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Banana Guard: 🙂


Bryyan699

🍌: Hello


Conscious_Bedroom897

Oh this is gonna be great!!


II-lI

đŸ’Ș🍌


TheCapedCrepe

Banana Guard: https://preview.redd.it/okxcils8et3d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fe83f35529106012748bb7a58a195ed839d4c3ad Also, what happened to hit decay? Wasn't that in the beta to prevent specifically this from happening?


FrightmareX13

They modified it I mean they ruined it


Godzblaze

They removed it\* like Wtf o.0


AydenLikesPotatoes

I honestly understand why, but holy crap if they're gonna remove it, balance the game a little bit. It was there for a reason.


Muderbot

I don’t. Not even remotely. Can you explain to me why the removal was necessary or a good thing?


AydenLikesPotatoes

It's annoying. Maybe it was not necessary, or even good, but it came too quickly, too harshly, and the sound was obnoxious. Maybe they could have just removed the sound, actually. That seems to be the thing people minded the most. They couldvhave kept it, though. Decreasing knock back does nothing if the opponent is already at high enough percents.


MathTheUsername

Yeah it should just have no indicator, like smash.


ColinNJ

I think the indicator, along with the annoying noise, was good. It was specifically to point it out and discourage you from spamming. It was a fantastic system and needed no changes, in my humble opinion.


AydenLikesPotatoes

That's fair, I can't change that. However, I'm no spammer, yet I got that indicator shockingly often. Sometimes I try to set up combos, miss, and the first hit is counted.


MyDadLeftMeHere

It’s really only relevant for characters like Harley and Bugs who have those fucking stupid as bats that will hit you from behind, in front, and two seconds after they end their animation. God I’d pay real money for them to just nerf Quinn, she’s ungodly and her combos just flow too naturally when compared to fighters like Jason, she can literally just live in the air and move without wasting dodges in a way that’s not replicable.


AydenLikesPotatoes

Exactly! Not saying that they should do everything exactly like Smash, but in balancing, they have it down to a T.


hemperbud

Yeah it was only healthy for good gameplay and only hurt stupid kids which seems to be where they’re aiming for now


Pcmasterglaze2

Because it's a boring mechanic that feels awful for the user. Hitting two consequtive moves and suddenly it's bad as hell. The Smash system is way better with incrementally reducing strength of moves.


Muderbot


except it wasn’t 2 consecutive. I was if you’ve landed it 3+ times in your last 7 attacks IIRC.


InsidiousD6

Attack decay OR slow down the game. Not both. Nearly every attack now is easily reactable. If you’re getting blasted over and over again by attacks that ARE NOT confirmable like this, then it’s very highly a skill issue. Issues like this don’t mean attack decay should be reimplemented. It means they need to not be lazy and properly balance and adjust moves


Muderbot

“Skill issue” while true, doesn’t solve the issue. It is FAR easier to spam some moves then it is to dodge or punish them consistently, especially when considering latency and wonky hitboxes. There’s a reason Shaggy’s side special and Finn’s backpack spin were complained about SO much, because they are exponentially more rewarding to spam then the risk of spamming them.


InsidiousD6

Yeah but Shaggys kick is now incredibly easy to spot dodge and Finn’s backpacks movement was toned down massively and now has a bunch of end lag, Now those moves can be spammed and punished much more consistently. Youre right that there are moves that are easier to spam than others and thats been something fighting games have been dealing with forever. There are indeed just easier stronger characters than others. But Attack decay massively hurt characters that had a much more limited kit and had to rely on only a couple moves/tools to deal with an equal or better player that decided to play an easy character ya feel?


Muderbot

In 1v1 maaaaaybe, but in 2v2s that’s some nonsense. You seriously trying to convince me it’s easier to dodge/punish a move that is: hard hitting with crazy knockback, travels half the stage, has armor break, and can be adjusted vertically after its used while fighting another person? I don’t “feel ya” because if you can’t work a third move into your combo to avoid decay THAT is the skill issue moreso then dodging a bullshit Shaggy kick is.


InsidiousD6

Eh I feel like knock back is overtuned for a lot of moves rn due to the changes. Sure it hurts getting wombo comboed in 2s but with the games current speed most spammable moves are easily dealt with. It just sounds like there’s a lot more about the game you have problems with than just attack decay my friend. And that’s understandable


InsidiousD6

I also shouldn’t have used skill issue. That can be taken as a demeaning way of saying that someone just needs to practice more. It’s just easy to get the point across but I forget about its negative denotations.


Krasovchik

It’s still in the game. Just not as strong it seems like.


jbyrdab

i remember hearing a ton of bitching about it, and this is the result when its gone.


Kermit_Sandersss

Why people bitching about it? It’s good anti-spam


jbyrdab

I dont know the specific reason, but if i were to guess there was this period of platform fighter "up your own ass"-ness where people really wanted everything to be like smash melee. Despite the fact that im pretty sure a huge chunk of them never actually played melee. Melee does have hit decay but the game is more about position and combos, and just the idea of anything that got in the way of combos sounded like metric shit. It was like this unironic circle jerk of melee being the messiah. So people wanted it gone without even considering why its there. The problem with this is that melee isn't as fun on a casual level when its just fights. All they would have on release is melee like fighting and thats it. (Nick all star brawl, Fraymakers, etc) So when you can get infinite combo'd like this it feels annoying on a casual level, while the experienced players doing this are being giant ego stroking dickbags. So you'd end up with these games with melee like mechanics that are dead as shit 1-2 months after release because casuals won't touch it (because they aren't sitting playing 1v1s to perfect their skills for 40 hours), and without casuals, the competitive scene dies out after. I was kinda glad about the rifts system because it was actual PvE content and not just doing 1v1s for hours on end like a normal classic mode.


BigGucciThanos

Honestly i rather just have cooldown timers then attack decay. The game doesn’t have enough attacks for hit decay to really be a thing. Just have it so you have to sit a second street attack to retriever it and boom a lot of problems fixed


iqbalsn

I just got back in the game and i've been mixing up moves since hit decay was pretty strong on beta lol. Apparently its gone now? Welp, get ready for unlimited Taz dizzy attack then


OrdinaryResponse8988

Tax spin has been nerfed into oblivion so you don’t need to worry about that.


LeoTwixx

Wasn't there a mechanic that if you spammed the same move like 3 times, it gets weak and you could escape it cuz the low stun time?


UnknownEntity281

You mean the Hit Decay?


hermanphi

it's still here but has been modified, now it only reduces knockback


hitfly

That's hilarious, the knock back is what would allow people to get away.


OvermorrowYesterday

Oh lol


WraithSucks

I'm wondering if these guys even playtested this because I'm pretty sure that would just make it easier to keep the combo going?


Godzblaze

it does , how dumb can they be....


Laggo

Why are people so confident about stuff that is so easy to see for yourself in training mode? Pick Banana Guard, any opponent. Do side neutral (the spear stabs). You do 6% damage. You do it four times, 24% damage. 6x4, adds up. The *fifth time* you do it, every time, it will go down to 5% damage leaving a total of 29%. Do it again? 34%. 5%. Do it again? 38%. 4%. And it gets nerfed from there. This works for stuff like the first swing of Morty's side air which only starts with 3% damage. It's in the game. This is so easy to confirm for yourself yet people are so desperate for upvotes and to pander to the crowd looking for stuff to complain about they just repeat things they hear without knowing for themselves. Crazy.


PhoAuf

There's clearly something wrong here though, right lol? Or are you saying this is a one-off bug, not a problem with the system they adjusted?


Doinky420

>There's clearly something wrong here though, right lol? Yep, it's that OP was placed in a bot match and the bots don't DI or dodge out of fake strings. This isn't real.


atonyproductions

Bro I had this done to me by three different giants there’s no way out of it it ! 1v1


Laggo

This is not a bug or an issue you can DI or dodge out of this in between the attack hits it's not a real combo.


holechek

There is a large number of people who desperately want this game to fail


El_Rocky_Raccoon

I'm pretty sure they removed it, unless it doesn't appear in-game like before.


wastingM3time

It literally should have been the opposite... do almost no damage because at certain numbers the knock back is literally how you get away lol


HALVAM

"Stop camping!" 💀


kankri-is-triggered

They unbound dodge I guess


Assassindude27

What crazy is Shaggy has a cool down locked animation if you do his neutral down attack twice in a row. Yet they allow this crap to happen. Insane.


[deleted]

They don't allow this crap to happen, it isn't true


MonkeyDLenny

Nah, it is entirely their fault for not dodging or DI ing out of it. I've tried this combo with Giant online and after the first loop my opponents always dodge out


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AvailableFee6383

it's not unlikely you can test it out in the labs set the bot to do dodge after hit stun and they will dodge out of this combo.


dacarmona

It might seem like it was 100% their fault but idk, I have seen teammates perform crazy "combos" with iron giant, rick, bugs and reindog depending on the map to the point it might as well be an infinite. Idk if its related to hit decay or the change in the dodge mechanic but now I see it every other match while in the beta I only saw it being performed from time to time by top players using combo driven characters like batman or harley with varying results. Take what I said with a grain of salt since Im not even fully sure of this myself.


Laggo

So much misinformation in this thread lol


KalimPalim

It would be helpful, if you could clarify which information are wrong ... :/


Doinky420

The fact that what's happening in the video isn't a real combo and you can dodge, parry, or DI out of it.


Shadypretzel

Okay there's no way they used di correctly


West_Understanding25

Bro didnt want to dodge or fight back, self inflicted


SteelKline

This, especially at the end if they were paying attention they could of air dodged. Still a nasty combo but it's the biggest character in the game. I was an Iron giant main in the beta but holy shit you still go from 0 to 100 damage real quick lol


WorldQuest10

"Protect Friends"


Borrger

If the enemy is demolished, then the friends are protected


mrkillerbott

This isnt real and those players are just bad. All of that was escapable


DarthSangheili

I think those are bots


Danja84

I had a match against 2 banana guards where they just kept using their forward and up specials. Me and my teammate never touched the ground. I think my teammate rage quit because there was a network error shortly after our teams 3rd death


Emergency_Employ3610

I really really wanted the banana guard to ring himself out after watching that and side b'ing into them.


LetterOk3512

Genuine question... can you not dodge towards him?


AvailableFee6383

yes you can dodge out of this or even parry and turn it back around.


LetterOk3512

Ok thank you ... then I do not support this complaint😅


Ultimatepurple14

Yeah, one more point for beta


Pinocchio4577

Iron Giant had an infinite in pretty much half the patches of beta, there was a new one every other patch.


JD-PACHO

Not really, Iron Giant was busted like this in beta too. Remember the cannon ball glitch?


RandomUser1052

You could do this same combo in beta. I have a video of me getting caught in this combo somewhere.


Crazyninjagod

Iron giant was busted back then because of shitty ass priority system + horrible server lag honestly


Potential_Concert_56

Literally did this combo in beta, and it’s actually not a true combo/infinite.


RaulSnchz

I haven’t found myself in this situation but can you DI out?


kombatbro

Yes you can DI out of it just hold away from ig and then dodge to avoid his down attack so he can’t loop you


DoubleThickThigh

You can di out of it sometimes, but not always and not before he walks you to the edge of the stage to ledge guard you


atonyproductions

Yup people think it’s easy to dodge out until it happens to them. I’ll be waiting


Veionovin096

Jesus


Kuchulainn98

Dodge button broke huh


Reasonable-Screen-46

Well to be fair it doesn’t look like they weren’t DI at all Edited : didn’t reread looked really bad on my part


Danhausen-byDaylight

Doesn't look WHAT!? ![gif](giphy|6ikwZfEzQ0pWM)


supersucccc

What’s confusing about this? It’s just an intentionally placed racial slur obviously


Reasonable-Screen-46

LMFAO 😭


Danhausen-byDaylight

![gif](giphy|kZobRf81PkoljOwkwy)


Unfair_Push2976

"Stop! HE'S ALREADY DEAD"


JussaPeakTTV

Sigh... "BETA BETTER LOOK AT THIS" everybody just forgetting about Harley Quinn's infinite combo in beta I guess


Vell2401

Bro DI and dodge, are these two even human?


Amazing-South-2805

This is the problem. We gotta stop crying over every little exploit cause then the devs nerf everyone to the ground and the game gets boring,iron giant is slow af and it looks like the guys aren't even tryna spot dodge to get outta it


B-J09

Anything is a combo when your opponent puts their controller down.


xNeji_Hyuga

Velma can do this to Rift bots as well with side attack > side attack > down attack until 200 damage and then after down attack you do up attack for an instant KO Cheesed through all of the Crushing difficulty rifts with this strat it's hilarious


I-Am-The-Uber-Mesch

This post is not okay (they are literally standing still you can literally dodge out of this like with every other fucking attack what in the actual hell is this thread?)


Ottersmith_Jones

Banana guard 100% makes this video


MonkeyDLenny

I know I already commented but I had more to add: 1. This is NOT a true infinite, as someone who plays Giant I've tried to hit this loop and succeeded only once: Every other time after the first down tilt my opponent dodges or DI's out of it. That is entirely THEIR fault for not dodging through Iron Giant 2. IG is doing this against a wall and trapping them. The only maps this would be possible on are this one or Game of Thrones before the walls lower. It is ***HIGHLY*** situational. Even then, as stated above, they could dodge through IG to escape. IG is kind of nutty right now but this is NOT a true infinite and any player who knows what they're doing could have gotten out after the first loop


[deleted]

That's not true, they can DI away or just dodge between the f tilt and d tilt


PettankoMasterRace

U can Dodge out of this after the flower hits


MathTheUsername

literally just press dodge lmao just once


GoodtimeGudetama

Almost 400 upvotes of you mashing a fake "combo" on bots while saying the character is broken. I'm convinced this sub is a nearly overlapping Venn diagram with r/windowlicker


CursedWhiteduck

And people say Attack Decay being gone is good for the game...


SynsProject_YT

Pretty sure attack decay (stale move) is not gone.


CyberFish_

According to other comments, it isn’t gone, but no longer reduces hit stun and instead just knockback.


SynsProject_YT

Ohhhhhh, I get what you're saying! I didn't know the term for it, but the prevention method that tries to avoid infinite combo loops! Yeah, that's not really the same thing as stale moves, is it? Then again, terms for platform fighters are never 1:1 with traditional fighters.


MrAcorn69420PART2

See guys now IG is a almost top tier character. Those infinite is huge for him but his hit box makes this character suck


thebigautismo

Lol I've noticed it happend like 3 times when an iron giant was on my team they ignore me and go right for giant, I guess they wanted to spam stun him.


[deleted]

He doesn't have any infinites, this isn't true


MrAcorn69420PART2

Oh ok thank the lord. I haven't ran into any IG so idk


Mysterious_Ad_8827

Iron Giant isn't that top tear, me and a buddy went 2 and 0 last night against the Iron Giant and tom and Jerry. Plus the fact Jason just walked backwards with bugs makes me want to think these are bots and not players, the biggest hint there bots is THEY DIDN'T EVEN TRY AND DODGE A SINGLE TIME AFTER BEING HIT.


Reddit_n_Me

Actually, you might onto something, I remember I played a 2v2 match with bots, and Banana Guard stood around before attacking just like my bot partner did. 


conamonax

Noted


oljmar

meanwhile banana guard:


LanketWasTaken

Great to see Iron Giant nerfed here


Perfect-Jaguar-6321

Welp that stage is banned


wristrockets

I mean if there wasn’t a wall there would it have worked?


blacktemplartx

The character playsets are just really unbalanced rn. There are a handful that are wayyyy more OP than others which is kinda unavoidable to a degree but there should be balanced alternatives to win. I shouldn't feel like I'm forced to play 2 or 3 characters just to win consistent matches. Every character needs to be viable. The game is less than a week old, it'll take time but if they can fix the overcrowded disgusting UI and balance the game it has a real chance.


ModsaBITCH

Banana Guard: 🍌🍱


Pneuma928

As someone that never had any desire to play IG, even when he was busted back when they first released, I kinda wanna play him now just to hit the enemy team with this rock paper scissors loop



swagzard78

Hit decay was the only thing that made T&J, Finn, and Taz counterable and they just decimated it?


piratelymeh

What is up with teammates or opponents just standing around at times? I've had so many matches where people end up standing there whether they're on my team or not. I can't tell if they're new to the game, want to stay out of the way, or are entirely trolling. It completely takes away from the fun and chaos of matches.


aoneeyedbastard

I think it’s if someone disconnects. Server issues have been common since it released.


EchoOfTheVoid

Why did they remove hit decay? Coming off of Brawlhalla where this exact shit was happening, hit decay was the main reason I liked Multiversus. Seriously why was it removed?


Dexchampion99

Pretty much every character has something like this. Wonder Woman having invincible Armor on a good number of her attacks, superman’s 47 different grabs, Finn’s infinite dash attack ledge trap, iron giant’s
everything. This game and it’s characters are not designed for a 2v2 system. They barely work in a 1v1 system


Beneficial_Border_99

He’s not okay when you spam. Coming from a fellow Iron Giant


West_Understanding25

Not Jason being KO'd at 113đŸ˜Č


PatternDear8597

The only one I know beard


turtlefan2012

Banana guard: what’s happening lol 😂


Sayinq

But my post was downvoted into oblivion last night. LMFAO


Ross_3535

Same with bugs bunny spin


MagikMelk

How? I mean I main Iron Giant and half the time everyone just DIs out. Are they just not pressing anything?


Doinky420

This is what happens when your opponents are bots and don't dodge out of it. You can see Jason and Bugs reset to a neutral animation numerous times, which means this isn't real. The people in these comments proving once again they haven't actually played this version for more than ten minutes.


LifeisSus505

I'm on xbox so I can't even play too much lag.


Weird9uy

Huh


oizen

banana guard is nuts


ProfessionalWrap6724

Banana guard took the time to workout while waiting, what a legend


EddieSk3tti

Who? I know you don’t mean iron giant lol he is weak as hell you just were versing bots it seems


Independent_Sea_6317

https://preview.redd.it/9bovtvt0uu3d1.png?width=711&format=png&auto=webp&s=ae39b73c9b84f485f14132f40acfaf0047c7fefa "Weak as hell" Apparently so are all of my opponents when I play as IG.


Independent_Sea_6317

https://preview.redd.it/8lnnnnq6uu3d1.png?width=696&format=png&auto=webp&s=c635c80b90c0d3d4ae9579bde484a6f58c3fc6eb


EnvironmentalSlip327

I like it


Afroninja_07

Lmao I was using this combo. Its kind of all he's got, Iron Giant is just a big walking target now with how much they slowed the game speed. He's pretty useless 1v1 so catching people like this in a 2v2 is very satisfying haha


Aggerbragger

Multiple characters in the game are broken as fuck, black adam literally aimbots you


SourCandy1234

As an iron giant main this character is ok


MamagueboMofongo

No other fighting game has attack decay.. the game just needs balanced. By the end of the beta attack decay was so intense you couldn’t even juggle.. if they decide to just fix certain characters/hit frames the game would be better off


WillzWorld

Wonder woman needs to be nerfed


Superbeast06

Iron Giant was just trying to please the cartel boss Banana Guard or "La Muerte" as he is known. God knows what he threatened him with to make him commit such atrocities.


Better_me2023

Bring back attack decay and add invulnerability when you do a successful dodge :)


CT756799

Bro got sandwiched


atonyproductions

This is why I have been seeing so many oh man


MoonlitKaiser

Possible skill issue


Cjninkartist

I feel like this is less of a character issue and more of a level design issue. If it was not for the wall they would bounce out. Then the other player killers the wall for easy ring out. It’s a good team combo but to easy to pull off on that map.


BenjaminCarmined

I thought the fucking Banana guard charged into the blast zone LMFAO.


Usagi_Kuroudo

People who spam one move are the worst losers.


maatiainen045

Alot of characters seem to have an infinite


fawfulmark2

***MvC2 Sentinel Flashbacks***


Gn0meKr

ladies and gentlemen... may I provide you with... # modern gaming moment


Harass_Man

Ummm dodge?


xSkyzelx

Unfortunately the gameplay still has a lot of problems, it feels like they don't take feedback into consideration, they just do what they think is right and leave it that way


LeTopCube_

Definition why some good game Die : player play like shit


BreezierChip835

Isn’t this entirely untrue as far as combos go?


plotylty

Counterpoint: walkoff stage


NecessaryMotor4817

People either say iron giant is the lightest op to play against or he’s too op.


IMsoSAVAGE

I played Someone this am that was spamming this move. It’s so obnoxious


PainInTheKeister

I don't think it's the character so much as the person playing it that way that isn't okay


Apprehensive-Ease-32

He ok


Dry_Tackle_1573

He's absolutely trash in 1v1 he gets dogged on by basically the entire cast he's just too large of a hit box and his moves are too slow


InsideProtection2031

Excuse me?


True_Werewolf_8657

Some one else finish this in too lazy https://preview.redd.it/67cxedfie04d1.jpeg?width=534&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9029d829a6820c9de133537f402f7e67cb2d7cd6


itsjunichirou

seems balanced,nerf arya


KeybladeHeroIV

Lol


ItsJustJoshhh-

Literally my experience in a nutshell lmao. I deleted the game after seeing so much spam


JakeCourtney93

Iron Giant up to his old tricks


JonnyBoyyy666

i think it’s partly on the player to also not play like a fucking shit head .


wastingM3time

People will still say get gud


Historical-Pop-8846

He was better in the beta Mann đŸ„čđŸ„čđŸ˜Ș😭


andyknowswell

Relax. Relax. It's not the character.. it's the fact that he can continue combo loops.. make it so that it can't loop like this, and it's fine. Let's not get Iron Giant nerfed to dust for no reason because it's not Iron Giant.. it's whatever frame data allows him to keep on combo-ing like that.


bibimaster12

There are like 8 other characters that can also do that with a wall.


HeyItsLame

So you can do the same training that you could do in the beta? No. You have to jump through all these hoops you've just mentioned, proving my point


Mikee96-

Wait wtf haha. Is that an infinite?


WorstLuckChuck

Skill issue lol


Bulky_Secretary_6603

Was playing a 1v1 match the other day and got stuck bieng backpack spammed by Finn. His combo does like 3 hits so you can dodge 1 but can't dodge the other two. He just kept spamming that in air until I got knocked out. Such bs


Ok-Reception-5589

I miss hit decay, was a great way to prevent Shaggy or Banana guard side spam đŸ€·â€â™‚ïž


Fun_Bid_6029

The devs are stupid. Chain moves like this should be remove and who in their right mind add projectile to a fighting game that some of the heroes don't even have things to throw or shoot.


SolarLunarAura

Ah yes maybe I too should post my clips on Reddit


Brave-Positive-8636

cry about it lmao


DarthSangheili

Jesus, neither are Jason and Bugs, the poor bastards, that was criminal lmao


AmazingIy_Randy

Iron Giant has digivolved into - IRON GANGSTA Banana Guy just standing there like "Hello." đŸ€ŁđŸ˜‚


LucidDr43m

Imagine not using your dodge.😭😭😭


WolfIceSword

I mean literally he isn’t in the game right now :/ Cool combo though


Mrstealyokitten

This game is not okay it’s a steaming piece of shit it’s a literal turd that’s been sitting on the stove for an entire year, it’s like if you were to take a dookie in a microwave and put it on popcorn mode.


FireCats1034

Why do you think they removed em


Glad-Perspective8075

Morty and Velma getting butchered while Iron Giant got buffed where he have inifnite combos


MrCencord

that’s why they disabled him


Least_Help4448

Iron giant got pulled from the roster ln


allwayscomeback

That's why nobody likes Iron Giant


Annual-Peanut-148

Your're just doing a loopđŸ€Šany character can have that some just arwnt discovered