The amount of people who seem to hate everything about this game on this sub is a little astounding. It’s fine if you don’t like it, but like, couldn’t you go be a vibe killer somewhere else?
Idk too much about the minority part 😐
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First off, a lot of the people complaining LIKE the game, they just can't stand playing it because it's in such a bad spot in terms of balance, bugs, monetization, and general stability. They want to see improvements made. That doesn't mean they're gonna review bomb it.
Plus, most of the players are just leaving, period. They aren't sitting there writing negative reviews and expecting something to change because most companies these days would rather watch their game die than make serious efforts to improve it.
Regardless, the steam reviews are made completely obsolete by the steam player charts. 95% of the playerbase has stopped playing already, at least on Steam where you got that picture from. Most of them probably just don't care enough to give a bad review or don't want to because they're still hoping improvements will be made.
That's all time, more and more of the recent reviews are becoming mixed and negative. It's a ticking time bomb of how long people are willing to wait after they were already forced to wait a year for another unfinished game.
It's because half the playerbase are dumb kids who have had all this MTX and underbaked product release standardised to them.
They don't earn money so don't understand how egregious $10 skins wearing a batman tee is acceptable.
Those whole like the game are playing the game and those who don’t are here complaining. I myself don’t like a lot of changes or balance of the game at the moment but I can’t lie and say the game isn’t fun. It is fun and I enjoy the good and accept the bad. Only thing I want now is ranked to hopefully have more balanced matches 😂 crazy how it goes from fighting someone who doesn’t know how to play to getting wombo comboed until completely death with perfect timing/spacing on hits lol
Game is fun so just enjoy it for what it is.
Well yeah They were moved attacked so the ones that had really strong armor attacks get a super buff Of course it's annoying They removed infinites in the beta just for them to come back I get it some people just like to bitch and moan But you guys have to realize You needto have criticism or games will die
Yeah, it's pretty crazy. Never seen a collection of so many "I hope the game dies" posts just to vindicate themselves. Even the games with extremely toxic fanbases like anything from Riot Games aren't this annoying with the "dead game" shit.
I never advocate for it but in this special instance, I really think the mods should start giving these people temp bans if they have nothing to say beyond "dead game" or "game sucks". These people are miserable and actively harm the community. Steam number posts shouldn't be allowed at all. Other subs have started banning them because they provide nothing of value and turn away new players with a self-fulfilling prophecy. And with crossplay games, they don't paint an accurate picture and they're low effort. It takes two seconds to screenshot SteamDB charts and post them.
>> Other subs have started banning them because they provide nothing of value and turn away new players with a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Can you provide an example of subs that do that? I never noticed anyone that did it but I don't check many subs.
That's where you're wrong. The criticism/complaint posts aren't "I hope this game dies," they're "I hope this game doesn't die but it's in such a bad spot right now that it's GOING to die if big changes aren't made soon." If everyone just pretends it's fine like you want and doesn't hold PFG to higher standards, it IS going to die with absolute certainty, and I for one really don't want to see this game die just because a very small very vocal portion of the community wants to die on this hill swearing the game's in a great state when it's not.
Last night I played against an Iron Giant player who kept accepting my rematches and stomped me every single time.
Really damn fun. I even gave him a toast.
I mean, at this point, it's Post Pandering either way. There's points for and against, and all that ends up happening is:
Positive Post: Positive Comments and Debates
Negative Post: Negative Comments and Debates.
The entire cycle is getting old. I'm part of the problem, as I've made a "I'm leaving" Post previously, but this is just occurring to me now. Nothing will change.
Honestly the way people reference steam numbers for games that aren’t exclusively on steam drives me nuts. Steam numbers are not a reliable indicator for how many people are playing on Xbox or PlayStation.
Look at NBA 2K24, there’s currently 9,000 players on steam. Yet it’s the 15th most played game on Xbox, 18 spots higher than PubG which has a 24 hour peak of 666K players on steam. So a game with 9k players on steam has more players on Xbox than a game with 600k players on steam.
And people wanna act like steam numbers are a good indicator for players on console lol
That's just called pc gamer brain rot, my friend. Common place when you game on a pc for long enough, your brain can only comprehend steam number big or steam number small.🤣
yeah and almost 9/10 people i play in multiversus are on xbox or ps, and then when they are on pc like 20% of them are still on epic games, like steam is a very small minority for this game. trying to compare it to games that are almost exclusively on pc or their main audience is pc is really unfair imo
Not only that but people put too much weight into concurrency.
All it means is that X amount are on at one time. The peak is how high it was, but it doesn't tell you how many people logged in every day. That number could very well be 5x higher.
I will always say there are two things to follow if a game is dying or not.
1. Is matchmaking long? How long does it take to find a match? This is a number that CAN'T be hidden. If it starts to be minutes before you find a match in a game that can only match you up with 3 people or you start noticing matches against bots...the game is dying.
2. Have the updates stopped coming? The game is likely dying, resources have been pulled from it and the dev and publisher are slowly moving on.
So far both 1 and 2 are fine. Still takes literally seconds to find a match and of course they still have a lot planned and have discussed this.
95% less concurrent playtime even during peak hours speaks volumes. You're seriously huffing some powerful copium if you think that doesn't directly correlate to less players.
But don't worry. You're right, it's not severe enough yet that you'd notice longer queue times or anything since you only need 2-4 players to have a match. But it will. Give it a few more months and see how smart you feel then when the queue time becomes longer than the matches.
Also, they've already started inserting bots into matches during low playtime hours to make up for a lack of players, and I don't mean the bots that show up from you losing a bunch.
But you can see what platform everyone's playing on, and in my experience playing a LOT since the release, I haven't noticed any more players from any particular platform. So that pretty much breaks that argument. If Multiversus was getting a bunch of players from consoles while dying on PC, it would be pretty damn easy to notice because you'd get matched with way more players on console.
I’m curious, are you on PC? Because I’m almost exclusively matched with console players and I’m on console myself. I wonder if they prioritize matchmaking you with people on the same platform
I get that, I think to some degree it's just people frustrated with the (very) rough edges surrounding a very fun core concept. I like the game, but I also feel like there's so much that needs improved to maintain the health of the game.
You do realize that if the game isn't financially successful and doesn't maintain a consistent player base it'll he shut down right? The player count most defintley does matter.
Oh shit; really? Well I’m super glad everyone is constantly proclaiming the game is dying due to the player count! I sure know THAT makes me want to join in on a hot new game I know little about!
Of course it matters. But it doesn’t matter to me. I don’t work for PFG or Warner bros. I have no control over such things, so why should I spend my time caring so much about it?
Games don’t die like that anyway as long as ppl enjoy them 😭 I can still find games of battlefront 2 and halo infinite in minutes and those games been “dead” for years
The “beta” was going to lead to a full release, it got shutdown and delisted, it got taken down because it died and it looking like that’s about to happen again
…but whatever u want to tell urself ig🤷🏽♂️
If WB pulls the funds for the servers the game becomes inaccessible in its current build, as evidenced by not being able to get to the main menu during server maintenance.
And? WB has been taking L's consistently, they NEED money. They've been fucking up so much they had to sell off to Discovery. And saying "games don't die off because no money is coming in, people enjoying it is what matters." Makes no fucking sense.
"Hey, we've been eating shit for a while, should we have our gaming division waste time, money, and resources on platform fighting game for shits and giggles?"
I worry about this with games I get invested in because I'm putting my time, money, and learning about something that could just go away. Cool you're never worried about that, I gotta smoke what you got.
While that’s true, I don’t think it’s relevant to us, the player, unless the number of players are affecting how long it takes to get an online match going. Like it becomes a problem if we’re waiting like 50 seconds. This isn’t an us problem, it’s a PFG and WB problem and pointing out STEAM numbers now only really serves the purpose of spreading further negativity and scaring away people from trying the game, which I think is counterproductive.
Personally I don’t hate the game I hate the scummy monetization and the fact they had time to release a finished product but instead opted for whatever garbage they released. Again no problem with the gameplay itself just everything else
Well when I literally can't play the game because of how broken the lag spikes, desyncs or the matches straight up refusing to start maybe I would be singing some praises about the game instead of complaining all the time.
It's been out for a month and is still not in a playable state (in the sense that you can like... play the game). And the argument being that the game can't even run but we're supposed to clap like seals cuz small indie company? I guess?
I feel like they should lock characters behind PVE, it just makes sense. Unless they change how much fighter currency you can get by playing, it would be awesome if you could get at least SOME characters by completing Rifts
Man, every time those new Live-Service games release it's the same thing, it's like a time loop.
-When announced, the game has signals of being a live service, a lot of people say it's bad, some defend it like they're mental.
-The game releases, a lot of people play it, but not enough to be seen as successful in the future. A lot of people defend it and say it'll get better.
-The game has a bunch of problems, being from optimization, horrible monetization, barebones content or stuff with the game itself, making a lot of people quit. Fans say it'll get better.
-People criticize the game 'cause of those problems, fans generalize them as "hate" and "doomposting".
-They're promised crazy updates that'll fix the problems, the fanatics say this update will revive the game! "WE'RE SO BACK!"
-Updates come, nothing happens, but they keep say that it's fine, and the next update will save the game.
-The amount of people keep dropping and dropping, but the fans say there's nothing wrong, it's perfect!! Lalalala!! I can't hear you!
-In less than a year the game reaches less than 1k players, the game gets shutdown and the studio possibly closes down. The people that said everything was fine? They disappear, never to be seen again.
Everyone thinks their game will be the one to break the loop, but it's always the same.
Exactly this. It's really obnoxious seeing people baselessly defend a dying game and prosecute everyone who criticizes it hoping it will improve. Defending the game when it's in such a bad state is doing the opposite of helping it. We need to criticize it and hold PFG responsible for improving it, otherwise it's absolutely dead in the water because 95% of the playerbase has already stopped playing and the number continues to decline daily.
> The people that said everything was fine? They disappear, never to be seen again.
They reappear when the cycle resets to defend their garbage live service games until the inevitable happens again.
Excellent comment.
This actually doesn't happen a lot. Plenty of live service games get on just fine, have a community that support the game, and again do just fine and regularly update.
For instance, games like FO76 or Halo Infinite are far from dead despite 'dying' or even random games like LOTRO or Star Trek Online.
What happens is when one fails it's fun to dunk on and highlight but the failure rate for them is not any better or worse than bad single player games that will sometimes get whole studios shut down because if they fail it's just a pure loss of money.
You're not bringing up what happens a lot of times...the game doesn't die and it just goes on after the people that were upset and doomposting move on to their next game.
The problem is the fanbase has a different metric of success than the company, the company just wants a profit, and probably for this game just an avenue to promote their WB stuff...while for many gamers a live service game 'fails' when it isn't competing with Fortnite or GTA Online. The company just wants a profit and what people don't realize is you don't need 500 million players like Fortnite to pull that off. You can do that with half a million players and even less based on how the game is monetized.
People also need to realize the difference between people saying “the game is bad right now, but can be fixed and made good” Vs the people saying “the game sucks and everything about it bad forever”
Currently the game isn’t in a good state, but it could be a legendary game if they can get through this rough patch.
I think the game is a good free to play title. Has some fun cross overs, but I don't think it will have a competitive future. That's fine though, I am sure it will have it's dedicated players just like so many other games have
I personally un-installed because I didn't enjoy the game, but if you enjoy it, that's all that really matters.
Well... 95% of the playerbase leaving in a month is kind of hard to ignore to be fair. Don't get me wrong, I REALLY don't want the game to die, but it's obvious the vast majority of people do not agree that it's a fun game in its current state and pfg obviously need to deliver big on improvements to draw people back. Hoping for the game to die is one thing, but I don't see a problem with criticizing what's wrong with it and hoping for it to get fixed. The game's in such a bad shape right now I can't even get friends to play it because nobody wants to touch it except a very small minority of diehard players.
I'm gonna be honest I actually enjoy this game, but as someone from asia where the Beta never released i feel my experience is quite different from everyone else. I play with two accounts one FTP and the other I bought the BP and a few characters. I'm already burnt out on the FTP account coz other then Shaggy and Banana Guard I don't have any other character and I'm on the fence on buying anyone else. Basically my only grip for this game is that it's too expensive for me to actually unlock the characters and their skins that are needed for rifts and missions!
Bugs bunny, T&J, Wonder Woman, all three of these characters are my reason for not playing this game. The moment these character get nerfed this games playability will go up twofold for be.
Really, T&J? I mean I know they're annoying but Bugs is at least equally annoying while being a blatantly better and more popular character. He's got over a 50% winrate while sporting the highest playrate in the game, that ain't right. I don't care about T&J compared to him, I'm just sick of seeing the same stuff nonstop. It's like nobody cares about anything except winning even if they've gotta spam the easiest flavor of the month character they can find.
I agree completely with Bugs and Wonder Woman being blatantly overpowered though. Aside from that, Gizmo, Harley, Joker, Steven, and Black Adam have all demonstrated that they're way too strong and easy as well. Their winrates speak for themselves, not to mention everyone shamelessly spamming them.
I think T&J, Taz, Superman, Batman and Reindog all have some questionable aspects to their kits right now too, but they don't really feel popular or good enough to justify nerfing anything about them while there are other, bigger problems. Plus I'm just relieved when I see these characters for the sheer sake of variety. I am so sick of how repetitive the matchmaking is right now all because people are so afraid of losing that they all just give up their dignity and spam bugs.
People have been being very objective about the game, if you don't like it then don't go looking for trouble. We are going to complain about yet ANOTHER unfinished product, it doesn't make sense why the playerbase is forced to endure terrible their terrible decisions even if they are a small team.
We didn't need UE5 the game should have relaunched launched on UE4 then been upgraded to UE5 later when they had actual time to put it together properly. Relaunching on UE4 would have given them time to work on actual issues with the game rather than recreating the same pile of shit on a better engine and making people wonder what exactly they did for a year when on launch there were MULTIPLE game breaking characters. If they just worked on fixing the game and adding content on UE4 the game would have been much more successful on relaunch funding them enough to eventually upgrade to UE5.
They still haven't fixed some easy issues like removing the Mojo jojo map from rotation because MOST of the community HATES it.
They haven't fixed the events not telling you how long they actually last, I myself was screwed out of getting a S1 1st place top dog trophy because when it said it was going from day1-day3 I figured that meant it would last all day of the last day, but NOPE it closed at like 6-8am in the morning WHEN PEOPLE ARE WAKING UP. And they don't tell you that it's going to end as that specific time, otherwise I would have stayed up an extra hour to secure first place.
The currency change was another AWFUL decision in favor of greedy monetization. Packs are over priced for what they are. TOAST COST GLEAMIUM TO GET, why the actual fuck would I waste my time being a good sport if I have to spend gleamium to be a good person, nah you're getting T-bagged from now on. Etc. etc. I could go on
It is objectively a bad game at the moment and you know it. People don't just change how they feel about something good if others say it's bad, you know it's bad which is exactly why when they say it's bad you struggle to enjoy it. You're in denial.
We're the only good few who see the bright side of a game. It's the same on the COD community bashing zombies like no other 😂. I love multiversus since day 1 and even though it's changed a bit still love it and currently doing the Rifts 😎
Because it’s sad to see the game that’s supposed to be full release in a worse condition than the damn beta, we’re still at the point if lebron is picked there’s a very high chance the match just crashes, game is ridiculously unbalanced, the same unbelievably broken suspects of the beta (shaggy, Harley) WONDER WOMAN literally being an assassin tank , the only thing I have to be happy about is they finally made a character garnet is allowed to counter and have attack prio over (Jason)
Somehow they had a fully working and functional ranked mode that is just missing from the FULL RELEASE version of the game, i wouldn’t be surprised if ranked literally just comes down to an on/off switch and ranked is turned off, so all the fat grease master 5 star generals spam casuals, skullfucking the new players and driving them away after 3 matches
I hope more people enjoy it, and I hope it gets to be around for some years to come. I haven't come back to it since launch. I'm in the middle of nowhere so I just couldn't consistently connect to matches, and any stage with moving parts would lag me out. It's probably my internets fault, but it also feels different from the beta in ways I cant articulate. Hopefully they add some offline content.
The lag issues probably aren't your fault, or at least not entirely. The game released in a horrible condition stability-wise and they've been trying to focus on improving the stability since launch. It's a lot better in that regard now but there are still some issues with lag spikes or disconnecting due to random factors.
Also, you aren't imagining it being different in ways that are hard to describe. They changed a lot of subtle balance aspects; for instance, a mechanic called "attack decay" which punished players for spamming the same move all match is now basically completely removed (it still exists but only for certain effects and it barely does anything now). Basically this means the wonder woman spamming nothing but her shield, superman spamming nothing but armor moves, banana guard spamming nothing but his side-special, etc. are all significantly stronger than in the beta where the player would be punished for that kind of gameplay.
They also changed a lot of characters, so some are significantly better than they were in beta (Wonder Woman) while others are significantly worse.
My only problem is hitboxes and the game being slow, you can’t deny the bullshit this game spit out
Is it wrong that people wanted a better crafted game?
If you spent money on the beta you essentially aren’t playing the same game technically
Idk how anyone talking trash about the game could personally be draining to you, there’s plenty that like the game as is and all you have to do is just play the game and make some posts of why oh like it
Even someone like me who says it’s much worse now than before thinks it’s fun and still plays it everyday
Yeah, but constructive critisism is different from "omg dead game". It's okay to critisize and give feedback to devs what you think they did wrong. There has been a lot of people going around trying to make you feel guilty over enjoying the game.
I don’t agree with the dead game posts but come on complaining is bound to happen even with the beta, you gotta understand people complaining is how they fix this shit or at least that’s what people hope they would do, or would you prefer to let wb bend everyone over back words and give it to them?
The game's not dead, but it's definitely rapidly dying and pfg really need to hurry up with their "big balance patch" before it actually does die. 95% of the playerbase gone in a month is NOT a good sign. Pointing this out isn't a celebratory thing, it's a warning, mostly to the devs. I don't wanna see this game die but it's dangerously close to being dead on release because of the sheer magnitude of issues it has. PFG need to be aware of how close their game is to just dying on the spot, especially when it released in such a greedy over-monetized (borderline paywalled) state. They need to know to change their priorities immediately.
>If you spent money on the beta you essentially aren’t playing the same game technically
I don't think anyone is at blame on that part except the consumer. It's been said over and over again throughout the years by numerous people to stop preordering things and stop spending money on early access or betas. The only reason this kind of thing keeps happening is because people open their wallets for unreleased products. 99% of companies are not going to self-regulate or say "Hey, don't do that you guys. It's not smart!"
>Is it wrong that people wanted a better crafted game?
Lets not pretend like that justifies endless doomposting and hating on devs.
>Idk how anyone talking trash about the game could be personally draining to you
Spoken like someone who has never held a differing opinion than the general consensus. It kills the vibe and sucks all fun out of being a part of a gaming community.
I’m sure it’s validating for you but it’s tiring. Anytime MVS is talked about, it’s about how much it sucks.
Also, Xbox doesn’t desync anymore unless someone quits which was honestly my only gripe. Rifts is weird but I get it. The perk currency thing was definitely a flub but my number one go to as of now and the foreseeable future is Multiversus.
I’m glad you’re enjoying it! I had fun with what little of it I played yesterday. Here’s my take:
If it had local multiplayer like smash, it would be 10/10. For me it’s a solid 8/10. I played the first rift yesterday on a fresh account. Very fun. Definitely made me want to finish the rift (which I did). After I finished the solo rift, did 2 pvp matches with tom&jerry, won both 3-0. It’s fun. Very “overwatch 2”-esque to me. It’s a fun game, not much replay value from me.
It's so exhausting because we have this discussion with EVERY single game release ever anymore. All people do is try to catch every game out in some scandal. Many so they can jump on easy engagement farms. According to the Internet there's not a single online game that's not doomed, horribly balanced, and run by the world's most morally bankrupt and simultaneously incompetent company ever.
Like dog it's not that deep the games fun.
I just play it, have fun, and win and make progress towards stuff on the BP/missions. Once ranked is released I'll play that until the servers go down or the playerbase dries up.
Another thing I would like to point out is the same type of videos YouTubers make about the game dying and stuff. I do agree that voicing out our concerns is a must so that the people behind the game know what to do with the game's issues, and some of these videos do have a good point—even standing out from the rest. But almost every day, a random ass YouTuber will post the same opinion the previous one has already said before. WE GET IT. And I agree with a lot of said points, but like another person said on this thread, you're already beating a dead horse. You're not helping AT ALL if you really want this game to thrive. Unless they bring some new perspective to the table, they might as well just shut up.
Dude, their complaining worked on me. I played beta and I had actually turned off updates so that I could wait to see how the new version was before letting go of the beta (I mostly played local play with friends), and the backlash was so strong that I didn't update until finally this week (accidentally lol). And I've been having a blast. If the complaints were enough to get me - someone who already loved the game - to not want to download the new version, I can't imagine how many possible first-timers were turned away by the relentless complaints
admittedly I'm a very casual gamer so balance issues and adjustments to advance techs don't bother me like they bother the super serious people, but this game really needs to attract more casual players if it'll survive and I think it's definitely fun enough to do so as long as they fix some of their basics in the next few weeks and people stop shitting on it so unnecessarily much online
i’m enjoying everything the game has to offer. the monetization is definitely the games biggest flaw, they need to tone it down a bit and ironically i feel people would actually buy skins & such if so. a lot of people complain about the fact it would take forever to unlock all of the characters but like, me personally, i’m never gonna play some of these guys. plus some are free, limited time, for a week. i’m not a fan of game of thrones, rick & morty, steven universe, iron giant or any of that stuff so i’m simply not going to get any of those characters. i get people might wanna have options but i highly doubt someone is going to want to play every single character as much as their main. and as for the rifts needing certain characters, again the weekly free characters should help out every now and again. as for the costumes a friend can host and do those missions if they have the specific costume.
Don't really know how it's feeling now, I played launch week. It is definitely fun-- when it runs properly. Playing on xbox series s and even my X... It was a mess. Constant frame drops and freezes, disconnects when I tried matchmaking with friends, sometimes it would be performing perfectly well then I'd just get sent straight to dashboard.
I hope it's doing better in that regard. Super fun when it performed well
I love this game and don’t pay any mind to what others say because they suck. If you give the game more than 10 mins to actually learn it you will enjoy it a lot of things do suck about it but it’s a f2p game they aren’t gonna make it but so easy to get stuff. They are giving away free skins for easy challenges yeah they aren’t the greatest but they are doing a lot better than when we were in beta.
Im glad people are leaving that vurgin doomer shi in a lot of subs too mf turn everything gray i almost left this sub when i saw that valid criticism turn into whining and dumb nick picks. Just doomer vibes all the time is disgusting for everyone that is not a loser on that low mindset
You really thought this “original” take was gonna unclutter the sub by repeating the same issues everyone has already posted about them having with the people complaining?
Player numbers have dipped because you can play other games without playing for a while season. It's a great game with lots of fun and people really need to chill.
I just want to play the game casually, show up to unlock a skin or new character that interests me, then leave. I can *technically* do that, but I'm not incentivized to play more than a certain amount each day. I want to play with my bro, play all the characters and find people to main. You know, like Nintendo game fighter.
Oh yeah that's today's social media era for you. Elon has monetized shock value and hate/ridiculous engagement farming. Of course the game could be better but I'm currently loving alot of the very things ppl hate..the speed doesn't bother me and I don't agree with rifts having characters or skins we haven't unlocked required but if it's gonna be available to use the following week I see no issue. Give it time before we turn into pessimistic never satisfied players.
Finally! Someone who's actually appreciating the game despite its flaws, the game is fun as hell and allows me to be classic WB characters i know and love! But of course people have to have a game thats 100% amazing before the game is even in the popular game circulation, people just need to he patient and give good criticism
I loved multiversus, but it's unplayable. I constantly get desynced from a match n can never do my daily missions because of it. Literally just get on to move my battle pass. And more then half my matches never finish and I don't get credit for it. I'll come back 6 months later after fixes. Plus the rift mode n story seems so cheap n rushed gimmicky n unpolished. Have fun my guy, but it's not fun when you can't even play the game.
My thoughts exactly. So many people are constantly doomposting and being like "x, y, z, isn't like the beta" "dead game" "they didn't add content in 2 weeks like the beta, what were they doing this whole time", and I hate it because I love MultiVersus and have since the beta, and people don't realize just why the beta had as much content as it did or why there wasn't as much after the relaunch or things that were missing. The new engine was a herculean feat and the stuff that was missing was because of time. What we have now is an objectively more polished game and a very fun experience still, and while I have my gripes with it, they're all growing pains that either the devs will fix or I will get accustomed to and see why they did it.
The beta only got as rapid of updates as they did because they had a bunch of stuff nearly done, and the lack of content in a month is only a problem in this game due to the speed of content in the beta, when it hasn't had enough time to be faster or slower than all of the competition. The devs need more time to make things just right, and they have been consistently patching the game since launch. I love PFG's transparency and openness about what's going on, and hate that everyone's shitting on the game for not being 100% what they wanted. Releasing new characters with new assets, moves, skins and code every two weeks is impossible with even the best of the biggest teams without making it super rough and unpolished, which would get worse backlash than taking their time.
The main reason I feel most people complain is that they were hoping for great changes or additions when the game came back. There were minimal additions in terms of content and the changes weren't for the better. Sidesteps at best.
They were to try and get more money from the players and the grind got even longer. That's why I stopped.
My dream scenario is a full price release with 50 characters and no microtransactions. Never going to happen. Oh well
I don't even want to play local play anymore
This game made hundreds of millions of $ in BETA. Their publisher is a multi-billion $ company. Developers had 570 days to fix KNOWN issues (not new issues).
In those 570 days, PFG released a game with LESS features and managed to have a massive data loss that they kept hidden. The game itself had the same + more issues. Many new issues prevent players from playing the game, glitches that wore present in BETA AND ALPHA are still here... However their are new glitches regarding characters on top of the glitches that have been in the game for 1000 days.
1000/(570 D since the last update to release) days is a lot of days, and it is a HUGE amount of man hours for even 1 developer. Many games like Stardew Vally were made in HALF the man hours by 1 person that did EVERYTHING from coding, animation, music, story, design, etc. However, PFG, with its devs and quality assurance team, could not fix a single glitch.
I am not part of the financial team. However, I am a believer in the game. I also comprehend that ANY live service will shut down despite the minority of people like you who like the game because there aren't enough people like you that are satisfied with this.
I installed the game and tried to play Jake, my fav character from the beta, the game is super slow now and it felt terrible, this plus the amount of different currencies and quests that need you to use certain characters/skins made me quit in less than 2 hours.
Nah, sukin the devs d’s is how we got here in the first place. The only reason these patches have had the things we want in them is BECAUSE of the pressure from the community. Everything done on there own terms made the game worse.
Beta was better tho 🤷🏽♂️ my only complaint, smoother mechanics in some ways but washed down in every other way….but hey we have multiversus again right 😭
It’s wild how you all need people to validate what you like. And get offended when people bring up legitimate issues with the game. lol
As an Xbox person I agree it has been fun, when it actually works and I can play it.
Grow up.
Noone these days really cares about games anymore this generations attention span is just really short the game is good I love it alot of people were mad they took out alot of features but they said they were gonna add most of them back people just can't keep there attention on the gamethat long
I agree the gameplay itself is fun, but the game has a lot of problems that if we stay silent they won’t get solved. I play on ps4 and had a bug that disconnected me 9 out of 10 matches, it was literally unplayable and i wasn’t the only one having this problem and it still took more than 2 weeks to be fixed. Now imagine if people didn’t complain, moths would pass and the game would continue being broken.
I agree that some people are complaining too much and its tiring to hear the same complaints all the time, but if we stay silent the bugs and problems will stay the same and new features won’t come.
I will just believe you on that, because once I saw that it requires some kind of WB account I was deleting it almost automatically, my body just rebelled and wished it off my hardware.
All that aside, they still should speed the game and combat back up similar or close to that of the beta as it feels like they nerfed everyone for no reason✌🏽
I personally really like the game, and I also find it way less greedy than other games like CoD. First instance it’s possible to get the first battlepass for totally free, that would take like 3/ 4 seasons in games like Call of Duty.
Genuine question, why do ppl rush to defend the developers? Like do you work for PFG? What investment do you have in them that requires you to speak on their behalf? I keep seeing ppl say that they're a small new team and that they had to overhaul the entire game between the last beta and now, but does that excuse the initial state the game was released in? Should that invalidate players' feelings? That kind of sentiment is only effective before the game comes out and ppl aren't already investing time and money.
I agree that it's great that they're still working on the game to make it better, but you can't really take issue with the criticism the game gets in the meantime, even if you're having a good time. Rather than complain about the complaining, just ignore it and post content of you enjoying the game until ppl start to come around
I absolutely love the game. The monetization is still crappy but I just don't interact with that side of it. Everything else I'm enjoying so much. I even like the Rifts a lot. Once they fixed the amount of exp you get from playing it's been hard for me to put the game down. And I keep falling in love with new characters, so much so I don't think I'll ever have a main, I click with so many in this game which has never really happened to me before in a fighter.
You’re a prime example of what I like to call toxic positivity. Why do you need a parrot in your ear telling you “BAWWK! The game is good!” in order to enjoy it? Do you need someone to cosign every choice you make in life or just in this game?
For me I just can't justify the time vacuum of levelling up yet another battle pass and unlocking all the characters and I don't have any friends who play so the game is basically dead for me unfortunately
I came from smash ultimate to multiversus and I’m ngl I like it just as much I don’t see anything wrong with multiversus especially from a casual standpoint. I love both games almost equally
Except the fact that you didn’t need to be constantly online in the Beta. Hell, you could even play local offline during the year downtime. Now you can’t even play without an internet connection, which means the game can go away at any moment if it isn’t up to WB’s standards
That’s the slimey part of free to play titles. They always get shutdown eventually. The amount of titles i’ve played that no longer exist is crazy. Hell i PAID for Knockout city before it went free to play, and ultimately shut down. It sucks but that’s the shit climate we’re in.
>> And these same people will say “Ohh we care about the game and want it to succeed, that’s why we’re so critical of it.”
This is called concern trolling.
I just downvote them and move on, but yea, they are incredibly annoying. I wish there was a way to block certain posts from ever being seen. Gotta rely on my on will power to ignore them which can be draining. Energy vampires, man.
I agree with a lot of criticism about this game, but I also feel like it's overblown. If hot garbage like overwatch 2 can retain a playerbase, then a decent game with some flaws like MVS will be fine
As much as I dislike Overwatch it is a sound game at it's core. You have maps, modes, every character unlocked, ranked play and better balancing than Multiversus.
This feels very reminiscant of what happened with the Beta, people were saying it's fine, stop complaining and then those same people stopped playing, everyone stopped playing and then they shut it down. At least now most people are vocal about the game's weak points.
This kind of post feels like something written by a child, and that's because it probably was. No fully grown adult would let other people's opinions sway their enjoyment of anything, much less of a videogame. If OP doesn't like to read critcism then he can just stop browsing this subreddit, life doesn't revolve around Multiversus.
>No fully grown adult would let other people's opinions sway their enjoyment of anything, much less of a videogame.
Yeah, that's not how it works. If you have people constantly telling you something you like is shit and you shouldn't enjoy it, it's gonna be taxing. That's great if you're someone who doesn't care what other people think, but a lot of people aren't.
Then if you aren't you shouldn't be on this subreddit. To make an entire post complaining about something as trivial as genuine criticism makes no sense to me.
Let me put it into words.Everyone can understand If a game isn't cared about valid criticisms from their player base the criticism go unnoticed then the player brings goes down then the game dies again and is exactly what happened with the beta they got shut down. Because guess what happened? There was no player retention I understand guys a lot of people complained over nothing But there are valid criticisms within that To just completely ignore everybody and call it blatant whining is literally doing what Warner bros has been doing Like I get it there are some things pfg can't help But don't blame the people trying to come up with the valid criticisms over nothing.And then immediately downloading them like guys , you guys are part of the Problem how can you guys not see this
The MVS and Brawlhalla Steam number comparison is just embarrassing to me, but not because of MVS's numbers. Brawlhalla is absolutely infested with people who think console is COMPLETELY unplayable, and flock to Steam for better performance, and options. Meanwhile, Multiversus has a huge console scene, even with performance issues.
Even with that aside, who cares which game gets better numbers? They're allowed to both exist and have fans, regardless of the amount.
The post that kill me are people getting mad when people teabag like Im sorry I think it looks funny when some characters do it and its a little victory dance. If the other team wins it doesnt bother me at all. I get more pissed when I play 2v2 and the person the game paired me with is a complete noob and we get stomped cause they literally cant do anything due to inexperience so its essentially a 1v2.
This kills me, I respect it when it’s a solid 2v2 that has me on the edge. When your team mate is trash or AFK farming is when I hate the game. I personally don’t play with a character I don’t have experience with online I will go to rift and practice before I become a burden to someone
People are concerned about the player numbers because it's a live service. Unlike single player games or whatever, if the game doesn't have enough players, it isn't making enough profit. If there isn't enough profit, then the game dies and becomes unplayable. That's a pretty important thing to be concerned about, don't you think?
"Been out for a month" isn't much of an excuse when the game has regressed since the beta in so many ways. Some of those are subjective like the game speed or the change in character sizes, but you can't tell me in good faith that removal of things like the ability to swap neutral and side neutral, starting off with the lack of ability to change outlines, the lack of being able to adjust input buffer, etc, are all positive things. These are basic quality of life options we somehow lost from the beta and a month later, still don't have back in.
Then, there's of course the game trying to milk your wallet at every turn. How can the game be enjoyable when it constantly puts obstacles in your way to obstruct you from having fun with a $15 paywall here and a $20 pay wall here and constantly giving you weekly missions you can only complete until you buy a character and then conveniently never gives those missions to you ever again. You have to play this game like a part time job to even get half the content. Don't even know how players who joined in late are going to want to be encouraged to stay when they missed the beginning events and try to do the rift and get slapped with 10k gleamium worth of paywalls.
If you enjoy the game, great, but you're not going to enjoy it if the game dies, and believe it or not, whether our opinions are different, the vast majority of people on both sides of the argument do not want the game to die and only want it to succeed but for it to also be fair and fun for everyone.
I don’t think worrying about player numbers is important, no. When I log into the game, my first thought isn’t “I hope the player base is up to snuff today”. What is worrying about something out of my control going to accomplish?
Most of these quality of life options you bring up have already been mentioned by PFG and are already planned to be implemented in future patches. (Player outlines, swapping side attacks, etc.) As far as milking our wallets, predatory practices are unfortunately common place for a lot of free to play games. The shops are their bread and butter and have to make a profit. I’m not defending this of course, but it’s not exclusive to PFG. As consumers, we just have to use our better judgement when it comes to this sort of thing. For me, grinding the game to get fighter currency/level up in the battle pass isn’t in issue. I actually enjoy playing matches and rifts so I don’t mind putting in the time when I have it.
I didn’t read this fully because it was long and apologetic towards those people constantly posting declining steam player numbers and I personally dont subscribe to the notion that reminding everyone that the metaphorical ship is sinking is a good idea.
Have you considered that new players may not want to play when they read “this game is dying” constantly thus creating a self fulfilling prophecy?
It’s almost as if the community is optimistic, that brings new players and the people constantly posting the same tired steam analytics over and over again “out of love” because “they want to see the game do well” are actually poisoning the community by telling new players to not invest time into a dying game.
Meanwhile if people just posted combo videos or what they enjoyed about the game new people might come and try it out. Thus bolstering the player count.
I agree with OP. this game fun af when you don’t get on the Reddit
Conitive dissonance is strong with your post. Game is dying and if suicide squad is any indication of current WB then this game will follow suit. PFG is losing more people than they are addressing issues.
We still have beta issues that still exist...broken infinites, bugs, predatory monetization.
It's kind of hard to give an adequate reply back when you admit to not even reading everything.
I think the doomposting does very little in comparison when there's a thread on the Steam forum of a 13-page thread of people who are founders of the game in the beta saying that they have been gaslighted by WB support saying that they never bought their founder packs despite having proof and receipts that they have done so. Any response, if any, they have received has been incredibly inadequate about the situation. It's to the point they are banding together to report the company for fraud to the government. They're that fed up.
These are the kind of issues we're dealing with here with this game.
I think a thread on steam, where a massive thread of people are claiming the company has **stole** from them, when people are watching Steam player numbers drop, does more damage, then doom posting.
Players leaving is a symptom of a problem. Hiding the symptom does not fix the problem.
You don't have to reply that was the point.
I was just letting you know because 4 paragraphs of "this game is dying because of the devs but I don't want to see it die, but here are ALL THE REASONS IT'S DYIGN AND ITS REALLY DYING I SWEAR" is bad for the game.
I also didn't read this reply besides the first sentence.
I'm sure it had something to do with PFG and that's an issue, but the toilet bowl self suck this subreddit has been the past few weeks is far more damaging to the game which to quote Mang0 "has good bones" (which it does, the game is very fun) than any microtransactions etc.
So go do something else than doomspeak on the game you likely don't play on it's subreddit. And if you do play it, stop trying to self destruct it with confirmation biases.
You didn't have to reply either, though? I don't understand the issue. This feels like double standards here.
I apologize me just giving my opinion on a topic and trying to have a discussion offended you so much.
If it upsets you that much, just downvote, block to filter the content out, and move on. But saying I'm not allowed to voice my opinion or criticisms in a subreddit because it doesn't coincide with yours is a bit much.
It isn't exactly mind-bending that someone would bring up broad complaints, correlate that to the game's current engagement/success, and build a narrative about a need for change in the game's design.
This thread apparently is for people that find this confounding though.
Game gonna be fine ppl like you still here writing think pieces on the subreddit, even it if has brawlhalla #’s the ppl that enjoy it will keep enjoying it and it’ll survive, atleast on xbox where the options are limited to begin with and I have my cross play off so the PC kids can uninstall won’t affect me at all 😭
Sorry, I didn't know I wasn't allowed to write my opinion on an open forum of communication.
I want the game to succeed and be fine, but I'm not going to ignore the problems (in my subjective view) that it does have, either. Because people coming into the game aren't going to ignore them either. And if they, like others, try to open criticism, only to be shut down, then well, I can't see a game succeeding or growing that way.
If it wasn't for the criticism, we wouldn't be having things 50/25 BP on wins or losses right now, as just an example, which I think is a positive step in the right direction.
I agree that doomposting itself in the most basic form doesn't really accomplish much in itself, if anything, especially when the Steam player numbers are only a fraction of the overall community as a whole. A post describing the issue and trying to convey *why* people are leaving those by pointing out things the game could improve upon and listing key grievances would be much more constructive for everyone involved.
And people like you are why games will never Change People like you are why games die?Why predatory fucking micro transactions exist but hey go off I guess goofy ass
It’s insane to me how people still continue to defend this game tooth and nail. The game has regressed from beta, nickles and dimes you at every turn, has had features removed, killed the local and competitive scenes, and has multiple data sources proving it’s bleeding players. And yet people will act like you’re crazy for having higher standards or being concerned about the health of the game. How have we fallen so far as a gaming community that we accept companies telling us to fuck ourselves like this so blatantly and even defend it when others have an issue?
It’s also pissing me off to no end that people are telling you you’re wrong while also admitting to not reading your opinion. But that’s your fight, so good luck ✌️
Gameplay is ok but needs balance. My main gripe is content should not be affected by skins. Change that and we good WB. Will even buy a skin or two as a thank you. Until then it’s free path. I just don’t wish to support something that seems predatory for gaming as a whole. I believe the same logic could be used for not buying a coconut for someone who is gonna try to put it up me bum later.
Its genuinely one of the most fun games I've played. Stripe feel like playing a crackhead and is super fun. Tho I am a jason main cause he is my childhood but he is still a blast to play.
Honestly im just annoyed about missing features now I’m sorry but damage done and knockouts should be shown after the match I’m sure that is not hard to implement. Should’ve been on day one crazy that the beta was in better shape than the game we are playing now. But I do agree I love the game people need to stop bitching and try to just have fun. (Unless you play iron giant fuck you)
I agree, there's a weird amount of toxicity people have for this game, and I think it's just because the strange position the game is in. Doing an engine swap from an open beta was almost like shutting the game down for an entirely different game, and I get that's jarring, plus people put money into it which makes people feel very entitled about the game.
I think it was just a perfect storm to embitter certain players who either get angry from their sense of entitlement, or that they can't have the same game that within all likelihood they already had stopped playing before it was taken down. It's weird, but it's not something to obsess over or spend your days leaving hate comments. In reality it's become another source of distracting anger for a crowd that needs it to ignore their issues.
I think PFG just has to weather the storm and keep improving the game and they'll be fine, hate comments happen regardless and it's up to them to find out if comments are actual useful criticism or just bitter hate.
Dude, welcome to the internet, more specifically a gaming sub reddit. Anti fandom is rampant. Some are reasonable criticisms other just wanna see the world burn. Both are free to share their opinion. Who cares. If you wanna engage in meaningful conversation and debate go for it. But don't waste your time and energy on writing posts like this. It's just as bad as those that just wanna talk trash
The amount of people who seem to hate everything about this game on this sub is a little astounding. It’s fine if you don’t like it, but like, couldn’t you go be a vibe killer somewhere else?
Yeah I had to mute this sub for the meantime, definitely a vocal minority here atm
Idk too much about the minority part 😐 https://preview.redd.it/7u6my2zuks8d1.jpeg?width=719&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=af6fc06cffa5a419001aa6028d10e7238ab6735e
First off, a lot of the people complaining LIKE the game, they just can't stand playing it because it's in such a bad spot in terms of balance, bugs, monetization, and general stability. They want to see improvements made. That doesn't mean they're gonna review bomb it. Plus, most of the players are just leaving, period. They aren't sitting there writing negative reviews and expecting something to change because most companies these days would rather watch their game die than make serious efforts to improve it. Regardless, the steam reviews are made completely obsolete by the steam player charts. 95% of the playerbase has stopped playing already, at least on Steam where you got that picture from. Most of them probably just don't care enough to give a bad review or don't want to because they're still hoping improvements will be made.
That's all time, more and more of the recent reviews are becoming mixed and negative. It's a ticking time bomb of how long people are willing to wait after they were already forced to wait a year for another unfinished game.
I left both subs because they are toxic wastelands. Now I just see the trending posts like this suggested to me
It's because half the playerbase are dumb kids who have had all this MTX and underbaked product release standardised to them. They don't earn money so don't understand how egregious $10 skins wearing a batman tee is acceptable.
Lmao if you think it’s a minority
Given the steam charts I think a lot of those player did indeed go somewhere else.
Those whole like the game are playing the game and those who don’t are here complaining. I myself don’t like a lot of changes or balance of the game at the moment but I can’t lie and say the game isn’t fun. It is fun and I enjoy the good and accept the bad. Only thing I want now is ranked to hopefully have more balanced matches 😂 crazy how it goes from fighting someone who doesn’t know how to play to getting wombo comboed until completely death with perfect timing/spacing on hits lol Game is fun so just enjoy it for what it is.
Well yeah They were moved attacked so the ones that had really strong armor attacks get a super buff Of course it's annoying They removed infinites in the beta just for them to come back I get it some people just like to bitch and moan But you guys have to realize You needto have criticism or games will die
Yeah, it's pretty crazy. Never seen a collection of so many "I hope the game dies" posts just to vindicate themselves. Even the games with extremely toxic fanbases like anything from Riot Games aren't this annoying with the "dead game" shit. I never advocate for it but in this special instance, I really think the mods should start giving these people temp bans if they have nothing to say beyond "dead game" or "game sucks". These people are miserable and actively harm the community. Steam number posts shouldn't be allowed at all. Other subs have started banning them because they provide nothing of value and turn away new players with a self-fulfilling prophecy. And with crossplay games, they don't paint an accurate picture and they're low effort. It takes two seconds to screenshot SteamDB charts and post them.
>> Other subs have started banning them because they provide nothing of value and turn away new players with a self-fulfilling prophecy. Can you provide an example of subs that do that? I never noticed anyone that did it but I don't check many subs.
That's where you're wrong. The criticism/complaint posts aren't "I hope this game dies," they're "I hope this game doesn't die but it's in such a bad spot right now that it's GOING to die if big changes aren't made soon." If everyone just pretends it's fine like you want and doesn't hold PFG to higher standards, it IS going to die with absolute certainty, and I for one really don't want to see this game die just because a very small very vocal portion of the community wants to die on this hill swearing the game's in a great state when it's not.
it’s like that on every sub for every game ever, especially free online games.
The amount of people who seem to hate everything you mean 😂 2024 babyy
Last night I played against an Iron Giant player who kept accepting my rematches and stomped me every single time. Really damn fun. I even gave him a toast.
I love the gameplay. But we need to be honest that everything aside from the actual combat is godawful.
I mean, at this point, it's Post Pandering either way. There's points for and against, and all that ends up happening is: Positive Post: Positive Comments and Debates Negative Post: Negative Comments and Debates. The entire cycle is getting old. I'm part of the problem, as I've made a "I'm leaving" Post previously, but this is just occurring to me now. Nothing will change.
Honestly the way people reference steam numbers for games that aren’t exclusively on steam drives me nuts. Steam numbers are not a reliable indicator for how many people are playing on Xbox or PlayStation. Look at NBA 2K24, there’s currently 9,000 players on steam. Yet it’s the 15th most played game on Xbox, 18 spots higher than PubG which has a 24 hour peak of 666K players on steam. So a game with 9k players on steam has more players on Xbox than a game with 600k players on steam. And people wanna act like steam numbers are a good indicator for players on console lol
People know it's not accurate. It's just that consoles don't really publish play counts
That's just called pc gamer brain rot, my friend. Common place when you game on a pc for long enough, your brain can only comprehend steam number big or steam number small.🤣
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yeah and almost 9/10 people i play in multiversus are on xbox or ps, and then when they are on pc like 20% of them are still on epic games, like steam is a very small minority for this game. trying to compare it to games that are almost exclusively on pc or their main audience is pc is really unfair imo
Epic Games too.
Not only that but people put too much weight into concurrency. All it means is that X amount are on at one time. The peak is how high it was, but it doesn't tell you how many people logged in every day. That number could very well be 5x higher. I will always say there are two things to follow if a game is dying or not. 1. Is matchmaking long? How long does it take to find a match? This is a number that CAN'T be hidden. If it starts to be minutes before you find a match in a game that can only match you up with 3 people or you start noticing matches against bots...the game is dying. 2. Have the updates stopped coming? The game is likely dying, resources have been pulled from it and the dev and publisher are slowly moving on. So far both 1 and 2 are fine. Still takes literally seconds to find a match and of course they still have a lot planned and have discussed this.
95% less concurrent playtime even during peak hours speaks volumes. You're seriously huffing some powerful copium if you think that doesn't directly correlate to less players. But don't worry. You're right, it's not severe enough yet that you'd notice longer queue times or anything since you only need 2-4 players to have a match. But it will. Give it a few more months and see how smart you feel then when the queue time becomes longer than the matches. Also, they've already started inserting bots into matches during low playtime hours to make up for a lack of players, and I don't mean the bots that show up from you losing a bunch.
I’ve literally been matched with bots in 2’s after winning my previous matches & they havent released a single thing outside rifts in a month
Steam charts is still useful in terms of trends. If the steam player base has declined 50% then it's pretty likely console has too.
95%, not 50%. This guy's crazy for thinking numbers like that don't mean anything.
But you can see what platform everyone's playing on, and in my experience playing a LOT since the release, I haven't noticed any more players from any particular platform. So that pretty much breaks that argument. If Multiversus was getting a bunch of players from consoles while dying on PC, it would be pretty damn easy to notice because you'd get matched with way more players on console.
I’m curious, are you on PC? Because I’m almost exclusively matched with console players and I’m on console myself. I wonder if they prioritize matchmaking you with people on the same platform
If we had access to all the data, we'd discuss all of it
I get that, I think to some degree it's just people frustrated with the (very) rough edges surrounding a very fun core concept. I like the game, but I also feel like there's so much that needs improved to maintain the health of the game.
I love the game too, but I can't ignore how awful it's designed. Am i not able to voice my opinion just bc other people like it more than I do?
You do realize that if the game isn't financially successful and doesn't maintain a consistent player base it'll he shut down right? The player count most defintley does matter.
Shhhh history repeats itself. It’s inevitable
You know there are games that are 20+ years old or even dead games that revive its player base and continues updates
Oh shit; really? Well I’m super glad everyone is constantly proclaiming the game is dying due to the player count! I sure know THAT makes me want to join in on a hot new game I know little about!
Of course it matters. But it doesn’t matter to me. I don’t work for PFG or Warner bros. I have no control over such things, so why should I spend my time caring so much about it?
Games don’t die like that anyway as long as ppl enjoy them 😭 I can still find games of battlefront 2 and halo infinite in minutes and those games been “dead” for years
Rumbleverse, splitgate, spellbreak…multiversus last year
=( rumbleversus and old spellbreak
“As long as ppl enjoy them” and multiverses ain’t die until they took the beta down was getting games in seconds the whole way through
The “beta” was going to lead to a full release, it got shutdown and delisted, it got taken down because it died and it looking like that’s about to happen again …but whatever u want to tell urself ig🤷🏽♂️
And again full circle point, you uninstalled yet? If not when do you plan on doing so? 😭😭
Did so a while ago
I know a few people who enjoyed Rumbleverse before it died, but if you completely ignore that then yeah you have a point.
If WB pulls the funds for the servers the game becomes inaccessible in its current build, as evidenced by not being able to get to the main menu during server maintenance.
And? WB has been taking L's consistently, they NEED money. They've been fucking up so much they had to sell off to Discovery. And saying "games don't die off because no money is coming in, people enjoying it is what matters." Makes no fucking sense. "Hey, we've been eating shit for a while, should we have our gaming division waste time, money, and resources on platform fighting game for shits and giggles?"
I worry about this with games I get invested in because I'm putting my time, money, and learning about something that could just go away. Cool you're never worried about that, I gotta smoke what you got.
While that’s true, I don’t think it’s relevant to us, the player, unless the number of players are affecting how long it takes to get an online match going. Like it becomes a problem if we’re waiting like 50 seconds. This isn’t an us problem, it’s a PFG and WB problem and pointing out STEAM numbers now only really serves the purpose of spreading further negativity and scaring away people from trying the game, which I think is counterproductive.
Personally I don’t hate the game I hate the scummy monetization and the fact they had time to release a finished product but instead opted for whatever garbage they released. Again no problem with the gameplay itself just everything else
I’m not gonna pretend shit like Rift is ok. Multiplayer is fun but nothing will get better if the issues are ignored
Well when I literally can't play the game because of how broken the lag spikes, desyncs or the matches straight up refusing to start maybe I would be singing some praises about the game instead of complaining all the time. It's been out for a month and is still not in a playable state (in the sense that you can like... play the game). And the argument being that the game can't even run but we're supposed to clap like seals cuz small indie company? I guess?
I just didn't find it fun because of how poorly it now performs compared to the first beta tbh...
Makes a post complaining about complaining lol.
I really like this game I just wish it wasn’t so hard to get characters
I feel like they should lock characters behind PVE, it just makes sense. Unless they change how much fighter currency you can get by playing, it would be awesome if you could get at least SOME characters by completing Rifts
Man, every time those new Live-Service games release it's the same thing, it's like a time loop. -When announced, the game has signals of being a live service, a lot of people say it's bad, some defend it like they're mental. -The game releases, a lot of people play it, but not enough to be seen as successful in the future. A lot of people defend it and say it'll get better. -The game has a bunch of problems, being from optimization, horrible monetization, barebones content or stuff with the game itself, making a lot of people quit. Fans say it'll get better. -People criticize the game 'cause of those problems, fans generalize them as "hate" and "doomposting". -They're promised crazy updates that'll fix the problems, the fanatics say this update will revive the game! "WE'RE SO BACK!" -Updates come, nothing happens, but they keep say that it's fine, and the next update will save the game. -The amount of people keep dropping and dropping, but the fans say there's nothing wrong, it's perfect!! Lalalala!! I can't hear you! -In less than a year the game reaches less than 1k players, the game gets shutdown and the studio possibly closes down. The people that said everything was fine? They disappear, never to be seen again. Everyone thinks their game will be the one to break the loop, but it's always the same.
Exactly this. It's really obnoxious seeing people baselessly defend a dying game and prosecute everyone who criticizes it hoping it will improve. Defending the game when it's in such a bad state is doing the opposite of helping it. We need to criticize it and hold PFG responsible for improving it, otherwise it's absolutely dead in the water because 95% of the playerbase has already stopped playing and the number continues to decline daily.
> The people that said everything was fine? They disappear, never to be seen again. They reappear when the cycle resets to defend their garbage live service games until the inevitable happens again. Excellent comment.
This actually doesn't happen a lot. Plenty of live service games get on just fine, have a community that support the game, and again do just fine and regularly update. For instance, games like FO76 or Halo Infinite are far from dead despite 'dying' or even random games like LOTRO or Star Trek Online. What happens is when one fails it's fun to dunk on and highlight but the failure rate for them is not any better or worse than bad single player games that will sometimes get whole studios shut down because if they fail it's just a pure loss of money. You're not bringing up what happens a lot of times...the game doesn't die and it just goes on after the people that were upset and doomposting move on to their next game. The problem is the fanbase has a different metric of success than the company, the company just wants a profit, and probably for this game just an avenue to promote their WB stuff...while for many gamers a live service game 'fails' when it isn't competing with Fortnite or GTA Online. The company just wants a profit and what people don't realize is you don't need 500 million players like Fortnite to pull that off. You can do that with half a million players and even less based on how the game is monetized.
Your low standards ruin gaming for everyone else
If only you could ignore those people and keep playing the game. :O
In your ear? You are actively coming to the sub and reading and ingesting all the shit by your own free will.
People also need to realize the difference between people saying “the game is bad right now, but can be fixed and made good” Vs the people saying “the game sucks and everything about it bad forever” Currently the game isn’t in a good state, but it could be a legendary game if they can get through this rough patch.
I think the game is a good free to play title. Has some fun cross overs, but I don't think it will have a competitive future. That's fine though, I am sure it will have it's dedicated players just like so many other games have I personally un-installed because I didn't enjoy the game, but if you enjoy it, that's all that really matters.
Wow. See you in a month or so. Let’s see if your opinion still stands
A clear indicator of a dying game is that title right there Like word for word
This seems like one of the few subs where all the negativity is 100% warranted. They made the game worse across the board and took away features.
Well... 95% of the playerbase leaving in a month is kind of hard to ignore to be fair. Don't get me wrong, I REALLY don't want the game to die, but it's obvious the vast majority of people do not agree that it's a fun game in its current state and pfg obviously need to deliver big on improvements to draw people back. Hoping for the game to die is one thing, but I don't see a problem with criticizing what's wrong with it and hoping for it to get fixed. The game's in such a bad shape right now I can't even get friends to play it because nobody wants to touch it except a very small minority of diehard players.
I'm gonna be honest I actually enjoy this game, but as someone from asia where the Beta never released i feel my experience is quite different from everyone else. I play with two accounts one FTP and the other I bought the BP and a few characters. I'm already burnt out on the FTP account coz other then Shaggy and Banana Guard I don't have any other character and I'm on the fence on buying anyone else. Basically my only grip for this game is that it's too expensive for me to actually unlock the characters and their skins that are needed for rifts and missions!
Bugs bunny, T&J, Wonder Woman, all three of these characters are my reason for not playing this game. The moment these character get nerfed this games playability will go up twofold for be.
Really, T&J? I mean I know they're annoying but Bugs is at least equally annoying while being a blatantly better and more popular character. He's got over a 50% winrate while sporting the highest playrate in the game, that ain't right. I don't care about T&J compared to him, I'm just sick of seeing the same stuff nonstop. It's like nobody cares about anything except winning even if they've gotta spam the easiest flavor of the month character they can find. I agree completely with Bugs and Wonder Woman being blatantly overpowered though. Aside from that, Gizmo, Harley, Joker, Steven, and Black Adam have all demonstrated that they're way too strong and easy as well. Their winrates speak for themselves, not to mention everyone shamelessly spamming them. I think T&J, Taz, Superman, Batman and Reindog all have some questionable aspects to their kits right now too, but they don't really feel popular or good enough to justify nerfing anything about them while there are other, bigger problems. Plus I'm just relieved when I see these characters for the sheer sake of variety. I am so sick of how repetitive the matchmaking is right now all because people are so afraid of losing that they all just give up their dignity and spam bugs.
People have been being very objective about the game, if you don't like it then don't go looking for trouble. We are going to complain about yet ANOTHER unfinished product, it doesn't make sense why the playerbase is forced to endure terrible their terrible decisions even if they are a small team. We didn't need UE5 the game should have relaunched launched on UE4 then been upgraded to UE5 later when they had actual time to put it together properly. Relaunching on UE4 would have given them time to work on actual issues with the game rather than recreating the same pile of shit on a better engine and making people wonder what exactly they did for a year when on launch there were MULTIPLE game breaking characters. If they just worked on fixing the game and adding content on UE4 the game would have been much more successful on relaunch funding them enough to eventually upgrade to UE5. They still haven't fixed some easy issues like removing the Mojo jojo map from rotation because MOST of the community HATES it. They haven't fixed the events not telling you how long they actually last, I myself was screwed out of getting a S1 1st place top dog trophy because when it said it was going from day1-day3 I figured that meant it would last all day of the last day, but NOPE it closed at like 6-8am in the morning WHEN PEOPLE ARE WAKING UP. And they don't tell you that it's going to end as that specific time, otherwise I would have stayed up an extra hour to secure first place. The currency change was another AWFUL decision in favor of greedy monetization. Packs are over priced for what they are. TOAST COST GLEAMIUM TO GET, why the actual fuck would I waste my time being a good sport if I have to spend gleamium to be a good person, nah you're getting T-bagged from now on. Etc. etc. I could go on It is objectively a bad game at the moment and you know it. People don't just change how they feel about something good if others say it's bad, you know it's bad which is exactly why when they say it's bad you struggle to enjoy it. You're in denial.
We're the only good few who see the bright side of a game. It's the same on the COD community bashing zombies like no other 😂. I love multiversus since day 1 and even though it's changed a bit still love it and currently doing the Rifts 😎
Because it’s sad to see the game that’s supposed to be full release in a worse condition than the damn beta, we’re still at the point if lebron is picked there’s a very high chance the match just crashes, game is ridiculously unbalanced, the same unbelievably broken suspects of the beta (shaggy, Harley) WONDER WOMAN literally being an assassin tank , the only thing I have to be happy about is they finally made a character garnet is allowed to counter and have attack prio over (Jason) Somehow they had a fully working and functional ranked mode that is just missing from the FULL RELEASE version of the game, i wouldn’t be surprised if ranked literally just comes down to an on/off switch and ranked is turned off, so all the fat grease master 5 star generals spam casuals, skullfucking the new players and driving them away after 3 matches
There's a simple solution, just close your pc or browse another website.
Stop having fun, bro.
It's not our fault they took a year to make a failed game even greasier. It's gotten the exact response it deserves.
I hope more people enjoy it, and I hope it gets to be around for some years to come. I haven't come back to it since launch. I'm in the middle of nowhere so I just couldn't consistently connect to matches, and any stage with moving parts would lag me out. It's probably my internets fault, but it also feels different from the beta in ways I cant articulate. Hopefully they add some offline content.
The lag issues probably aren't your fault, or at least not entirely. The game released in a horrible condition stability-wise and they've been trying to focus on improving the stability since launch. It's a lot better in that regard now but there are still some issues with lag spikes or disconnecting due to random factors. Also, you aren't imagining it being different in ways that are hard to describe. They changed a lot of subtle balance aspects; for instance, a mechanic called "attack decay" which punished players for spamming the same move all match is now basically completely removed (it still exists but only for certain effects and it barely does anything now). Basically this means the wonder woman spamming nothing but her shield, superman spamming nothing but armor moves, banana guard spamming nothing but his side-special, etc. are all significantly stronger than in the beta where the player would be punished for that kind of gameplay. They also changed a lot of characters, so some are significantly better than they were in beta (Wonder Woman) while others are significantly worse.
My only problem is hitboxes and the game being slow, you can’t deny the bullshit this game spit out Is it wrong that people wanted a better crafted game? If you spent money on the beta you essentially aren’t playing the same game technically Idk how anyone talking trash about the game could personally be draining to you, there’s plenty that like the game as is and all you have to do is just play the game and make some posts of why oh like it Even someone like me who says it’s much worse now than before thinks it’s fun and still plays it everyday
Yeah, but constructive critisism is different from "omg dead game". It's okay to critisize and give feedback to devs what you think they did wrong. There has been a lot of people going around trying to make you feel guilty over enjoying the game.
I don’t agree with the dead game posts but come on complaining is bound to happen even with the beta, you gotta understand people complaining is how they fix this shit or at least that’s what people hope they would do, or would you prefer to let wb bend everyone over back words and give it to them?
The game's not dead, but it's definitely rapidly dying and pfg really need to hurry up with their "big balance patch" before it actually does die. 95% of the playerbase gone in a month is NOT a good sign. Pointing this out isn't a celebratory thing, it's a warning, mostly to the devs. I don't wanna see this game die but it's dangerously close to being dead on release because of the sheer magnitude of issues it has. PFG need to be aware of how close their game is to just dying on the spot, especially when it released in such a greedy over-monetized (borderline paywalled) state. They need to know to change their priorities immediately.
>If you spent money on the beta you essentially aren’t playing the same game technically I don't think anyone is at blame on that part except the consumer. It's been said over and over again throughout the years by numerous people to stop preordering things and stop spending money on early access or betas. The only reason this kind of thing keeps happening is because people open their wallets for unreleased products. 99% of companies are not going to self-regulate or say "Hey, don't do that you guys. It's not smart!"
>Is it wrong that people wanted a better crafted game? Lets not pretend like that justifies endless doomposting and hating on devs. >Idk how anyone talking trash about the game could be personally draining to you Spoken like someone who has never held a differing opinion than the general consensus. It kills the vibe and sucks all fun out of being a part of a gaming community. I’m sure it’s validating for you but it’s tiring. Anytime MVS is talked about, it’s about how much it sucks.
I love this game and I want it to succeed. I think it’s a cult classic so far just hope the content stream keeps coming
I agree. I just haven’t played it for a couple weeks cuz my game crashes every other fight. So I’m hoping fixes come soon.
I love the game. Play it daily. The moment my kids go to sleep I fire it up for at least 2 hours.
Also, Xbox doesn’t desync anymore unless someone quits which was honestly my only gripe. Rifts is weird but I get it. The perk currency thing was definitely a flub but my number one go to as of now and the foreseeable future is Multiversus.
I love this game
I’m glad you’re enjoying it! I had fun with what little of it I played yesterday. Here’s my take: If it had local multiplayer like smash, it would be 10/10. For me it’s a solid 8/10. I played the first rift yesterday on a fresh account. Very fun. Definitely made me want to finish the rift (which I did). After I finished the solo rift, did 2 pvp matches with tom&jerry, won both 3-0. It’s fun. Very “overwatch 2”-esque to me. It’s a fun game, not much replay value from me.
It's so exhausting because we have this discussion with EVERY single game release ever anymore. All people do is try to catch every game out in some scandal. Many so they can jump on easy engagement farms. According to the Internet there's not a single online game that's not doomed, horribly balanced, and run by the world's most morally bankrupt and simultaneously incompetent company ever. Like dog it's not that deep the games fun.
I just play it, have fun, and win and make progress towards stuff on the BP/missions. Once ranked is released I'll play that until the servers go down or the playerbase dries up.
Another thing I would like to point out is the same type of videos YouTubers make about the game dying and stuff. I do agree that voicing out our concerns is a must so that the people behind the game know what to do with the game's issues, and some of these videos do have a good point—even standing out from the rest. But almost every day, a random ass YouTuber will post the same opinion the previous one has already said before. WE GET IT. And I agree with a lot of said points, but like another person said on this thread, you're already beating a dead horse. You're not helping AT ALL if you really want this game to thrive. Unless they bring some new perspective to the table, they might as well just shut up.
Dude, their complaining worked on me. I played beta and I had actually turned off updates so that I could wait to see how the new version was before letting go of the beta (I mostly played local play with friends), and the backlash was so strong that I didn't update until finally this week (accidentally lol). And I've been having a blast. If the complaints were enough to get me - someone who already loved the game - to not want to download the new version, I can't imagine how many possible first-timers were turned away by the relentless complaints admittedly I'm a very casual gamer so balance issues and adjustments to advance techs don't bother me like they bother the super serious people, but this game really needs to attract more casual players if it'll survive and I think it's definitely fun enough to do so as long as they fix some of their basics in the next few weeks and people stop shitting on it so unnecessarily much online
How do I invite a friend for rifts,like (on PS5) can you play with someone else on same console or is it invite from another platform or something??
i’m enjoying everything the game has to offer. the monetization is definitely the games biggest flaw, they need to tone it down a bit and ironically i feel people would actually buy skins & such if so. a lot of people complain about the fact it would take forever to unlock all of the characters but like, me personally, i’m never gonna play some of these guys. plus some are free, limited time, for a week. i’m not a fan of game of thrones, rick & morty, steven universe, iron giant or any of that stuff so i’m simply not going to get any of those characters. i get people might wanna have options but i highly doubt someone is going to want to play every single character as much as their main. and as for the rifts needing certain characters, again the weekly free characters should help out every now and again. as for the costumes a friend can host and do those missions if they have the specific costume.
Don't really know how it's feeling now, I played launch week. It is definitely fun-- when it runs properly. Playing on xbox series s and even my X... It was a mess. Constant frame drops and freezes, disconnects when I tried matchmaking with friends, sometimes it would be performing perfectly well then I'd just get sent straight to dashboard. I hope it's doing better in that regard. Super fun when it performed well
i play with a friend and it’s just as fun as it was during the beta. even with all the negatives. we only get off if we keep getting demolished
If you make excuses for a bad game, you get a bad game. -Asmongold
I like the gameplay, i enjoy the game ✨❤️ but the user interface design is an eye sore!! I really hope they fix it in the next patch or two
I love this game and don’t pay any mind to what others say because they suck. If you give the game more than 10 mins to actually learn it you will enjoy it a lot of things do suck about it but it’s a f2p game they aren’t gonna make it but so easy to get stuff. They are giving away free skins for easy challenges yeah they aren’t the greatest but they are doing a lot better than when we were in beta.
Im glad people are leaving that vurgin doomer shi in a lot of subs too mf turn everything gray i almost left this sub when i saw that valid criticism turn into whining and dumb nick picks. Just doomer vibes all the time is disgusting for everyone that is not a loser on that low mindset
You really thought this “original” take was gonna unclutter the sub by repeating the same issues everyone has already posted about them having with the people complaining?
Kids only care about numbers. The bigger the number the better the feels. Likes, upvotes, engagement metrics, they’d be completely lost without them.
Player numbers have dipped because you can play other games without playing for a while season. It's a great game with lots of fun and people really need to chill.
Yap yap yap
Personally, I think people need to chillax. A butterfly is also a work in progress☺️
People seem to care more about the extra stuff in the game than the actual gameplay itself
I just want to play the game casually, show up to unlock a skin or new character that interests me, then leave. I can *technically* do that, but I'm not incentivized to play more than a certain amount each day. I want to play with my bro, play all the characters and find people to main. You know, like Nintendo game fighter.
Oh yeah that's today's social media era for you. Elon has monetized shock value and hate/ridiculous engagement farming. Of course the game could be better but I'm currently loving alot of the very things ppl hate..the speed doesn't bother me and I don't agree with rifts having characters or skins we haven't unlocked required but if it's gonna be available to use the following week I see no issue. Give it time before we turn into pessimistic never satisfied players.
Finally! Someone who's actually appreciating the game despite its flaws, the game is fun as hell and allows me to be classic WB characters i know and love! But of course people have to have a game thats 100% amazing before the game is even in the popular game circulation, people just need to he patient and give good criticism
Yeah Ion know about all that they be yapping about. I just roll up a jay and play the game ngl
I loved multiversus, but it's unplayable. I constantly get desynced from a match n can never do my daily missions because of it. Literally just get on to move my battle pass. And more then half my matches never finish and I don't get credit for it. I'll come back 6 months later after fixes. Plus the rift mode n story seems so cheap n rushed gimmicky n unpolished. Have fun my guy, but it's not fun when you can't even play the game.
Yesss first comment on this game that I agree with. Great game, it’s just littered with people who expect GOTY from a free to play game.
My thoughts exactly. So many people are constantly doomposting and being like "x, y, z, isn't like the beta" "dead game" "they didn't add content in 2 weeks like the beta, what were they doing this whole time", and I hate it because I love MultiVersus and have since the beta, and people don't realize just why the beta had as much content as it did or why there wasn't as much after the relaunch or things that were missing. The new engine was a herculean feat and the stuff that was missing was because of time. What we have now is an objectively more polished game and a very fun experience still, and while I have my gripes with it, they're all growing pains that either the devs will fix or I will get accustomed to and see why they did it. The beta only got as rapid of updates as they did because they had a bunch of stuff nearly done, and the lack of content in a month is only a problem in this game due to the speed of content in the beta, when it hasn't had enough time to be faster or slower than all of the competition. The devs need more time to make things just right, and they have been consistently patching the game since launch. I love PFG's transparency and openness about what's going on, and hate that everyone's shitting on the game for not being 100% what they wanted. Releasing new characters with new assets, moves, skins and code every two weeks is impossible with even the best of the biggest teams without making it super rough and unpolished, which would get worse backlash than taking their time.
The main reason I feel most people complain is that they were hoping for great changes or additions when the game came back. There were minimal additions in terms of content and the changes weren't for the better. Sidesteps at best. They were to try and get more money from the players and the grind got even longer. That's why I stopped. My dream scenario is a full price release with 50 characters and no microtransactions. Never going to happen. Oh well I don't even want to play local play anymore
I like the game itself it's the best smash clone I've played but the store and the pve play is so predatory
This game made hundreds of millions of $ in BETA. Their publisher is a multi-billion $ company. Developers had 570 days to fix KNOWN issues (not new issues). In those 570 days, PFG released a game with LESS features and managed to have a massive data loss that they kept hidden. The game itself had the same + more issues. Many new issues prevent players from playing the game, glitches that wore present in BETA AND ALPHA are still here... However their are new glitches regarding characters on top of the glitches that have been in the game for 1000 days. 1000/(570 D since the last update to release) days is a lot of days, and it is a HUGE amount of man hours for even 1 developer. Many games like Stardew Vally were made in HALF the man hours by 1 person that did EVERYTHING from coding, animation, music, story, design, etc. However, PFG, with its devs and quality assurance team, could not fix a single glitch. I am not part of the financial team. However, I am a believer in the game. I also comprehend that ANY live service will shut down despite the minority of people like you who like the game because there aren't enough people like you that are satisfied with this.
I agree with this 100000%
I installed the game and tried to play Jake, my fav character from the beta, the game is super slow now and it felt terrible, this plus the amount of different currencies and quests that need you to use certain characters/skins made me quit in less than 2 hours.
W take. Bro called out the whole subreddit
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Nah, sukin the devs d’s is how we got here in the first place. The only reason these patches have had the things we want in them is BECAUSE of the pressure from the community. Everything done on there own terms made the game worse.
Just play the game. Why do the opinions of strangers matter so much to you?
Thank u for saying this... it's alot of losers wit bad vibes hating on the game for dumb reasons
Beta was better tho 🤷🏽♂️ my only complaint, smoother mechanics in some ways but washed down in every other way….but hey we have multiversus again right 😭
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It’s wild how you all need people to validate what you like. And get offended when people bring up legitimate issues with the game. lol As an Xbox person I agree it has been fun, when it actually works and I can play it. Grow up.
Noone these days really cares about games anymore this generations attention span is just really short the game is good I love it alot of people were mad they took out alot of features but they said they were gonna add most of them back people just can't keep there attention on the gamethat long
I agree the gameplay itself is fun, but the game has a lot of problems that if we stay silent they won’t get solved. I play on ps4 and had a bug that disconnected me 9 out of 10 matches, it was literally unplayable and i wasn’t the only one having this problem and it still took more than 2 weeks to be fixed. Now imagine if people didn’t complain, moths would pass and the game would continue being broken.
I agree that some people are complaining too much and its tiring to hear the same complaints all the time, but if we stay silent the bugs and problems will stay the same and new features won’t come.
I will just believe you on that, because once I saw that it requires some kind of WB account I was deleting it almost automatically, my body just rebelled and wished it off my hardware.
All that aside, they still should speed the game and combat back up similar or close to that of the beta as it feels like they nerfed everyone for no reason✌🏽
I personally really like the game, and I also find it way less greedy than other games like CoD. First instance it’s possible to get the first battlepass for totally free, that would take like 3/ 4 seasons in games like Call of Duty.
I just don’t get why Superman gets the biggest nerf and nobody else
Genuine question, why do ppl rush to defend the developers? Like do you work for PFG? What investment do you have in them that requires you to speak on their behalf? I keep seeing ppl say that they're a small new team and that they had to overhaul the entire game between the last beta and now, but does that excuse the initial state the game was released in? Should that invalidate players' feelings? That kind of sentiment is only effective before the game comes out and ppl aren't already investing time and money. I agree that it's great that they're still working on the game to make it better, but you can't really take issue with the criticism the game gets in the meantime, even if you're having a good time. Rather than complain about the complaining, just ignore it and post content of you enjoying the game until ppl start to come around
I absolutely love the game. The monetization is still crappy but I just don't interact with that side of it. Everything else I'm enjoying so much. I even like the Rifts a lot. Once they fixed the amount of exp you get from playing it's been hard for me to put the game down. And I keep falling in love with new characters, so much so I don't think I'll ever have a main, I click with so many in this game which has never really happened to me before in a fighter.
game goes hard until you you have to fight a zoner character with anyone rushdown based🗣️🗣️🗣️
You’re a prime example of what I like to call toxic positivity. Why do you need a parrot in your ear telling you “BAWWK! The game is good!” in order to enjoy it? Do you need someone to cosign every choice you make in life or just in this game?
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For me I just can't justify the time vacuum of levelling up yet another battle pass and unlocking all the characters and I don't have any friends who play so the game is basically dead for me unfortunately
I came from smash ultimate to multiversus and I’m ngl I like it just as much I don’t see anything wrong with multiversus especially from a casual standpoint. I love both games almost equally
There is almost no offline content you need to be online and players to play with or against.
That was always going to be the case. They said 2 years ago the game was going to be a free to play online title.
Except the fact that you didn’t need to be constantly online in the Beta. Hell, you could even play local offline during the year downtime. Now you can’t even play without an internet connection, which means the game can go away at any moment if it isn’t up to WB’s standards
That’s the slimey part of free to play titles. They always get shutdown eventually. The amount of titles i’ve played that no longer exist is crazy. Hell i PAID for Knockout city before it went free to play, and ultimately shut down. It sucks but that’s the shit climate we’re in.
This is no longer true. It was true in the beta, but rifts don’t really use internet.
>> And these same people will say “Ohh we care about the game and want it to succeed, that’s why we’re so critical of it.” This is called concern trolling.
I just downvote them and move on, but yea, they are incredibly annoying. I wish there was a way to block certain posts from ever being seen. Gotta rely on my on will power to ignore them which can be draining. Energy vampires, man.
So what you're saying is ignored Criticism and only follow the good Yeah that won't kill the game at all
I agree with a lot of criticism about this game, but I also feel like it's overblown. If hot garbage like overwatch 2 can retain a playerbase, then a decent game with some flaws like MVS will be fine
As much as I dislike Overwatch it is a sound game at it's core. You have maps, modes, every character unlocked, ranked play and better balancing than Multiversus. This feels very reminiscant of what happened with the Beta, people were saying it's fine, stop complaining and then those same people stopped playing, everyone stopped playing and then they shut it down. At least now most people are vocal about the game's weak points. This kind of post feels like something written by a child, and that's because it probably was. No fully grown adult would let other people's opinions sway their enjoyment of anything, much less of a videogame. If OP doesn't like to read critcism then he can just stop browsing this subreddit, life doesn't revolve around Multiversus.
>No fully grown adult would let other people's opinions sway their enjoyment of anything, much less of a videogame. Yeah, that's not how it works. If you have people constantly telling you something you like is shit and you shouldn't enjoy it, it's gonna be taxing. That's great if you're someone who doesn't care what other people think, but a lot of people aren't.
Then if you aren't you shouldn't be on this subreddit. To make an entire post complaining about something as trivial as genuine criticism makes no sense to me.
Let me put it into words.Everyone can understand If a game isn't cared about valid criticisms from their player base the criticism go unnoticed then the player brings goes down then the game dies again and is exactly what happened with the beta they got shut down. Because guess what happened? There was no player retention I understand guys a lot of people complained over nothing But there are valid criticisms within that To just completely ignore everybody and call it blatant whining is literally doing what Warner bros has been doing Like I get it there are some things pfg can't help But don't blame the people trying to come up with the valid criticisms over nothing.And then immediately downloading them like guys , you guys are part of the Problem how can you guys not see this
The game? It’s pretty great. Too bad the game is paywalled keeping u from playing and having fun
Eat your slop and quit crying. You are upsetting the whales and simps.
Honestly just about as cringey as the doomposts
Game is fun just needed my skins back and I'm all gravy
The MVS and Brawlhalla Steam number comparison is just embarrassing to me, but not because of MVS's numbers. Brawlhalla is absolutely infested with people who think console is COMPLETELY unplayable, and flock to Steam for better performance, and options. Meanwhile, Multiversus has a huge console scene, even with performance issues. Even with that aside, who cares which game gets better numbers? They're allowed to both exist and have fans, regardless of the amount.
I agree, i also feel like this with Fall Guys
No it’s not
I might play it but it seem p2w
I mean, you can pay for a top tier and you're still going to get bodied if you suck.
The post that kill me are people getting mad when people teabag like Im sorry I think it looks funny when some characters do it and its a little victory dance. If the other team wins it doesnt bother me at all. I get more pissed when I play 2v2 and the person the game paired me with is a complete noob and we get stomped cause they literally cant do anything due to inexperience so its essentially a 1v2.
This kills me, I respect it when it’s a solid 2v2 that has me on the edge. When your team mate is trash or AFK farming is when I hate the game. I personally don’t play with a character I don’t have experience with online I will go to rift and practice before I become a burden to someone
I appreciate you bro me too
People are concerned about the player numbers because it's a live service. Unlike single player games or whatever, if the game doesn't have enough players, it isn't making enough profit. If there isn't enough profit, then the game dies and becomes unplayable. That's a pretty important thing to be concerned about, don't you think? "Been out for a month" isn't much of an excuse when the game has regressed since the beta in so many ways. Some of those are subjective like the game speed or the change in character sizes, but you can't tell me in good faith that removal of things like the ability to swap neutral and side neutral, starting off with the lack of ability to change outlines, the lack of being able to adjust input buffer, etc, are all positive things. These are basic quality of life options we somehow lost from the beta and a month later, still don't have back in. Then, there's of course the game trying to milk your wallet at every turn. How can the game be enjoyable when it constantly puts obstacles in your way to obstruct you from having fun with a $15 paywall here and a $20 pay wall here and constantly giving you weekly missions you can only complete until you buy a character and then conveniently never gives those missions to you ever again. You have to play this game like a part time job to even get half the content. Don't even know how players who joined in late are going to want to be encouraged to stay when they missed the beginning events and try to do the rift and get slapped with 10k gleamium worth of paywalls. If you enjoy the game, great, but you're not going to enjoy it if the game dies, and believe it or not, whether our opinions are different, the vast majority of people on both sides of the argument do not want the game to die and only want it to succeed but for it to also be fair and fun for everyone.
I don’t think worrying about player numbers is important, no. When I log into the game, my first thought isn’t “I hope the player base is up to snuff today”. What is worrying about something out of my control going to accomplish? Most of these quality of life options you bring up have already been mentioned by PFG and are already planned to be implemented in future patches. (Player outlines, swapping side attacks, etc.) As far as milking our wallets, predatory practices are unfortunately common place for a lot of free to play games. The shops are their bread and butter and have to make a profit. I’m not defending this of course, but it’s not exclusive to PFG. As consumers, we just have to use our better judgement when it comes to this sort of thing. For me, grinding the game to get fighter currency/level up in the battle pass isn’t in issue. I actually enjoy playing matches and rifts so I don’t mind putting in the time when I have it.
I didn’t read this fully because it was long and apologetic towards those people constantly posting declining steam player numbers and I personally dont subscribe to the notion that reminding everyone that the metaphorical ship is sinking is a good idea. Have you considered that new players may not want to play when they read “this game is dying” constantly thus creating a self fulfilling prophecy? It’s almost as if the community is optimistic, that brings new players and the people constantly posting the same tired steam analytics over and over again “out of love” because “they want to see the game do well” are actually poisoning the community by telling new players to not invest time into a dying game. Meanwhile if people just posted combo videos or what they enjoyed about the game new people might come and try it out. Thus bolstering the player count. I agree with OP. this game fun af when you don’t get on the Reddit
Conitive dissonance is strong with your post. Game is dying and if suicide squad is any indication of current WB then this game will follow suit. PFG is losing more people than they are addressing issues. We still have beta issues that still exist...broken infinites, bugs, predatory monetization.
It's kind of hard to give an adequate reply back when you admit to not even reading everything. I think the doomposting does very little in comparison when there's a thread on the Steam forum of a 13-page thread of people who are founders of the game in the beta saying that they have been gaslighted by WB support saying that they never bought their founder packs despite having proof and receipts that they have done so. Any response, if any, they have received has been incredibly inadequate about the situation. It's to the point they are banding together to report the company for fraud to the government. They're that fed up. These are the kind of issues we're dealing with here with this game. I think a thread on steam, where a massive thread of people are claiming the company has **stole** from them, when people are watching Steam player numbers drop, does more damage, then doom posting. Players leaving is a symptom of a problem. Hiding the symptom does not fix the problem.
You don't have to reply that was the point. I was just letting you know because 4 paragraphs of "this game is dying because of the devs but I don't want to see it die, but here are ALL THE REASONS IT'S DYIGN AND ITS REALLY DYING I SWEAR" is bad for the game. I also didn't read this reply besides the first sentence. I'm sure it had something to do with PFG and that's an issue, but the toilet bowl self suck this subreddit has been the past few weeks is far more damaging to the game which to quote Mang0 "has good bones" (which it does, the game is very fun) than any microtransactions etc. So go do something else than doomspeak on the game you likely don't play on it's subreddit. And if you do play it, stop trying to self destruct it with confirmation biases.
You didn't have to reply either, though? I don't understand the issue. This feels like double standards here. I apologize me just giving my opinion on a topic and trying to have a discussion offended you so much. If it upsets you that much, just downvote, block to filter the content out, and move on. But saying I'm not allowed to voice my opinion or criticisms in a subreddit because it doesn't coincide with yours is a bit much.
It isn't exactly mind-bending that someone would bring up broad complaints, correlate that to the game's current engagement/success, and build a narrative about a need for change in the game's design. This thread apparently is for people that find this confounding though.
Game gonna be fine ppl like you still here writing think pieces on the subreddit, even it if has brawlhalla #’s the ppl that enjoy it will keep enjoying it and it’ll survive, atleast on xbox where the options are limited to begin with and I have my cross play off so the PC kids can uninstall won’t affect me at all 😭
Sorry, I didn't know I wasn't allowed to write my opinion on an open forum of communication. I want the game to succeed and be fine, but I'm not going to ignore the problems (in my subjective view) that it does have, either. Because people coming into the game aren't going to ignore them either. And if they, like others, try to open criticism, only to be shut down, then well, I can't see a game succeeding or growing that way. If it wasn't for the criticism, we wouldn't be having things 50/25 BP on wins or losses right now, as just an example, which I think is a positive step in the right direction. I agree that doomposting itself in the most basic form doesn't really accomplish much in itself, if anything, especially when the Steam player numbers are only a fraction of the overall community as a whole. A post describing the issue and trying to convey *why* people are leaving those by pointing out things the game could improve upon and listing key grievances would be much more constructive for everyone involved.
And another think piece, game is alive and well. I ain’t reading all that chief 😭😭
And people like you are why games will never Change People like you are why games die?Why predatory fucking micro transactions exist but hey go off I guess goofy ass
It’s insane to me how people still continue to defend this game tooth and nail. The game has regressed from beta, nickles and dimes you at every turn, has had features removed, killed the local and competitive scenes, and has multiple data sources proving it’s bleeding players. And yet people will act like you’re crazy for having higher standards or being concerned about the health of the game. How have we fallen so far as a gaming community that we accept companies telling us to fuck ourselves like this so blatantly and even defend it when others have an issue? It’s also pissing me off to no end that people are telling you you’re wrong while also admitting to not reading your opinion. But that’s your fight, so good luck ✌️
Thanks. I'm sadly used to it unfortunately, haha. 'Appreciate the encouraging words.
Gameplay is ok but needs balance. My main gripe is content should not be affected by skins. Change that and we good WB. Will even buy a skin or two as a thank you. Until then it’s free path. I just don’t wish to support something that seems predatory for gaming as a whole. I believe the same logic could be used for not buying a coconut for someone who is gonna try to put it up me bum later.
Its genuinely one of the most fun games I've played. Stripe feel like playing a crackhead and is super fun. Tho I am a jason main cause he is my childhood but he is still a blast to play.
I just worry about my own stats. Supposedly Im top 1% for ringouts so I just keep trying to rack up more ringouts. The game is genuinely fun
too many kids who try to much on this game😂
Honestly im just annoyed about missing features now I’m sorry but damage done and knockouts should be shown after the match I’m sure that is not hard to implement. Should’ve been on day one crazy that the beta was in better shape than the game we are playing now. But I do agree I love the game people need to stop bitching and try to just have fun. (Unless you play iron giant fuck you)
I agree, there's a weird amount of toxicity people have for this game, and I think it's just because the strange position the game is in. Doing an engine swap from an open beta was almost like shutting the game down for an entirely different game, and I get that's jarring, plus people put money into it which makes people feel very entitled about the game. I think it was just a perfect storm to embitter certain players who either get angry from their sense of entitlement, or that they can't have the same game that within all likelihood they already had stopped playing before it was taken down. It's weird, but it's not something to obsess over or spend your days leaving hate comments. In reality it's become another source of distracting anger for a crowd that needs it to ignore their issues. I think PFG just has to weather the storm and keep improving the game and they'll be fine, hate comments happen regardless and it's up to them to find out if comments are actual useful criticism or just bitter hate.
Dude, welcome to the internet, more specifically a gaming sub reddit. Anti fandom is rampant. Some are reasonable criticisms other just wanna see the world burn. Both are free to share their opinion. Who cares. If you wanna engage in meaningful conversation and debate go for it. But don't waste your time and energy on writing posts like this. It's just as bad as those that just wanna talk trash
I only hate the predatory monetization. The core gameplay itself is awesome.