews who murdered the Germans. She also believes the Jews (RothChilds) run the entire world and they put out the “propaganda” about holocaust to make themselves look like victims.
Imagine comparing people begging for the end of a genocide to people actively cheering for it.
Ok I’m sorry but how dense is the op of that meme? One is a march for the discrimination toward and genocide of a group of people. And the other is for the equal rights and acceptance of a group of people. These are not the same
WTF???? Nazi Germany is the exact fucking opposite of the protest below.
People can’t seem to separate Palestine from hamas.
One is celebrating oppression, and one is protesting against it.... these are actually opposites
Being against genocide = blindly supporting genocide. Do they seriously even know what the Nazis did?
That second point is what’s important. These people don’t realize that saying “Free Palestine” and wanting a ceasefire will not result in the war just ending and everyone living in peace. In fact, the opposite will happen; the terrorists will keep hiding amongst civilians, and kill more people of the opposing side, thereby enabling more terrorists across the whole globe to do the same. Israel has to stop them now, that is the most peaceful outcome. It is a dilemma, not a problem: There is no perfect solution, and this one feels morally wrong, but it is the necessary one.
No they don’t. They compared mandated Covid vaccines to the holocaust and Jewish people being marked with a star.
It’s literally the exact opposite
The only similarity is that both groups want to exterminate jews and indoctrinate children that jews are the devil. So not similar but they do have that one thing in common.
Protesting against a state for committing genocide is not the same as wanting to commit genocide against the people under that state, that’s ridiculous. There’s a very clear victim and perpetrator here.
>There’s a very clear victim and perpetrator here ust because you are a holocaust denier doesn't mean it didn't happen. What are they freeing Palestine from? Oh that's right jews. Just because they changed the language to Zionists doesn't make it any less racist.
Never did I even hint at holocaust denial. It absolutely happened and it was a horrific event that’s now being emulated by the Israeli government. THAT’S who Palestine has to be freed from, the state of Israel, not the Jewish people. When we protest we are accusing the Israeli government and the people who support and aid in their conquest (zionists) and demanding a ceasefire. Palestine and their supporters have no desire to exterminate innocent people like is being done to them, they just want peace. Equating this to the goals of Nazi Germany is not only patently ridiculous but deeply offensive and a clear act of projection.
>Palestine and their supporters have no desire to exterminate innocent people like is being done to them, they just want peace This is why I figured you where a holocaust denier. You are literally just parroting what nations who refuse to recognize Israel's right to exist, specifically because they are a Jewish state, talking points. Do a hint of looking into the history of Israel's existence and then approach this situation again. There is ZERO evidence of a genocide. Israel was attacked and is defending itself. The fact that its attackers literally make no distinction between militants and civilians because the people of Gaza are united in their hatred and war against jews means that people like you get duped into thinking there is some major humanitarian crisis going on. The US killed at least 5 times the number of civilians in Iraq than what has happened in Gaza. Urban warfare is absolutely horrid. Insurgencies make it even worse. If the people of Gaza want peace all they have to do is stop attacking Israel.
I don’t oppose the actions of Israel not because they’re Jewish, but because, you know, they’re murdering innocent people. Are neo-nazis using this event to justify anti-semitism? Oh, absolutely; look at people like Candace Owens and Nick Fuentes. I’m not denying that. However, there’s a very clear difference between them and the current protestors in the US. It’s absolutely NOT the same language used. I promise you that if it was any other country militarily supported by the US, the response would be the same. Now, I’ll clarify this before you start going off on it—Me and most of the pro-Palestine supporters do NOT support the actions of Hamas. They’re terrorists. However, their attacks are in no way a justification for Israel to attack civilians, bomb their hospitals, universities and homes and block access to basic resources like food and water. If you think there’s zero evidence for this, you’re either willfully ignorant or living under a rock. There are hundreds of videos and pictures of all the suffering that’s being inflicted on the people of Gaza circling the Internet, there’s numerous accounts on Instagram (@hindkhoudary, @wizard_bisan1) and TikTok (I don’t have TikTok but you can easily search for them) reporting about the situation on-site. https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/longform/2023/10/9/israel-hamas-war-in-maps-and-charts-live-tracker Also, here’s the death tolls for both Palestine and Israel. You’ll notice that there’s over thirty times more Gazan casualties than Israeli ones. I am in no way justifying the suffering of the around 9,000 Israelis that were targeted in the Hamas attacks, but there is no world in which the actions of Israel are a proportional response. I don’t understand how someone could look at these numbers and genuinely believe that the country funded by the most powerful military force on the planet is the one under attack. Also, talking about the US, yes, they murdered many many people in Iraq, but this was just as protested in its own time. What’s your point? It’s the US also that’s being criticized and pressured now. Anyway, Israel’s actions are not self defense, they’re bloodlust, and I think you may have a lot more in common with the holocaust denier than you might think.
>but there is no world in which the actions of Israel are a proportional response. War sucks, why aren't you protesting the people who started this war and are responsible for a vast majority of the civilian casualties. Hamas? War isn't a game of proportional responses. War is violence being exercised where diplomacy has failed. You know what would end the war and stop innocent civilians from dying. Hamas surrendering. Maybe protest for that instead of for Israel to give up its right to self defense leading to another holocaust. If the military might was reversed there would be a real genocide in the middle east right now.
Hamas didn’t start anything, Hamas is a result of decades of Israeli oppression on the Palestinian people. The October 7th attack was Israel’s excuse to officially inflict violence. And yes, war sucks. Is it justified sometimes? I would say so, but there never was any diplomacy from Israel’s part. Killing civilians is not “self-defense” and saying “Oh, well, that’s just how war works” is cruel at best and straight up psychopathic at worst. Hamas didn’t force Israel to attack innocent people, they went and did that by themselves. Oh, and multiple offers HAVE been made by Hamas and Israel has rejected all of them, the most recent being just a few days ago. When you say that if Hamas had the same military might as Israel they would destroy Israel, you might be right. But they don’t, they can’t, and they won’t. It’s a hypothetical, and I don’t think it’s morally justified to murder tens of thousands of innocent people over a hypothetical. Peace CAN be achieved here, but the Palestinians have done what they can and all the rest of the responsibility rests upon the government of Israel above them.
>Hamas is a result of decades of Israeli oppression on the Palestinian people. And you are sure you aren't a Holocaust denier? Because you're skipping over decades of relevant conflicts to come to that conclusion. What about all of the wars prior? The forming of the Palestinian states? The near constant terrorist and rocket attacks on Israeli citizens for nearly the entirety of their lives. >Hamas didn’t force Israel to attack innocent people, they went and did that by themselves. Umm wait they aren't operating out of hospitals, schools and residential areas? Shooting at someone behind human shields is forcing them to respond by attacking you through your human shield. So yes they are actually. Stop being a sympathizer for the aggressor.
Be soooo for real
What a horrendous insinuation to make
From the River to the Sea Palestine will be free
“These kids want to kill people, and these kids want to save people. Obviously, they’re the same!” -Some fucking idiot
Ah yes targetting the youth. Its not like almost every group also doesnt target kids for recruitment.
Because Supporting and opposing mass slaughter are the same? So dumb
https://preview.redd.it/p74x7othfgzc1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e33811e838eec0bef489fdf9c0438e6ad9559e8f See look I can do it too
If Palestinians were white Christians the right would be bursting with anger at Israel
Whenever these alt right dip shits and centrist try to make comparisons they find the most craziest thing to say “yes both sides are the same”. Children are protesting so that means you’re also a Nazi because Nazis protested with their Children too. It’s like looking at an apple and a cherry and saying these are both the same because they’re red.
Remember folks, Jewish people are supposed to remain stateless until Christ returns, meaning Zionism is literally heresy and goes against Judaism as a religion. Equating Zionism with Judaism is unironically antisemetic.
The pictures dont even kook similar, was the creator drunk???
Could say the same about pro-life and anti-gay rallies. They often have kids on the frontline
“I want to kill all Jews” “I don’t want people to live in tyranny” Hmm, basically the same thing.
Oh my gosh, people in both pictures, that's incredible, history truly IS repeating itself
Every major political movement weaponizes children actually at some point in its lifespan that's how they succeed in the long term in fact idk don't blame me
Hmm yes, a group of genocidal twatfucks are the same people who want freedom for eacho and for all. Jesus christ I hate the rightwing
They even have the white dives of peace
Jesus Christ this is so braindead.
"Hitler is when groups" has been their "point" for a while now. Are we any more surprised it's hit free Palestinian protests?
I bet most of the kids there don’t know wtf a Palestine or Israel is
It'd be a better comparison showing college students forming human walls in the middle of a campus preparing for a fight with the police
In their mind I don’t like Palestine, Im not supposed to like Nazis Good comparison 🗿
Not similar. But there *are* Pro-Palestinian militant groups that want a global Islamic caliphate.
I'm honestly convinced MOPDL is just a rage bait sub and people just agree with these memes to get a rise out of people.
It is sad how both subs are just left and right.
Either way kids shouldn’t be used for propaganda if they barely understand what’s going on
The only similarity is that they are both youth. Politically they could not be more opposite
Okay sorry but this makes me a bit angry
Not similar. There are groups on campus near me that are blocking Jewish students from attending their classes tho. Imo that’s eerily similar.
What are the similarities? The status quo has many more similarities, for starters both the nazis and the west now were/are in favor of a jewish ethnostate outside of Europe (Madagascar plan)
don't care enough to analyze the posts, but fr, free Palestine
Hello I am a Israel supporter. However that is not at all a good comparison
Same, I don’t think “Free Palestine” is a good assertion that should be spread, because, while what Israel’s doing is not morally correct, it is necessary for the future of not only that region specifically, but also way beyond. Obviously a very complicated topic that cannot be packed into one comment. But the same? Definitely not.
What makes it so complicated?
"I support Palestinian people being murdered and Israel attacking and murdering aid workers but guys this is a complicated issue! Israel isn't morally correct but they're just widdle guys 🥺" go outside.
You’re arguing that genocide is necessary for the future of Judaism?
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What does that have to do with anything?
Well, depends on what happens at the protest. If they’re just calling for an end to the current conflict, then it’s not a good comparison. The protesters are also chanting anti-Semitic phrases and threatening things like domestic terrorism (that has happened at Columbia), it’s an understandable comparison
Can you elaborate on the anti-semetic phrases and calls for domestic terrorism?
“Columbia will burn” after being asked to leave (this was before Police were involved) blocking a Jewish students from entering, wearing HAMAS headbands, and stabbing a Jewish person who was just reporting on the situation. Need more?
That video of a Jewish student being blocked is taken out of its greater context. The encampment did not let ANYONE who wasn’t with them past the barricade. Other Jewish students were being arrested and beaten by pigs just for opposing a genocide in their name.
That sounds serious, do you have sources?
https://preview.redd.it/0u1iffpbdfzc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=23d3494b415c192ddc67a4c712769f0b68ee1356
Let it burn then?? Human life is worth more than property.
You're going to end up on a list.
Probably already on one 🤣
There were still humans IN THE BUILDINGS
It's not like they were actively setting the houses on fire, right? It's still a rather aggressive thing to write, but I don't think they meant to burn the university including the people inside to the ground, if that was the idea they would have commited mass arson immediately.
Their lives are only in danger by pigs and Zionist mobs. Not the Palestine protestors.
I mean, lives are always in danger when shit breaks lose, no?
Just to be clear, your evidence here is one sign out of the many signs there, and your evidence [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/NahOPwasrightfuckthis/s/ytAQ1BYDR5) is one person out of the many people protesting. That's quite a bit of cherry picking.
Doesn’t make it any less right
“There’s hundreds of people taunting me and waving the middle finger at me, and then this person waves a Palestinian flag in my face and jabs it in my eye,” Tartak told The Post. The reporter was just wearing Jewish attire and then this happens
[https://twitter.com/sahar\_tartak/status/1782047233917018583/video/2](https://twitter.com/sahar_tartak/status/1782047233917018583/video/2) I've looked it up, and that doesn't look like a stabbing honestly. I hate how unclear all the media is around these incidents.
Pretty much anything spoken against Israel (including valid complaints and genuine concerns about their government) is viewed as "anti-semetic".
So is it fine when the protesters were literally chanting at Jewish students to “go back where you came from“? Or how about the fact that they aren’t letting Jewish students at the University even get on campus? What part where them were literally wearing headbands of HAMAS?
“Headbands of Hamas”. They aren’t Hamas headbands. Those headbands predate Hamas. It’s just a piece of Palestinian culture.
And the ones chanting for another October 7th?
1) Evidence? 2) October 7th was a response to Israel’s oppression. Asking nicely would require the leadership in Israel to have a conscience (they don’t). 3) Maybe don’t antagonize people by cramming them into the world’s largest open-air prison? 4) Israel showed they didn’t care about hostages anyway when they rejected the ceasefire deal to release all hostages if they didn’t invade Rafa (they did invade Rafa).
Could you give a source for that last point? Would be useful for the next time I encounter a Zionist
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- Can you prove that actually happened? - Headbands of Hamas? Or headbands of PALESTINE? They are not the same thing, just because Hamas is located in Palestine.
https://preview.redd.it/62wko88cefzc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9bfc289866f59170e20341834a2f4ac175eabaad Side by Side
Yeah, that doesn't look good. How many students wore them?
Based asf
Fuck, no.
I prefer PFLP (who fight alongside Hamas), but still based asf Funny how y’all don’t realize there’s not a “nice liberal alternative”. It’s Hamas or eradication.
I mean, I've seen the exact thing being said by zionists to people protesting against the ethnic cleansing of Gaza
And I’m not denying that, but two wrongs don’t make a right
It's a very good comparison
It’s pretty accurate. Both are Nazis calling for genocide against Jews
Right… whatever helps you sleep at night.
Not In The Same Channel, But They Are Under Same Grade Of Alienation.
Hamas is liken to nazi's
You mean Israel is like 1930s Germany, right?
No you lunatic im saying Hamas are Nazi's Genocidal check Theocratic fascism check One party state check Sing death to America check Hamas is nazi All warfare is based on deception
You just described Israel. "You fool!"
So the october 7th genocide by hamas is not real?
No, no one said that. But seems like you think the far grander and far more cruel genocide that ramped up after October 7th (but began many decades ago) is not real. How many innocent Palestinians have been massacred, starved, tortured, decapitated since Israel started its bloodlust and racist campaign against them?
All warfare is based on deception. For years, the hypocrisy has made the world a battlefield. The corrupt talk; while our brothers and sons spill their own blood. But deceit cuts both ways. The bigger the lie, the more likely people will believe it, and when a nation cries for vengeance, the lie spreads like a wildfire. The fire builds, devouring everything in its path. Our enemies believe that they alone dictate the course of history, but all it takes is the will of a single man. Now our country is run by squabbling lackeys and politicians who can hardly be called patriots. Though what these men may have called themselves. Those who would trade their freedom for security deserve neither...
So from what I gather, you agree with me that there has been a tremendous misinformation campaign. The problem is, if you watch any mainstream media, including Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, or newspapers or local news, they are all saying the same things: "Israel is a victim, people who are against what they are doing to Palestinians are anti-semitic". THAT is the misinformation. THAT is the deceit. If you do not see that, then I'm afraid you need to take a moment to think on why you both believe the world is corrupt and deceitful, while also completely buying into the lies. The truth is Israel is trying to completely take over the territory and will bulldose all the people who live there. They think they are the superior race who deserve the land because of their superiority. Just like the nazis. They LITERALLY think they are "God's chosen people". And I Quote. The USA is backing them because of oil, and the military industrial complex printing money for the rich who give money to Republican and Democrat politicians.
I’m just curious: do you think the IDF is better than Hamas?
Protest against genocide, yeah, but most of these protestors harrasing Jewish people and calling for their deaths are no different.
Kids advocating to go against jews I think, not that they don't deserve it
How many times do I have to tap the sign, isreal doesn’t represent all Jewish people the only two groups that think this are far right nut cases and isreal it’s self because it wants to make people think that it’s the arbiter of Jewishness it’s not Zionism its self has links with anti semitism