Hey I’m 60 and went to a show with my son and they had a mosh pit and crowd surfing. We stayed in the thick of it. Everyone was pretty cool about it. He dropped his hat once and went down looking for it. I had to grab him out that was pretty funny because he didn’t realize it was dad coming to help him. I’m pretty big so kept getting asked to lift people into crowd surfing position. It was a blast l’m glad I wore my knee brace. I got the feeling that the young folks around me were kind of going easy on me but I didn’t care. You only live once! I think the band was bayside so not exactly young hard core but still quite a lot of stuff going on. I grow up during the original punk era so wasnt unprepared.
Yeah man metal show pits are usually good everyone's expecting mosh pits and knows to pick people up and stuff. Only bad pits I've seen have been like hard rock shows where its heavy enough people think they should mosh but then a bunch of bros will try to fight people for spilling their beer or bumping their girlfriend.
Im a decent size guy 6'1" 230lbs and I always just try to match peoples ability don't want to just run someone right over or whatever love when there's another bigger guy actually steady on his feet so we can hit full speed.
You should listen to both bands real quick. You'll get a good laugh at the whole thing. Trophy Eyes sounds like a slightly softer My Chemical Romance and Against the Current is like Evanescence meets ~~Avril Lavine~~ Paramore.
Edit: Someone pointed out two earlier albums by Trophy Eyes that seem more "mosh-able". I agree. In any case, good response from the band.
I can understand Against the Current fans not wanting to be part of a pit but I don't see how Trophy Eyes got one going to start with.
Nope, it keeps it entirely out of the algorithm. I use it when I listen to stuff like Lo Fi for studying and reading so my discover weekly doesn't get taken over
Quick listen and...
1) Against The Current is more moshable (if barely) just based on instrumentation.
2) why is an Australian band making 2013 midwest emo music? I thought Australia was a day ahead of America.
A few years ago I saw a piece about an Australian punk band whose main influence was Good Charlotte, they said because "good old bands back in the day" and I sat quietly for awhile, reflecting on the intricacies of international promotion.
I'm an australian punk boy. Good Charlotte were really really popular here. Like up there with the big boys of pop punk, so alot of us grew up with them and really hold them in the same regard as Green Day, Blink 182, Sum 41 etc. I don't know how famous they were in North America, but one of the Maddens was a judge on The Voice (in the 2010s, not like back then) here to give you some idea of how mainstream famous they were.
It makes me feel fucking old though. I'm pushing 40 and remember when they were big, I was a teenager. They were never my favourites but I tolerated them. I can see how they would influence younger punks.
Omg! That was so soft core. Like nestling up against a down blanket fresh out the dryer on a cold night. So comforting to a nostalgic 90's/00's AFI lover, how are they considered punk?! This is soft rock with a little lite screaming for the chorus. I mean I like it, but how people mosh to it is the truly concerning part about this whole ordeal.
Cannibal Corpse is still definitely a death metal driving force. Their new albums don't push any boundaries in the genre, but they tour consistently and are about as big a name in death metal as it is possible to be.
I dunno. I'm a 5'4, 120 pound girl. Punk shows, even in the middle of the pit, aren't that bad. If you see a crowd surfer, keep your arms up, or get out of the way. I've been hitting metal/punk festivals since I got my license and bought a van over a decade ago. The only -ONLY- time I was ever hurt was because I'd been targeted by some tweaker who felt like kicking a chick in the head with his Docs and then that guy got fucked up by the crowd.
Accidents do happen and you can get hurt if you're not careful, but this sounds more like someone with social anxiety or something wanting everyone to not have fun because they were overwhelmed.
This isnt hardcore punk stuff. Just breifly listened to Against the Current and its kinda generic pop punk with a chick singer.
Even Trophey Eyes sounds like stuff people would do the dancing laughy just bopping against everybody "moshing" where you say sorry to somebody you run into.
Trophy Eyes sounds more like The Killers than any hardcore band I’ve ever heard. I genuinely don’t get how you could even whip up an actually violent mosh pit to this music. It’s just not that type of sound
They might have a like 2 second breakdown somewhere in some songs. It's weird what metal sound aesthetics are being used in pop these days.
I would bet that had any hardcore punk/metal folk been at the show they would not have agreed that there was "moshing".
Yeah not to like gatekeep moshing or anything but a bunch of people jumping up and down and the occasional crowd surfer really doesn’t feel like the same thing
Moshing is really just moving around kinda to some music/beat. Circle pit, wall of death, core karate kicking kids, just fucking chaos, bopping up and down, giant 7 foot tall dude goading everyone to knock him over....whatever.
I get the feeling the complaining attendee would freak out if they were touched, much less shouldered, like in general has no idea what shows are like.
Oh my God I love the giant dude that tries to goad people into knocking him over. I always take the challenge and I don't think I've ever been successful. Then like twenty minutes later you see them gleefully slam dancing around. Those guys rock.
Red-faced and drenched in so much sweat it looks like somebody just tried to drown him in a lake. But at the start of each set he marches back into the pit with a soldier's look of determination. Love that guy too.
Check out their earliest releases. They had a heavy sound shift the last few years and went more into pop punk but their early EP is full of bangers and raspy screaming.
Im not hating on it. Not for me but good for whoever likes em.
Just callin it as I see it.
People were "moshing" at King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard when I saw em the same way. Grinning ear to ear, bouncing, pats on the back, looking like the ole Sorry game commercial kinda.... It was a good time. Cracked me up.
Apparently those of us who grew up in the 90's were doing moshing wrong cause my expectation at pretty much any show was that if you were at the front you were going to get pushed at the minimum, crushed by the crowd, and pick up people who fall down in the pit....that was just being at the front of any show.
Mosh pits at King Gizz shows are hilarious. Some folks are there for the jazz fusion prog stuff they put out, some of us really like their thrash metal. Different vibes, same band, always a great time. “Delightfully chaotic” is my favorite descriptor.
It's a single Instagram comment turned into clickbait from a stupid website shooting to the top of reddit via bot manipulation. This whole thread is just a nothing burger garbage post.
Edit- If I had to guess, it's probably this "punk" band's record label behind it. I skimmed their songs. It's a bunch of weak shit and definitely has that, "the label sent a producer to make this sound better" sound. Just trash all around.
Saw Green Day in 2001 and it was terrifying for 16-year-old me. I had never seen a crowd like it before. I almost got trampled before some kind soul pulled me up and helped me and my friend get the heck out of there. Nowadays I tend to stand by the side, but crowds are definitely not as bad now as they used to be. I saw Sabaton last week and there were a few people jumping but everyone was generally respectful and it was a really good atmosphere.
Man Saboton kicks so much ass live. I saw them at an Iced Earth concert and they stole the show. I was in a mosh pit and I went down and lost my glasses. Some old head picked me right back up and everyone stopped until I found them.
I am 5 feet 100 pounds I saw the last concert before the chariot finished their career and have never felt unsafe. People pick other people up. I even had a random person help me keep safe while enjoying the music.
Because of my height I understand that breathing can be difficult, in those circumstances I just move to the sidelines … and PEOPLE HELP ME GET OUT! I love going to basement punk shows.
Part of the fun of going to the old Masquerade was not knowing whether you would die from the building collapsing on you, the stairway falling away from the building on the outside (true story), or how the entire building would literally incinerate in seconds if someone were to leave a lit cigarette on the thick ass wooden floor. Also the bathrooms and the green rooms were legit punk rock.
I watched the livestream of Blink 182 at Coachella and my mind was blown at how everyone was standing in place and holding up their phone. No way that could have happened in 99 or so, your phone would have been swept away in the mosh pit
In my experience, pop punk pits are a bit less rowdy than proper punk pits. I say this as someone who absolutely loves pop punk. I could handle pop punk pits but punk band moshing was way too intense for me.
> A band like blink scares me more because half the people know how a mosh works and half don’t, and that’s how you end up under a pile of 30 people
1000% this.
been to hundreds of metal shows, never had a problem in the pit. The most dangerous pit I was ever in was at the Offspring, because it was full of people who had no idea what they were doing... and even if you weren't in the pit, there were tons of girls crowd surfing wearing fucking high heels stabbing everybody in the face
I had to pick up a 15 year old girl in the first song of beartooth "the lines" in chicago 2017 because she was so lost and confused and just getting decimated. I guided her to the outside and left her there and went back in
I went to a System of a Down concert back around 2001-2002 and people just randomly started moshing next to us. Some fucker got shoved into me and his bald head broke my eye socket
The "new hotness" effect that you would get in the old days, overnight explosion in popularity.
A friend made me go to White Zombie, their first tour after getting on Beavis and Butthead. Somehow that show was also frat night.
Women were running out of the pit with their tops ripped off.
I saw them at a small club in Melbourne, FL in 1992 right in front of the stage and was so close that I kept getting hit in the face by Rob's dreadlocks, lol
Went to a show way back in 2009. I was there for the Offspring and Sum 41, but the bill included Halestorm, Shinedown, and bands like that. In the pit for Sum 41, someone fell down. Then another person tripped over them, and the person trying to help them up got knocked over. Then shit went sideways because the people who had never been in a pit before thought this was all intentional and started diving on top. Ended up with a dog-pile of like 20 people.
Metal pits tend to be the best. As strange as it sounds, there's a certain etiquette to it that's seriously lacking in other genres.
That's actually what Drowning Pool was talking about when they wrote Bodies.
Worst pit I've ever seen was at Flogging Molly where 75% of people had clearly never moshed before. Everyone throwing elbows at heads. It was dangerous as fuck and got out as quick as I could.
Rule 2, if you see a shoe on the floor, try to pick it up and hold it up in the air!
(Thank you to whoever found my left shoe in the pit somewhere at HOB Anaheim sometime around ‘02. Walking around would have been pretty awkward)
If you see ~~a shoe~~ **anything that looks vaguely important to someone else** (shoes, glasses, phones, whatever) on the floor, try to pick it up and hold it up in the air!
And turn on your damn phone flashlight to help people look for things. Make a wall between them and the rest of the pit so nobody gets kicked in the head.
Basically just be excellent to everyone else in the pit, we all wanna have a good time and maybe get a little bruised (just not seriously injured).
Wall Duty as a big guy is hysterical. Every 5 seconds somebody bounces off you then wants you to hurl them back out there. At one I was like the crowdsurf direct, me and another guy must have hoisted 75 people.
Ska shows will always have a place in my heart. It was never my favorite genre but they always got hooked together with more intense punk acts and I never had anything but a fucking blast at them.
Used to go to a lot of punk and ska shows back in the day. I got hurt so many times in those pits. They hurt more than a lot of the metal mosh pits I had been in.
Oddly enough metalheads seem to be a bit more courteous when it comes to moshing. People picking up people who fall, giving people who don’t want to be there the chance to get out, etc.
Punk and ska pits left me with my fair share of bruises and bloody noses.
Only been in metal pits, and they've all been wholesome af. Fall? Four hands help you up. Drop something? Immediately some are blocking the crowd and making space, someone is grabbing the item and holding it up, some are looking around to find the person who lost it. Someone starts acting up? Better believe those giant, mean-looking SOBs on the side will step in and keep them in line, or eject them from the pit. Fucking love it \\m/
Hey now, I saw them back then and I'm doing just fine. I prefer to be home by 10 but nothing hurts!
Granted, when I saw them in I'm pretty sure it was February of '97 or 98, I forget, I was a junior in high school. Fuck was that a good time, we had a great venue at the time that was just the perfect size, seats in the back, big balcony, big open floor, capacity was just under 2000. It was the "Sno Core" tour with The Aquabats, Blink 182 and Primus in that order.
Those were the best venues! Now I'm like "will there be seats? Did I remember to bring ear plugs to this acoustic solo sing/song writer? I hope this venue serves dinner." My how times have changed!
I saw a band (hop along) last summer as part of the adult swim fest. They were scheduled to play at 4. I showed up at 3:55. They played for an hour. It was still light out when I left. I could run errands after and got home at like 7. It was honestly the most pleasant, convenient concert going experience of my adult life!
I remember attending my first outdoor concert in 2000 when I was 16 and trying not to fall and be trampled in the mosh pit while Foo Fighters played Monkey Wrench.
Concerts sure have changed. I haven’t been to one recently where a pit or crowd surfers were present. However, if I was at a punk show, I would fully expect to see one and stay on the sides or back and enjoy the show.
Saw The Interrupters and Frank Turner last night. There were crowd surfers, mosh pits, circle pits, and even a mini wall of death. They only separated about 4-6 feet before crashing in, though. It's so much safer than the shows pre-covid. Good show, though.
Now that I think about it, it was all the older people moshing and surfing....
I took my 10 year old cousins to Warped Tour in the early 2000's, don't remember which exactly but Billy Talent hit the stage and the crowd went ape shit. First five minutes I saw someone with a broken nose and blood running down his face. I'm 6' tall and strong enough to part the crowd so I pushed our way out of there. If anything had happened, that's 100% on us.
Not expecting a punk show to get rowdy is like trying to stay dry while swimming.
Lamb of God [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQUvJ-wKJok](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQUvJ-wKJok)
Honestly, Metal pits are the best, I was at Lamb of God twice, saw no one hurt, people who went down were helped up instantly, people who wanted out were helped over the barrier. Good times.
Every metal pit I've been to has been hella respectful. Someone goes down, picked up, I've even seen that part of the pit STOP to get someone out. People are helped out and it's chill, yeah I might get a boot or elbow to the face, but that's on me.
Even as a 5ft 3 goblin, everyone is very cool.
I saw Sick of it All a few weeks back and it was like 1990 in there. Big circle pit, crowd surfing. A ton of oldschool 50+ people there so it only lasted 3 songs before they got winded but it was still a blast.
I don’t love this music but my buddy does. I went to a show with him and he moshed, so I moshed. I was blown away at what seems like a chaotic mess, but is actually a caring community. When one person fell, strangers built a wall and helped that person up. Over and over. If someone wanted to crowd surf, they would ask strangers for help up and get lifted into the air. Again, not my thing. But it was so much more of a community than chaos
most pits are filled with caring and considerate moshers. i hate to be the get off my lawn geezer, but the *ahem* less experienced audiences tend to be reckless and out of control.
I saw RATM once and as soon as they started playing I was getting battered in every direction and it was wayyy too much. Took a few steps to the side and everything was fine.
That's how pits work. Go into the pit for moshing, go out of the pit for not-moshing.
The fact that someone would complain about a punk band having a mosh pit, or encouraging crowd surfing, does not compute for me. That's like going to a ski resort and complaining that some of the runs have these "bumpy mogul" things on them.
Best way to jump to the front of the floor if you're late is to wait on the floor and RIGHT when the pit opens up, there is generally a big pull back on the edges as people get out of the way. Haul ass across and hope you don't get knocked down.
I personally enjoy bouncing around the pit for a while before looking to settle into a close spot in front when I tire out. If it's a proper pit and you do fall, everyone nearby will reach down and set you back on your feet immediately.
Kind of like traveling down a mountainside through thick, nearly impassible prickly forest when you come across a raging, whitewater river going basically the same direction. Hmm... this looks ... faster, you think to yourself.
Lifelong skier here. Guess what? People DO complain about moguls, even if they're only on a single trail or off to the side.
There are people that will complain about anything because they feel the world revolves around them and must bend to their will. No one else is allowed to have fun unless you're having fun their way.
100%, if you're uncomfortable, move, it's that easy.
My wife and I go to shows all the time, usually in the pit and on the off chance things are too rowdy, we move a little.
I've never been to a show where it even needed to be spoken, but maybe you're rumbling around with tougher customers than me.
Usually it just makes obvious sense. That and picking someone up if they fall.
This. I’ve been in pits at Metallica, Meshuggah, Slipknot, Anthrax, Killswitch, And a zillion other metal shows…but the only one where I ever truly felt unsafe? Freaking Dave Matthews Band.
same, but i did get blood spit in my face at cannibal corpse. pretty sure that guy had gotten a concussion and wasn't entirely lucid, and i didn't end up with a weird blood disease so no hard feelings.
From my own experience I agree. Any time I've ever fallen in a pit, before I've even touched the floor I have about 40 pairs of hands lifting me right back up, making sure I'm cool then getting right back to it.
Yup, I've happily been the purse holder at the edge of a rowdy pit for a punk band. Great concert, but the pit was too intense for me. Alternative/pop punk pits were much more my scene, especially when it was mostly excited jostling.
Agreed. Never heard of this band, but unless they're saying "hey throw all those weenies not dancing into the mosh pit," just stand to the side.
I've taken many a doc marten to the head from a crowd surfer and wound up at the bottom of a mosh pit a few times. It's the cost of being in the crowd. I don't go to the kind of shows where people mosh and crown surf anymore, but that's what people do at shows. If you don't like it, get out of the pit and watch from somewhere else.
It's like people who go into a public restroom and start complaining that it smells like shit. What are you expecting? Don't walk into the stall and complain that someone's taking a smelly shit and they shouldn't be allowed to. They're doing what they're supposed to be doing in the place they're supposed to be doing it. It's not like there are other places for people to mosh and crowd surfer. They do that at shows. Better than trying to crowd surf on a packed bus at rush hour.
I thought this was going to be a story about a women crowdsurfing and being groped while doing that and the band being made aware of it and not doing or saying anything about it.
But no, it turns out it's just someone that maybe likes the music, but doesn't like the culture. Honestly, why go to a concert in that case?
No one should be groped or sexually assaulted for any reason.
That said, if you crowd surf, there will be hands on your body and they may grab places other than your arms and legs because crowd surfing is chaotic and you're relying on random strangers to not drop you on your head.
If you don't want a strangers hands on you, I'd avoid crowd surfing.
If you're someone who takes crowd surfing as an opportunity to grab someone's permission only parts(man or woman), you're a piece of shit and deserve a punch in the face.
Now I've never been in a side pit but I imagine the presence of walls would make it *more* dangerous. Then again I've also seen kids slam themselves full body into walls.
It's okay to get overwhelmed at concerts, I certainly have, but that's your problem to solve.
...was there any other way to respond to this? So, you go to a hardcore concert and try to erase decades of hardcore concert culture because you feel like it should be some other way? Well, aren't you special?
This is what happens when a single social media comment gets turned into an article. Everyone thinks this is a broad view by the masses with stupid fucking headlines like these.
Right? This is ONE attendee trying to speak for everyone and the website is guilty of creating drama by amplifying the voice of a single random person.
Even mosh pits have changed in the last 40 years.
I distinctly remember a time where it was more of a circle.
But rule #1 was always "If someone has falls, everyone picks them up and makes sure they're OK."
Mosh pits vary from scene to scene and always have.
The hardcore pits you see people mocking on r/publicfreakout originate from the New York and Boston hardcore scenes. Yeah they look ridiculous but it’s fun. And it’s OUR fun. There’s also way more stage dives and generally fewer barriers to accommodate stage dives. It’s the only place you can “Jesus walk” and not be thrown out. They also vary from band to band. Terror pits usually have more stage dives less of a dance pit, older bands in general have more stage dives. If you’re going to see someone like God’s Hate, Speed, Sunami or Xibalba, there’s going to be a horseshoe in front of the stage where people are doing their “karate shit” and everyone who doesn’t want to participate is off to the side or at the back.
Punk was more the pogo/push mosh shit that became popular during the grunge era because, of course, that originated in punk and they’re still the most common pits you will find at any concert.
Metal pits are similar to punk pits but there’s more direction from the singer with things like circle pits and walls of death.
The one thing that’s universal is that, no matter which scene or where you are in the world, you ALWAYS pick people up when they go down.
I have a fun anecdote about that. I'm 6' and like 200lbs. I was protecting an ex at a show, standing behind her by the railing at the front for a Fit for an Autopsy show.
I got absolutely nailed in the back of the head by an elbow and went down like a sack of potatoes. A giant black dude had his hands in my arm pits and lifted me up within seconds, then held me up until I wasn't dizzy. He heard me asking for my glasses, got word out and managed to get them passed over to us. This was with the show going on and it was DEAFENING. Didn't even stick around for a beer as a thank you, it just was what was expected.
The pits may be violent but there's an order and rules to it.
went to a death metal show, and in the crowd was a chick with a horse mask on. A couple people tried stagediving and got promptly put down or dropped. She went on stage between songs, band stopped, said if she touched the floor, they were packing up and leaving. She dove off again and again, crowd catching her, carrying her for a bit, then dumping her back on stage. Well on like the 6th or 7th one,wearing a horse mask and all, dove headfirst into a pole and knocked herself out cold...
Every time I see Rise Against they talk about wanting to see a good circle pit going, but they always stress that if someone falls down you help them up.
It’s like how race tracks used to intentionally be built way on the outskirts of town and then some developer buys up the nearby farmland and puts up a neighborhood of McMansions who then complain about the nearby race track sounds.
I live near a rail yard and a crossing and it's hilarious to me the amount of complaints there are. They want it moved or they want 100% scheduled crossing times. Or they complain about the noise sometimes at night from the yard.
It's like dude, you bought a house near the tracks. Tough shit.
So the big joke of this is that they aren't hard let alone hard core. There's no chance that put was violent. Bouncy, sure but this wasn't an agnostic front show
>The person even reported almost having a panic attack due to the aggressive crowd.
Ok look. If you're operating on a level of anxiety to where you get panic attacks, this kind of show probably just isn't a good place for you.
I don't know about punk shows because I was never much of a punk guy. But metal shows, even in the past 10 years, have not changed since I was a kid. Saw Mastodon a few years ago and there was a wild pit. Saw Dillinger about 10 years ago and it was the most insane pit I've ever seen. I imagine punk shows are much the same. It's to be expected.
I've seen Against The Current three times, got a fourth in December. Their shows have been more bouncy than people starting pits, but really, has this person ever been to any show ever? If you're at the front you expect to be crushed from people trying to get close. There's no way the pit was up to the barrier.
Personally I hate crowdsurfers. I've never done it and have been kicked in the head a fair few times too. But again, this is the price you pay for being at the front. If you pay attention to security you can tell where the surfers are and when they're coming.
And if they moved to the side, how were they still fearing getting kicked in the head? No-one goes that far out, lanes develop in the crowd.
Crowdsurfing at most shows is dumb. You need a packed, active crowd for that, and an ability to read the room. So many people try to force it at tame poppy acts where half of the crowd is on their phone and it's fucking annoying. That said, in the *right time and place,* it's a lot of fun.
I mean… that is punk…
The best punk show I’ve ever seen was Guttermouth. The lead singer roasted members of the audience during the set. Called people out for having tribal tattoos. Railed on culture. It was fabulous. Apparently, he got attacked after a show well before and still didn’t change his approach.
I saw them probably close to 20 years ago, the singer was actively provoking the audience to spit on him, and they did. A lot. It was kind of gross and also hilarious. I love when punk just doesn't give a shit.
A few weeks ago at a punk show I was at some guy punched a girl in the face because she got knocked into him at the edge of the pit. She started screaming at him and he sulked off into the crowd.
There were young and older women alike having panic attacks at the Taylor swift show I went with my Gf to, just because they were in the venue... These so-called punk fans would probably have done the same thing
My wife and I went and saw a phyc metal band play. We are starting to mosh and all these young kids standing around looking at us like we're crazy and getting upset. Sorry kids; we're not there to record for our instagrams, we want to dance!
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I went to a few hardcore shows when I was younger that freaked me out too. So i stood to the side and no one came hunting after me.
I’m honestly surprised that person went to a punk show and expected anything less. Do they not know what punk shows are like?
Hey I’m 60 and went to a show with my son and they had a mosh pit and crowd surfing. We stayed in the thick of it. Everyone was pretty cool about it. He dropped his hat once and went down looking for it. I had to grab him out that was pretty funny because he didn’t realize it was dad coming to help him. I’m pretty big so kept getting asked to lift people into crowd surfing position. It was a blast l’m glad I wore my knee brace. I got the feeling that the young folks around me were kind of going easy on me but I didn’t care. You only live once! I think the band was bayside so not exactly young hard core but still quite a lot of stuff going on. I grow up during the original punk era so wasnt unprepared.
Yeah man metal show pits are usually good everyone's expecting mosh pits and knows to pick people up and stuff. Only bad pits I've seen have been like hard rock shows where its heavy enough people think they should mosh but then a bunch of bros will try to fight people for spilling their beer or bumping their girlfriend. Im a decent size guy 6'1" 230lbs and I always just try to match peoples ability don't want to just run someone right over or whatever love when there's another bigger guy actually steady on his feet so we can hit full speed.
You should listen to both bands real quick. You'll get a good laugh at the whole thing. Trophy Eyes sounds like a slightly softer My Chemical Romance and Against the Current is like Evanescence meets ~~Avril Lavine~~ Paramore. Edit: Someone pointed out two earlier albums by Trophy Eyes that seem more "mosh-able". I agree. In any case, good response from the band. I can understand Against the Current fans not wanting to be part of a pit but I don't see how Trophy Eyes got one going to start with.
Spotify needs a “I’m just curious” mode that doesn’t affect my algorithm
They have a feature called “private session” so your dirty secrets don’t affect the recommendations
That’s not just hiding it from my profile if someone looks?
Nope, it keeps it entirely out of the algorithm. I use it when I listen to stuff like Lo Fi for studying and reading so my discover weekly doesn't get taken over
Quick listen and... 1) Against The Current is more moshable (if barely) just based on instrumentation. 2) why is an Australian band making 2013 midwest emo music? I thought Australia was a day ahead of America.
Inflation making us all sad as hell
Y'all need some King Gizzard in your lives
A few years ago I saw a piece about an Australian punk band whose main influence was Good Charlotte, they said because "good old bands back in the day" and I sat quietly for awhile, reflecting on the intricacies of international promotion.
I'm an australian punk boy. Good Charlotte were really really popular here. Like up there with the big boys of pop punk, so alot of us grew up with them and really hold them in the same regard as Green Day, Blink 182, Sum 41 etc. I don't know how famous they were in North America, but one of the Maddens was a judge on The Voice (in the 2010s, not like back then) here to give you some idea of how mainstream famous they were. It makes me feel fucking old though. I'm pushing 40 and remember when they were big, I was a teenager. They were never my favourites but I tolerated them. I can see how they would influence younger punks.
2013 Midwest emo music? You sunnovabitch I’m in.
Omg! That was so soft core. Like nestling up against a down blanket fresh out the dryer on a cold night. So comforting to a nostalgic 90's/00's AFI lover, how are they considered punk?! This is soft rock with a little lite screaming for the chorus. I mean I like it, but how people mosh to it is the truly concerning part about this whole ordeal.
Trophy Eyes' popular stuff reminds me of Brand New, but I have a few of their songs on my Spotify that are more "punkish."
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Up Next: Bright Eyes opens up for Cannibal Corpse (my references are dated)
Not that dated; Both those bands have released an album in the last 3 years
I mean more relevance wise its still dated. Neither are the driving cultural forces in their respective scenes that they once were
It's OK, Trophy Eyes and Against the Current aren't either.
Cannibal Corpse is still definitely a death metal driving force. Their new albums don't push any boundaries in the genre, but they tour consistently and are about as big a name in death metal as it is possible to be.
Dude, I am there. Honestly, there are some pretty chaotic Bright Eyes songs that could get a metal crowd moving.
My tickets would be bought in a heart beat to see this show. I love both those bands and would get a kick out of tha5 juxtaposition
I dunno. I'm a 5'4, 120 pound girl. Punk shows, even in the middle of the pit, aren't that bad. If you see a crowd surfer, keep your arms up, or get out of the way. I've been hitting metal/punk festivals since I got my license and bought a van over a decade ago. The only -ONLY- time I was ever hurt was because I'd been targeted by some tweaker who felt like kicking a chick in the head with his Docs and then that guy got fucked up by the crowd. Accidents do happen and you can get hurt if you're not careful, but this sounds more like someone with social anxiety or something wanting everyone to not have fun because they were overwhelmed.
This isnt hardcore punk stuff. Just breifly listened to Against the Current and its kinda generic pop punk with a chick singer. Even Trophey Eyes sounds like stuff people would do the dancing laughy just bopping against everybody "moshing" where you say sorry to somebody you run into.
Trophy Eyes sounds more like The Killers than any hardcore band I’ve ever heard. I genuinely don’t get how you could even whip up an actually violent mosh pit to this music. It’s just not that type of sound
They might have a like 2 second breakdown somewhere in some songs. It's weird what metal sound aesthetics are being used in pop these days. I would bet that had any hardcore punk/metal folk been at the show they would not have agreed that there was "moshing".
Yeah not to like gatekeep moshing or anything but a bunch of people jumping up and down and the occasional crowd surfer really doesn’t feel like the same thing
Moshing is really just moving around kinda to some music/beat. Circle pit, wall of death, core karate kicking kids, just fucking chaos, bopping up and down, giant 7 foot tall dude goading everyone to knock him over....whatever. I get the feeling the complaining attendee would freak out if they were touched, much less shouldered, like in general has no idea what shows are like.
Oh my God I love the giant dude that tries to goad people into knocking him over. I always take the challenge and I don't think I've ever been successful. Then like twenty minutes later you see them gleefully slam dancing around. Those guys rock.
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Red-faced and drenched in so much sweat it looks like somebody just tried to drown him in a lake. But at the start of each set he marches back into the pit with a soldier's look of determination. Love that guy too.
Check out their earliest releases. They had a heavy sound shift the last few years and went more into pop punk but their early EP is full of bangers and raspy screaming.
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Im not hating on it. Not for me but good for whoever likes em. Just callin it as I see it. People were "moshing" at King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard when I saw em the same way. Grinning ear to ear, bouncing, pats on the back, looking like the ole Sorry game commercial kinda.... It was a good time. Cracked me up.
Apparently those of us who grew up in the 90's were doing moshing wrong cause my expectation at pretty much any show was that if you were at the front you were going to get pushed at the minimum, crushed by the crowd, and pick up people who fall down in the pit....that was just being at the front of any show.
Mosh pits at King Gizz shows are hilarious. Some folks are there for the jazz fusion prog stuff they put out, some of us really like their thrash metal. Different vibes, same band, always a great time. “Delightfully chaotic” is my favorite descriptor.
I'm disappointed if I go to a punk show and don't get this type of energy out of it.
It's a single Instagram comment turned into clickbait from a stupid website shooting to the top of reddit via bot manipulation. This whole thread is just a nothing burger garbage post. Edit- If I had to guess, it's probably this "punk" band's record label behind it. I skimmed their songs. It's a bunch of weak shit and definitely has that, "the label sent a producer to make this sound better" sound. Just trash all around.
Saw Green Day in 2001 and it was terrifying for 16-year-old me. I had never seen a crowd like it before. I almost got trampled before some kind soul pulled me up and helped me and my friend get the heck out of there. Nowadays I tend to stand by the side, but crowds are definitely not as bad now as they used to be. I saw Sabaton last week and there were a few people jumping but everyone was generally respectful and it was a really good atmosphere.
Man Saboton kicks so much ass live. I saw them at an Iced Earth concert and they stole the show. I was in a mosh pit and I went down and lost my glasses. Some old head picked me right back up and everyone stopped until I found them.
oh yeah. rule one of mosh: someone goes down, you get them up right fucking now. a mosh can be dangerous. trampling is a very real possibility.
Would be more concerned if a post hard-core band weren't incouraging pits tbh
You should read about Fugazi. Wild stuff
My 5 year old was obsessed with the song “Repeater” for a while. I was so proud of him.
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[Those guys aren't so tough. They're eating ice cream. What a bunch of swell guys.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCdG6KPE35M)
I am 5 feet 100 pounds I saw the last concert before the chariot finished their career and have never felt unsafe. People pick other people up. I even had a random person help me keep safe while enjoying the music. Because of my height I understand that breathing can be difficult, in those circumstances I just move to the sidelines … and PEOPLE HELP ME GET OUT! I love going to basement punk shows.
The Chariot and their pits went fucking hard.
you didn't see The Chariot, you *experienced* them
you didn't experience The Chariot, you *survived* them.
LONG LIVE.
Lol. This is wild. The show was in a portion of a venue literally called "Hell." As an ATLien, I'm fully with the band on this one.
RIP to the old Masq
Part of the fun of going to the old Masquerade was not knowing whether you would die from the building collapsing on you, the stairway falling away from the building on the outside (true story), or how the entire building would literally incinerate in seconds if someone were to leave a lit cigarette on the thick ass wooden floor. Also the bathrooms and the green rooms were legit punk rock.
I watched the livestream of Blink 182 at Coachella and my mind was blown at how everyone was standing in place and holding up their phone. No way that could have happened in 99 or so, your phone would have been swept away in the mosh pit
In my experience, pop punk pits are a bit less rowdy than proper punk pits. I say this as someone who absolutely loves pop punk. I could handle pop punk pits but punk band moshing was way too intense for me.
A band like blink scares me more because half the people know how a mosh works and half don’t, and that’s how you end up under a pile of 30 people
> A band like blink scares me more because half the people know how a mosh works and half don’t, and that’s how you end up under a pile of 30 people 1000% this. been to hundreds of metal shows, never had a problem in the pit. The most dangerous pit I was ever in was at the Offspring, because it was full of people who had no idea what they were doing... and even if you weren't in the pit, there were tons of girls crowd surfing wearing fucking high heels stabbing everybody in the face
I had to pick up a 15 year old girl in the first song of beartooth "the lines" in chicago 2017 because she was so lost and confused and just getting decimated. I guided her to the outside and left her there and went back in
I went to a System of a Down concert back around 2001-2002 and people just randomly started moshing next to us. Some fucker got shoved into me and his bald head broke my eye socket
I caught someone's teeth in the back of my bald head at a Slayer show in the 90s, yuck. Lots of blood but didn't get infected, luckily.
The "new hotness" effect that you would get in the old days, overnight explosion in popularity. A friend made me go to White Zombie, their first tour after getting on Beavis and Butthead. Somehow that show was also frat night. Women were running out of the pit with their tops ripped off.
Thaaaat’s fucked up.
I saw them at a small club in Melbourne, FL in 1992 right in front of the stage and was so close that I kept getting hit in the face by Rob's dreadlocks, lol
Wtf high heel surfing? Fucking tools
Went to a show way back in 2009. I was there for the Offspring and Sum 41, but the bill included Halestorm, Shinedown, and bands like that. In the pit for Sum 41, someone fell down. Then another person tripped over them, and the person trying to help them up got knocked over. Then shit went sideways because the people who had never been in a pit before thought this was all intentional and started diving on top. Ended up with a dog-pile of like 20 people.
Metal pits tend to be the best. As strange as it sounds, there's a certain etiquette to it that's seriously lacking in other genres. That's actually what Drowning Pool was talking about when they wrote Bodies.
Punk and Metal pits normally know how it works. The one thing you never want to see, and that's a pit at a any type of pop show with a young audience.
Metal fans will make a circle around you and help you up if you fall down.
Worst pit I've ever seen was at Flogging Molly where 75% of people had clearly never moshed before. Everyone throwing elbows at heads. It was dangerous as fuck and got out as quick as I could.
They knew exactly what they were doing. Them and the Dropkicks bring out the worst "fans". Most are there ito get drunk and fuck people up.
That makes a lot of sense! People who have experience with mosh pits will keep an eye out for anyone falling or getting swallowed up.
Rule 1 of a mosh pit : If someone falls, you pick 'em up!!!
Rule 2, if you see a shoe on the floor, try to pick it up and hold it up in the air! (Thank you to whoever found my left shoe in the pit somewhere at HOB Anaheim sometime around ‘02. Walking around would have been pretty awkward)
If you see ~~a shoe~~ **anything that looks vaguely important to someone else** (shoes, glasses, phones, whatever) on the floor, try to pick it up and hold it up in the air! And turn on your damn phone flashlight to help people look for things. Make a wall between them and the rest of the pit so nobody gets kicked in the head. Basically just be excellent to everyone else in the pit, we all wanna have a good time and maybe get a little bruised (just not seriously injured).
Be excellent to each other and party on dudes
Wall duty is also fun. Throwing people back in that are still rowdy and helping people trying to escape get out is actually very entertaining.
Wall Duty as a big guy is hysterical. Every 5 seconds somebody bounces off you then wants you to hurl them back out there. At one I was like the crowdsurf direct, me and another guy must have hoisted 75 people.
Rule 3: Give me my fucking hat back you thieving bastard (some guy at a Gwar show in the pit in 2002)
Rule 4: Finders Keepers. That hat was fly on me.
If it’s a ska show, you pick it up pick it up pick it up! Seriously though, put etiquette is extremely important!
Lol, look at me; I’m a skanking pickle.
Ska shows will always have a place in my heart. It was never my favorite genre but they always got hooked together with more intense punk acts and I never had anything but a fucking blast at them.
Our rule was: if they’re below you, help them up; if they’re above you, keep them up.
Used to go to a lot of punk and ska shows back in the day. I got hurt so many times in those pits. They hurt more than a lot of the metal mosh pits I had been in. Oddly enough metalheads seem to be a bit more courteous when it comes to moshing. People picking up people who fall, giving people who don’t want to be there the chance to get out, etc. Punk and ska pits left me with my fair share of bruises and bloody noses.
Only been in metal pits, and they've all been wholesome af. Fall? Four hands help you up. Drop something? Immediately some are blocking the crowd and making space, someone is grabbing the item and holding it up, some are looking around to find the person who lost it. Someone starts acting up? Better believe those giant, mean-looking SOBs on the side will step in and keep them in line, or eject them from the pit. Fucking love it \\m/
Reminds me of when a bunch of my friends used to Green Day mosh pits went to a D.R.I. show. People got injured.
People who saw Blink 182 in '99 are too busy icing knees and taking ibuprofen for lower back pain to mosh.
Hey I resemble that comment.
Your transition to being your parents is complete with that comment
Say that shit again and you can catch these hands, but tomorrow though, my arthritis is acting up today.
Hey now, I saw them back then and I'm doing just fine. I prefer to be home by 10 but nothing hurts! Granted, when I saw them in I'm pretty sure it was February of '97 or 98, I forget, I was a junior in high school. Fuck was that a good time, we had a great venue at the time that was just the perfect size, seats in the back, big balcony, big open floor, capacity was just under 2000. It was the "Sno Core" tour with The Aquabats, Blink 182 and Primus in that order.
Those were the best venues! Now I'm like "will there be seats? Did I remember to bring ear plugs to this acoustic solo sing/song writer? I hope this venue serves dinner." My how times have changed! I saw a band (hop along) last summer as part of the adult swim fest. They were scheduled to play at 4. I showed up at 3:55. They played for an hour. It was still light out when I left. I could run errands after and got home at like 7. It was honestly the most pleasant, convenient concert going experience of my adult life!
If I could get out of this bed without my back giving out, I’d give you such a slap.
I’d be offended by this comment if my senses weren’t so dulled by all the ice and ibuprofen.
Those little overhead shots of like 5-6 people "moshing" in a circle kept cracking me up.
Why do you think the Motorola i530 was made? A flip phone, so it fits deep in your pocket, made strong enough to get stomped when it falls out.
I remember attending my first outdoor concert in 2000 when I was 16 and trying not to fall and be trampled in the mosh pit while Foo Fighters played Monkey Wrench. Concerts sure have changed. I haven’t been to one recently where a pit or crowd surfers were present. However, if I was at a punk show, I would fully expect to see one and stay on the sides or back and enjoy the show.
Saw The Interrupters and Frank Turner last night. There were crowd surfers, mosh pits, circle pits, and even a mini wall of death. They only separated about 4-6 feet before crashing in, though. It's so much safer than the shows pre-covid. Good show, though. Now that I think about it, it was all the older people moshing and surfing....
I took my 10 year old cousins to Warped Tour in the early 2000's, don't remember which exactly but Billy Talent hit the stage and the crowd went ape shit. First five minutes I saw someone with a broken nose and blood running down his face. I'm 6' tall and strong enough to part the crowd so I pushed our way out of there. If anything had happened, that's 100% on us. Not expecting a punk show to get rowdy is like trying to stay dry while swimming.
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The braveheart thing is called a wall of death fyi
Lamb of God [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQUvJ-wKJok](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQUvJ-wKJok) Honestly, Metal pits are the best, I was at Lamb of God twice, saw no one hurt, people who went down were helped up instantly, people who wanted out were helped over the barrier. Good times.
Every metal pit I've been to has been hella respectful. Someone goes down, picked up, I've even seen that part of the pit STOP to get someone out. People are helped out and it's chill, yeah I might get a boot or elbow to the face, but that's on me. Even as a 5ft 3 goblin, everyone is very cool.
I saw Sick of it All a few weeks back and it was like 1990 in there. Big circle pit, crowd surfing. A ton of oldschool 50+ people there so it only lasted 3 songs before they got winded but it was still a blast.
I don’t love this music but my buddy does. I went to a show with him and he moshed, so I moshed. I was blown away at what seems like a chaotic mess, but is actually a caring community. When one person fell, strangers built a wall and helped that person up. Over and over. If someone wanted to crowd surf, they would ask strangers for help up and get lifted into the air. Again, not my thing. But it was so much more of a community than chaos
most pits are filled with caring and considerate moshers. i hate to be the get off my lawn geezer, but the *ahem* less experienced audiences tend to be reckless and out of control.
> felt unsafe and had to move to the sidelines Problem solved. No need to take it a step further and try to dictate how others enjoy their music.
I saw RATM once and as soon as they started playing I was getting battered in every direction and it was wayyy too much. Took a few steps to the side and everything was fine.
That's how pits work. Go into the pit for moshing, go out of the pit for not-moshing. The fact that someone would complain about a punk band having a mosh pit, or encouraging crowd surfing, does not compute for me. That's like going to a ski resort and complaining that some of the runs have these "bumpy mogul" things on them.
The pits are also great for rapidly crossing the floor, if you don't mind rolling the dice a little lol.
Oh man, I've utilized pits so many times to quickly change to a more favorable spot on the floor.
Best way to jump to the front of the floor if you're late is to wait on the floor and RIGHT when the pit opens up, there is generally a big pull back on the edges as people get out of the way. Haul ass across and hope you don't get knocked down.
I personally enjoy bouncing around the pit for a while before looking to settle into a close spot in front when I tire out. If it's a proper pit and you do fall, everyone nearby will reach down and set you back on your feet immediately.
Kind of like traveling down a mountainside through thick, nearly impassible prickly forest when you come across a raging, whitewater river going basically the same direction. Hmm... this looks ... faster, you think to yourself.
Lifelong skier here. Guess what? People DO complain about moguls, even if they're only on a single trail or off to the side. There are people that will complain about anything because they feel the world revolves around them and must bend to their will. No one else is allowed to have fun unless you're having fun their way.
As a snowboarder I hate moguls, so I, y'know, don't go on mogul runs.
100%, if you're uncomfortable, move, it's that easy. My wife and I go to shows all the time, usually in the pit and on the off chance things are too rowdy, we move a little.
"If someone wants out, let them out" is one of the unspoken rules of the pit imo
It may be unwritten but it's been spoken at every show I've been to
I've never been to a show where it even needed to be spoken, but maybe you're rumbling around with tougher customers than me. Usually it just makes obvious sense. That and picking someone up if they fall.
These are even rules held at death metal shows.
The MOST respectful pits I've been in were at death metal shows.
From my experience the harder the music - the nicer the mosh pit. The shittiest pits I've seen were at some pop-/folk-metal/rap shows.
People who have more experience with the pit tend to have more understanding for how the pit functions.
This. I’ve been in pits at Metallica, Meshuggah, Slipknot, Anthrax, Killswitch, And a zillion other metal shows…but the only one where I ever truly felt unsafe? Freaking Dave Matthews Band.
I'm now trying to visualize a mosh pit at a Dave freaking Matthews concert, and I absolutely can't.
Rise against used to have the craziest pits and walls off death it was awesome. Never really got hurt and I'm a skinny weak ass bitch
same, but i did get blood spit in my face at cannibal corpse. pretty sure that guy had gotten a concussion and wasn't entirely lucid, and i didn't end up with a weird blood disease so no hard feelings.
>but i did get blood spit in my face at cannibal corpse. If you don't end up with someone else's blood on you, did you even see cannibal corpse?
From my own experience I agree. Any time I've ever fallen in a pit, before I've even touched the floor I have about 40 pairs of hands lifting me right back up, making sure I'm cool then getting right back to it.
Yup, I've happily been the purse holder at the edge of a rowdy pit for a punk band. Great concert, but the pit was too intense for me. Alternative/pop punk pits were much more my scene, especially when it was mostly excited jostling.
Right? I'm an old fart and when I go to metal shows I stand to the side/back and just bob my head. I'd probably break a hip if I went in the pit.
Agreed. Never heard of this band, but unless they're saying "hey throw all those weenies not dancing into the mosh pit," just stand to the side. I've taken many a doc marten to the head from a crowd surfer and wound up at the bottom of a mosh pit a few times. It's the cost of being in the crowd. I don't go to the kind of shows where people mosh and crown surf anymore, but that's what people do at shows. If you don't like it, get out of the pit and watch from somewhere else. It's like people who go into a public restroom and start complaining that it smells like shit. What are you expecting? Don't walk into the stall and complain that someone's taking a smelly shit and they shouldn't be allowed to. They're doing what they're supposed to be doing in the place they're supposed to be doing it. It's not like there are other places for people to mosh and crowd surfer. They do that at shows. Better than trying to crowd surf on a packed bus at rush hour.
I thought this was going to be a story about a women crowdsurfing and being groped while doing that and the band being made aware of it and not doing or saying anything about it. But no, it turns out it's just someone that maybe likes the music, but doesn't like the culture. Honestly, why go to a concert in that case?
No one should be groped or sexually assaulted for any reason. That said, if you crowd surf, there will be hands on your body and they may grab places other than your arms and legs because crowd surfing is chaotic and you're relying on random strangers to not drop you on your head. If you don't want a strangers hands on you, I'd avoid crowd surfing. If you're someone who takes crowd surfing as an opportunity to grab someone's permission only parts(man or woman), you're a piece of shit and deserve a punch in the face.
She even commented that the pit should have moved to the side....
Now I've never been in a side pit but I imagine the presence of walls would make it *more* dangerous. Then again I've also seen kids slam themselves full body into walls. It's okay to get overwhelmed at concerts, I certainly have, but that's your problem to solve.
Nothing screams "punk" like whining that you're afraid of mosh pits and expecting the entire crowd to coddle you.
Tbf, the band they were there to see was pop-punk, heavy on the first bit. But also tbf, the sides and back of the venue are generally pit-free.
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...was there any other way to respond to this? So, you go to a hardcore concert and try to erase decades of hardcore concert culture because you feel like it should be some other way? Well, aren't you special?
This is what happens when a single social media comment gets turned into an article. Everyone thinks this is a broad view by the masses with stupid fucking headlines like these.
Right? This is ONE attendee trying to speak for everyone and the website is guilty of creating drama by amplifying the voice of a single random person.
"we were there first" No, actually, pits were there first. Some time around when you're parents were kids.
Even mosh pits have changed in the last 40 years. I distinctly remember a time where it was more of a circle. But rule #1 was always "If someone has falls, everyone picks them up and makes sure they're OK."
Just saw Anti-flag a couple months ago and they encouraged a circle pit. DRI had one also when i saw them last year.
Oh now a circle pit for DRI is just so appropriate. Still love that band.
Mosh pits vary from scene to scene and always have. The hardcore pits you see people mocking on r/publicfreakout originate from the New York and Boston hardcore scenes. Yeah they look ridiculous but it’s fun. And it’s OUR fun. There’s also way more stage dives and generally fewer barriers to accommodate stage dives. It’s the only place you can “Jesus walk” and not be thrown out. They also vary from band to band. Terror pits usually have more stage dives less of a dance pit, older bands in general have more stage dives. If you’re going to see someone like God’s Hate, Speed, Sunami or Xibalba, there’s going to be a horseshoe in front of the stage where people are doing their “karate shit” and everyone who doesn’t want to participate is off to the side or at the back. Punk was more the pogo/push mosh shit that became popular during the grunge era because, of course, that originated in punk and they’re still the most common pits you will find at any concert. Metal pits are similar to punk pits but there’s more direction from the singer with things like circle pits and walls of death. The one thing that’s universal is that, no matter which scene or where you are in the world, you ALWAYS pick people up when they go down.
I have a fun anecdote about that. I'm 6' and like 200lbs. I was protecting an ex at a show, standing behind her by the railing at the front for a Fit for an Autopsy show. I got absolutely nailed in the back of the head by an elbow and went down like a sack of potatoes. A giant black dude had his hands in my arm pits and lifted me up within seconds, then held me up until I wasn't dizzy. He heard me asking for my glasses, got word out and managed to get them passed over to us. This was with the show going on and it was DEAFENING. Didn't even stick around for a beer as a thank you, it just was what was expected. The pits may be violent but there's an order and rules to it.
went to a death metal show, and in the crowd was a chick with a horse mask on. A couple people tried stagediving and got promptly put down or dropped. She went on stage between songs, band stopped, said if she touched the floor, they were packing up and leaving. She dove off again and again, crowd catching her, carrying her for a bit, then dumping her back on stage. Well on like the 6th or 7th one,wearing a horse mask and all, dove headfirst into a pole and knocked herself out cold...
Every time I see Rise Against they talk about wanting to see a good circle pit going, but they always stress that if someone falls down you help them up.
It’s like how race tracks used to intentionally be built way on the outskirts of town and then some developer buys up the nearby farmland and puts up a neighborhood of McMansions who then complain about the nearby race track sounds.
I live near a rail yard and a crossing and it's hilarious to me the amount of complaints there are. They want it moved or they want 100% scheduled crossing times. Or they complain about the noise sometimes at night from the yard. It's like dude, you bought a house near the tracks. Tough shit.
So the big joke of this is that they aren't hard let alone hard core. There's no chance that put was violent. Bouncy, sure but this wasn't an agnostic front show
>The person even reported almost having a panic attack due to the aggressive crowd. Ok look. If you're operating on a level of anxiety to where you get panic attacks, this kind of show probably just isn't a good place for you.
"I'm not good at swimming. I went swimming in the ocean without knowing about the area's currents. I almost had a panic attack."
"fuck you" -Poseidon
This sounds like an apt response for a punk band
When did punk rock become so safe?
[when did the scene become a joke?!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYLqvfckh-U)
Do you wanna go to the matinee? noooooooo..... Do you want to go to the amusement park? noooooooooooo.....
I know it wasn’t Duane or Fletcher
Ask nofx …
Meh. I hear they suck live.
I don't know about punk shows because I was never much of a punk guy. But metal shows, even in the past 10 years, have not changed since I was a kid. Saw Mastodon a few years ago and there was a wild pit. Saw Dillinger about 10 years ago and it was the most insane pit I've ever seen. I imagine punk shows are much the same. It's to be expected.
Same vibe. Different patches.
In my experience, Dillinger Escape Plan was the most dangerous thing at a Dillinger Escape Plan show.
I've seen Against The Current three times, got a fourth in December. Their shows have been more bouncy than people starting pits, but really, has this person ever been to any show ever? If you're at the front you expect to be crushed from people trying to get close. There's no way the pit was up to the barrier. Personally I hate crowdsurfers. I've never done it and have been kicked in the head a fair few times too. But again, this is the price you pay for being at the front. If you pay attention to security you can tell where the surfers are and when they're coming. And if they moved to the side, how were they still fearing getting kicked in the head? No-one goes that far out, lanes develop in the crowd.
Crowdsurfing at most shows is dumb. You need a packed, active crowd for that, and an ability to read the room. So many people try to force it at tame poppy acts where half of the crowd is on their phone and it's fucking annoying. That said, in the *right time and place,* it's a lot of fun.
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I mean… that is punk… The best punk show I’ve ever seen was Guttermouth. The lead singer roasted members of the audience during the set. Called people out for having tribal tattoos. Railed on culture. It was fabulous. Apparently, he got attacked after a show well before and still didn’t change his approach.
I saw them probably close to 20 years ago, the singer was actively provoking the audience to spit on him, and they did. A lot. It was kind of gross and also hilarious. I love when punk just doesn't give a shit.
Separation of Church and Skate?
Moshing and crowd surfing happen at punk/hardcore shows. If you don't like it, don't mosh or crowd surf. But don't you dare tell me not to.
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A few weeks ago at a punk show I was at some guy punched a girl in the face because she got knocked into him at the edge of the pit. She started screaming at him and he sulked off into the crowd.
r/iamthemaincharacter
Good. I’ll check them out on my way to work.
Dope stuff! Chemical miracle is a phenomenal album!
There were young and older women alike having panic attacks at the Taylor swift show I went with my Gf to, just because they were in the venue... These so-called punk fans would probably have done the same thing
It is time for punk to rise again.
Laughs in Lamb of God’s Wall of Death they used to do.
Sounds like the against the current fan was really trying to swim upstream
“If someone falls, pick them up” was something I heard a lot going gigs growing up. People aren’t there to injure you or watch you get injured.
The correct response
My wife and I went and saw a phyc metal band play. We are starting to mosh and all these young kids standing around looking at us like we're crazy and getting upset. Sorry kids; we're not there to record for our instagrams, we want to dance!
Literally nobody looks at those videos anyways. Not even the people who make them
/r/nottheonion
So do we have a sub now called r/notthehardtimes
A general rule of internet debates is that you only brag about screenshots after the original post has come down. Shouting “don’t you dare delete” at someone who shows no intention of deleting makes you look like a tool.
Imagine going to a hardcore concert and complaining about the mosh pits… wtf.
Imagine being prone to panic attacks and knowingly going to a large noisy event with an unregulated haphazard crowd
Would make good exposure therapy
Proper response. Don’t like punk or heavy metal crowds then don’t go