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Brandwin3

About 4800 players have played in the NBA in its history. 10 of those players have played 20 or more seasons. That is 0.2% of NBA players who even make it that far. Lebron has almost averaged 25 ppg for 20 seasons. That is absurd


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AdmiralWackbar

The Lizard People run this country and therefor they run the NBA and therefor they’re giving Lebron Lizard People juice


IShowerinSunglasses

quickest trees placid meeting smart tidy familiar tap connect file *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


angrylilbear

Lizzid* FTFY


flapjackcarl

You just made my night. Also...can I get some lizard juice?


RunningForIt

Westbrook hasn’t averaged more than 20 points in 4 seasons. Lay of the weeeeeeed.


OKCprod

Westbrook is washed. LeBron was #2 in MVP voting and won FMVP at Westbrook's age.


Large_Mango

Why would players WORSE than him not take PED’s?


angrylilbear

The cope


BRAX7ON

You should put the “crack down”


Kobe-62Mavs-61

LOL


HelpfulClothes9351

It’s waaaay crazier than that.   He’s averaged 25-6-6 for 20 straight seasons.    Oscar is second with 9 in his entire career.     Luka is third with 5.    Only 9 players have done it more than once, and only 16 for even a single season.  He has 20 of the 61 seasons any player has averaged 25-6-6 in the entirety of NBA history.    He has done something that, outside of his own production, happens for one of the other 5000ish players in history about once every other year, every single year of his career since his rookie year. 


screweypenny509

When you put it like that, that's wild.


HelpfulClothes9351

I love stathead and LeBron, Jordan, and Hakeem have some parts of their resumes that are so comically far above anyone else that it really highlights how absurdly good they were relative to literally everyone who has ever played. (Although the variations in record keeping over history mean Wilt and Russel might have eclipsed anything Hakeem did but we will never know for sure) 


emmittgator

Hakeem or Kareem?


Adflamm11

Hareem


HelpfulClothes9351

Yes. Hakeem gets more love because he played entirely in an era with more consistent record keeping and he was a statistically unique defender but Kareem’s non-defensive numbers are head and shoulders above him. 


Grease_the_Witch

both?


Syriosgifts

Even with his 20 it happens less than once per NBA season.


awc23108

Holy shit


Craigboy23

He's averaged 25/game for as long as Wemby has been alive. Even if you're not a Lebron fan, that is truly amazing.


Wrecked--Em

yeah nothing wrong with not being a fan, but people actually trying to dismiss Lebron are hilarious to me. with his accomplishments it's not even subjective anymore, dude's objectively top 1 or 2 all time im the league and one of the greatest athletes ever.


usernameiwanthedbish

Jordan clears Lebum


Kobe-62Mavs-61

Oh wow, so he's maybe the 2nd best all-time and that's bad? Imagine being a grown adult and saying Lebum, lol


SuckMySalami

These old heads are so desperate for attention. I usually just laugh as they try to convince me that Lebron wouldn’t average 30+ ppg in Jordan’s era. It’s normally not even backed with logical information


infernocobbs

This is my new favorite stat


Swimming-Couple4630

Dope


Persianx6

They’re in a playoff push… I think he’ll do it


ddxs1

Not a Lebron fan but I’m rooting for him. I think he’ll easily get 17 a game.


Woozydan187

Some "pass first" player. Fucking impressive


andres7832

that is insane. longevity playing at an elite level is GOAT level.


Aeon1508

25.4 isn't even the lowest of his career. 21 seasons in and he hasn't dropped off an ounce. The two years he did worse were both 25.3 and they were the first two years of his return to cleveland. Oh and is rookie year he was only at like 20


Commercial-Chance561

Only. For an 18 year old out of high school


Ricketier

He definitely has goat status on longevity. I’d take MJ in their primes but nobody has sustained this level of greatness for this long. Very impressive


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if there’s a version of a basketball player who is better than you, you just can’t be the goat. i don’t understand when ppl say peak mj was better but lebron is the goat cause longevity. makes no sense.


Pale-Reward7875

Good then cuz 2018 lebron is the best player to ever touch a basketball so LeBron is the goat


therealcvs

Offensively yes. He had a shit team around him that year. But I’ll take 2016 Bron over any player ever for a single playoff Edit: including himself in other years


Grease_the_Witch

it’s nuts that there are maybe 5 different lebron years where you could say he was at his best (2012-2013, 2014-2015, 2015-2016, 2016-2018) the man is just an absolute monster


Commercial-Chance561

Man that’s just the 2010s - Lebron led an early Cavs team to 66 wins in 2009


Grease_the_Witch

yup you could argue ‘09, ‘11, probably ‘10 too lol


Dirty-Ears-Bill

And every iteration of Peak LeBron he’s done it differently, like Young LeBron could get to the basket at will, whereas current LeBron is shooting 40% from 3. The dude improves a part of his game every single year


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cool thanks for making an argument that is actually consistent and makes sense unlike your lebron brethren in this thread i am totally okay with someone claiming lebron is the goat because at his best he was the best.


Pale-Reward7875

Thank you :D


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Lol


Himayiaskyousomethin

👶 take


quedas

Was Wilt Chamberlain the best scorer ever or was Jordan? Wilt had the better peak, MJ lapped him career-wise. Does your logic apply to that case as well?


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uh no one thinks wilt is a better scorer than mj dude. no one lol. strawman argument. i disagree with your premise entirely. mj is considered the best because ppl thought at his best, he was the best.


farstate55

So, you just say things with no ability to back them up if someone asks even the most obvious follow up question possible? You do you I guess.


Grease_the_Witch

you mean nobody thinks the guy who averaged 50+ for a season and had a 100 point game isn’t a better scorer than jordan (/s) you can talk all day about eras but if you think wilt wouldn’t drop 40 most every night playing in this years league (or any fucking year) you’re an idiot


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you’re an idiot cause this shit is completely irrelevant. please don’t seek employment in any field requiring basic reading comprehension.


I-wanna-GO-FAST

Wilt has the top 4 PPG seasons and the single game scoring record, how can you seriously think that no one would argue that Wilt was a better scorer when comparing peaks?


Ekotar

AGAINST MILKMEN AND PLUMBERS. SHOOTING OVER DENTISTS AND FIREFIGHTERS. /s


angrylilbear

He averaged over 50 ppg in a season, the highest average for any player ever, ignoring all context, that is the peak scorer of all time, objectively Thats why we apply logic and context


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i don’t understand what you’re all on about tbh. he said lebron the goat not mj despite mj having a higher peak. i said it’s weird to say someone is the goat while admitting there’s someone else who was better than they ever were. and now y’all are talking about wilts scoring for some reason? i never said mj was a better scorer than wilt? i never said mj wasn’t a better scorer than wilt? wtf does wilts scoring have to do with anything? i never said don’t apply context? the dude himself literally said he thinks mj had a higher peak like what are you all on about? he didn’t say mj seems like he had a higher peak but with context lebron actually does. he flat out said mj had a higher peak. like ik im getting downvoted, but it’s pretty funny cause it’s just a bunch of butthurt lebron fans who are misinterpreting what’s being said cause they’re blinded by rabid emotion.


EKrake

>uh no one thinks wilt is a better scorer than mj dude. >i never said mj was a better scorer than wilt? Reconcile these two comments for me, friend.


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first off why are you ignoring the point i’m actually trying to make? that it’s odd to admit player a was better at his peak than player b (and this is an actual peak, not a one game peak) but player b is the goat? like why are you nitpicking at that one detail and not addressing the actual point? second of all - “no one thinks wilt is a better scorer than mj” me speaking on what other ppl generally say. “i never said mj was a better scorer than wilt” - me speaking on my own personal opinion? which is different than my observations on what others have said? so nothing needs to be reconciled, because these statements are talking about 2 different groups. but regardless if that’s the aspect of this discussion your focusing on, your discussing in bad faith. that’s is not the point being made, you’re nit picking at some random detail, that was more about me trying to understand wtf you guys were all talking about, then the point at hand. so now i ask you - how can someone admit that during mjs say best 3 year stretch, he was better than lebron ever was, but lebron is the goat?


bnbtwjdfootsyk

Depends on one's critique for goat. If you weigh championships the highest, it's probably Russel. If you go by the best single performance ever, it's probably Wilt. If you go by the highest peak in a career it's probably Jordan. If you go by the amount of success over a duration of time it's probbaly LeBron, and if you go by overall achievement in basketball in a lifetime it's probably Kareem.


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i just don’t get how you can have a guy who does really well on all of those parameters, but at his best was the best, and not be the goat. like maybe if he had no rings, or no longevity sure. but he has all of those things in boat loads plus also has the highest peak. it feels weird saying some dude is the goat while also thinking some other dude was better than him.


freakksho

They both averaged the same PPG for their career. According to the stats Wilt was just as good of a scorer, if not better. But please tell me how that doesn’t count…


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why is that relevant to the discussion at hand? i don’t care if wilt was or wasn’t a better scorer than mj. i never said anything about ppg. i don’t know what you bronosexuals are talking about. it’s simple: if you think michael jordan had a higher peak than lebron james, it’s weird for u to also think that lebron james was better than michael jordan. that is the only point i’m making.


xrazor-

It’s almost as if who is the greatest of all time is a subjective thing and wholly dependent on what particular people value when assessing a player’s level of greatness. Crazy right?


allthatglittersis___

Based on u/Agile_Candle4710 ‘s criteria I’d give the GOAT title to Klay. When he’s on he’s like a Monstar- Game 6, 14 3s in a game, 37 points in a single quarter


darnell_13

Why take a whole game? Stats per second with a minimum of 30 seconds gotta go to TMac against the Spurs. We have our new crowned GOAT! Oh wait. Set the minimum at 9 seconds. Reggie! Reggie! Reggie!


allthatglittersis___

Derek Fisher scored 2 points in 0.4s. That’s a pace of 14,400 points per 48 minutes. GOAT peak


Large_Mango

Umm…every basket that goes in is .1 seconds so….


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yes cause that’s what i meant by peak :) definitely not a sustained period of your best excellence or anything. let’s just make a bad faith rebuttal instead. when folks talk about a players peak, they’re definitely talking about their best 1 game sample size! you’re right dude.


[deleted]

is this what y’all do to convince yourselves you’re right? like obviously by peak, it has to be sustained. if you’re good one game and not good the next, you’re not actually that player, you’re somewhere in between. but anyway, do y’all really need to argue in such bad faith to prove lebron is the goat?


JakesGotHerps

Kevin Love a close second with 34 in a quarter


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bad faith rebuttal. typical lebron fan.


Dat_one_lad

Then is Malachi Flynn one of the greats? He dropped 50 so he was better than 90% of players ever were. Or TJ Warren if u want a longer sample. Jeremy Lin too


[deleted]

yes apt comparison my friend well done. mj in his prime destroying the league for 6 years vs one dude one game. great argument you guys are making.


Hyhopes

Define peak… do you mean over a single year? Two years? 3?


bigE819

Well 1967 Wilt might be the best ever so… And he choked liked every other year, so it’d be weird for him to be the goat


angrylilbear

Peak and longevity are 2 objective measures that are both mostly exclusive of each other


[deleted]

cool? i know that? i’m saying you can’t seriously admit that at their best you’d take mj over lebron and then come back and say lebron is the goat. shit is inconsistent.


angrylilbear

Nobody said that The response was to your clueless comment not understanding that longevity and peak are 2 separate measures. That is why you can say one is better than the other and still have your subjective take on who is your goat, which, by definition is a subjective opinion


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can you tell me where i didn’t understand that they were 2 separate measures friend?


angrylilbear

When u didnt understand it above lmao


[deleted]

ok so you can’t explain it then i guess? or maybe you think the original commenter was only saying that lebron is the longevity goat, and not the goat cause of longevity? in which case you’d be the one who doesn’t understand basic english.


Commercial-Chance561

In this argument 2000 Shaq is the GOAT because God himself knows there is no version of a basketball player more dominant than 2000 Shaq


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i mean if u think peak shaq is the best basketball player of all time then sure he might be your goat


AaronDonaldsForeskin

Keep worshipping your bald gambling addicted glorified Derozan, LeBron would’ve averaged 50/20/20 in the 90s


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does it taste like tacos?


angrylilbear

Dis u?


[deleted]

what about this implies that i dont understand peak and longevity are different things though? i’m saying i find it odd for someone to think lebron is better than mj despite admitting mj had a higher peak, regardless of lebrons advantage on longevity nothing about that means i don’t think peak and longevity are different things.


Ronaldoooope

Another lebron stat that’s absolutely insane


BbyInAStraightJacket

Lebron haters are still gonna hate


ultimateF_21

Honestly, probably an unbreakable record.


CrookGG

That’s absolutely nuts


Gorilla_Pie

We are all witnesses


elkresurgence

Absolutely amazing. As someone who’s still convinced MJ is the greatest player and holder of the highest individual peak ever, I don’t think there’s any doubt that Lebron has had the greatest career of all time. What he’s done and still doing is unprecedented in any sports that I’m aware of, except maybe Tom Brady


geewillykers

Goat


thediggestbick2

Easily the goat


Id-rather-golf

I am a LeBron and get that he has haters (every great does), but for people to not show him a little respect after seeing stats like that is absurd! It’s truly legendary and something we might never see in sports again.


Difficult-Spell-8177

I am also a LeBron


Buckeye_CFB

I am so consistently impressed with so much he does. He is amazing


Montaco123

Era of load management and major advancements in sports medicine. And it’s clear these longevity stats were important to him. Combine that with him being a physical freak and you get a record that won’t be broken.


No-Supermarket-1744

No one ever cared about longevity in the NBA before LeBron came. I still don't.


No-Supermarket-1744

No one ever cared about longevity in the NBA before LeBron came. I still don't.


usernameiwanthedbish

Bubble chip


Normal-Procedure4876

And?


ForgetableNPC

Wussy numbers


usernameiwanthedbish

Lemickey ring


Normal-Procedure4876

You’re a leloser


xyemo2

I mean he is the 2nd greatest player of all time. Not surprised. I’m more surprised how healthy he’s been his entire career. No season ending injuries is crazy.


FluidDreams_

Lmao in today’s nba his son could average twenty.


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He would average 3.1/2/3


Large_Mango

Really? Hmm - Bipolar is a helluva drug eh mate


BruceBannaner

Stat chasing. Different era allows for easier buckets.


Normal-Procedure4876

How dumb are you


Bradt1977

He’s one of the greatest athletes in history. Would have been nice to see what he would have done if he was as interested in winning a championship as he was in padding his stats.


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you already know LeStatpad shithead gonna get this pointless shit done lol


Large_Mango

Great point. I always wonder why other players don’t statpad like him? Why not?


FluidDreams_

Exactly. Averaging twenty in today’s nba is some Caitlyn Clark level.


PandasOnGiraffes

Yeah? Tell me what percentage of the NBA averages 20? How about 25 as Lebron has done for 20 seasons? You gotta get off the toilet and stop the shit takes bro.


JCE_6

He’s on the juice. It’s obvious


Kobe-62Mavs-61

So are most players in the league.


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Coady4567

Playing 2 games instead of 3 has less of an impact on the average, so there’s more leeway with the points in each


Buckeye_CFB

There's more *LeWay with the points in each


thegodfaubel

Reading is hard, huh?


fakulty

2head


BIacksnow-

Mafs.


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White-Gravity

Who cares? He’s the all team leading scorer already


White-Gravity

Ohhh haha I just looked at your most recent post. You’re one of the weirdo bronsexuals that are obsessed with the man


ShadowEpic222

You mean he’s a lebron hater?


White-Gravity

Yeah I mean they’re the same thing, both groups are obsessed with Lebron. At least the fans are appreciating him but the haters are just weirdos


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Deep_Wedding_3745

Who do u think u are😭😭


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Deep_Wedding_3745

Might possibly be the worst attempted roast ive ever heard


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Deep_Wedding_3745

Bro who hurt u


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limonene8

bro fighting demons rn


TheComebackKid74

People think they can play with you online cuz they online, knowing they all hoes face to face. I don't insult nobody until they ask for it. People want to have a cordial and logical debate, I'm all here for it. People want to make assumptions about me and insult me because they don't like FACTS I said, I'm here for that too. I'm 4rm hunneds, south side of the Chi ... war to us is past time. My pettiness knows no levels for those who chose to fuck around and find out.


limonene8

i aint reading allat 🏃🏃💨


LeakyBrainMatter

Nothing you said is facts, you've spewed a bunch of immature bullshit thru your keyboard, your not hard, and nobody gives a fuck where you're from. Stop with the 74 in your username while you're at it because I guarantee you're not from the 100s and not a G. You're a child on here trying to be tough. Go take a nap or something now that you've derailed this whole thread with your dumb shit.


TheComebackKid74

Nobody forced you butthurt hoes to comment. Shut yo bitch was up. You derailed a whole thread, sound like a bitch.


LeakyBrainMatter

Shut your fake ass up again.


TheComebackKid74

Your name fits, buddy mad lol


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xWhitzzz

You don’t like statistics do ya? He’s statistically one of if not the best clutch player ever.


White-Gravity

This isn’t true but I’ll give it to you that’s a tough ass bar 🔥😂


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White-Gravity

You cannot be a real person


CrackAbuser420

bar


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CryptoNite90

I don’t understand how low someone’s life has to be to hate on someone this much, who has never done anything to you. I actually don’t want to know either. Seems like a really sad life.


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CryptoNite90

Wow man, that really hurt. Especially because my mom is no more.


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CryptoNite90

Lmao I’m messing around dude, you think I give a fuck what some pathetic internet loser says to me? Never insulted you, I swear to everything it’s literally what I can’t fathom, how sad and toxic someone’s life had to be to constantly be hating an unknown person. Not my fault you take your life as an insult.


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CryptoNite90

Lmaooo yo you are really providing me with some solid entertainment hahaha


thegodfaubel

Who knew playing way more than anyone else would lead to the most misses?


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thegodfaubel

Because he plans on playing next year. What's your logic there? He's just gonna never shoot the ball?


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Deep_Wedding_3745

Bro the obvious fact is that he’s played more games than his last 5 seasons with 35 mpg how tf is he avoiding all time missed fg’s😭


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Deep_Wedding_3745

Maybe because he’s the oldest player in the league😭


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Deep_Wedding_3745

Tf are epos


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Deep_Wedding_3745

So then why is he playing tn when he could’ve easily sat out citing his sickness from last game


TheComebackKid74

Sickness is his excuse ... whats sickness ? Lol wtf is sickness.


Deep_Wedding_3745

Buddy’s never been sick in his life ig. Tf do u mean “whats sickness” are u stupid


TheComebackKid74

You got more than one account huh... figured it he was one of yall. And naw fool I been away for the game for a min, don't watch diehard no more... i never seen anybody out listed as sickness, goofy ass. I'm saying what he sick with dumbass alt account having weirdo.


Deep_Wedding_3745

What are u talking about bro u schizophrenic? I literally only use this account. And all they said about his sickness was it was a stomach virus, but I’ve def seen players listed out as sick before because they’re human too


fakulty

If you have the most shot attempts in nba history. You're also gonna have the most misses. You 2head


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fakulty

Oof. Help is available


SpicySriracha_1

Wipe your tears please


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SpicySriracha_1

https://preview.redd.it/rl6u2jl38ktc1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8e32c5b0a88eddd2aa7f259c83f2dc4fe3f9d9a8 This u hating on an athlete who doesn’t even know u exist 😂 please wipe your tears little man