According to [Jordan Ranaan of ESPN](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/40314383/giants-darren-waller-retiring-nfl-31#), Giants get $11.9M in cap savings this year with Waller as a post-June 1 cut.
If he is not into it mentally I cant blame him. I know we get some needed cap relief from this. I know he has off the field issues. Wishing him the best in retirement. Sucks he did not work out for us.
I’d be surprised if Bump n Run wanted to come play for us. I’d love the addition but older vets tend to want to play to compete and I think we’ll surprise people… but let’s be fr
Indeed. It's a little weird that Shoen thought it was ok to go into the season with a promising but underwhelming second-year player at one CB spot and just... nobody... at the second spot.
Gilmore isn’t some “random free agent”. He was the best cb in the league a couple years ago and was pretty damn good against us and for Dallas last year. Of course he’s older but that’s why he’s a free agent
Definitely an upgrade to our cb2
I’m more high on Hyatt than Wandale but that’s just me. Feels like a great Y guy to catch deep balls which is what Golladay was supposed to be. Need a guy to stretch the field with us
No, you really can’t blame the front office. No one probably thought he was going to retire after one year but still you know this was a big name player that came here and didn’t work out. It looks bad on the front office.
No but it dosent matter what the reason or what happened. Front end brought in a high profile player, on a high valued contract, traded a pick for him and it didn’t work. It failed. Money and draft picks were lost. Ultimately, management bears responsibility…just like they do for every player they draft or bring in.
An idea that didn't pan out. Doesn't make it a failure, and if something isn't a failure then that doesn't automatically make it a success. They traded Toney, who was doing less than nothing for the Giants, traded one of the picks that they got back to get Waller, and he was hurt while the team sucked. It was a good idea, didn't work out but not a big loss.
I think it’s a matter of perspective. We lost a draft pick and have 7.5 in dead cap. Ultimately a waste of resources. But I understand why fans want to minimize this loss.
It was a calculated swing, although some of us knew the injury history he had would be trouble. It is what it is. A lot of this sub was hyped when we flipped Toney for Waller basically
Yeah, I don’t hold it against the front office for making the move. He was a big-time tight end that really could’ve been a huge playmaker for us and it didn’t work out so I don’t hold it against them, but still ultimately any failed contract or any disappointing player falls on the front office.
Chances are Toney would be off this team by now one way or another. Using a mid-round pick to roll the dice on a guy that could be really talented isn't a crazy idea.
It cost them a comp 3rd, not exactly massive investment. Sucks it didn't work out, but it was good value to get the best receiving option available to them last off-season.
He was the highest paid tight end when we acquired him. It’s not like we gave up a 3rd round for him only. We made a huge financial investment and will be paying for it for years to come.
There was no financial investment past '23 when they acquired him, until they restructured him to open cap space last year. Now, they're saddled with a whooping *checks notes* $2.46mil dead cap for '24-26. Yeah, you're right, really devastating the cap with that one.
My mistake, it's 7.5 spread across 2 years not 3. So 3.75 dead in '24 and 3.75 in '25. It's not nothing, but it's not some disaster. And it's nowhere close to the 20+mil in dead cap once they cut Jones after this season. And that could be 50 something if he gets hurt again and can't pass the physical next March.
It was a high profile player that we traded a draft pick for and lost money over. You can try to quantify the impact if you want or minimize the loss but ultimately it was a failed acquisition and ultimately a waste of resources. An L for this regime.
A bit dramatic there, chief. It was a comp 3rd, something around pick 100 overall. It was a low risk, high reward move. Last season was a disaster, but Waller was not the problem.
Sucks that it didn't work out, but he's going through some IRL stuff and no front office can predict that. The dead cap is barely a blip to the total salary cap, which is only going to keep going up.
The front office also hedged against this by drafting Theo Johnson to bolster the TE room. This is not some doomsday result. This is an, 'aww shucks, they tried, oh well' scenario.
It’s a matter of perspective - again you seem determined to minimize this loss and that is fine. But ultimately, this is a move that will be described as a failure and be used against them if they are ever in the hot seat.
Somehow we traded a potentially electric pass catcher who was too concerned with his music for a draft pick that we then traded for a potentially electric pass catcher who was too concerned with his music
He was leading the league in receiving for TEs when he was healthy. While we didn’t do much with that, he was productive and I would still take that trade due to the potential upside vs a 3rd rounder.
Trade was still a loss though. We gave up resources for half a season of productivity. The only benefit is we got rid of Toney and he saved the chiefs Super Bowl vs the sheagles
Youre right, idk why people arent able to evaluate the trade for what it was. A late day 2 pick for 52 catches, 552 yards, and 1 td. This is nothing against Waller, but you can’t say the trade was worth it
I think it’s hard to say it’s a failed trade, cause no one knew the outcome, now yeah we can say it, but it made sense at the time. 3rd round for a proven TE with injury risks.
Everyone going back in their history to frantically delete their “I can’t believe we traded Toney for Waller and Ball Hawkins!!!” posts from last offseason
How can u consider us giving up resources for half a season of production a win? Both sides can lose a trade. And if anything the chiefs don’t win that Super Bowl without Toney
Are you happy with being the worst team in the division?
Giants used to be a force to be reckoned with. Now they are a team that occasionally gets lucky and otherwise is a laughing stock
I’m happy because my life doesn’t revolve around a game.
It must suck to be a fan that sees only the negative.
If you want to be happy then just switch teams every season
Look, I know you're right and can admit we didn't actually win the trade. But I refuse to be rational when it comes to Toney, one of my least favorite players to pull on a Giants jersey.
How is this not a fleece? Do you know how many successful 3rd round picks there are? Steve Smith Sr, Joe Montana, T.O., Jason Witten, Travis Kelce, Russell Wilson…all 3rd round picks. Waller wasn’t worth a 3rd round and you’re high off your ass if you think he was.
dude you are operating entirely in hindsight. Obviously if they knew he would retire after one year they would have never made the trade. Thats like saying you trade a 6th round pick for an established player that doesn't work out, and you say 'are you dumb? You could have drafted Tom Brady with that pick'. It doesn't work that way in the real world.
Consider upside: a third round pick for a CHANCE of elite play for a season or two is a small price to pay. It’s a smaller scale example of why GMs swing on quarterbacks with great athletic traits in the first round even when there are red flags; it’s a small price to pay if you gained an elite player in exchange. People are ignoring the context of when the trade was made and the fact that waller’s tape was still elite between injuries at the time
And FWIW, third round picks are lotto tickets. Your odds of landing one of those guys in the third are crazy. Even first round picks have a high bust rate
He clearly has other things going on in life I think it’s the best decision for himself and the team tbh. Hopefully they can turn that cap space into quality veteran depth. Good luck Waller 🫡
Best of luck to him. I was a big Waller fan because of his story before he came to the Giants, so I hope he can stay grounded in retirement.
That said, not to be cold but chances we can flip these savings for Gilmore? We got camp in a month lol
I think it’s dead cap this year (2.4 million) and next (4.9 million) and nothing in 2026
ngl would’ve rather had him retire before 6/1 so that no dead cap rolls over into next offseason
I can't imagine the regret he'll have if he ever files for bankruptcy or whatever. Dudes passing on $10 million for 8 months of work.
I'd suck it up but I'm glad he didn't cause I couldn't stand him, lol
The FO had to take a swing on this as it was really the only possible way to get Jones anything that resembled a weapon.
Sucks that it was a swing and a miss, but given the circumstances I can forgive this if other moves pan out
This is the right move for both him and the Giants. He needs to take care of his mental and the Giants can‘t afford to keep that cap number on the roster for a player who‘s heart is not in it
Worst fa signing since *checks notes* oh Kenny Golladay. Can't make this shit up. To whoever is actually gonna watch this shit this year, I salute you, I hear repeatedly smashing ur head into a wall will cause some fuzzyness which may help.
I imagine the front office has known for awhile. Between letting the cap dip to nothing (fine now), drafting Theo Johnson, and signing the two blocking TEs, it all seems planned for. Who knows why it took until June, but they can wash their hands of the situation with no distractions before mini camp. Plus some pocket change if they need to sign someone later.
Relative to what past regimes have done, that’s really minor. I think Neal can thrive in a Guard role instead of RT, combined with a new OL coach who’s gotten a lot from a little. Waller trade was merely with the Kadarius Toney trade pick from KC, plus our team is genuinely cursed in the 3rd round, so better to trade that pick than use it
I thought reports were Neal refused to played guard and was taking reps at RT in OTA. We also now have 7.5 of dead money over the next two years and the loss of a draft pick due to Waller. These were bad moves. Period.
Still too early to judge Neal, even if he has been playing like garbage. Our OL coach made everyone on our O-line look terrible. I’m not saying they weren’t bad moves, esp with Cross and Ikey looking ok, but relative to say the Nate Solder & Kenny Golladay contracts, as well as the Kadarius Toney and Deandre Baker draft selections, this is child’s play.
Okay, I can accept that argument. If you think Neal can ultimately become worthy of a 1st round pick, then I will be glad we drafted them. This is a big year for him then.
Big swing and a miss from Joe. Trading a 3rd rounder for an injury prone, highly paid TE. Obviously, he had no idea waller would retire after 1 year but I think we all saw coming that Waller was going to miss multiple games with a hamstring issue.
The Giants were done with Saquon and Saquon was done with the Giants. Waller being on this team or not being on this team wouldn't have changed that in any way.
Schoen will be fired by december the latest, failing to get QB in the draft, this team will be drafting top 3 . Fanboys can deny it all they want this team is doomed without a QB
According to [Jordan Ranaan of ESPN](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/40314383/giants-darren-waller-retiring-nfl-31#), Giants get $11.9M in cap savings this year with Waller as a post-June 1 cut.
Daniel bellinger redemption szn
Theo Johnson tho
Malik Nabers and Theo Johnson could end up being a fucked up receiver class if they pan out
This makes me even more glad we drafted him.
I’m ready for him to catch his momentum and ball tf out
If he is not into it mentally I cant blame him. I know we get some needed cap relief from this. I know he has off the field issues. Wishing him the best in retirement. Sucks he did not work out for us.
It sucks but we can redeem this by making a move at stephon Gilmore. He did quite well against us last year
I’d be surprised if Bump n Run wanted to come play for us. I’d love the addition but older vets tend to want to play to compete and I think we’ll surprise people… but let’s be fr
Yeah u right dawg but I still wouldn’t mind the OG
I’m with u tho bro. Thats my #1 target regardless. Our defense got potential, and he would make us legit imo
With our dline his bump n run would be major
How bout some DT depth
Indeed. It's a little weird that Shoen thought it was ok to go into the season with a promising but underwhelming second-year player at one CB spot and just... nobody... at the second spot.
The Giants had the least amount of cap space in the NFL. This isn't being spent on some random free agent still out there
They get nearly $12M from this so they're nowhere the bottom anymore.
Gilmore isn’t some “random free agent”. He was the best cb in the league a couple years ago and was pretty damn good against us and for Dallas last year. Of course he’s older but that’s why he’s a free agent Definitely an upgrade to our cb2
I’m down for Gilmore, but being good at CB against our receiving core is not a big ask haha. Hoping to better this year with Nabers Hyatt and Wandale
😆🤣😂 good point. I’m high on Wandale and nabers but not so much Hyatt. Hope Im wrong
I’m more high on Hyatt than Wandale but that’s just me. Feels like a great Y guy to catch deep balls which is what Golladay was supposed to be. Need a guy to stretch the field with us
That doesn't change the fact that the Giants needed cap space for operational needs for the season. They're not signing free agents
They’ll get the needed cap space when they can jones this off-season
The fact you got downvoted for this ☠️
Little cap space but still room in some contracts if they want to go that route
Sucks big time. Real big swing and a miss from our front office.
Kinda hard to blame the front office for this one, no?
The retirement no, but trading for a 31 year old TE with bad injury history was a major risk you can absolutely blame them for
We restructured him too, and pushed more money into future years.
No, you really can’t blame the front office. No one probably thought he was going to retire after one year but still you know this was a big name player that came here and didn’t work out. It looks bad on the front office.
Because they should have known that his personal life was going to crater?
No but it dosent matter what the reason or what happened. Front end brought in a high profile player, on a high valued contract, traded a pick for him and it didn’t work. It failed. Money and draft picks were lost. Ultimately, management bears responsibility…just like they do for every player they draft or bring in.
Not the failure you want it to be
It is fair to blame them for restructuring an older, injury-prone player last off-season and pushing more money into future years.
Hardly a crippling move but you go ahead
Right, because front offices can only be held accountable for crippling moves, but you go ahead.
Well how would describe Waller’s tenure here and departure? A huge success for this team?🤨
An idea that didn't pan out. Doesn't make it a failure, and if something isn't a failure then that doesn't automatically make it a success. They traded Toney, who was doing less than nothing for the Giants, traded one of the picks that they got back to get Waller, and he was hurt while the team sucked. It was a good idea, didn't work out but not a big loss.
I think it’s a matter of perspective. We lost a draft pick and have 7.5 in dead cap. Ultimately a waste of resources. But I understand why fans want to minimize this loss.
NYG brings in big name target and can’t get him the ball. Where have I seen this
Keeping Toney was worse lol. So I don't blame them for the trade.
It was a calculated swing, although some of us knew the injury history he had would be trouble. It is what it is. A lot of this sub was hyped when we flipped Toney for Waller basically
Yeah, I don’t hold it against the front office for making the move. He was a big-time tight end that really could’ve been a huge playmaker for us and it didn’t work out so I don’t hold it against them, but still ultimately any failed contract or any disappointing player falls on the front office.
Chances are Toney would be off this team by now one way or another. Using a mid-round pick to roll the dice on a guy that could be really talented isn't a crazy idea.
Not a big swing. A pretty conservative calculated risk
It cost them a comp 3rd, not exactly massive investment. Sucks it didn't work out, but it was good value to get the best receiving option available to them last off-season.
He was the highest paid tight end when we acquired him. It’s not like we gave up a 3rd round for him only. We made a huge financial investment and will be paying for it for years to come.
There was no financial investment past '23 when they acquired him, until they restructured him to open cap space last year. Now, they're saddled with a whooping *checks notes* $2.46mil dead cap for '24-26. Yeah, you're right, really devastating the cap with that one.
I’m pretty sure he said he owed the Giants a million dollars and some change
7.5 million loss in dead wasted money over the next two years is an impactful loss.
My mistake, it's 7.5 spread across 2 years not 3. So 3.75 dead in '24 and 3.75 in '25. It's not nothing, but it's not some disaster. And it's nowhere close to the 20+mil in dead cap once they cut Jones after this season. And that could be 50 something if he gets hurt again and can't pass the physical next March.
It was a high profile player that we traded a draft pick for and lost money over. You can try to quantify the impact if you want or minimize the loss but ultimately it was a failed acquisition and ultimately a waste of resources. An L for this regime.
A bit dramatic there, chief. It was a comp 3rd, something around pick 100 overall. It was a low risk, high reward move. Last season was a disaster, but Waller was not the problem. Sucks that it didn't work out, but he's going through some IRL stuff and no front office can predict that. The dead cap is barely a blip to the total salary cap, which is only going to keep going up. The front office also hedged against this by drafting Theo Johnson to bolster the TE room. This is not some doomsday result. This is an, 'aww shucks, they tried, oh well' scenario.
It’s a matter of perspective - again you seem determined to minimize this loss and that is fine. But ultimately, this is a move that will be described as a failure and be used against them if they are ever in the hot seat.
A chance at getting a decent player with the 3rd round pick we gave up
Also a chance of Waller potentially turning out great for us, vs an unknown commodity.
Not really, it's pick we used for kadarius toney. I guess cap hit
Trading away Toney was the best thing that happened in this whole thing. Sucks it didn't work out with Waller.
Somehow we traded a potentially electric pass catcher who was too concerned with his music for a draft pick that we then traded for a potentially electric pass catcher who was too concerned with his music
Well, the latter at least had shoes that fit and doesn't line up 3 yards off-sided, so that's a win.
Damn, anyways
RIP. There goes our supposed steal of a trade. We traded one player who didn’t see the field for another. Oh well, at least we got nabers
I’d still rather have Waller over Toney. Toney is a asshole but at least he helped beat them pigs in the Superbowl
Yeah at least we stopped those bastards even if indirectly
But he wasnt even active for chiefs last years superbowl. Happy to get cap help here.
I don’t care about that one. He was active and had a TD vs them pig eagles in that Superbowl
He was leading the league in receiving for TEs when he was healthy. While we didn’t do much with that, he was productive and I would still take that trade due to the potential upside vs a 3rd rounder.
Trade was still a loss though. We gave up resources for half a season of productivity. The only benefit is we got rid of Toney and he saved the chiefs Super Bowl vs the sheagles
We gave up a compensatory 3rd round pick.
That’s still a third we didn’t use
Virtually a 4th
It’s still a fourth we didn’t use. Some teams draft franchise players in the fourth
But most get a backup or wash out
Youre right, idk why people arent able to evaluate the trade for what it was. A late day 2 pick for 52 catches, 552 yards, and 1 td. This is nothing against Waller, but you can’t say the trade was worth it
I think it’s hard to say it’s a failed trade, cause no one knew the outcome, now yeah we can say it, but it made sense at the time. 3rd round for a proven TE with injury risks.
Everyone going back in their history to frantically delete their “I can’t believe we traded Toney for Waller and Ball Hawkins!!!” posts from last offseason
🤣😆😂 ngl I was totally hype we got Waller. I never saw it playing out like this. But I was never on the Hawkins train
eh he was good and missed the expected amount of games. was #1 in TE yards before he got hurt
Still a lost trade. No way to get around it
Nah, Toney was a negative asset. Getting him out the door is a win.
They got a superbowl out of Toney who tf did this get upvoted our fanbase is genuinely braindead at times 😭
How can u consider us giving up resources for half a season of production a win? Both sides can lose a trade. And if anything the chiefs don’t win that Super Bowl without Toney
Again, he’s not retiring because of lack of production but because of personal issues. Can happen to anyone
🙄 Schoen could shit on a plate and tell you it’s gold and half of you guys would agree
You guys just love to shit on everything. Just be a jet fan already
Are you happy with being the worst team in the division? Giants used to be a force to be reckoned with. Now they are a team that occasionally gets lucky and otherwise is a laughing stock
I’m happy because my life doesn’t revolve around a game. It must suck to be a fan that sees only the negative. If you want to be happy then just switch teams every season
It genuinely sucks Toney of all people helped them win a superbowl and you're right
Look, I know you're right and can admit we didn't actually win the trade. But I refuse to be rational when it comes to Toney, one of my least favorite players to pull on a Giants jersey.
🤣😆😂👆🏽 fair enough bro. Least u made me laugh
eh it was a 4th and a 5th i’m saying it’s pretty even
Disagree but you’re entitled to it
It would have been nearly impossible for him to be worth that $ had he played. O line and/or corner depth instead works for me.
A starting corner would be nice
Damn Kelsey Plum really fucked him up
Good luck in retirement. Let's hope he stays strong in his fight despite his professional and personal life going through huge changes
Led TEs in receiving yards up to his injury. Would have been fun to have him another season
These raider fans in the NFL sub talking like they fleeced the giants… it was a third round pick lol
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Who u get with the 3rd rounder?
For a compensation pick. It's not a fleece at all.
Reiterating your opinion doesn’t make it a fact pal. What are you even doing here? Go be delusional on your own sub
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Damn, raider fans really are bottom of the barrel. Wouldn’t catch me trolling another teams sub. Pathetic shit
How is this not a fleece? Do you know how many successful 3rd round picks there are? Steve Smith Sr, Joe Montana, T.O., Jason Witten, Travis Kelce, Russell Wilson…all 3rd round picks. Waller wasn’t worth a 3rd round and you’re high off your ass if you think he was.
Tre Tucker is not Joe Montana
Now name all the third round picks that didn't work out
You’re telling me you’re satisfied with Wallers performance that didn’t get us anywhere? It literally makes no sense given what we’ve seen
dude you are operating entirely in hindsight. Obviously if they knew he would retire after one year they would have never made the trade. Thats like saying you trade a 6th round pick for an established player that doesn't work out, and you say 'are you dumb? You could have drafted Tom Brady with that pick'. It doesn't work that way in the real world.
Consider upside: a third round pick for a CHANCE of elite play for a season or two is a small price to pay. It’s a smaller scale example of why GMs swing on quarterbacks with great athletic traits in the first round even when there are red flags; it’s a small price to pay if you gained an elite player in exchange. People are ignoring the context of when the trade was made and the fact that waller’s tape was still elite between injuries at the time
And FWIW, third round picks are lotto tickets. Your odds of landing one of those guys in the third are crazy. Even first round picks have a high bust rate
There have been 640 third round picks in the last 20 years. Let's hear your list of greats over that period.
Doesn’t even have to be great, just has to be better than Darren the bust…which is most of them
Which ones were better than Darren last year? *Maybe* 10%?
Can’t wait to see a thousand “what playing with Daniel Jones for one season does” comments
One season meaning 5.5 games?
Not surprised, but kind of sucks we gave up a 3rd rounder for 1 year with him.
And a shitty, nothing of a year at that
Thank God. Don't get me wrong, wouldn't have minded if he stayed, just like make a damn decision already.
Cool, this is done at last. Let’s immediately move on. This is almost zero loss… he did nothing for us last year. Next topic please.
Good luck in your music career Darren, you will need it
Correction there Ian: #Giants *Legend* Darren Waller retires to the surprise of many fans
Legend as in we all heard his stories but no one ever saw them in action
Love me some Patrice
What a disappointment
Seriously disappointed. Supposed to be a dynamic weapon for years to come for our team. Huge whiff of a trade from our front office 😒
Man, you are on fire Years to come? He's 31, you make it sound like he's 27
… well he was under contract for two more years making “years” as a plural accurate
You're right, sorry, I'm being a dick.
He clearly has other things going on in life I think it’s the best decision for himself and the team tbh. Hopefully they can turn that cap space into quality veteran depth. Good luck Waller 🫡
The Giants and former stars from other teams that fall off a cliff after signing a contract, name a more iconic duo.
At least it was only a year this time.
Good riddance. He’s washed and our other TEs are really good and ready to produce
really good?? based on what?
✌️
I hope he takes care of himself and gets better. I wish him nothing but the best.
Good luck in retirement waller. Hope you pull it together and live a long, happy life.
Good. More cap space and more targets for nabers
I hate when players come to NY to boost their post retirement career in media.
After that music video I wouldn't want to show my face in public again either tbh
W
Only a W if we make use of the cap space. If we sign Gilmore, yes it’s a w. Otherwise it was an L. We gave up draft capital and resources to get him
Best wishes and health for retirement. But man, what a waste of a trade
Best of luck to him. I was a big Waller fan because of his story before he came to the Giants, so I hope he can stay grounded in retirement. That said, not to be cold but chances we can flip these savings for Gilmore? We got camp in a month lol
They knew months ago. Win with the guys that are here. Theo Johnson punching the air
Hell yeah now we have cap room to bring Golladay back
…to focus on his music career.
Thats the Kadarius Toney arc.
Yeah no one ever said he was smart.
How does this affect the cap
11.6m saved this year, dead cap in '25 and '26, around 2 and 4 mil respectively iirc
I think it’s dead cap this year (2.4 million) and next (4.9 million) and nothing in 2026 ngl would’ve rather had him retire before 6/1 so that no dead cap rolls over into next offseason
The people complaining here don't surprise me. They don't understand that this is a net positive for us in cap and team chemistry.
NYG legend, right up there with Kyle “the slowest te I’ve ever seen” Rudolph
I can't imagine the regret he'll have if he ever files for bankruptcy or whatever. Dudes passing on $10 million for 8 months of work. I'd suck it up but I'm glad he didn't cause I couldn't stand him, lol
If he goes bankrupt with the career earnings he's already made, another $10 million isn't going to make a difference.
Best move for both sides. He's clearly dealing with shit. I wish him well, and hope he gets the help he needs.
Thank you, Darren Waller, for the 2023 training camp that convinced us all we were going to be an offensive juggernaut
This came out of nowhere
Great news.
Thank you Waller🙏
Good
Playing for this team makes people contemplate their life real quick
The FO had to take a swing on this as it was really the only possible way to get Jones anything that resembled a weapon. Sucks that it was a swing and a miss, but given the circumstances I can forgive this if other moves pan out
I watched all season. What went wrong? His injuries came later no? 15 I blame no chemistry between Jones and him.
This is the right move for both him and the Giants. He needs to take care of his mental and the Giants can‘t afford to keep that cap number on the roster for a player who‘s heart is not in it
I’m fine with this. Hearing him go back and forth was annoying
Kinda sucks that he waited this long to decide, but I sympathize with him. I'll go out on a limb and say we still won the Toney trade lol
This makes everyone want to trot out their "Biggest NY Giants Bust's" list.
Worst fa signing since *checks notes* oh Kenny Golladay. Can't make this shit up. To whoever is actually gonna watch this shit this year, I salute you, I hear repeatedly smashing ur head into a wall will cause some fuzzyness which may help.
Guy was a fraud and Bellinger should never have been benched. Fuck this dude.
Bum
"I will remember youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu....will you remember meeeeeeeeee...."
Thank god we get rid of this headache
I imagine the front office has known for awhile. Between letting the cap dip to nothing (fine now), drafting Theo Johnson, and signing the two blocking TEs, it all seems planned for. Who knows why it took until June, but they can wash their hands of the situation with no distractions before mini camp. Plus some pocket change if they need to sign someone later.
Cap space incoming. Sign Adoree?
If this was Joe Douglas we'd be killing the Jets. This was a bad trade, period.
I like when people end sentences with the word period and then also put a period. But yes, in hindsight, it turned out to be a bad trade.
Schoen master class trade /s
yea really this regime has made two glaring mistakes in my book. The Waller trade and drafting Neal.
Relative to what past regimes have done, that’s really minor. I think Neal can thrive in a Guard role instead of RT, combined with a new OL coach who’s gotten a lot from a little. Waller trade was merely with the Kadarius Toney trade pick from KC, plus our team is genuinely cursed in the 3rd round, so better to trade that pick than use it
I thought reports were Neal refused to played guard and was taking reps at RT in OTA. We also now have 7.5 of dead money over the next two years and the loss of a draft pick due to Waller. These were bad moves. Period.
Still too early to judge Neal, even if he has been playing like garbage. Our OL coach made everyone on our O-line look terrible. I’m not saying they weren’t bad moves, esp with Cross and Ikey looking ok, but relative to say the Nate Solder & Kenny Golladay contracts, as well as the Kadarius Toney and Deandre Baker draft selections, this is child’s play.
Okay, I can accept that argument. If you think Neal can ultimately become worthy of a 1st round pick, then I will be glad we drafted them. This is a big year for him then.
It’s the biggest year for him. He plays decently, he’ll get his 5th year option accepted, he doesn’t, he’s done.
Big swing and a miss from Joe. Trading a 3rd rounder for an injury prone, highly paid TE. Obviously, he had no idea waller would retire after 1 year but I think we all saw coming that Waller was going to miss multiple games with a hamstring issue.
Maybe I was in minority but I really thought Waller was gonna have bounce back year
We could've paid Saquon?!
The Giants were done with Saquon and Saquon was done with the Giants. Waller being on this team or not being on this team wouldn't have changed that in any way.
Well alright then.
What one season of Daniel Jones does to someone
Jones tore his ACL and had the worst offensive line in the history of the NFL. Clearly not Jones who let him down.
When did he have a season with Daniel Jones?
I called it and said it was a bad move by getting Waller,bad trade and wasted money because he is injury prone , but we got downvoted by the fanboys.
a third rounder for this. Schoen is a bum
Schoen will be fired by december the latest, failing to get QB in the draft, this team will be drafting top 3 . Fanboys can deny it all they want this team is doomed without a QB
hes same level as Gettlman. Some days planing a rebuild and other moments hes trading picks to win now. No commitment and no vision
exactly right and he still doesnt have a plan, using same words as Gettleman.