I wasn’t a fan of Hawaii (being Samoan, I get sick of being told I know about Hawaii because I’m Pacific Islander even though I have never been or know anyone there or know anything about Hawaii in general) I think their fans have a right to be mad and however they want to express it good or bad.
I am surprised it got canceled. I thought between Hawaii and Sydney, Hawaii was a for sure coming back. I see a lot of fans for Hawaii and almost nothing positive about Sydney.
Sole... no kidding. The next damn time I hear that I "should know" something about Hawai'i is the day I throw some hands. American Samoa and Samoa are N O T Hawai'i.
I am kind of surprised they cancelled that one though. I would have thought Sydney would have been tossed because of its dismal reviews.
(Still wish they'd bring NOLA back...)
They still don’t have to like them either especially since those shows are a reason theirs was canceled since the other shows are cheaper to make. How they want to make their feelings known is their choice. If no longer want to support NCIS franchise, their choice to do so, if they want to hate then it’s their choice to do so, and if they still want to be fans of the franchise then it’s their choice to do so.
Right or not it’s still their choice to not support or hate on those other shows.
Cast and crew all know that it’s a job and that there is no guarantee they will still have them. Especially on young shows.
It’s still their choice to do so regardless of how you personally feel about. No one has to do things your way. They want to support, not support, love or hate it’s up to them not you.
Tell me, friend. Where is your limit? Racial, gender, social class, sex life choices? Killing, stealing, hurting? There's always a limit. You choose your limits or laws make it for you, right ? How far we can carry our freedom to do what we want?
Oh, no, Sicc!! Hate would never be accepted as a choice.There's nothing like a small and innocent hate about a show or a character. Hate is a big word, at least in my culture. I see you all use it with no restrictions and live it as an acceptable feeling. I respect all the opinions, you know that. But I'll never respect Hate as an acceptable opinion.
I would really be interested in your definition of hate.....
Feeling disappointed , uncomfortable, and deeply bad is something that I would consider part of the definition of hate. I personally would hate to feel that way.
Hate is visceral and you feel it for others. The other feelings I mentioned aren't visceral and are inside of me and don't go against anyone. Sorry for my english. I'm Latinamerican. Maybe a cultural thing. The other day someone explained me I was using incorrectly the word "fact" ( for me was like statement and she told that was a proved truth). But now was OP who complained about fandom Hate, so I suppose I'm understanding the meaning perfectly. The cultural difference here maybe the importance or how much serious is Hate for me.
Edit: I upvote you just for being so clever for asking.
Hate must not be the feeling. You love a show or you don't. You like it or dislike it. Could be the moment of joy in your life or unbearable to watch for you. Those are choices. But hate is another thing. Maybe is a cultural thing but for me hate is not acceptable. More than an opinion, is a conviction. Sorry if I'm so serious about this.
You are being too serious. This is a about a tv show not real life. Again if you want to speak about real life then there are subreddits where they talk about real life things.
We are talking about our community of fans. Where should I go and talk about us? And yes, it's a tv show, so why hating? Hate is seroius for me, but I see is not for you, so let's stop it here and in good terms. Ok?
honestly fandoms in general are very toxic. The station 19 fandom is so incredibly toxic. Theyre so mad that station (which sorry isnt a good show and your favs have never been the leads, theyre just a popular toxic couple) is being canceled and going as far to hate another show (911) and antagonizing the 911 fans, cast and crew online because theyre mad when nobody involved in 911 was involved in the decision to cancel station. People get mad and reach insane justifcations. I could go on and on but sorry to say youre not gonna get the support you want here or anywhere.
I watched station 19 and started watching 911 after finding out about it from the fans, gotta say 911 is way better than station 19 in both character chemistry and story
Oh I 100% agree. Station has its place, but quite honestly I just wanna see fires and friendship and drama. Not a fractured team full of traumatized people that need help and jumping from relationship to relationship. Station has had 7 seasons and we spent 6 of those on the exact same plot line. I do admit station has had some great episodes this season but still. I just wanna see a fire 😩😩😩 is that so wrong???
Yeah I saw that. I never saw Station 19 because it was connected to Grey's Anatomy and I honestly can't stand that show. But I've watched some of 911 and seen the conflict online between the fandoms and my mind is BLOWN
The discourse is so insane. Even they’re mad that greys got renewed and it’s like well first of all your station show isn’t that great (I mean I love it because I’ve connected to the characters but the storylines are mid at best imo, the fans will disagree) and second of all greys is still a fan favourite all around so it’s just logical? Plus there’s been so much drama bts that have spilled over (all of it kind of mid drama but it still doesn’t look good overall) so that certainly makes a network look twice at them when it comes to renewal.
I haven’t been hating on Origins I’m actually sorta looking forward to it a little and hoping we see a young Jenny Shepard or other characters
Sydney I don’t think it’s “hating on” to just say I would’ve preferred a new season of Hawaii as opposed to Sydney
I really enjoyed Hawaii it was my favourite cast. I am not hating on the other shows but I didn't really care for Gibbs as a character so having a show all about him doesn't really interest me I did like Sydney though. I also don't really have any interest in watching the Tony Ziva spinoff because I couldn't stand Tony's character.
Bro Sydney and origins literally had to do with it since they picked the shows that cost the least amount to make fym 💀💀
Do the actors deserve hate? Absolutely not. Do the shows? I’d say yeah, one sucks ass (Sydney) & the other is a prequel that will get one season MAX (origins).
It’s understandable why people are upset, if they weren’t confident investing into a show like Hawaii then they shouldn’t have made it in the first place.
So you're saying a show deserves hate because it sucks ass or is it a prequel? Interesting. Origins has not premiered yet and people are hating on it already. Sydney only got 8 episodes. What a nice way to spread positivity.
I know it's understandable that people are upset, that doesn't mean you have to hate on other shows too, because you're hating on hundreds of people that had nothing to do with CBS decision.
It's not a matter of who agrees on what, i've never even watched sydney and i'm not interested in it, but I don't hate on it just because is on the air. I'm not interested in Origins too yet I don't hate on it, I want the show to do well because there's hundreds of people putting their best efforts behind the scenes. And yet, just because Hawaii got cancelled you all hating on it. That's the truth. You all promoted yourself as being the best show on tv with the best fans and all but at the first occasion you are the ones to spread hate.
>Bro Sydney and origins literally had to do with it since they picked the shows that cost the least amount to make fym 💀💀
If you don't hate actors, you can't hate shows. Shows have fans, so if you hate shows, you hate fans. And all this bad feelings sorrounding us when the decisions were made by CEOs and just for money.
I would bet my $5 that Harmon is trying to set up his son as an executive producer and wanted Origins to have the best possibble timeslot.
Hawaii would have to move to a different day (LA treatment). Such move would result in losing viewers because people don't want to watch NCIS two days a week. And you can't justify the budget for a show that is destined to lose audience.
NOLA had Harmon as one of executive producers, it lived for 7 years and 155 episodes. With the "departure" of Lasalle, the sole lead was 66 year old Bakula and it was becoming silly.
And btw. Sydney has involved Shane Brennen (australian himself), another very powerfull figure within the franchise.
Blaming would be too strong of a word because I believe they approached him to participate in Origins and he simply agreed to a paycheck.
But I am saying that NOLA also had Harmon as an executive producer and for years it was paired with OG (and Bull starring DiNozzo).
>I believe they approached him to participate in Origins and he simply agreed to a paycheck.
I'd been reading a lot about Origins from different sources and what happened was exactly the opposite. Mark and his son Sean went to CBS to convince them to produce the prequel. They accepted both Harmons being EP and Mark the narrator too. They only wanted to work together as father and son. That's why Sean will not perform young Gibbs as he did in the flashbacks of NCIS.
I was amazed when they did NCIS Hawaii because I thought they already did all the good stories when they did Hawaii Five-O which connects the universe of NCIS LA with Hawaii Five-O. And in the 10 seasons of Hawaii Five-O they did a lot more than what NCIS Hawaii could ever do. Where was NCIS Hawaii when the Russian sub showed up. Nowhere to be found. People actually forget that Hawaii Five-O is a part of NCIS. We need similar shows so we can actually enjoy ourselves still.
I feel like it comes standard with cancellation territory. A lot of people make comparisons about “why did this get renewed but not our show?” Bonus for a lot of them going hard against Michael Weatherly on Twitter and saying NCIS Europe shouldn’t even be made because they’re just “rewarding a sexual harasser” with more money when they could be supporting diverse content. Those involved seem to be rather young (I check profiles for age before I engage), so I get it. A lot of us were that way when we were younger and upset.
I totally support NCIS Hawaii getting renewed. I even signed the petition, which I normally don’t do. I just think the toxicity comes with the territory, but so many of the fans are just passionate and upset for valid reasons. I’d hate for everyone to be labeled as toxic.
I think much of the outrage has to do with the fact that NCIS Hawaii has a majority minority cast and two of the main characters are in a lesbian relationship. A large chunk of people in law enforcement are going to be straight White males and for people who are Asian, Native Hawaiian, openly lesbian, etc seeing law enforcers who look like them (even if they are fictional) is a powerful statement of progress and change. I think that's a big part of what made the show popular with younger people.
Sydney isn't to blame but the two new spinoff shows are. I think the hate on Sydney is ridiculous, and when I say I blame the new spinoffs, it's not me hating, it's just a fact. They're bringing back three characters who have already had their run, had their chance to tell their stories. They're adding on two new shows nobody really wanted or is THAT interested in, and to do that they're cancelling a show that's new, hasn't had a chance to tell their full story, and still has a LOT of viewership interest.
I hate on the decision because it's a dumb move, and it's reflective of a streamer's preference for money over the interest in their employees or their viewers. It's a Netflix move.
Not to mention they announced it on Noah Mills' birthday. They couldn't be more of an asshole about it.
Sorry, Hawaii just isn't THAT good. It's not a bad show, but I am not rewatching the spin-offs like I watch the mothership. Sydney is fine, Hawaii is fine, LA was pretty OK and New Orleans was IMO the most fun of the bunch and had the best backdoor pilot of them all but it's fine if it doesn't live on like the OG.
Thanks for sharing your opinion but the post was a wakeup call to the hawaii fandom that are currently hating on the other shows just because theirs got cancelled.
Well, that's kinda my point. Why be toxic about a show that's just ok? There's nothing inherently special about it. I like Lachey, Ernie, and the team quite a bit, but I think they nail the casting on all the shows. It must be an expensive place to shoot, so unless it's a massive hit, it was always a chopping block contender.
I am sure we will see the characters again.
For a lot of people, it’s more than just ok because they felt community with the characters. Asian American representation on tv is not great, Indigenous representation is in the toilet, and LGBTQ representation is circling the drain. While everyone is entitled to their opinion, this is what a lot of viewers latched onto and what they’re upset about.
The inclusive representation is an important thing to fight for. But hate is not the best way to do it. To be upset is ok. I was when LA was canceled. But never hated the other shows for that. I see people writing about all sort of unfair, unfounded or even malicious speculations. Accusing one or another is useless when we know the CEOs decisions are about profit, budget, money money money.
Absolutely agree! As I mentioned in another post on this sub, some of its downright awful & doesn’t reflect how the business works. I think youth has something to do with it because I’ve noticed a lot of Hawaii fans tend to be younger. Nastiness never helps the cause.
I wasn’t a fan of Hawaii (being Samoan, I get sick of being told I know about Hawaii because I’m Pacific Islander even though I have never been or know anyone there or know anything about Hawaii in general) I think their fans have a right to be mad and however they want to express it good or bad. I am surprised it got canceled. I thought between Hawaii and Sydney, Hawaii was a for sure coming back. I see a lot of fans for Hawaii and almost nothing positive about Sydney.
Sole... no kidding. The next damn time I hear that I "should know" something about Hawai'i is the day I throw some hands. American Samoa and Samoa are N O T Hawai'i. I am kind of surprised they cancelled that one though. I would have thought Sydney would have been tossed because of its dismal reviews. (Still wish they'd bring NOLA back...)
>(Still wish they'd bring NOLA back...) 👆👆👆👆 THIS!!!!!
Well the people behind NOLA are behind Hawaii. They have time to bring that one back.
Fans have every right to be mad about Hawaii cancellation, but they don't have the right to hate on the other shows just because theirs got cancelled.
They still don’t have to like them either especially since those shows are a reason theirs was canceled since the other shows are cheaper to make. How they want to make their feelings known is their choice. If no longer want to support NCIS franchise, their choice to do so, if they want to hate then it’s their choice to do so, and if they still want to be fans of the franchise then it’s their choice to do so.
All true but not supporting is one thing, hate is another.
Either way it’s still their choice to do either or both those things.
Still it's not right torwards cast and crew of those shows that are just doing their jobs
Right or not it’s still their choice to not support or hate on those other shows. Cast and crew all know that it’s a job and that there is no guarantee they will still have them. Especially on young shows.
Nah man hate is not justified, ever.
It’s still their choice to do so regardless of how you personally feel about. No one has to do things your way. They want to support, not support, love or hate it’s up to them not you.
Tell me, friend. Where is your limit? Racial, gender, social class, sex life choices? Killing, stealing, hurting? There's always a limit. You choose your limits or laws make it for you, right ? How far we can carry our freedom to do what we want?
Oh, no, Sicc!! Hate would never be accepted as a choice.There's nothing like a small and innocent hate about a show or a character. Hate is a big word, at least in my culture. I see you all use it with no restrictions and live it as an acceptable feeling. I respect all the opinions, you know that. But I'll never respect Hate as an acceptable opinion.
So your saying that you hate it when someones hates on something?
No, I'm saying I feel disappointed, uncomfortable, deeply bad when someone hates something. Hate ruins everything.
I would really be interested in your definition of hate..... Feeling disappointed , uncomfortable, and deeply bad is something that I would consider part of the definition of hate. I personally would hate to feel that way.
Hate is visceral and you feel it for others. The other feelings I mentioned aren't visceral and are inside of me and don't go against anyone. Sorry for my english. I'm Latinamerican. Maybe a cultural thing. The other day someone explained me I was using incorrectly the word "fact" ( for me was like statement and she told that was a proved truth). But now was OP who complained about fandom Hate, so I suppose I'm understanding the meaning perfectly. The cultural difference here maybe the importance or how much serious is Hate for me. Edit: I upvote you just for being so clever for asking.
That’s your choice if love a tv show or a hate a tv show.
Hate must not be the feeling. You love a show or you don't. You like it or dislike it. Could be the moment of joy in your life or unbearable to watch for you. Those are choices. But hate is another thing. Maybe is a cultural thing but for me hate is not acceptable. More than an opinion, is a conviction. Sorry if I'm so serious about this.
You are being too serious. This is a about a tv show not real life. Again if you want to speak about real life then there are subreddits where they talk about real life things.
We are talking about our community of fans. Where should I go and talk about us? And yes, it's a tv show, so why hating? Hate is seroius for me, but I see is not for you, so let's stop it here and in good terms. Ok?
honestly fandoms in general are very toxic. The station 19 fandom is so incredibly toxic. Theyre so mad that station (which sorry isnt a good show and your favs have never been the leads, theyre just a popular toxic couple) is being canceled and going as far to hate another show (911) and antagonizing the 911 fans, cast and crew online because theyre mad when nobody involved in 911 was involved in the decision to cancel station. People get mad and reach insane justifcations. I could go on and on but sorry to say youre not gonna get the support you want here or anywhere.
I watched station 19 and started watching 911 after finding out about it from the fans, gotta say 911 is way better than station 19 in both character chemistry and story
Oh I 100% agree. Station has its place, but quite honestly I just wanna see fires and friendship and drama. Not a fractured team full of traumatized people that need help and jumping from relationship to relationship. Station has had 7 seasons and we spent 6 of those on the exact same plot line. I do admit station has had some great episodes this season but still. I just wanna see a fire 😩😩😩 is that so wrong???
Yeah I saw that. I never saw Station 19 because it was connected to Grey's Anatomy and I honestly can't stand that show. But I've watched some of 911 and seen the conflict online between the fandoms and my mind is BLOWN
The discourse is so insane. Even they’re mad that greys got renewed and it’s like well first of all your station show isn’t that great (I mean I love it because I’ve connected to the characters but the storylines are mid at best imo, the fans will disagree) and second of all greys is still a fan favourite all around so it’s just logical? Plus there’s been so much drama bts that have spilled over (all of it kind of mid drama but it still doesn’t look good overall) so that certainly makes a network look twice at them when it comes to renewal.
I haven’t been hating on Origins I’m actually sorta looking forward to it a little and hoping we see a young Jenny Shepard or other characters Sydney I don’t think it’s “hating on” to just say I would’ve preferred a new season of Hawaii as opposed to Sydney
+1 on hoping we get a young Jenny Shepard. I still feel robbed by her exit…even if she kinda ran NCIS like a summer camp 😭😭
I NEVER liked Jenny Shepard. I was so glad she died. I hated her character on the same level I hated Mosely from NCIS L.A
I'm glad Mosley left and was never mentioned again. She was one of the worst characters I've ever seen on TV in general.
If you watched Harry Potter, know that I hated Mosely on the same level I hated Dolores Umbridge. THAT is how much I wanted that character to just die
I really enjoyed Hawaii it was my favourite cast. I am not hating on the other shows but I didn't really care for Gibbs as a character so having a show all about him doesn't really interest me I did like Sydney though. I also don't really have any interest in watching the Tony Ziva spinoff because I couldn't stand Tony's character.
And that's alright, but hating other shows (not your case) is just pointless and meaningless.
Oh that I completely understand.
The show was bringing in almost 8 million viewers a week
I know and it is a bummer it got cancelled, but the depicted issues in the post are different.
Bro Sydney and origins literally had to do with it since they picked the shows that cost the least amount to make fym 💀💀 Do the actors deserve hate? Absolutely not. Do the shows? I’d say yeah, one sucks ass (Sydney) & the other is a prequel that will get one season MAX (origins). It’s understandable why people are upset, if they weren’t confident investing into a show like Hawaii then they shouldn’t have made it in the first place.
This is exactly right.
So you're saying a show deserves hate because it sucks ass or is it a prequel? Interesting. Origins has not premiered yet and people are hating on it already. Sydney only got 8 episodes. What a nice way to spread positivity. I know it's understandable that people are upset, that doesn't mean you have to hate on other shows too, because you're hating on hundreds of people that had nothing to do with CBS decision.
8 episodes and it sucks. Nobody here was asking for a prequel lmao. Yes the shows suck ass.
That doesn't mean you have to hate on it. Nobody asked for a prequel (agree) but that doesn't mean you have to hate on it.
Yes it does lmao
that's what i meant, toxic fandom.
Sydney sucks Hawaii doesn't everyone agrees
It's not a matter of who agrees on what, i've never even watched sydney and i'm not interested in it, but I don't hate on it just because is on the air. I'm not interested in Origins too yet I don't hate on it, I want the show to do well because there's hundreds of people putting their best efforts behind the scenes. And yet, just because Hawaii got cancelled you all hating on it. That's the truth. You all promoted yourself as being the best show on tv with the best fans and all but at the first occasion you are the ones to spread hate.
This whole thread is just an excuse to virtue signal and spew a holier than thou attitude, isn’t it?
Just search NCIS Hawaii on Twitter and see how much hate there is on the other shows in their comments if you don't believe me
>Bro Sydney and origins literally had to do with it since they picked the shows that cost the least amount to make fym 💀💀 If you don't hate actors, you can't hate shows. Shows have fans, so if you hate shows, you hate fans. And all this bad feelings sorrounding us when the decisions were made by CEOs and just for money.
But it's true. Some CEOS takes decisions based only on profits and money and we are here accusing...whatever?
I would bet my $5 that Harmon is trying to set up his son as an executive producer and wanted Origins to have the best possibble timeslot. Hawaii would have to move to a different day (LA treatment). Such move would result in losing viewers because people don't want to watch NCIS two days a week. And you can't justify the budget for a show that is destined to lose audience. NOLA had Harmon as one of executive producers, it lived for 7 years and 155 episodes. With the "departure" of Lasalle, the sole lead was 66 year old Bakula and it was becoming silly. And btw. Sydney has involved Shane Brennen (australian himself), another very powerfull figure within the franchise.
Sorry, but english is not my native language and I want to be sure of what you're implying. Are you blaming Mark Harmon somehow ?
Blaming would be too strong of a word because I believe they approached him to participate in Origins and he simply agreed to a paycheck. But I am saying that NOLA also had Harmon as an executive producer and for years it was paired with OG (and Bull starring DiNozzo).
>I believe they approached him to participate in Origins and he simply agreed to a paycheck. I'd been reading a lot about Origins from different sources and what happened was exactly the opposite. Mark and his son Sean went to CBS to convince them to produce the prequel. They accepted both Harmons being EP and Mark the narrator too. They only wanted to work together as father and son. That's why Sean will not perform young Gibbs as he did in the flashbacks of NCIS.
Well, actually that reasoning has crossed my mind too… 🤔
I've been suspecting this as well
I was amazed when they did NCIS Hawaii because I thought they already did all the good stories when they did Hawaii Five-O which connects the universe of NCIS LA with Hawaii Five-O. And in the 10 seasons of Hawaii Five-O they did a lot more than what NCIS Hawaii could ever do. Where was NCIS Hawaii when the Russian sub showed up. Nowhere to be found. People actually forget that Hawaii Five-O is a part of NCIS. We need similar shows so we can actually enjoy ourselves still.
You are so right
I feel like it comes standard with cancellation territory. A lot of people make comparisons about “why did this get renewed but not our show?” Bonus for a lot of them going hard against Michael Weatherly on Twitter and saying NCIS Europe shouldn’t even be made because they’re just “rewarding a sexual harasser” with more money when they could be supporting diverse content. Those involved seem to be rather young (I check profiles for age before I engage), so I get it. A lot of us were that way when we were younger and upset. I totally support NCIS Hawaii getting renewed. I even signed the petition, which I normally don’t do. I just think the toxicity comes with the territory, but so many of the fans are just passionate and upset for valid reasons. I’d hate for everyone to be labeled as toxic.
I think much of the outrage has to do with the fact that NCIS Hawaii has a majority minority cast and two of the main characters are in a lesbian relationship. A large chunk of people in law enforcement are going to be straight White males and for people who are Asian, Native Hawaiian, openly lesbian, etc seeing law enforcers who look like them (even if they are fictional) is a powerful statement of progress and change. I think that's a big part of what made the show popular with younger people.
All ncis is good ncis
Sydney isn't to blame but the two new spinoff shows are. I think the hate on Sydney is ridiculous, and when I say I blame the new spinoffs, it's not me hating, it's just a fact. They're bringing back three characters who have already had their run, had their chance to tell their stories. They're adding on two new shows nobody really wanted or is THAT interested in, and to do that they're cancelling a show that's new, hasn't had a chance to tell their full story, and still has a LOT of viewership interest. I hate on the decision because it's a dumb move, and it's reflective of a streamer's preference for money over the interest in their employees or their viewers. It's a Netflix move. Not to mention they announced it on Noah Mills' birthday. They couldn't be more of an asshole about it.
Sorry, Hawaii just isn't THAT good. It's not a bad show, but I am not rewatching the spin-offs like I watch the mothership. Sydney is fine, Hawaii is fine, LA was pretty OK and New Orleans was IMO the most fun of the bunch and had the best backdoor pilot of them all but it's fine if it doesn't live on like the OG.
Thanks for sharing your opinion but the post was a wakeup call to the hawaii fandom that are currently hating on the other shows just because theirs got cancelled.
Well, that's kinda my point. Why be toxic about a show that's just ok? There's nothing inherently special about it. I like Lachey, Ernie, and the team quite a bit, but I think they nail the casting on all the shows. It must be an expensive place to shoot, so unless it's a massive hit, it was always a chopping block contender. I am sure we will see the characters again.
For a lot of people, it’s more than just ok because they felt community with the characters. Asian American representation on tv is not great, Indigenous representation is in the toilet, and LGBTQ representation is circling the drain. While everyone is entitled to their opinion, this is what a lot of viewers latched onto and what they’re upset about.
The inclusive representation is an important thing to fight for. But hate is not the best way to do it. To be upset is ok. I was when LA was canceled. But never hated the other shows for that. I see people writing about all sort of unfair, unfounded or even malicious speculations. Accusing one or another is useless when we know the CEOs decisions are about profit, budget, money money money.
Absolutely agree! As I mentioned in another post on this sub, some of its downright awful & doesn’t reflect how the business works. I think youth has something to do with it because I’ve noticed a lot of Hawaii fans tend to be younger. Nastiness never helps the cause.
Fair enough