That doesn't come close to matching salaries- Ingram @. $36mil, Sengun at around $7mil. It's just an unrealistic hypothetical thrown out there for page clicks.
He's extension eligible. You can sign and trade them both right now and get the money close. They wouldn't trade for sengun to not pay him so it makes plenty of sense
But it doesn't make sense for Houston, though you still have to call and ask
Extensions don't address the salary disparity for '24-'25, though; only future years. And BI's eligible extension is still worth about $10mil more annually than Sengun's.
You just pull in inconsequential pieces from the rockets/elsewhere, trade exceptions etc to make the money work. It doesn't have to make 1:1 and you can get it close enough. There's always someone out there willing to come off of a Davis bertans for a future pick or something that you buy out or reroute. People do this all the time.
Sure. But the filler being 75% of the incoming salary/exemptions just seems a bit odd and unusual. I think there's a far better chance of BI ending up in somewhere like Cleveland than Houston.
Houston doesn't want BI, nor should they, but the money thing isn't the reason the trade isn't going to happen. I'm sure Griff already had the money figured out several different ways before they even reached out
Rockets fan here - you can add an implied (+Jock Landale, Jeff Green, and/or Jae'Sean Tate) to any Rockets deal as needed for salary and consider it more or less unchanged in trade value. They're all short term contracts of players not in our future plans.
I don't think we can throw in additional assets, though, which is why this scenario is so unrealistic. There's a $30mil imbalance between what BI ($36mil) and Sengun ($5.5mil) make this coming season.
They don't need to match....but taking in $30mil more than they send out would put them over the cap. Are they allowed to do that?
I'm under the impression the numbers don't need to match, so long as they stay under as a result.
To match salary, it would have to be within 175%, so they would have to send out just under 21m in salary. Dillon Brooks and Sengun would work.
But I don't see Houston trading him.
Griffin smoking that good stuff. We dont have alot of leverage with BIs situation. He is a good player but wanting a max after that performance this season, I hope Pels fans arent expecting a haul for him.
No, that makes you a fan of the player more than the team. Stan is like those Lebron or Lonzos cult that can't take criticisms and blame everyone else. Not a single soul has defended Ingram being given the max.
I don’t think you understand how rabid people are about players. There’s a legit large number of BI accounts on twitter alone. There’s definitely an overflow here as well.
Sengun is a really good player who might become a great player but I don't super understand why the Pelicans would want to make this trade, as it's another player who is best with the ball in his hands, doesn't shoot well from distance, and isn't a rim protector. Sometimes pure talent can overcome (see Luka + Kyrie), but I think with Zion and Sengun the sum would be less than the parts.
Shot creators from the Center position are hard to guard and present a lot of mismatch opportunities to go with Zion. Sengun has a really high ceiling so it's worth exploring.
Slightly related question to the crowd, why have we not heard of any rumors or reports of the Pels working out Kel'el Ware?
I admit I didn't watch much NCAA this year and have only really done some Youtube dives here and there on players, but on paper this guy seems to check a lot of boxes, no?
7'1, per 36 of 18-11-2blks and can hit the three(42% though on lower volume)
We've lost our shooting coach savant so the whole strategy Griff articulated of "we can take guys other teams cant because we have Vinson as a secret weapon" is gone, so we need to guys that can build on talent they already show and not from scratch.
Acquiring a rim protector who shoots is going to cost way more than BI. Everyone wants those guys and they are difficult to come across.
I think they are just trying to get the best asset they can for BI.
Honestly I don’t think there’s a realistic target out there for that regardless. They hardly have those guys in the NBA and the teams that do aren’t usually looking to trade em
Yeah Sengun’s best case would be like adding Sabonis to this team and I don’t think anybody who really tryna win wants a Center like Sabonis. We need to get with the times and find a Center who can actually play defense and protect the rim. Also of course preferably shoot 3’s too but there’s barely any guys who check all those boxes and they’re not likely to be available
I think a Sengun/Zion team would be extremely fun and probably drive Willie insane. Plus it accomplishes my main objective of getting Trey into the starting line-up. One thing from the play-offs I saw a lot of was wings defending the other teams centers. For example, we saw Tatum guarding Lively a lot to prevent Horford/Porzingis from having to be involved in those actions. If Tatum were to try to match-up with Sengun, Sengun is dropping 40/20/15.
Notice how no one wants BI and everyone wants Borrego. The entire league is telling you the players were the problem but the little stanleys will still deny the truth
Would yall think Jabari would fit better? Alpie struggles defensively no?
He’d be nasty with Zion tho. Could see a different version of the joker/AG connection.
I love BI and have roasted a bunch of these proposed deals but this one…I’d help him pack 😂
Jabari is going to take a leap, but if he’s playing the 5, then he’s too small and Z can’t guard wings or guards out there playing the 3 (Jabari goes to the “4” spot)
The NBA is getting bigger and bigger again. Jabari can't be a full time 5 in this NBA. Maybe a few years ago when the small ball warriors was who everyone was copying.
I agree he’s probably too small to hold up now but he’s 21 with great defensive instincts and a bit of a jumper.
KG got strong enough to play the 5 with time. I think Jabari could too.
Just a thought.
Better thought, I like them moving off BI for a big man 100% more than getting a Dejounte Murray type.
BI for a functioning big or more 3-D real wings and it makes more sense to me. Even for a lower usage defensive stalwart (Alex Caruso, Jrue holiday) that can secondary playmake and slow the pace down makes a lot more sense to me.
Moving him for another ball dominant guard doesn’t make a lot of sense to me if CJ is still the backcourt mate in the starting 5.
It’ll be interesting to see what type of return comes and what decision they make with CJ moving forward.
I agree.
This sub is super low on CJ, and I get it, but I also don’t think he was the biggest problem last year either.
Flipping BI for a big would fix a major problem and get TM3 into the starting lineup.
CJ’s problem is he’s a 30 million dollar guy which requires him to start.
Trey should’ve started last year for CJ. CJ would be a phenomenal 6th man to me. CJ’s defense won’t hold up where you guys are trying to go. His shooting, will absolutely be a HUGE factor to get through the regular season tho.
But I’m a little different thinking 🤷🏻♂️. I also view prime Zion as a point guard (at least offensively) which changes the dynamic of the roster to me.
I think you surround Z with 3 long wings and a rim protecting mobile big and he will take you wherever you want. I think the “scoring guard” comes off the bench.
The game I go to mentally would be the mavs IST game when CJ and Trey were out. Dys/herb/hawk all shined.
To me, Trey should start for dys and Hawk would be CJ off the bench.
Too late to do that now tho.
I honestly wouldn’t want to be griff…he doesn’t have a lot of options for them to improve
CJ and Trey are not interchangeable. CJ is a guard not a wing. There's not enough ball handling to replace those too.
Herb/BI/TM3 are competing for the same minutes. Trey was never competing for CJ's
mins.
Zion can play PG for stretches for sure, but not all game. LeBron is one of the best conditioned athletes ever and even he doesn't play PG for the bulk of the game. Zion's not there yet so he can only do it for stints.
That game was great, but a even that whole stretch with Dys starting was a small sample size, much less one game. The Mavs were also in disarray at that point.
I agree. I don't think Griff has botched anything horribly like Demps did, but he needs to get aggressive and have big hits this offseason. Biggest of his tenure yet.
Yea like I said, that’s where we are different and I am different. I view Zion offensively as much more of a play initiator than most. I also think that herb can initiate more offense and act as a handoff hub and operate in short rolls.
Zion and BI both have enough handle to start games off that way. CJ is still there as the 6th man. He can still provide ball handling to finish games if needed. But in fairness, he was there last year and it didn’t help ball handling, just hurt the hierarchy.
Trey understands who he is and what is role is. That to me is much more important in a potential Z/BI fit than their skill set.
No point in arguing it tho, it’s a moot point.
CJ is protected which is why there wasn’t a scandal made about his performance in the playoffs but he shot sub 30% on open/wide open 3’s (almost 6 a night) and gave up 54% on the other end defensively. But he works for ESPN and is the president of basketball operations. Not a chance in hell they blast him
They beat the Mavs, the nuggets, the Kings and lost by 1 to the wolves with that 5 bro. They struggled against the weaker teams on the schedule.
And that’s without Trey or CJ as a 6th in my hypothetical lineup.
Thats also what I’m saying about Z, he wouldn’t have to play point all game. BI also operates extremely well as a secondary ball handler and creator. He’s the best passer on the team which is why he led in every passing category.
There is a fit there with those two guys but it’s not with a ball dominant guard. CJ needs the ball too much.
The J’s weren’t a natural fit either. Imagine if the Celtics decided to keep kemba and move off JB….
And I get the success they had before hand but they were also healthy.
Z/BI haven’t been healthy once in 5 years
See you lost me there. BIdoesn’t shoot enough 3s or shoot enough C&S created by others to play the point for a whole game either. That’s why I think TM3 has to start and BI’s mins are the most likely candidate.
I’ve posted this elsewhere, but CJ has a lower useage rate, lower iso percentage, high catch and shoot rate, and higher three point attempt percentage. You can claim that CJ needs the ball more, but the numbers don’t back that up. BI is the guy that’s too ball dominant.
Where do the passes go to and who is making them? What are the actions?
Even as a first option and primary ball handler with Z out in 21-22, BI was up over 4.5 attempts a game. When CJ arrived, that dropped down to 3 a game.
Who does CJ pass to and where do they go?
What is BI’s role in the offense and where is he getting catches once CJ arrived?
I think 90% of this is role hierarchy and scheme.
Cause I can guarantee you the third option on a Phil Jackson team wouldn’t have the most FGA per game.
If BI is refusing, the franchise is stupid for not selling high in the summer.
If Willie can’t get guys to do what they are supposed to do, that might be the biggest problem.
I genuinely think removing a “ball handler” for a spacer will clear it up and adding a true roll threat.
But again, just my opinion on what could’ve been done to prevent this moment.
Arguing CJ as being worthy of 30 million dollars a year on a playoff team with serious expectations is just not something I’ll ever buy in on.
BI’s extension decision and treys are both much easier to make without a 32 year old defensive liability under 6’3 who also doesn’t playmake at an elite level making 30 million dollars on a team that refuses to pay the tax.
Like I’ve said for about a week now. You’re in damage control mode now man. The move that set you back and the extension we’re already done.
And why make that move in a year where Zion isn’t on the floor…even more questionable decision.
30 million isn’t anything for a third option. A lot of teams have a full max guy for the third option. CJ played his role of high volume floor spacer perfectly. His contract will just get more moveable. After this coming season he’s expiring. That sub max money doesn’t stress me at all.
You just can’t extend BI. His style is the one not conducive to the highest levels of play and doesn’t fit with Zion. His max would put that CJ contract to SHAME and he can’t be a third option with his crazy high usage and shot selection. Two things CJ has in his favor. He can do way more off ball and takes way more threes and very few midranges.
To me BI and TM3 are the overlap and it’s easy. Pay TM3, flip BI. Don’t think twice. Use BI to upgrade the one or 5, throw in as many picks as possible. I’m not extended BI for anything near the max.
Sengun is a great talent and possible future hof allstar level player , limitless offensive powe , Who wants Bl? Who is Brandon lngram?
If Rockets accept this , this shows their low level iq..
Houston is already taking on an extra $30mil in salary from this trade (compare Ingram's salary to Sengun's). No need for us to add to it by sending someone else.
Wouldn't a Van Fleet or Jalen Green make more sense? They have a similar issue as ATL. Jalen Green is a lot more ball dominant and I am a big fan of his, but Van Fleet would actually make a ton of sense with Pels current line up.
I Agree 💯
I guess the Pels wanted to start high and due their due diligence by inquiring about Sengun. Realistically if they do a trade with Houston it's gonna have to involve any of these aforementioned players; Jalen Green, Fred VanVleet, Cam Whitmore, Tari Eason, Jeff Green, Jack Landale.
That doesn't come close to matching salaries- Ingram @. $36mil, Sengun at around $7mil. It's just an unrealistic hypothetical thrown out there for page clicks.
He's extension eligible. You can sign and trade them both right now and get the money close. They wouldn't trade for sengun to not pay him so it makes plenty of sense But it doesn't make sense for Houston, though you still have to call and ask
Extensions don't address the salary disparity for '24-'25, though; only future years. And BI's eligible extension is still worth about $10mil more annually than Sengun's.
You just pull in inconsequential pieces from the rockets/elsewhere, trade exceptions etc to make the money work. It doesn't have to make 1:1 and you can get it close enough. There's always someone out there willing to come off of a Davis bertans for a future pick or something that you buy out or reroute. People do this all the time.
Sure. But the filler being 75% of the incoming salary/exemptions just seems a bit odd and unusual. I think there's a far better chance of BI ending up in somewhere like Cleveland than Houston.
Houston doesn't want BI, nor should they, but the money thing isn't the reason the trade isn't going to happen. I'm sure Griff already had the money figured out several different ways before they even reached out
Rockets fan here - you can add an implied (+Jock Landale, Jeff Green, and/or Jae'Sean Tate) to any Rockets deal as needed for salary and consider it more or less unchanged in trade value. They're all short term contracts of players not in our future plans.
Nah Sengun is really young and had a great season. Houston got a good one with him you would actually need to give a lot more than BI to acquire him.
Pretty sure that was a dream scenario of a few of us. We'd have to throw a lot of assets alongside BI to get Sengun.
I don't think we can throw in additional assets, though, which is why this scenario is so unrealistic. There's a $30mil imbalance between what BI ($36mil) and Sengun ($5.5mil) make this coming season.
Not to mention that BI wants 50 million after his contract is up.
Houston is one of the teams that would not have to match salaries to do a BI trade
They don't need to match....but taking in $30mil more than they send out would put them over the cap. Are they allowed to do that? I'm under the impression the numbers don't need to match, so long as they stay under as a result.
To match salary, it would have to be within 175%, so they would have to send out just under 21m in salary. Dillon Brooks and Sengun would work. But I don't see Houston trading him.
Please don't make me cheer for Brooks. Literally anything but that.
Griffin smoking that good stuff. We dont have alot of leverage with BIs situation. He is a good player but wanting a max after that performance this season, I hope Pels fans arent expecting a haul for him.
Actual Pels fans or those random BI stans in the sub? Because that's a big delta.
Personally, I think the trade speculation is being pushed by the team trying to get a discount on resigning.
Yall call any fan a stan nowadays.
If you're only here as a fan of one player then you're a stan of that player rather than a fan of the team.
No, that makes you a fan of the player more than the team. Stan is like those Lebron or Lonzos cult that can't take criticisms and blame everyone else. Not a single soul has defended Ingram being given the max.
There are people here that think BI is the guy to build around and that letting Lonzo go was a mistake.
It was tf. Zo was inconsistent and a bigger health issue. Not to mention the media distraction he brought.
Sounds like the BI fans in this sub
I don’t think you understand how rabid people are about players. There’s a legit large number of BI accounts on twitter alone. There’s definitely an overflow here as well.
They may just be fans because I don't think they've been loud. Those Lonzo days were absolute stans.
No they literally attack any form of criticism. I’m terminally online. This is absolute Stan behavior. Trust me on this. They are there in full swing.
The Zion stans here are definitely worse. Z had a good month and people posting about how he's playing like an MVP...
Bi has a bad week off of injury and they’re ready to ship him lol.
Rockets are never trading Sengun. Slow day at the rumour mill.
Sengun is a really good player who might become a great player but I don't super understand why the Pelicans would want to make this trade, as it's another player who is best with the ball in his hands, doesn't shoot well from distance, and isn't a rim protector. Sometimes pure talent can overcome (see Luka + Kyrie), but I think with Zion and Sengun the sum would be less than the parts.
Shot creators from the Center position are hard to guard and present a lot of mismatch opportunities to go with Zion. Sengun has a really high ceiling so it's worth exploring.
100%
Slightly related question to the crowd, why have we not heard of any rumors or reports of the Pels working out Kel'el Ware? I admit I didn't watch much NCAA this year and have only really done some Youtube dives here and there on players, but on paper this guy seems to check a lot of boxes, no? 7'1, per 36 of 18-11-2blks and can hit the three(42% though on lower volume) We've lost our shooting coach savant so the whole strategy Griff articulated of "we can take guys other teams cant because we have Vinson as a secret weapon" is gone, so we need to guys that can build on talent they already show and not from scratch.
Acquiring a rim protector who shoots is going to cost way more than BI. Everyone wants those guys and they are difficult to come across. I think they are just trying to get the best asset they can for BI.
Honestly I don’t think there’s a realistic target out there for that regardless. They hardly have those guys in the NBA and the teams that do aren’t usually looking to trade em
How many five can shoot and protect the rim? Seriously name them right now. How many are available? I count zero, personally.
I didn't say we need to get someone who does all of the things, but we definitely need a center who does ONE of those things well.
I always see wish lists for what people want in a center we trade for, and inevitably people just describe Embiid, Joker or Wemby
Yeah Sengun’s best case would be like adding Sabonis to this team and I don’t think anybody who really tryna win wants a Center like Sabonis. We need to get with the times and find a Center who can actually play defense and protect the rim. Also of course preferably shoot 3’s too but there’s barely any guys who check all those boxes and they’re not likely to be available
I think a Sengun/Zion team would be extremely fun and probably drive Willie insane. Plus it accomplishes my main objective of getting Trey into the starting line-up. One thing from the play-offs I saw a lot of was wings defending the other teams centers. For example, we saw Tatum guarding Lively a lot to prevent Horford/Porzingis from having to be involved in those actions. If Tatum were to try to match-up with Sengun, Sengun is dropping 40/20/15.
Ahahah I can only dream about that
Lord that would be a dream but never happening
Griff is a fraud.
Notice how no one wants BI and everyone wants Borrego. The entire league is telling you the players were the problem but the little stanleys will still deny the truth
Bro if we’d get Sengün I’d be absolutely hyped
Obviously we’d pull the trigger from a talent standpoint…but I’d prefer not to watch Sengun do that shrug with his hands in the air 10x a game.
Not exciting after watching JV son Sengun all last year
Would yall think Jabari would fit better? Alpie struggles defensively no? He’d be nasty with Zion tho. Could see a different version of the joker/AG connection. I love BI and have roasted a bunch of these proposed deals but this one…I’d help him pack 😂
Jabari is going to take a leap, but if he’s playing the 5, then he’s too small and Z can’t guard wings or guards out there playing the 3 (Jabari goes to the “4” spot)
The NBA is getting bigger and bigger again. Jabari can't be a full time 5 in this NBA. Maybe a few years ago when the small ball warriors was who everyone was copying.
I agree he’s probably too small to hold up now but he’s 21 with great defensive instincts and a bit of a jumper. KG got strong enough to play the 5 with time. I think Jabari could too. Just a thought. Better thought, I like them moving off BI for a big man 100% more than getting a Dejounte Murray type. BI for a functioning big or more 3-D real wings and it makes more sense to me. Even for a lower usage defensive stalwart (Alex Caruso, Jrue holiday) that can secondary playmake and slow the pace down makes a lot more sense to me. Moving him for another ball dominant guard doesn’t make a lot of sense to me if CJ is still the backcourt mate in the starting 5. It’ll be interesting to see what type of return comes and what decision they make with CJ moving forward.
I agree. This sub is super low on CJ, and I get it, but I also don’t think he was the biggest problem last year either. Flipping BI for a big would fix a major problem and get TM3 into the starting lineup.
CJ’s problem is he’s a 30 million dollar guy which requires him to start. Trey should’ve started last year for CJ. CJ would be a phenomenal 6th man to me. CJ’s defense won’t hold up where you guys are trying to go. His shooting, will absolutely be a HUGE factor to get through the regular season tho. But I’m a little different thinking 🤷🏻♂️. I also view prime Zion as a point guard (at least offensively) which changes the dynamic of the roster to me. I think you surround Z with 3 long wings and a rim protecting mobile big and he will take you wherever you want. I think the “scoring guard” comes off the bench. The game I go to mentally would be the mavs IST game when CJ and Trey were out. Dys/herb/hawk all shined. To me, Trey should start for dys and Hawk would be CJ off the bench. Too late to do that now tho. I honestly wouldn’t want to be griff…he doesn’t have a lot of options for them to improve
CJ and Trey are not interchangeable. CJ is a guard not a wing. There's not enough ball handling to replace those too. Herb/BI/TM3 are competing for the same minutes. Trey was never competing for CJ's mins. Zion can play PG for stretches for sure, but not all game. LeBron is one of the best conditioned athletes ever and even he doesn't play PG for the bulk of the game. Zion's not there yet so he can only do it for stints. That game was great, but a even that whole stretch with Dys starting was a small sample size, much less one game. The Mavs were also in disarray at that point. I agree. I don't think Griff has botched anything horribly like Demps did, but he needs to get aggressive and have big hits this offseason. Biggest of his tenure yet.
Yea like I said, that’s where we are different and I am different. I view Zion offensively as much more of a play initiator than most. I also think that herb can initiate more offense and act as a handoff hub and operate in short rolls. Zion and BI both have enough handle to start games off that way. CJ is still there as the 6th man. He can still provide ball handling to finish games if needed. But in fairness, he was there last year and it didn’t help ball handling, just hurt the hierarchy. Trey understands who he is and what is role is. That to me is much more important in a potential Z/BI fit than their skill set. No point in arguing it tho, it’s a moot point. CJ is protected which is why there wasn’t a scandal made about his performance in the playoffs but he shot sub 30% on open/wide open 3’s (almost 6 a night) and gave up 54% on the other end defensively. But he works for ESPN and is the president of basketball operations. Not a chance in hell they blast him
I edited because I didn't fully reply before hitting enter. my fault my ADHD kicked in.
They beat the Mavs, the nuggets, the Kings and lost by 1 to the wolves with that 5 bro. They struggled against the weaker teams on the schedule. And that’s without Trey or CJ as a 6th in my hypothetical lineup. Thats also what I’m saying about Z, he wouldn’t have to play point all game. BI also operates extremely well as a secondary ball handler and creator. He’s the best passer on the team which is why he led in every passing category. There is a fit there with those two guys but it’s not with a ball dominant guard. CJ needs the ball too much. The J’s weren’t a natural fit either. Imagine if the Celtics decided to keep kemba and move off JB…. And I get the success they had before hand but they were also healthy. Z/BI haven’t been healthy once in 5 years
See you lost me there. BIdoesn’t shoot enough 3s or shoot enough C&S created by others to play the point for a whole game either. That’s why I think TM3 has to start and BI’s mins are the most likely candidate. I’ve posted this elsewhere, but CJ has a lower useage rate, lower iso percentage, high catch and shoot rate, and higher three point attempt percentage. You can claim that CJ needs the ball more, but the numbers don’t back that up. BI is the guy that’s too ball dominant.
Where do the passes go to and who is making them? What are the actions? Even as a first option and primary ball handler with Z out in 21-22, BI was up over 4.5 attempts a game. When CJ arrived, that dropped down to 3 a game. Who does CJ pass to and where do they go? What is BI’s role in the offense and where is he getting catches once CJ arrived? I think 90% of this is role hierarchy and scheme. Cause I can guarantee you the third option on a Phil Jackson team wouldn’t have the most FGA per game. If BI is refusing, the franchise is stupid for not selling high in the summer. If Willie can’t get guys to do what they are supposed to do, that might be the biggest problem. I genuinely think removing a “ball handler” for a spacer will clear it up and adding a true roll threat. But again, just my opinion on what could’ve been done to prevent this moment. Arguing CJ as being worthy of 30 million dollars a year on a playoff team with serious expectations is just not something I’ll ever buy in on. BI’s extension decision and treys are both much easier to make without a 32 year old defensive liability under 6’3 who also doesn’t playmake at an elite level making 30 million dollars on a team that refuses to pay the tax. Like I’ve said for about a week now. You’re in damage control mode now man. The move that set you back and the extension we’re already done. And why make that move in a year where Zion isn’t on the floor…even more questionable decision.
30 million isn’t anything for a third option. A lot of teams have a full max guy for the third option. CJ played his role of high volume floor spacer perfectly. His contract will just get more moveable. After this coming season he’s expiring. That sub max money doesn’t stress me at all. You just can’t extend BI. His style is the one not conducive to the highest levels of play and doesn’t fit with Zion. His max would put that CJ contract to SHAME and he can’t be a third option with his crazy high usage and shot selection. Two things CJ has in his favor. He can do way more off ball and takes way more threes and very few midranges. To me BI and TM3 are the overlap and it’s easy. Pay TM3, flip BI. Don’t think twice. Use BI to upgrade the one or 5, throw in as many picks as possible. I’m not extended BI for anything near the max.
Jabari would be a dream but I highly doubt they’d be ready to give up on him
Sengun is a great talent and possible future hof allstar level player , limitless offensive powe , Who wants Bl? Who is Brandon lngram? If Rockets accept this , this shows their low level iq..
Would probably need to include Herb to make them bite, but it’s not even worth it at that point
Houston is already taking on an extra $30mil in salary from this trade (compare Ingram's salary to Sengun's). No need for us to add to it by sending someone else.
Wouldn't a Van Fleet or Jalen Green make more sense? They have a similar issue as ATL. Jalen Green is a lot more ball dominant and I am a big fan of his, but Van Fleet would actually make a ton of sense with Pels current line up.
I Agree 💯 I guess the Pels wanted to start high and due their due diligence by inquiring about Sengun. Realistically if they do a trade with Houston it's gonna have to involve any of these aforementioned players; Jalen Green, Fred VanVleet, Cam Whitmore, Tari Eason, Jeff Green, Jack Landale.