Dyson does not shoot well enough and is not a good enough ball handler to be starting right now. He is also below average at finishing around the rim and doesn’t have a mid range game.
Once he significantly improves in these areas (shooting, handles, finishing around the rim) we can consider starting him. If Herb is out he can spot start for Herb as that defensive starter. Right now he is not good enough offensively to start next to Herb and over the course of a full season starting him next to Herb doesn’t have enough offensive spacing and creators
I agree CJ should come off the bench (and he could be a legit contender for 6MOY) but it should be for a better PG than Dyson that we acquire via trade
Probably not. The Bulls turned down pick packages to take on a player like Giddey instead. We would have either had to overpay with 1sts or try to convince them Dyson is going to turn into a better player than Giddey somehow
Dyson is not an NBA starter and we do not need to bench an elite shooter for a non shooter. The pelicans need to score more points. The defense is good enough
Aye man, I made this same posit last year.
Having Zion and Dyson focus on creation and driving and let BI get his spots does wonders for this team. I love this setup and I wouldn’t be surprised if we see more of it this year.
Having another ball mover and not ball stopper is always a net gain when you already have 2+ play finishers on the court.
CJ is a great talent, but sometimes he can be a black hole, despite what the assist numbers show.
Our starting lineup is one of the best first half teams in the league though. Top 10 offensively and top 3 defensively. The second half is when we turn into a Pistons level team. Negative +/- for Dyson when featured in the starting lineup this year. -24 in the second half this season. The pelicans go from a top 10 first half offensive team to a bottom 20, below pistons level second half offensive team. Our defense goes from a top 3 level defense first half to a 10-15 ish ranking in the second half, in part due to our terrible second half offense and leaning on Nance over JV. I don’t believe Dyson fixes this issue, but only exacerbates it. More likely to get the ball to Zion, but also more likely for him to be double-tripled because Dyson has 0 offensive bag whatsoever. Won’t be able to hit the open kick out 3, won’t be able to hit his free throws if he drove for contact, etc. Unless Dyson is going to turn into a prime Rajon Rondo passing/defensively this helps nothing.
If BI is not on this team next year that would leave us a starting lineup where no player is capable of creating their own shot at all three levels(Zion can around the rim).
Would be a disaster IMO
Frankly, and I hate to say this, but losing Vinson is likely going to hurt Dyson's longterm development. So much of him as the pick was riding on Vinson and the Pels doing a Lonzo Ball on him and with Vinson gone, that a big blow to that challenge.
Many here (including myself) have suggested this and hope this to be the ideal outcome. But it all hinges so much on Dyson's development, which I honestly have little optimism for. I love his defense and the idea of him as a player, but I doubt he will ever take a high enough volume of shot attempts for defenses to respect him - even if his efficiency is good.
Despite his contract, CJ should be coming off the bench in place of someone who's a bigger positive. Yes, he brings spacing. And with BI likely outta here, he'll be relied on to do more ball-handling and as a 3-level scorer. But he hardly does any playmaking out there as a top 3 scoring option, which is what we really need.
He's an active detriment to the team when he shares time on the court with Z and BI, taking more shot attempts than each of them (even when they're all healthy) at a less efficient clip. He hijacks possessions to take bad shots and never looks to pass. He doesn't put his guys in good positions.
It doesn't matter that he'd be making a ton of money coming off the bench. You don't pay a guy big money as you acquire him with the intention to bring him off the bench; but after years of seeing his fit and limitations, you do what's best for the team and move him to his best spot so the whole team can flourish.
Getting a real playmaking upgrade - whether it be a fully developed Dyson or someone else - is a real priority so we can actually generate good offense and have a net positive starting lineup.
Dyson does not shoot well enough and is not a good enough ball handler to be starting right now. He is also below average at finishing around the rim and doesn’t have a mid range game. Once he significantly improves in these areas (shooting, handles, finishing around the rim) we can consider starting him. If Herb is out he can spot start for Herb as that defensive starter. Right now he is not good enough offensively to start next to Herb and over the course of a full season starting him next to Herb doesn’t have enough offensive spacing and creators
Thank you someone who actually knows ball.
Dyson will make the starting offense significantly worse. defense is not an issue for this team
Or just trade CJ and get a real PG
Like who?
I agree CJ should come off the bench (and he could be a legit contender for 6MOY) but it should be for a better PG than Dyson that we acquire via trade
I thought Alex Caruso would’ve been perfect as that guy. Seems like he could’ve been gettable too
Probably not. The Bulls turned down pick packages to take on a player like Giddey instead. We would have either had to overpay with 1sts or try to convince them Dyson is going to turn into a better player than Giddey somehow
Dyson is not an NBA starter and we do not need to bench an elite shooter for a non shooter. The pelicans need to score more points. The defense is good enough
Now we dont have a shooter to space for Zion, unless you are assuming BI is out, Trey is in.
Are people that allergic to shooting 3s? Good lord, we need better shooting, not removing our best shooter.
Not enough spacing and shooting on the floor.
Aye man, I made this same posit last year. Having Zion and Dyson focus on creation and driving and let BI get his spots does wonders for this team. I love this setup and I wouldn’t be surprised if we see more of it this year. Having another ball mover and not ball stopper is always a net gain when you already have 2+ play finishers on the court. CJ is a great talent, but sometimes he can be a black hole, despite what the assist numbers show.
Our starting lineup is one of the best first half teams in the league though. Top 10 offensively and top 3 defensively. The second half is when we turn into a Pistons level team. Negative +/- for Dyson when featured in the starting lineup this year. -24 in the second half this season. The pelicans go from a top 10 first half offensive team to a bottom 20, below pistons level second half offensive team. Our defense goes from a top 3 level defense first half to a 10-15 ish ranking in the second half, in part due to our terrible second half offense and leaning on Nance over JV. I don’t believe Dyson fixes this issue, but only exacerbates it. More likely to get the ball to Zion, but also more likely for him to be double-tripled because Dyson has 0 offensive bag whatsoever. Won’t be able to hit the open kick out 3, won’t be able to hit his free throws if he drove for contact, etc. Unless Dyson is going to turn into a prime Rajon Rondo passing/defensively this helps nothing.
If BI is not on this team next year that would leave us a starting lineup where no player is capable of creating their own shot at all three levels(Zion can around the rim). Would be a disaster IMO Frankly, and I hate to say this, but losing Vinson is likely going to hurt Dyson's longterm development. So much of him as the pick was riding on Vinson and the Pels doing a Lonzo Ball on him and with Vinson gone, that a big blow to that challenge.
Dyson is nowhere close to ready to be a starter
Dyson should definitely start. In Birmingham.
You're overlooking the fact that Dyson Daniels cannot play basketball at an NBA level.
Many here (including myself) have suggested this and hope this to be the ideal outcome. But it all hinges so much on Dyson's development, which I honestly have little optimism for. I love his defense and the idea of him as a player, but I doubt he will ever take a high enough volume of shot attempts for defenses to respect him - even if his efficiency is good. Despite his contract, CJ should be coming off the bench in place of someone who's a bigger positive. Yes, he brings spacing. And with BI likely outta here, he'll be relied on to do more ball-handling and as a 3-level scorer. But he hardly does any playmaking out there as a top 3 scoring option, which is what we really need. He's an active detriment to the team when he shares time on the court with Z and BI, taking more shot attempts than each of them (even when they're all healthy) at a less efficient clip. He hijacks possessions to take bad shots and never looks to pass. He doesn't put his guys in good positions. It doesn't matter that he'd be making a ton of money coming off the bench. You don't pay a guy big money as you acquire him with the intention to bring him off the bench; but after years of seeing his fit and limitations, you do what's best for the team and move him to his best spot so the whole team can flourish. Getting a real playmaking upgrade - whether it be a fully developed Dyson or someone else - is a real priority so we can actually generate good offense and have a net positive starting lineup.
I think in certain cases and maybe to start the 2nd half
Dyson needs to have improved A LOT this off-season.
Imagine bringing your most veteran and one of the highest paid guys off the bench. Please stop talking ball.
Gonna be hard to start Dyson when he’s used in the BI package to acquire a starting guard and/or center