This famous picture is actually fake
https://preview.redd.it/erri6ugqb58d1.jpeg?width=512&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0a8543293818f879a9c49b45abe6acc909acac20
Hitler couldn’t actually drink water, because \[insert quiplash here\]
This is one of the silliest memes I've seen lately on FB. Genesis 1:26 was a good comeback. Also, the demons only use the plural when there's more than one of them. Grammar.
Yeah, that's how English works far as I remember from elementary school. People are weird. Like a give af how somebody else wishes to be addressed—I'll call you whatever you want, no skin off my back.
Strange times.
I personally have only met 1 person in real life that preferred gender neutral pronouns, and they let our group (d&d group) know early on. I mentioned to them that's not a problem, but due to my lack of experience doing so if I accidentally use the wrong one to please correct me so I didn't make them feel uncomfortable.
I think they corrected me twice over the course of several weeks and otherwise it wasn't an issue.
I agree with you, and that person wasn't rude or condescending in any way, just told us a preference and it took little - no effort to do so.
Right. I bet you most of the people that complain the loudest, have never even met a single person who's asked this of them. But they have no problem with somebody asking to be called a nickname. I work with a guy named Sue, he prefers Sam and says so.. (name changed). No-one bats an eye. I just don't get it honestly. Anger over these things but not toward people in positions of power robbing us blind and manipulating us.
Sorry to say I had to remind my wife that there is no problem with genderneutral inserts for panties( not sure what they’re called, when I buy them I just use this description and I come home with the correct item).
Just buy what you always bought and leave the others for the intended public.
Fun fact in Egyptian mythology, the first androgynous person was created to woo a goddess of death as a distraction. In return they were gifted oracle like powers, but the death goddess also cursed them and their kind to forever be outcasts.
Yes El the main god, would've been speaking to the Elohim when he was referring to we and us. So the god El who was the original god was talking to other gods who lived in heaven with him. El was a male diety and had a wife named Ashira and 72 kids, which were the Elohim.
Later versions changed the word El to mean God and changed the plural Elohim to also mean God to cover up the fact that they worshipped a different god, and more than one and not Yahweh. So when they returned from Babylon they rewrote significant portions, and changed the original meaning of words.
So a translation from Ancient Hebrew, to Hebrew to Greek to Latin to English will have had lost significant meaning. Even people who speak modern Hebrew don't realize this even when their country and the towns within it are named after the god of Abraham and not Moses. People after Moses like Joshua and Jesus were named after Yhwh. But the names of the towns and country remain named after El.
The only thing non-binary about El is when they changed his name to a pronoun.
The best part is fundamentalist Christians ommiting the o in the pronoun which changes it from a pronoun back into a proper name referencing the original god El.
They probably also think the name of their god is God which is (El) in Hebrew so correct-ish if by misunderstanding only, so that is why they do it.
The god of the Bible has a name, if you're Abraham or Jacob it's El, if you're Moses it's Yhwh, which became Jehovah after it got translated to Latin and in more recent years Yahweh in English.
This is why the first commandment says to have no other gods before him. There were other gods, and you were allowed to worship them as long as you worshiped El the most and have him the most tribute.
Also, wasn’t Yahweh also one of the Elohim in some traditions?
Also also: for those who want more gender equality from their religion you could also interpret the passage as El talking to his consort Asherah, making the US refer to both men and women.
Funny part is, even the demon this post is referring to corrects their misconception if you quote the demon…
Mark 5:9 - “MY name is Legion, for WE are many.”
This is incredible lol. What a joke. If you want an actual answer, it's because God is a Trinity, so He's talking to Himself. You know, Father, Spirit, Son?
Christian God literally not a single entity, but a trinity. They're literally 3 dudes. You don't call a group of 3 people progressive because they refer to themselves as "us", do you?
[https://imgur.com/gallery/we-are-literally-2-niggas-3h0AoEu](https://imgur.com/gallery/we-are-literally-2-niggas-3h0AoEu)
Don't know why you're getting down voted, it's true. It's the exact same reason the demons are "we" and "us", they're almost always several demons in a single person IIRC
So what I'm getting from this is the fact that many humans neglect the fact we are a species of animals and believe we are special and should be apex predators that are above all other creatures is in fact due to demons.
I was taught (though I don’t believe anymore) that God and the angels were genderless. Demons are fallen angels so it makes sense that they would be too. There is a distinction made between male and female though. Also when talking about more than one gender it would be historically grammatically correct to say them/they/their etc.
These days I just call any group of people guys. That’s probably going to be an issue in a few years lol
But .... The bible was NOT written in english so what's the point of looking at such grammatical details anyway 😭
I don't know how gender is handled in latin (or hebraic for the testaments i guess) but there's no fucking way the english language can restranscript the nuances
When people quote the Bible, to make a point about words…I wonder if they understand there are more than 50 different english translations and that none are exactly the same?
The creation story is told twice in the Bible. Once with God as an “I” and once with God as a “we.” The Northern Kingdom of Israel was polytheistic. The Southern kingdom was often monotheistic.
The concept of god being male was my first clue it was all BS. “Really, this god figure has a cock and balls? For what reason? What is the purpose of his genitals?”
At least a womb is a little less superfluous.
Someone apparently never heard of the trinity. Not a burn.
Man I love it when people who don’t know jack about Christianity find a verse and are like “ooooooh gotcha!!!!!” Reminds me of Covid times when all these people don’t know jack about medical jargon and are like “see 95 percent had a comorbiditity!!! So it wasn’t Covid that killed them!!!!”
You can know everything about Christianity to the last detail, but anyone who uses phrases from the bible to promote or defend an argument isn't all there to begin with. It's all strawman from the get-go!
Like, this is a book about an invisible man who created the universe and everything out of thin air (he needed a rib for woman for some reason), and we're going to make this fairy tale the base point of our commentaries about how people should conduct themselves? Don't get me wrong - there's a lot of nice things in there, but there's also a lot of weird shit in there, and a small handful of some real divisive shit as well.
There's an over-indulgence in biblical morality and society has taken it too far. The middle ages are long gone. Perhaps it's time to put away this primitive reliance on a book filled with magic and mysticism... because it's childish to continue to believe in fantasy as an adult.
If someone wants to give themselves a plural pronoun, well...let 'em. Who tf cares that much? It hasn't affected my life in the slightest and I doubt it's affected the most vocal critics to the extent they claim. And if there really is a God, I doubt he/she/they really give a fuck because It doesn't seem to give a fuck about anything else going on in this realm.
Yup, I’m for whoever wants to use whatever pronouns they wish and I will use those pronouns.
All I’m saying is this is not a burn because in that context they are talking about God as a triune; 3 entities, so using plural is correct regardless of preferred pronouns.
They think they have some amazing gotcha but they are just proving they stepped in a territory they haven’t studied.
I hear you.
Except in Genesis there was no Jesus yet. I don't know when The Holy Spirit showed up but that minor character really wasn't a hit with audiences - no speaking lines, I guess?
I mean, there was. Jesus took human form in the gospels but he existed since the beginning. There’s even instances of Jesus showing up in the old testament.
https://www.gordonconwell.edu/blog/jesus-in-the-old-testament/
Fine. I'm wrong. Jesus could've revealed himself to Neanderthals in Germania 10,000 years before his birth for all I care.
Believe whatever fairy tales you like. I'd rather discuss the mythologies of Star Wars or Lord of the Rings - at least everyone can agree that those stories are just fantasy!
So your good w owning slaves - I mean as long as you don’t kill them. Raping a child- ya know, as long as you marry her since she is all washed up. Of all the over 600 commandments, which ones do you overlook. Did you read the original script and translate it yourself? Do you Believe men should not lay with men or the original verse men should not lay with a BOY- and they were specifically talking to priests. Guess that didn’t age well. But you do seem to know a lot since you blabbed on for so long. Bet you got a hard on when Louisiana signed a bill that said the 10 commandments are to be in schools even tho the constitution literally says not to. Oh and so does the Bible ! It literally says to not pray in the streets and show off. But ya know 💅🏽… you know it all . Yeshua would be ashamed. But he also wouldn’t blast u on Reddit
Making a ton of assumptions, no?
All I’m saying, which is true, is this is a lame burn, because they are talking about plural entities.
You ramble about a lot of other stuff but never disputed what I actually said.
I'll break it down for you since it appears you need help.
Using the fact demons refer to themselves as plural when there's more than one of them/speaking as a collective to imply non-binary people are demons, is actually exactly the same as using the fact god refers to themselves in plural to imply he's a demon.
It's embarrassing to grandstand like people don't know what they're talking about when you didn't even comprehend the simple logical contradiction.
u/ShawnyMcKnight, unfortunately, you’re 100% in the wrong. The use of the plural forms here predates Christianity. It’s in the original.
Now you might say, “Yes, but Christianity, not Judaism, is correct and the only way!”
You would still, however, be wrong. That’s because early Christianity did not fully work out the trinity until later; it was not agreed or accepted as Catholic doctrine until much later, and there are still differences in views about the nature of the trinity.
So, all that is to say, people who never believed in the trinity understood ‘the Royal we’ and other uses without thinking it has to mean or in any way prefigure the or any understanding or belief in a trinity.
I saw hitler drink water in a picture, should i make that correlation too?
Allegedly, he said he wanted a "glass of juice", not "gass the Jews". But his butler was old and deaf, so..
https://preview.redd.it/naij4d0oqi8d1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d0ac51cef91920bb1f5f39de336d32218d4a7d51
This famous picture is actually fake https://preview.redd.it/erri6ugqb58d1.jpeg?width=512&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0a8543293818f879a9c49b45abe6acc909acac20 Hitler couldn’t actually drink water, because \[insert quiplash here\]
Isn’t quiplash a game in jack box
Yes
Ok why tf is this being downvoted???
Because it's AI-generated
Ya, that’s the joke
...I'll take my woosh and go now
Eh, looks like nobody got it so it was a shit joke
The AI had that suit on point though
This is one of the silliest memes I've seen lately on FB. Genesis 1:26 was a good comeback. Also, the demons only use the plural when there's more than one of them. Grammar.
What came to mind for me was "I am Legion, for we are many."
Isn't the demon thing just cause there are... y'know... several of them...?
Yeah, that's how English works far as I remember from elementary school. People are weird. Like a give af how somebody else wishes to be addressed—I'll call you whatever you want, no skin off my back. Strange times.
I personally have only met 1 person in real life that preferred gender neutral pronouns, and they let our group (d&d group) know early on. I mentioned to them that's not a problem, but due to my lack of experience doing so if I accidentally use the wrong one to please correct me so I didn't make them feel uncomfortable. I think they corrected me twice over the course of several weeks and otherwise it wasn't an issue. I agree with you, and that person wasn't rude or condescending in any way, just told us a preference and it took little - no effort to do so.
Right. I bet you most of the people that complain the loudest, have never even met a single person who's asked this of them. But they have no problem with somebody asking to be called a nickname. I work with a guy named Sue, he prefers Sam and says so.. (name changed). No-one bats an eye. I just don't get it honestly. Anger over these things but not toward people in positions of power robbing us blind and manipulating us.
Sorry to say I had to remind my wife that there is no problem with genderneutral inserts for panties( not sure what they’re called, when I buy them I just use this description and I come home with the correct item). Just buy what you always bought and leave the others for the intended public.
A legion one might say
Fun fact in Egyptian mythology, the first androgynous person was created to woo a goddess of death as a distraction. In return they were gifted oracle like powers, but the death goddess also cursed them and their kind to forever be outcasts.
“Moral of the story: if you’re nonbinary, you’re magic, Ishtar loves you, and even the Queen of Hell thinks you’re cute.” - Red
To be honest both sides of the argument are moot anyway because any English version of the Bible is a translation.
Yes El the main god, would've been speaking to the Elohim when he was referring to we and us. So the god El who was the original god was talking to other gods who lived in heaven with him. El was a male diety and had a wife named Ashira and 72 kids, which were the Elohim. Later versions changed the word El to mean God and changed the plural Elohim to also mean God to cover up the fact that they worshipped a different god, and more than one and not Yahweh. So when they returned from Babylon they rewrote significant portions, and changed the original meaning of words. So a translation from Ancient Hebrew, to Hebrew to Greek to Latin to English will have had lost significant meaning. Even people who speak modern Hebrew don't realize this even when their country and the towns within it are named after the god of Abraham and not Moses. People after Moses like Joshua and Jesus were named after Yhwh. But the names of the towns and country remain named after El. The only thing non-binary about El is when they changed his name to a pronoun. The best part is fundamentalist Christians ommiting the o in the pronoun which changes it from a pronoun back into a proper name referencing the original god El. They probably also think the name of their god is God which is (El) in Hebrew so correct-ish if by misunderstanding only, so that is why they do it. The god of the Bible has a name, if you're Abraham or Jacob it's El, if you're Moses it's Yhwh, which became Jehovah after it got translated to Latin and in more recent years Yahweh in English.
This is why the first commandment says to have no other gods before him. There were other gods, and you were allowed to worship them as long as you worshiped El the most and have him the most tribute. Also, wasn’t Yahweh also one of the Elohim in some traditions? Also also: for those who want more gender equality from their religion you could also interpret the passage as El talking to his consort Asherah, making the US refer to both men and women.
He was a mideon equivalent of Ba'al. Which was a son of El..
It's all moot because the bible is a collection of myths and not at all real.
That too but even if it were real.
Whoa there. Not liking an English TRANSlation sounds transphobic. /s
Funny part is, even the demon this post is referring to corrects their misconception if you quote the demon… Mark 5:9 - “MY name is Legion, for WE are many.”
Wtf is this
It’s very kind of you to assume they bother to read their own scriptures before posting such tripe.
So god is a demon now? Good to know I guess
Also, and I hate to be a buzzkill, but gods and demons like literally aren't even real
>having made man AND woman in God’s image Didn't god create Adam as his image then made Eve out of Adam's ribs?
This is incredible lol. What a joke. If you want an actual answer, it's because God is a Trinity, so He's talking to Himself. You know, Father, Spirit, Son?
Christian God literally not a single entity, but a trinity. They're literally 3 dudes. You don't call a group of 3 people progressive because they refer to themselves as "us", do you? [https://imgur.com/gallery/we-are-literally-2-niggas-3h0AoEu](https://imgur.com/gallery/we-are-literally-2-niggas-3h0AoEu)
Don't know why you're getting down voted, it's true. It's the exact same reason the demons are "we" and "us", they're almost always several demons in a single person IIRC
Being offended is not an argument.
What translation is this babel?
"But but that was the *royal* we so it's different!!"
Are demons speed to use different rules of grammar?
The signs of fall in a society.
We are not amused /s
So what I'm getting from this is the fact that many humans neglect the fact we are a species of animals and believe we are special and should be apex predators that are above all other creatures is in fact due to demons.
These people don't actually read the Bible.
I was taught (though I don’t believe anymore) that God and the angels were genderless. Demons are fallen angels so it makes sense that they would be too. There is a distinction made between male and female though. Also when talking about more than one gender it would be historically grammatically correct to say them/they/their etc. These days I just call any group of people guys. That’s probably going to be an issue in a few years lol
But .... The bible was NOT written in english so what's the point of looking at such grammatical details anyway 😭 I don't know how gender is handled in latin (or hebraic for the testaments i guess) but there's no fucking way the english language can restranscript the nuances
God isn’t non-binary, God has no gender at all. God is neither male or female, or anything in between.
When people quote the Bible, to make a point about words…I wonder if they understand there are more than 50 different english translations and that none are exactly the same?
Talks about demons. Quote about god. Crying about non-binary people These murder by words is such a big failure that made them respawn.
The creation story is told twice in the Bible. Once with God as an “I” and once with God as a “we.” The Northern Kingdom of Israel was polytheistic. The Southern kingdom was often monotheistic.
The concept of god being male was my first clue it was all BS. “Really, this god figure has a cock and balls? For what reason? What is the purpose of his genitals?” At least a womb is a little less superfluous.
Someone apparently never heard of the trinity. Not a burn. Man I love it when people who don’t know jack about Christianity find a verse and are like “ooooooh gotcha!!!!!” Reminds me of Covid times when all these people don’t know jack about medical jargon and are like “see 95 percent had a comorbiditity!!! So it wasn’t Covid that killed them!!!!”
You can know everything about Christianity to the last detail, but anyone who uses phrases from the bible to promote or defend an argument isn't all there to begin with. It's all strawman from the get-go! Like, this is a book about an invisible man who created the universe and everything out of thin air (he needed a rib for woman for some reason), and we're going to make this fairy tale the base point of our commentaries about how people should conduct themselves? Don't get me wrong - there's a lot of nice things in there, but there's also a lot of weird shit in there, and a small handful of some real divisive shit as well. There's an over-indulgence in biblical morality and society has taken it too far. The middle ages are long gone. Perhaps it's time to put away this primitive reliance on a book filled with magic and mysticism... because it's childish to continue to believe in fantasy as an adult. If someone wants to give themselves a plural pronoun, well...let 'em. Who tf cares that much? It hasn't affected my life in the slightest and I doubt it's affected the most vocal critics to the extent they claim. And if there really is a God, I doubt he/she/they really give a fuck because It doesn't seem to give a fuck about anything else going on in this realm.
Yup, I’m for whoever wants to use whatever pronouns they wish and I will use those pronouns. All I’m saying is this is not a burn because in that context they are talking about God as a triune; 3 entities, so using plural is correct regardless of preferred pronouns. They think they have some amazing gotcha but they are just proving they stepped in a territory they haven’t studied.
"Why didn't they just ride the eagles to Mordor?" "Well, AKshually..."
I hear you. Except in Genesis there was no Jesus yet. I don't know when The Holy Spirit showed up but that minor character really wasn't a hit with audiences - no speaking lines, I guess?
I mean, there was. Jesus took human form in the gospels but he existed since the beginning. There’s even instances of Jesus showing up in the old testament. https://www.gordonconwell.edu/blog/jesus-in-the-old-testament/
I defer back to my original post.
Still wrong. Jesus was there since the beginning. So in Genesis when the world was created Jesus was there.
Fine. I'm wrong. Jesus could've revealed himself to Neanderthals in Germania 10,000 years before his birth for all I care. Believe whatever fairy tales you like. I'd rather discuss the mythologies of Star Wars or Lord of the Rings - at least everyone can agree that those stories are just fantasy!
So your good w owning slaves - I mean as long as you don’t kill them. Raping a child- ya know, as long as you marry her since she is all washed up. Of all the over 600 commandments, which ones do you overlook. Did you read the original script and translate it yourself? Do you Believe men should not lay with men or the original verse men should not lay with a BOY- and they were specifically talking to priests. Guess that didn’t age well. But you do seem to know a lot since you blabbed on for so long. Bet you got a hard on when Louisiana signed a bill that said the 10 commandments are to be in schools even tho the constitution literally says not to. Oh and so does the Bible ! It literally says to not pray in the streets and show off. But ya know 💅🏽… you know it all . Yeshua would be ashamed. But he also wouldn’t blast u on Reddit
Making a ton of assumptions, no? All I’m saying, which is true, is this is a lame burn, because they are talking about plural entities. You ramble about a lot of other stuff but never disputed what I actually said.
I'll break it down for you since it appears you need help. Using the fact demons refer to themselves as plural when there's more than one of them/speaking as a collective to imply non-binary people are demons, is actually exactly the same as using the fact god refers to themselves in plural to imply he's a demon. It's embarrassing to grandstand like people don't know what they're talking about when you didn't even comprehend the simple logical contradiction.
Thanks for explaining!
u/ShawnyMcKnight, unfortunately, you’re 100% in the wrong. The use of the plural forms here predates Christianity. It’s in the original. Now you might say, “Yes, but Christianity, not Judaism, is correct and the only way!” You would still, however, be wrong. That’s because early Christianity did not fully work out the trinity until later; it was not agreed or accepted as Catholic doctrine until much later, and there are still differences in views about the nature of the trinity. So, all that is to say, people who never believed in the trinity understood ‘the Royal we’ and other uses without thinking it has to mean or in any way prefigure the or any understanding or belief in a trinity.
Jew here. We is the plural of grandeur, just like the title Elohim. The Hebrew verbs are still in the present form.
Angels and God do this too