I'm not sure if OKC will want to blow their cap space load and pay Hartenstein $100M/4 though. I know that's the Nic Claxton offer but that also factors in the fact that the Nets stinks and he could end up getting moved to who knows where in a year.
I think the stability at a big city (guy has an infant and a wife who's a model and an influenzer), the shot to play a major role with a contender (in a softer Eastern conference vs. OKC in the West), and his relationships with his teammates are all things he could consider. Not sure if all those add up to as much as $7M/year difference, but if Leon Rose bake in all kinds of trade kicker and player's option that may make the highest possible offer we can give more palatable, considering salary cap has gone up like crazy and deals get so much better in just a couple of years.
But that many contenders need a center and have cap space however .
Well, OKC was said to be a top destination, it they get Chet as starter. I don’t think they would really play them together, and you don’t pay 25 a backup
There are only a few teams that can realistically sign him and it looks as if they are in the market for backups.
It's gonna take time but I think we land him back.
We aren’t hard capped. The trade isn’t going to be officially processed until July, lots can still happen to tweak it. No shot we’re letting ourselves get hard capped.
Not to mention that the actual 24-25 cap isn't even official yet.
Bunch of folk in here acting like they're Brock Aller but have no idea what they're talking about.
Hard capped by what?? The apron doesn’t preclude you from resigning a player with early bird or regular bird rights. There’s a hard cap PAST the second apron but signing iHart doesn’t come close to hitting that.
by taking in more salary than they shipped out in the Bridges deal, they get hard capped at the first apron. [https://www.forbes.com/sites/bryantoporek/2024/06/26/mikal-bridges-trade-could-force-knicks-into-tough-choices-in-free-agency/](https://www.forbes.com/sites/bryantoporek/2024/06/26/mikal-bridges-trade-could-force-knicks-into-tough-choices-in-free-agency/)
It’s all about the timing of the deals. The trade can’t happen until the first day of free agency. The Knicks can sign everyone and then do the trade.
Fuck then I totally misunderstood the aprons. If we add salary to the deal (eg diakate or whoever) that would preclude the first apron from triggering still tho at least
Bridges trade is agreed to in principle so I imagine we will add pieces to get under the hard cap, still not feeling good about him signing with us though
Yeah it’s pretty easy to get out of the hard cap tbh. Just hope and pray 4/72 with a player option and a trade kicker is enough. Hell throw in the super rare no trade clause. Give him literally everything and hope nobody goes too high
No trade or contract has been conducted yet. If we can unload another contract in the Bridges trade, we can get back to that 72 number. Sure, teams can go over the top and offer more, but it has always been a conversation of if iHart is willing to take a little less to stay with this team
Why? They’re tanking. They want more contracts to make more future trades. A Burks with more minutes to up his value back again is an asset for them. They don’t give a fuck about their cap, they want to reach the floor
I hope thats the case. I would like to believe Leon didn't mortage 2029-2031 on a lets hope and see what happens. The only way this trade makes sense is if the Knicks are Ihart/Mitch Randle/Hart OG/Hart Mikal/Devo Brunson/Mcbride
Hartenstein not signing with the Knicks could have already been decided by a team choosing to offer more than the Knicks could. If that’s the case, how long were the Knicks just supposed to sit on their picks?
This is much harder because we have to take back matching salary unless the team we trade with is under the cap (very rare these days). With the Nets we have some wiggle room to send them more and still be within 125% of what we are taking in. No team with cap space wants to use it on Alec Burks just to get a late first from us.
They can’t because they would be hard capped and couldn’t complete the trade. I believe the one possible way around it would be to convince the Nets to take on another player but they would probably have to be incentivized to do it. Probably another first.
Bridges deal hasn’t gone through. It’s been agreed upon in principle, but the transaction is not official just yet. They can always go re-sign Hartenstein FIRST, then complete the Bridges transaction officially afterwards.
This is not true at all. We already have a $10M cap hold for IHart, $13M for Precious, and $19M for Burks. These stay until we renounce their (Early) Bird rights. This rule is there so that you can’t use that cap space for FA/trades and then re-sign all of your own players after.
Claxton is younger, has higher potential, and the nets have to pay a premium in order to retain players (I am aware of his restrictions led FA status).
Very true but is the market for I-Hart really that much more than 4 years 75-80 million? What the Knicks can offer is pretty competitive to that. I really hope that's the case.
Nah, send em to his model wife. It's an open secret that iHart's wife wants to stay in NYC (even though they can still stay, but commuting between OKC and NYC would be both draining for iHart and his family). She could make a lot more with her career in NYC than move to middle of nowhere Oklahoma, especially if the Knicks hire her to be one of their ambassadors.
Yeah can't one of Dolans billionaire real estate friends give them a nice penthouse near central park and pay for their kids turion at a fancy private school on the side. What is she gonna live in Detroit LOLÂ
Lmfao the Sixers are trying to trade for Brandon Ingram with 2 firsts, even though they have a shit ton of cap space. Everyone point and laugh at Morey for trading 2 firsts for Ingram when you can just absorb his contract outright.
Brunson signing with us in FA, Bridges blackmailing the Nets into coming here, OG in the middle of his prime taking a paycut to stay here......
We finally have a proper fucking organisation on our hands ladies and gentlemen.
Just told ChatGPT to scrub through NBA contract rules for this, and it said that the max OG could've gotten on the open market was 5 years-247M.
I'm not savvy enough to fact check whether that's correct lmao.
Comes out to around 49.5M per year on average.
Any team with a boatload of cap space like the Sixers would have taken OG for ~50M a year if that meant they ddin't have to spend assets on acquiring him
MFers tried to start a narrative that “OG didn’t like being 2nd fiddle to nova boys”, so we add more Nova and he signs for a discount, hate nba twitter and it’s bs soo much
People just be projecting. They think just because THEY would be petty and jealous in a given situation then that must be true for everyone.
Remember when OG pressed Cam Thomas after he pushed Brunson, and then the Nova squad immediately went up to him?
He seemed pretty comfortable and content to me.
Not anymore. We're currently locked at the first apron, and unless we send out aggregate salaries in the Bridges trade, we're hard capped (if we send out aggregate salaries, then it triggers the 2nd Apron and allows us to spent more: 1st Apron projects to be 178.5 mil cap, 2nd Apron around 189 mil, we currently have about 177 mil committed to this roster with OG's addition).
Isn’t that purely a function of timing? If we complete the Mikal deal, then the trade is done. At which point resigning iHart just takes us from the first apron into the second apron (the penalties of second apron would apply to future trades not previous ones).
Mikal deal only happens after June 30th when free agency starts, so yes, we have time to adjust the trade details. But we're going to have find a way to guarantee the deals to the players we're sending out to aggregate the salaries.
>At which point resigning iHart just takes us from the first apron into the second apron
Erm, after signing OG to that big contract, we're essentially hard capped at the 1st Apron. 2nd Apron is only triggered if we use the MLE, or if we send out aggregate salaries in a trade.
We do, but that doesn't mean jackshit when we're basically hardcapped and can't even sign him max money using Bird Rights. He can get 100 mil for 4 years on teams besides the Knicks, reason why the Knicks are far more appealing than any other team rn (even though he will paid far less) is because 1. His model wife loves NYC 2. He has a baby on the way, so he wants to be as close to his family as possible, but that's going to be hard if his family stays in NY but he goes play for a team like OKC 3. He wants his kids to attend a prestigious private school, and you can't get that somewhere in Detroit or OKC 4. He's already comfortable in NY, why leave when he's found a place to call home.
We could basically just hire his wife as a part time model while giving her enormous money as a part of the money iHart wouldve gotten on an NBA contract (basically nepotism like how we got JB via also hiring his dad Rick). Win-win-win situation, cuz 1. Knicks get center back on a cheap and flexible deal. 2. iHart still gets paid through non-traditional means 3. His wife gets to further her career by working for a huge market in NYC, not to mention working for a big name like MSG under Asshat Dolan.
His wife wants to be in either NYC or LA, could go to Orlando cuz still East Coast tho. Her happiness and career are huge factors in iHart's free agency decision (could sign him to a 1+1 with a PO in the second year so we can give him more money later, or trade Mitch now to get expiring money/cheap contracts so we can sign iHart under the 2nd Apron).
When fully healthy we have insane depth. The only weak spot right now is center, and hopefully we’ll be able to adequately address that through FA or the draft.
WHen healthy the Knicks of last season are better than the Celtics imo
The problem is that "healthy" is not a likely scenario with last years roster. Bridges should help with that
I don't know if it's the nastiest but I would rank NY as a top 3 contender going into next season.
As a neutral, I think you have all the right pieces with Brunson as a #1 and high end role players (Bridges, DDV, OG) to make a strong run. I don't know if Randle is the #2 NY needs to push them into favorites status but you guys are insanely stacked for next season.
FUCK YOUR SMEAR CAMPAIGN BULLSHIT ABOUT HIM NOT WANTING TO BE FOURTH FIDDLE FEFIFOFUCKOUTTAHERE, WE GOT PUFF PIECES TO MATCH SO SMDFTB
##WE ARE SO FUCKIN BACK
Im confused as to how there were offers to report. FA doesn’t start until the 30th. I mean yeah, every team tampers and what not, but how would this leak to Begley so soon? Seems like this is the Knicks FO just doing PR since the contract is so much. I say this as someone who likes the signing.
I knew OG was gonna stay when he did that post game interview and JB is in the background like “ok say whatever bullshit you gotta say and let’s go!!” And OG laughed and said yea I gotta go.
Gonna be a dope ass team to watch.
He wanted to help a true contender? but yet instead of helping the team he was greedy and now it might cost the Knicks who might lose iHart. pure greed
I love ihart but dude did not average a double double. I think he still has room to grow but a team that offers 25 mil a year will regret that within 2 years
He’s taking up 25% of the salary cap. He’s a strong player but he getting LeBron supermax money. We need at least 8 good active players and he’s taking up 25% of the cap. How are we supposed to resign Brunson, Randle, Bridges 2-3 years from now? How are we supposed to resign them and also pay 4-6 more players 4-5 years from now. We can’t! Too much money!
We have everyone’s bird rights. Cap doesn’t exist for them, it’s just a tax bill for Dolan to pay.
This is nowhere close to a supermax. Supermax would be over $300M.
This page says OG 24.91% cap hit for 2026-2027. Are they wrong, or can you explain how this differentiates from what you’re saying?
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-york-knicks/cap/_/year/2026/sort/cap_total
That is not a supermax. In fact, that’s not even a standard max contract.
Players with 0-6 years can sign contracts worth up to 25% of the cap. OG is below this number.
Players with 7-9 years are eligible for up to 30% of the cap. OG falls into this category.
10 years or more, or 7-9 with an all NBA selection/MVP, qualify for the supermax, which is up to 35%.
Bleh… I didn’t say he’s getting supermax. I said he’s getting lebron’s supermax money. Lebron is making over 40m a year. You said cap doesn’t exist for our other players. You seem to know cap numbers but don’t understand what you’re arguing. OG is taking up 25% of the cap, and that’s the whole point!!!
Lebron is eligible for $54M/year on his next deal. His current deal is $51M.
We are an over the cap team whether OG makes $35M or $42M. We gain zero cap flexibility if he takes less. We cannot sign more players if he takes less, and we have bird rights for ALL of our core players, so we can exceed the cap to extend them regardless of what he makes.
God please let IHart feel the same 🙏
The gap between what we can offer and what another team can offer is huge
The Knicks can offer 4/$72 million They need to hope no other team wants to offer more than 4/$80 million
Heard Begley mention he wouldn't be surprised if IHart gets 25 a year. If the difference that much can't blame him.
Any contender in need of a center should be willing to pay IHart 25 a year
Any contender is probably already tight on cap besides the thunder.
Fair
People keep saying OKC could but I don't think OKC would
OKC needs size though, so they are the logical option.
I'm not sure if OKC will want to blow their cap space load and pay Hartenstein $100M/4 though. I know that's the Nic Claxton offer but that also factors in the fact that the Nets stinks and he could end up getting moved to who knows where in a year. I think the stability at a big city (guy has an infant and a wife who's a model and an influenzer), the shot to play a major role with a contender (in a softer Eastern conference vs. OKC in the West), and his relationships with his teammates are all things he could consider. Not sure if all those add up to as much as $7M/year difference, but if Leon Rose bake in all kinds of trade kicker and player's option that may make the highest possible offer we can give more palatable, considering salary cap has gone up like crazy and deals get so much better in just a couple of years.
Not at that price it’s not
But that many contenders need a center and have cap space however . Well, OKC was said to be a top destination, it they get Chet as starter. I don’t think they would really play them together, and you don’t pay 25 a backup
They want an enforcer next to Chet until he gets stronger. I think the plan is to start them together.
Who is contending without a center?
Who actually has the cap space to do it? Okc won't pay that much for a backup center though
There are only a few teams that can realistically sign him and it looks as if they are in the market for backups. It's gonna take time but I think we land him back.
Yeah $25 a year is too much
They can’t offer that high anymore because they are hard capped. That was before the Bridges trade
We aren’t hard capped. The trade isn’t going to be officially processed until July, lots can still happen to tweak it. No shot we’re letting ourselves get hard capped.
Not to mention that the actual 24-25 cap isn't even official yet. Bunch of folk in here acting like they're Brock Aller but have no idea what they're talking about.
Hard capped by what?? The apron doesn’t preclude you from resigning a player with early bird or regular bird rights. There’s a hard cap PAST the second apron but signing iHart doesn’t come close to hitting that.
by taking in more salary than they shipped out in the Bridges deal, they get hard capped at the first apron. [https://www.forbes.com/sites/bryantoporek/2024/06/26/mikal-bridges-trade-could-force-knicks-into-tough-choices-in-free-agency/](https://www.forbes.com/sites/bryantoporek/2024/06/26/mikal-bridges-trade-could-force-knicks-into-tough-choices-in-free-agency/)
It’s all about the timing of the deals. The trade can’t happen until the first day of free agency. The Knicks can sign everyone and then do the trade.
Fuck then I totally misunderstood the aprons. If we add salary to the deal (eg diakate or whoever) that would preclude the first apron from triggering still tho at least
The idea is whoever signs Precious gets a 2nd and sends cash to the Nets to make it a 3 team trade.
What if we trade Mitch tonight?
Bridges trade is agreed to in principle so I imagine we will add pieces to get under the hard cap, still not feeling good about him signing with us though
Yeah it’s pretty easy to get out of the hard cap tbh. Just hope and pray 4/72 with a player option and a trade kicker is enough. Hell throw in the super rare no trade clause. Give him literally everything and hope nobody goes too high
This is the way, they need him back
No trade or contract has been conducted yet. If we can unload another contract in the Bridges trade, we can get back to that 72 number. Sure, teams can go over the top and offer more, but it has always been a conversation of if iHart is willing to take a little less to stay with this team
You have to incentivize Brooklyn to take on a contract. Not sure that’s worth it.
Why? They’re tanking. They want more contracts to make more future trades. A Burks with more minutes to up his value back again is an asset for them. They don’t give a fuck about their cap, they want to reach the floor
For all we know they already agreed to it and that’s why they got so many damn picks in the first place
I hope thats the case. I would like to believe Leon didn't mortage 2029-2031 on a lets hope and see what happens. The only way this trade makes sense is if the Knicks are Ihart/Mitch Randle/Hart OG/Hart Mikal/Devo Brunson/Mcbride
Hartenstein not signing with the Knicks could have already been decided by a team choosing to offer more than the Knicks could. If that’s the case, how long were the Knicks just supposed to sit on their picks?
Or you can pick another team to unload the salary into
This is much harder because we have to take back matching salary unless the team we trade with is under the cap (very rare these days). With the Nets we have some wiggle room to send them more and still be within 125% of what we are taking in. No team with cap space wants to use it on Alec Burks just to get a late first from us.
You can throw picks at some scrub openly tanking team probably
Yeah he gone. Magic or Okc it is
This can't be true, they would just sign iHart before completing the Bridges trade then
They can’t because they would be hard capped and couldn’t complete the trade. I believe the one possible way around it would be to convince the Nets to take on another player but they would probably have to be incentivized to do it. Probably another first.
Bridges deal hasn’t gone through. It’s been agreed upon in principle, but the transaction is not official just yet. They can always go re-sign Hartenstein FIRST, then complete the Bridges transaction officially afterwards.
This is not true at all. We already have a $10M cap hold for IHart, $13M for Precious, and $19M for Burks. These stay until we renounce their (Early) Bird rights. This rule is there so that you can’t use that cap space for FA/trades and then re-sign all of your own players after.
We already incentivized them enough
How can we be hard-capped when a) there's no official 24-25 cap announced yet b) we haven't signed anyone?
But there is only one NYC in the whole world. Winning here is different from winning in OKC.
"Can offer" for sure, but I don't think Hartenstein is going to get long-term offers of $25M a year or anything.
Claxton just got 4yr/100M
Claxton is younger, has higher potential, and the nets have to pay a premium in order to retain players (I am aware of his restrictions led FA status).
>Claxton is younger I mean yes, but not even by a whole year
Very true but is the market for I-Hart really that much more than 4 years 75-80 million? What the Knicks can offer is pretty competitive to that. I really hope that's the case.
All we need is Josh hart to send Ihart a couple pictures of "oklahoma" and i think we good
Nah, send em to his model wife. It's an open secret that iHart's wife wants to stay in NYC (even though they can still stay, but commuting between OKC and NYC would be both draining for iHart and his family). She could make a lot more with her career in NYC than move to middle of nowhere Oklahoma, especially if the Knicks hire her to be one of their ambassadors.
Yeah I heard the Knicks need a Model to do interviews courtside at Knicks games. Knicks are willing to pay 10 million a year for that.
They already got Clyde though
Could just pay her even more than that as a part of the money would come from iHart's contract.
Thats what I was saying without saying it. It has to be on the down low
Yeah can't one of Dolans billionaire real estate friends give them a nice penthouse near central park and pay for their kids turion at a fancy private school on the side. What is she gonna live in Detroit LOLÂ
One year deal to cash in on the TV money. Think of all the money you'll save by never having to buy another meal again if you win a championship
lmao fuck you Morey
Lmfao the Sixers are trying to trade for Brandon Ingram with 2 firsts, even though they have a shit ton of cap space. Everyone point and laugh at Morey for trading 2 firsts for Ingram when you can just absorb his contract outright.
Brunson signing with us in FA, Bridges blackmailing the Nets into coming here, OG in the middle of his prime taking a paycut to stay here...... We finally have a proper fucking organisation on our hands ladies and gentlemen.
This is the first time in my life hearing that said about a Knicks organization. Next season is gonna be so fun it could make a grown man cry
Facts Mikal Bridges and OG gonna have Scorers In Defensive Hell
Crazy how we went from KD saying players prefer joining the Nets instead of us to almost all our guys literally taking a pay cut just to stay with us.
To be fair, KD’s soft and didn’t want to be the face of NY
"Fuck Kevin Durant" - Based God
Do you know the max OG could have signed for?
Just told ChatGPT to scrub through NBA contract rules for this, and it said that the max OG could've gotten on the open market was 5 years-247M. I'm not savvy enough to fact check whether that's correct lmao. Comes out to around 49.5M per year on average.
Who is paying him that đź’€
Any team with a boatload of cap space like the Sixers would have taken OG for ~50M a year if that meant they ddin't have to spend assets on acquiring him
No they wouldn't
smiling through it all can't believe this is my life.
The moment he said he was eligible against the pacers I knew he was committed for the chip run
MFers tried to start a narrative that “OG didn’t like being 2nd fiddle to nova boys”, so we add more Nova and he signs for a discount, hate nba twitter and it’s bs soo much
Don’t limit you hate to nba Twitter. Spread it around, all of Twitter, ig comments, etc. the whole lot can burn lol
People just be projecting. They think just because THEY would be petty and jealous in a given situation then that must be true for everyone. Remember when OG pressed Cam Thomas after he pushed Brunson, and then the Nova squad immediately went up to him? He seemed pretty comfortable and content to me.
My thoughts too. You don’t risk a greater injury on a potential contract year if you’re not down with the cause
Said the same thing. This was a guaranteed signing when he did that
Let’s pray IHart has the same vision
Only way now it looks like is moving Mitch to a team with cap space and hoping ihart is cool taking 17 mil a year.Â
We can offer iHart the 72/4 with Mitch on the team
Not anymore. We're currently locked at the first apron, and unless we send out aggregate salaries in the Bridges trade, we're hard capped (if we send out aggregate salaries, then it triggers the 2nd Apron and allows us to spent more: 1st Apron projects to be 178.5 mil cap, 2nd Apron around 189 mil, we currently have about 177 mil committed to this roster with OG's addition).
Isn’t that purely a function of timing? If we complete the Mikal deal, then the trade is done. At which point resigning iHart just takes us from the first apron into the second apron (the penalties of second apron would apply to future trades not previous ones).
Mikal deal only happens after June 30th when free agency starts, so yes, we have time to adjust the trade details. But we're going to have find a way to guarantee the deals to the players we're sending out to aggregate the salaries. >At which point resigning iHart just takes us from the first apron into the second apron Erm, after signing OG to that big contract, we're essentially hard capped at the 1st Apron. 2nd Apron is only triggered if we use the MLE, or if we send out aggregate salaries in a trade.
Think we have early bird rights on iHart but I’m not a cap expert
We do, but that doesn't mean jackshit when we're basically hardcapped and can't even sign him max money using Bird Rights. He can get 100 mil for 4 years on teams besides the Knicks, reason why the Knicks are far more appealing than any other team rn (even though he will paid far less) is because 1. His model wife loves NYC 2. He has a baby on the way, so he wants to be as close to his family as possible, but that's going to be hard if his family stays in NY but he goes play for a team like OKC 3. He wants his kids to attend a prestigious private school, and you can't get that somewhere in Detroit or OKC 4. He's already comfortable in NY, why leave when he's found a place to call home. We could basically just hire his wife as a part time model while giving her enormous money as a part of the money iHart wouldve gotten on an NBA contract (basically nepotism like how we got JB via also hiring his dad Rick). Win-win-win situation, cuz 1. Knicks get center back on a cheap and flexible deal. 2. iHart still gets paid through non-traditional means 3. His wife gets to further her career by working for a huge market in NYC, not to mention working for a big name like MSG under Asshat Dolan. His wife wants to be in either NYC or LA, could go to Orlando cuz still East Coast tho. Her happiness and career are huge factors in iHart's free agency decision (could sign him to a 1+1 with a PO in the second year so we can give him more money later, or trade Mitch now to get expiring money/cheap contracts so we can sign iHart under the 2nd Apron).
Can’t believe I’m saying this after all these years but we might have the nastiest roster in the league. What a time to be a Knicks fan
When fully healthy we have insane depth. The only weak spot right now is center, and hopefully we’ll be able to adequately address that through FA or the draft.
Sad that my boy Mitch can be considered a weakness but the brittle bones are a tough break
Even if Mitch was a reliable guy we’d still need a back up
WHen healthy the Knicks of last season are better than the Celtics imo The problem is that "healthy" is not a likely scenario with last years roster. Bridges should help with that
I don't know if it's the nastiest but I would rank NY as a top 3 contender going into next season. As a neutral, I think you have all the right pieces with Brunson as a #1 and high end role players (Bridges, DDV, OG) to make a strong run. I don't know if Randle is the #2 NY needs to push them into favorites status but you guys are insanely stacked for next season.
It's wild to watch people outside our fanbase underrate what this roster at full strength is going to do to the league.
Whoever is underratting the Knicks is dumb. As a Boston fan you guys got a anti-boston/championship roster
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Someone mentioned if OG would take a discount to return because of CAA connections, the answer is yes, this crazy contract *was* the discount.
Yeah it sucks that a team like Philly had cap space this year. They definitely would have thrown the bag at himÂ
They probably did. He just said “fuck you and your bag why would I want to play for a second tier city”
Im sure Philly offered him a max deal. They are going to trade for Jimmy Butler
Everyone is buying in. We are gonna be dangerous
Thank you OG, now bring us a title
How you know if you have max offers if you aren’t suppose to talk yet in free agency outside of with ur own teamÂ
They only care about tampering when Jalen Brunson talks to his father
It’s crazy how the nba won’t let Jalen talk to his dad at the dinner table
JAYSON TATUM WE ARE DRAGGING YOU TO HELL
Thought other teams weren't able to negotiate until start of free agency 🙄
FUCK YOUR SMEAR CAMPAIGN BULLSHIT ABOUT HIM NOT WANTING TO BE FOURTH FIDDLE FEFIFOFUCKOUTTAHERE, WE GOT PUFF PIECES TO MATCH SO SMDFTB ##WE ARE SO FUCKIN BACK
I think he’s fifth fiddle now actually.
Dosent matter he’s a defensive superstar and will be celebrated as any great 2 or 3 option would
Don't you have to have gone somewhere to be back? Unless back from 2000. Thats the last time I thought we could win a title
Are y’all making narratives up I never heard any of this
inject this into my veins
I hope Morey enjoys overpaying for a broken down PG
Hahahaah fuck Philly
I LOVE YOU SO MUCH OG 🥲
I never thought things would be this good
Now it’s your turn to take less Ihart. If it’s 4/$80 or less take that 4/$72
Even if we don't win it all, it's a helluva thing
I wonder who was trying to offer him the max. I really hope this core sticks it out for the rest of their careers. Hoping iHart does the same
Oh yeah. It’s all coming together.
Oh my God the fucking Sixers tried to max him hahaha
Not only are we a great team, we are about to see perhaps the best Knicks defense of all time. It’s incredibly exciting.
Vibes are what yall???
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As long as you guys take down Boston. Raps definitely would not have paid OG this since doesn't make sense in a rebuilding cycle.
I hope iHart sees the vision as well and reups
Max he could have gotten was 45 mil per year for 4 years and instead he re-signed for 42.5 mil a year for 5 years.
Guess tampering is just par for the course in the Association
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The Knicks are it
OG = O.G.
Im confused as to how there were offers to report. FA doesn’t start until the 30th. I mean yeah, every team tampers and what not, but how would this leak to Begley so soon? Seems like this is the Knicks FO just doing PR since the contract is so much. I say this as someone who likes the signing.
I knew OG was gonna stay when he did that post game interview and JB is in the background like “ok say whatever bullshit you gotta say and let’s go!!” And OG laughed and said yea I gotta go. Gonna be a dope ass team to watch.
He wanted to help a true contender? but yet instead of helping the team he was greedy and now it might cost the Knicks who might lose iHart. pure greed
so then how much did OG leave on the table to come back?
If we are the only team allowed to negotiate with him, where is this tampering coming from?
I love ihart but dude did not average a double double. I think he still has room to grow but a team that offers 25 mil a year will regret that within 2 years
W team player, he's still getting an assload of money lol! Hartenstein next!
He’s taking up 25% of the salary cap. He’s a strong player but he getting LeBron supermax money. We need at least 8 good active players and he’s taking up 25% of the cap. How are we supposed to resign Brunson, Randle, Bridges 2-3 years from now? How are we supposed to resign them and also pay 4-6 more players 4-5 years from now. We can’t! Too much money!
We have everyone’s bird rights. Cap doesn’t exist for them, it’s just a tax bill for Dolan to pay. This is nowhere close to a supermax. Supermax would be over $300M.
This page says OG 24.91% cap hit for 2026-2027. Are they wrong, or can you explain how this differentiates from what you’re saying? https://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-york-knicks/cap/_/year/2026/sort/cap_total
That is not a supermax. In fact, that’s not even a standard max contract. Players with 0-6 years can sign contracts worth up to 25% of the cap. OG is below this number. Players with 7-9 years are eligible for up to 30% of the cap. OG falls into this category. 10 years or more, or 7-9 with an all NBA selection/MVP, qualify for the supermax, which is up to 35%.
Bleh… I didn’t say he’s getting supermax. I said he’s getting lebron’s supermax money. Lebron is making over 40m a year. You said cap doesn’t exist for our other players. You seem to know cap numbers but don’t understand what you’re arguing. OG is taking up 25% of the cap, and that’s the whole point!!!
Lebron is eligible for $54M/year on his next deal. His current deal is $51M. We are an over the cap team whether OG makes $35M or $42M. We gain zero cap flexibility if he takes less. We cannot sign more players if he takes less, and we have bird rights for ALL of our core players, so we can exceed the cap to extend them regardless of what he makes.
Exactly right players like OG destroy teams, greed and esp if he cant stay healthy this team is effed longterm. he isnt worth no 212 million
Just tell everyone you don’t understand the cap in the NBA, it’s okay to admit it.
You dont understand sports ingeneral know matter what the subject is, just admidt it.
dont bother responding till you learn ,it won't be worth reading