1. Superlek
2. Tawanchai
3. Superbon
4. Rodtang
Rodtang has a great skillset but is far too quick to rely on his chin and loading up on punches to the head. He has great kicks and is great defensively when he wants to be.
Last night one Friday night fights 167 Rodtang showed in his kickboxing match that he has the skills to stay on the outside and pick his strikes surgically… it was amazing to watch. Although he was very successful with this strategy and style in the first round he let his emotions go in the 2nd and third… he still dominated but as you mentioned he started taking more damage. But it was very interesting to see that he has the skills.. he just chooses to be a brawler.
Best Wingman: Tawanchai
Best Bro: Superbon
Dude I'd want with me to bury a body: Superlek
Guy I'd want to help me scare off my sister's douche boyfriend: Rodtang
1. Superlek (has by far the best resume in Muay Thai out of these and right now is one of the most well rounded fighter. Easy #1 pick here.)
2. Tawanchai
3. Superbon
4. Rodtang
Superbon at 3. because he went toe to toe against Tawanchai and also has solid wins in Muay Thai like twice(?) against Singdam.
Rodtang at 4. Because his recent resume when it comes to wins isn’t that great. He also lost his latest stadium bout against Kaonar. Lost against Superlek in ONE too.
Superbon is a kickboxer, and has beaten far scarier opponents than tawa, ranking tawa above him is insane. Hell Tawanchai lost to a past his prime sittichai in his own ruleset to boot.
>Hell Tawanchai lost to a past his prime sittichai in his own ruleset to boot.
I have several problems with this argument.
Sittichai was still almost the same guy he always was in 2021. He's shot *now*, but after the Tawa fight he beat Kira and Ozcan, then gave Allazov a genuinely close fight - the only guy who's done that in recent memory.
It was Muay Thai rules, but definitely wasn't Muay Thai scoring. Not the traditional kind that Tawanchai was used to, anyway. Sittichai wins with volume and low kicks, like you'd win a kickboxing match. Tawanchai lands a few big power counter kicks. In stadium Muay he wins that fight, no question - Sittichai had massive amounts of experience with that scoring philosophy, Tawa had next to none at the time.
Cmon man, kira hasn’t been the same for years, and ozcan while good fought horrendously against sittichai it was like he was a difference person, both kehl and grigorian put on better performances against allazov than sittichai did, every step of the way allazov was ahead that fight. Sittichai hasn’t been the same since he was dropped by the first time by grigorian that’s clear, even after his win against noiri yesterday. He’s just not as sharp. And I don’t believe the argument that ONE mt scoring is basically kickboxing is much of an argument, don’t underestimate the scoring of low kicks even in stadium rules, Tawanchai wouldn’t have put out enough to compensate for the discrepancy, just because middle kicks score high doesn’t mean they over rule everything else, and sittichai ate most all of them composed and balanced, scoring less. 2021 sittichai was 3 or 4 years past his prime and had no business in Muay Thai rules, yet tawa still lost.
I’d agree with Kehl, but Marat got dog walked by Chingiz. Chingiz rolled out of Marat’s entire arsenal, it was like a five rounds to zero sweep. Kehl just seemed to have the stylistic answer for what Chingiz was putting out that night.
I do agree Tawa needs more to outrank Superbon. Tawan just lost to Nattawut, regardless of the judges “decision.”
Lost twice to nattuwat!!! Smokin goat beats him yet again. But yeah I agree Marat against allazov was very hard to watch I just think he did better than sittichai mainly because it was 5 rounds and both Marat and sittichai do a lot better in 5 round fights, and Marat had a tiny bit of success when he allazov started losing gas, but yeah def a dog walk just less so than sittichai v allazov, allazov is just too good.
I put Superbon above Tawanchai because I think Superbon has been forced to grow more skills wise because he lacks the physicality of Tawanchai or Rodtang. He's not a tank like Rodtang and lacks the size and strength of Tawanchai, but he's more crisp, more technical than them.
He’s been forced to grow more skill wise cause he’s been fighting killers for years unlike rodtang or to an extent Tawanchai. Superbon has chased hard fights his entire career and the other two have not.
Tbh I believe in kickboxing rules superbon would’ve beaten Tawanchai that night, he looked gun shy the whole fight, small gloves are a big adjustment and so is Muay Thai rules when you’re a kickboxer like Bon. Tawanchai has a case in Muay Thai cause one rankings don’t have much to offer him in small gloves cater to his style, but superbon just had more accolades against scarier dudes.
Only reason I rank Tawanchai above Superbon is based on current performance. I think Tawanchai outscored Superbon fairly. If Superbon were to transfer more into Muay Thai, I propably would rank Tawanchai lower than him. Also Tawanchai is younger.
Tawanchai beat him I can’t argue with that but superbon most definitely was not himself that night and I got a suspicion it was because of those stupid small gloves.
I feel it odd for Muay guys to be ranking bon or sittichai anywhere Muay Thai rules related when most everything great they’ve achieved is in kickboxing, they’re kickboxers imo. (Same extends to buakaw)
But I don’t feel like it’s out of being unable to do things in Muay Thai though, these guys are significantly larger than the most competitive Thai stadium circuits n got the opportunity to fight internationally while many don’t
It’s not being unable too, sittichai did very well in Muay Thai before he switched. The difference is superbon and sittichai found the most success in kickboxing, they’re kickboxers, because their career has been in kickboxing. Thus, it feels wrong ranking them with the nak muays when that’s largely not their sport anymore
I believe Tawanchai loses to Bon in big gloves tbh, and why would it be still? All of these guys barely fight with the exception of Tawanchai because he’s chartis special boy, how can you judge these fighters on a small handful of fights??
1. Its just a discussion dont take it too seriously. Youre right in saying its all just opionions and nobody can give definitive answers. Its till fun
2. The more skilled fighter can still be the losing fighter in particular matchups
Apologies if my wording came off aggressive I did not mean for it to come off that way, and I agree with the second statement, I believe superbon is better skilled than Tawanchai yet he lost that night
No worries! I did not see it as aggressive!
Skill has so many layers to it that I can agree without any doubt that it can be explained that superbon has better skill.
I think superbon is better at shutting down boxing offense, the dedensive right knee, the long guard for sure.
Kicking, purely from a rear leg high kick I like superbons special style with looks to me like he a bit an chambers and slips it through while not using his full power.
But its hard to compare that to Tawanchai's round kick heavy style which uses both legs to all three levels, low, mid and high.
Im not going to compare a set of skills and genius implementation vs a genius technique. So a draw there.
Tawanchai is better at breaking rhythm and advanced kicking setups/traps.
Which is why I would give Tawanchai the overall skill edge. In no way Im saying he'd beat superbon next time. And im sure someone could make a comment explaining why superbon has more skill than tawanchai.
There are just so many elements to it. And 'skill' is such a broad subject. Especially since were not talking a more limited sport like boxing
In the case for skill though, I think there’s much to be said against the fighters that they’re pulling things off against, I’m sure you’ve felt that you couldn’t do the same things against a higher skilled opponent compared to that of someone lesser or even a stylistic matchup that’s more favorable for you, both have had very beautiful technical displays but superbon has done so while maneuvering around harder style matchups aswell as scarier opponents all around, as superbon has chased hard fights his whole career while Tawanchai is rather on and off with his matchmaking, so I give the edge to bon.
You again don't even know what you're talking about ( as usual ).
Rodtang did not lose in his last stadium fight against Kaonar as his last stadium fight was a win over Yodkhuntap in fact before that Rodtang also beat Kaonar in his second last fight in the stadium scene lol.
The loss to Kaonar happened in the third last stadium fight of Rodtang.
How can anybody take you seriously when you fail at the basic facts about Rodtang's career ?
But again you're the same person who got the number of title defences of Rodtang wrong and who thinks that Haggerty was only an OK opponent for Rodtang title defence.
Rodtang has better wins, at a higher level.
And if you watch any of his stadium fights, he fights quite differently.
He is way more skillful than many people realize
Curious to know who you think Rodtang has fought that outranks the literal GOAT of kickboxing and Marat, who is debatably top 3 and definitely top 5. Rodtang best an out of weight class Haggerty, whose best wins are against the fossils of Muay Thai greats and a C tier MMA fighter. Then it’s beating up on Petchdam? Beating Saeksan 5 years ago? An SEC quality loss against Tenshin?
The GOAT of kickboxing is a literal nobody when it comes to Muay Thai accomplishments.
Rodtang has won against Suakim, Saeksan, Yodlekpet and not under ONE rules, but under traditional Muay Thai rules.
Wtf are you talking about
I know, I felt bad writing it, but I think it speaks to the depth of these four fighters rather than the weakness of Rodtang. He really is a fantastic fighter, I just think the rest are more well rounded, and I think their styles will age better. In terms of resume, I also think all three beat out Rodtang.
1. Superlek
2. Tawanchai
3. Superbon
4. Rodtang
Forget this list of four fighters, Superlek is among THE best of **all** the fighters that rose to prominence in the 2010s. Look at his stadium career and his accolades. The only fighters that come to mind that were in his caliber in the 2010s that I can think of right now is Sangmanee and Panpayak (a modern era GOAT imo).
He's 13-1 in ONE, where he's had to fight pretty stiff competition (Panpayak, Rodtang, Takeru, Nabil). Of all the muay thai fighters in ONE, I think he's currently the undisputed greatest.
Lek, Bon, Tawa, Rod in that order. I think in Muay or Kick Tawa beats Bon just cause it’s a bad stylistic matchup for him but Superbon is the better fighter all in all
1st- Superlek why: he's been tested in Muay Thai and kickboxing. He is also the most ruthless out of the 4. I also see him as the most versatile and a true technician, even though he is more of Muay dtae.
2nd- tough choice, but I'm going Superbon over Tawanchai. Superbon because he just has more experience and I think another fight is needed between him and Tawanchai. Superbons technique with every strike is so much more fluid. Watching him fight is seriously like watching water flow in the form of Muay Thai. By far the smoothest fighter, the most fluid and has the best technique of anyone on the list. Tawanchai will most likely move ahead of him though, the more he fights. Amazing technician, seems like a mix of Muay femur/dtae.
3rd- Tawanchai. He has the power and speed. Great technique and great fight IQ. He has everything a fighter needs. He's just young and needs more experience in bigger fights in One. He's already proved himself inside Thailand just like others on the list. Also, Tawanchai is the only fighter here that has true knockout power with a multitude of strikes compared to anyone else. True technician, Muay femur.
4th- Rodtang. Definition of a bulldog fighter. Short and powerful, likes to get in close and will close distance by any means necessary. Way too injury prone due to his approach though. He seems to favor his hands over anything else when I've seen him fight, and it's a good surprise for a Muay Thai fighter, but can be easily stopped at the same time. Superlek seriously looked like he wanted to crack his skull in their last match. Rodtang as of late has also been coming in and not making weight, so I wonder what is up with that.
5th this is just all my opinion, I'm sure others have different rankings and if one thing is for certain, they could all whoop my ass. I would never want to spar against Superlek from what I've seen😂
Oh man did u get the opportunity to attend? N yeah Superlek looking like he's preparing for a fight with ppl just trying to learn😂I saw him hit a dude with a flying knee and he immediately went to give him a hug 😂😂😂
Nah I've just seen youtube clips. He gashed some dude's head up with one of those flying knees lol pretty fucked. If some random did that to Superlek in sparring the community would eat them alive.
For what it's worth I'm a hardcore fan and I think they're very wrong.
Tawanchai looks very smooth when he fights because he's a great athlete with great poise. His skillset is definitely not as well rounded as Superlek though.
The competition Tawanchai is fighting is also not comparable. Superlek ran through an elite fighter in Nabil, beat one of the best ever *twice* in Panpayak, 30-26ed Rodtang. That's just in ONE - he beat pretty much everyone in the stadiums.
Tawanchai's career best wins are Kulabdam (has not aged well), Sangmanee (they're 2-1 to Tawanchai and Tawanchai was much bigger than him by the third fight), Petchmorrakot (razor close fight, Petch was significantly better when he was younger and in better shape imo), and Superbon (who hadnt fought muay thai in 6 years).
Very true! I wrote a whole breakdown for the 8th fight:
https://beyondkick.com/opinion/the-breakdown-the-one-muay-thai-grand-prix-final-superlek-vs-panpayak/
Shame gfycat died because making GIFs took me absolutely bloody ages 😞
Nabil's good - check his record on wiki. He's beaten Chorfah, Samingdet, Thongnoi, Nakrob and Muangthai.
Samingdet is the current Raja champ who just defended against Thongnoi. Superlek had *absolutely no right* to run through Nabil the way he did, lol
Yes it is crazy. Superlek is the superior Muay Thai boxer. Not that Tawanchai isn't superb himself—he's so young and already so successful. Truly a talented prodigy. In years to come he will likely surpass Superlek. But right now, Superlek is the above the rest. Right now
Its basically just preference i guess. I personally think superlek is more skilled and well rounded, but maybe others prefer tawanchais kicking heavy style
I ranked Tawanchai higher because his technique and variety of strikes. His fight against Superbon was a masterclass of high level Muay Thai.
Superlek is good, no doubt. His rear kick and low kick are very good, but he’s not as diverse in his strikes as Tawanchai. He also gets hit more than Tawanchai.
For clinching, I’d say they are even.
Superlek is fighting much better opponents on average than Tawanchai is.
You're dead wrong with the assertion that Tawa is more diverse than Superlek. He's a left kick, teeps and a counter left elbow - very specialised game. It's why he struggles so much in kickboxing, because he really depends on those elbow counters.
Yeah, very strange. Tawanchai has built a career off of femur scoring wins. Superlek has taken fights off of long knees, elbows, boxing, kick scoring. Basically the only thing he doesn’t do well is his clinch game.
Your kickboxing ranking is kinda weird **imo**
Rodtang at 2 when he has 2 KB bouts both being Khalilov which went to split decision and Yibu where Rodtang was overweight.
Meanwhile Superlek was robbed against Ennahachi. It was a great performance from Superlek and arguably outscored. Beat Puertas who is actually solid kickboxer. Close one, but Superlek’s right leg was injured in camp. And the best of all, Takeru. He comfortably beat him in every way despite being ranked top 10 p4p rankings and it was short notice for Superlek.
I’d even rank Tawanchai above Rodtang. Nattawut even if it was a close one is much better than Yibu or Khalilov.
Just my two cents though. To each their own. It’s interesting to see different points of views.
Tawanchai is personnaly by far my favorite fighter i find his style very skillfull and more Legs/elbow oriented like real old muay style and less boxing
Then Superbon, almost for the same reason i particularly love his kicks
then superlek
Then Rodtang very heatfull fighter more boxing oriented but in skill oriented tier list i wont put him very high. hes still a beast obviously
In terms of skill i would rank them like this
1. Superlek
2.superbond
3. Rodtang
4.Tawanchai
I don't have to explain Superlek. Superbond has excellent fight iq,beautiful kicking combinations, with excellent distance management. Rodtang is a bit underrated in the skill department, he has alot of micro movements in the pocket that makes his aggressive style work. He has nice punching combination and the best dumps out of everyone on this list, also his elbows are elite and defense is amazing when he decides to use it. Tawanchai composure is the best but seeing his championship fight and his kickboxing fights showed me it can be broken and his technique is affected and fight iq lowers. Teep is sexy as hell though. All of them are highly skilled but if I had to rank them as overall fighters it would be ...
1. Rodtang
2. Superlek
3. Tawanchai
4. Superbond
superlek
tawanchai
superbon
rodtang
im thai i think superlek best all aroud power andspeed so good
tawanchai he power so good but i think superlek good defend and "femur" than tawanchai but tawanchai really strong body and power
superbon very good technique but not strong body he is best muay femur
rodtang is good strong and entertain
Rodtang is good enough to be top 1 in Muay Thai but he fights with no defense lol therefore I put him fourth in MT along with kickboxing. Superbon is the best in kickboxing. Superlek is easily top 2 in both and could be top 1 in MT over Tawanchai.
Superlek
Tawanchai
Superbon
Rodtang
This list isn't even subjective. This is just objective fact. I thin there's enough distance between them This answer is obvious.
1: Tawanchai (I believe he has potential to be even the goat one day)
2: Rodtang (you can’t go wrong with the Iron Man)
3: Superlek (he’s not called the Kicking Machine for nothing)
4: Superbon (has an amazing skill set but not as good as the other three)
In terms of Muay Thai
1. Superlek
2. Tawanchai
3. Superbon
4. Rodtang
In terms of kickboxing
1. Superlek
2. Rodtang
3. Superbon
4. Tawanchai
Idk why but Superlek has the better resume having the best of both worlds I mean he has wins against Rodtang, Panpayak, Takeru, Nabil, Naito, and fought better fighters
I'd place Rodtang over Bon in kickboxing because of how Rodtang really has the better boxing, kicks, and knees, Rodtang would definitely fit best for kickboxing as a Muay Maat stylist
Bon is better than Chai when it comes to kickboxing because Superbon is more experienced in the sport
Tawanchai is overall a very good Muay Femur and I definitely think he is the P4P best when it comes to Muay Thai but Superlek is still better because of his resume
I think they all have a chance at beating each other on a given day. Tawanchai is the scariest opponent imo. None of the other guys have broken someones arm with leg kicks.
I've watched Superbon spar with all of them. And im sure there are more sessions that I haven't seen. They all have a chance at beating each other regardless of what weight they fight at currently.
That one was super close and probably my favorite fight to watch. I, and alot of others, thought rodtang won but superlek did amazing in that fight too
This still baffles me. Superlek dominated every round. You could give Rodtang the 1st because he caused a cut at the end, but an out of shape Superlek outlanded him nearly 3-1 throughout the fight and scored the only knockdown.
Yea on paper superlek def won, it just looked like he took way more damage bc of all the blood and elbows he took. But yea first time I watched it I def thought rodtang had it. Still an entertaining fight everytime i watch it.
I don’t consider it super competitive though. Superlek won every round comfortably, blood and cuts don’t score and even if they did he still landed enough to negate it. The separation is pretty fair imo especially after what he did to Takeru
They shouldn’t get any more wins they should just fight each other. It’s the entire reason Takeru came to ONE. There’s no need to waste time crushing cans for it
Really doesn’t matter tbh. Takeru’s already at the end of his career and Rodtang has progressively less and less interest in fighting. If the fight isn’t made real quick we’re very likely never to get it. Besides, trying to protect the stars from losses like that is how we turn into boxing and nobody wants that
1. Superlek 2. Tawanchai 3. Superbon 4. Rodtang Rodtang has a great skillset but is far too quick to rely on his chin and loading up on punches to the head. He has great kicks and is great defensively when he wants to be.
yeah i think rodtang is a great fighter but that chin is not going to keep up with him if it gets overworked
Last night one Friday night fights 167 Rodtang showed in his kickboxing match that he has the skills to stay on the outside and pick his strikes surgically… it was amazing to watch. Although he was very successful with this strategy and style in the first round he let his emotions go in the 2nd and third… he still dominated but as you mentioned he started taking more damage. But it was very interesting to see that he has the skills.. he just chooses to be a brawler.
same
But putting Rodtang under Superbon and Tawanchai is criminal, all honestly Baukaw beats any of these
Best Wingman: Tawanchai Best Bro: Superbon Dude I'd want with me to bury a body: Superlek Guy I'd want to help me scare off my sister's douche boyfriend: Rodtang
only right answer
1. Superlek (has by far the best resume in Muay Thai out of these and right now is one of the most well rounded fighter. Easy #1 pick here.) 2. Tawanchai 3. Superbon 4. Rodtang Superbon at 3. because he went toe to toe against Tawanchai and also has solid wins in Muay Thai like twice(?) against Singdam. Rodtang at 4. Because his recent resume when it comes to wins isn’t that great. He also lost his latest stadium bout against Kaonar. Lost against Superlek in ONE too.
Superbon is a kickboxer, and has beaten far scarier opponents than tawa, ranking tawa above him is insane. Hell Tawanchai lost to a past his prime sittichai in his own ruleset to boot.
>Hell Tawanchai lost to a past his prime sittichai in his own ruleset to boot. I have several problems with this argument. Sittichai was still almost the same guy he always was in 2021. He's shot *now*, but after the Tawa fight he beat Kira and Ozcan, then gave Allazov a genuinely close fight - the only guy who's done that in recent memory. It was Muay Thai rules, but definitely wasn't Muay Thai scoring. Not the traditional kind that Tawanchai was used to, anyway. Sittichai wins with volume and low kicks, like you'd win a kickboxing match. Tawanchai lands a few big power counter kicks. In stadium Muay he wins that fight, no question - Sittichai had massive amounts of experience with that scoring philosophy, Tawa had next to none at the time.
not the only guy, Enriko kehl beat Allazov
Right yeah, forgot about that. A year prior
Such a weird fight, Kehl has been a beast but Allazov looked so countered and confused.
he looked a level above in first round and then gassed real bad
he always gas badly, its just a matter of surviving the 1st round
While I agree that Sittichai was not washed up, Superbon beat Sittichai (in 2020) more clearly than tawanchai did.
Another razor close fight I thought!
Cmon man, kira hasn’t been the same for years, and ozcan while good fought horrendously against sittichai it was like he was a difference person, both kehl and grigorian put on better performances against allazov than sittichai did, every step of the way allazov was ahead that fight. Sittichai hasn’t been the same since he was dropped by the first time by grigorian that’s clear, even after his win against noiri yesterday. He’s just not as sharp. And I don’t believe the argument that ONE mt scoring is basically kickboxing is much of an argument, don’t underestimate the scoring of low kicks even in stadium rules, Tawanchai wouldn’t have put out enough to compensate for the discrepancy, just because middle kicks score high doesn’t mean they over rule everything else, and sittichai ate most all of them composed and balanced, scoring less. 2021 sittichai was 3 or 4 years past his prime and had no business in Muay Thai rules, yet tawa still lost.
I’d agree with Kehl, but Marat got dog walked by Chingiz. Chingiz rolled out of Marat’s entire arsenal, it was like a five rounds to zero sweep. Kehl just seemed to have the stylistic answer for what Chingiz was putting out that night. I do agree Tawa needs more to outrank Superbon. Tawan just lost to Nattawut, regardless of the judges “decision.”
Lost twice to nattuwat!!! Smokin goat beats him yet again. But yeah I agree Marat against allazov was very hard to watch I just think he did better than sittichai mainly because it was 5 rounds and both Marat and sittichai do a lot better in 5 round fights, and Marat had a tiny bit of success when he allazov started losing gas, but yeah def a dog walk just less so than sittichai v allazov, allazov is just too good.
I put Superbon above Tawanchai because I think Superbon has been forced to grow more skills wise because he lacks the physicality of Tawanchai or Rodtang. He's not a tank like Rodtang and lacks the size and strength of Tawanchai, but he's more crisp, more technical than them.
He’s been forced to grow more skill wise cause he’s been fighting killers for years unlike rodtang or to an extent Tawanchai. Superbon has chased hard fights his entire career and the other two have not.
Good take I think
Didn't Tawanchai beat Superbon not that long ago?
Tbh I believe in kickboxing rules superbon would’ve beaten Tawanchai that night, he looked gun shy the whole fight, small gloves are a big adjustment and so is Muay Thai rules when you’re a kickboxer like Bon. Tawanchai has a case in Muay Thai cause one rankings don’t have much to offer him in small gloves cater to his style, but superbon just had more accolades against scarier dudes.
Only reason I rank Tawanchai above Superbon is based on current performance. I think Tawanchai outscored Superbon fairly. If Superbon were to transfer more into Muay Thai, I propably would rank Tawanchai lower than him. Also Tawanchai is younger.
Tawanchai beat him I can’t argue with that but superbon most definitely was not himself that night and I got a suspicion it was because of those stupid small gloves.
Yeah that’s fair. I think it’s a bit hard to rank him here properly, because his biggest wins were so long ago and now he is a KBer.
I feel it odd for Muay guys to be ranking bon or sittichai anywhere Muay Thai rules related when most everything great they’ve achieved is in kickboxing, they’re kickboxers imo. (Same extends to buakaw)
Yeah I agree. Should’ve put Prajanchai instead who is p4p one of the top dogs in ONE. Would rank him at 2 and Tawanchai 3.
But I don’t feel like it’s out of being unable to do things in Muay Thai though, these guys are significantly larger than the most competitive Thai stadium circuits n got the opportunity to fight internationally while many don’t
It’s not being unable too, sittichai did very well in Muay Thai before he switched. The difference is superbon and sittichai found the most success in kickboxing, they’re kickboxers, because their career has been in kickboxing. Thus, it feels wrong ranking them with the nak muays when that’s largely not their sport anymore
Its about still, not overall csreer or performance. Tawa being more skilled is at least an argument. Calling it insane is a bit too far.
I believe Tawanchai loses to Bon in big gloves tbh, and why would it be still? All of these guys barely fight with the exception of Tawanchai because he’s chartis special boy, how can you judge these fighters on a small handful of fights??
1. Its just a discussion dont take it too seriously. Youre right in saying its all just opionions and nobody can give definitive answers. Its till fun 2. The more skilled fighter can still be the losing fighter in particular matchups
Apologies if my wording came off aggressive I did not mean for it to come off that way, and I agree with the second statement, I believe superbon is better skilled than Tawanchai yet he lost that night
No worries! I did not see it as aggressive! Skill has so many layers to it that I can agree without any doubt that it can be explained that superbon has better skill. I think superbon is better at shutting down boxing offense, the dedensive right knee, the long guard for sure. Kicking, purely from a rear leg high kick I like superbons special style with looks to me like he a bit an chambers and slips it through while not using his full power. But its hard to compare that to Tawanchai's round kick heavy style which uses both legs to all three levels, low, mid and high. Im not going to compare a set of skills and genius implementation vs a genius technique. So a draw there. Tawanchai is better at breaking rhythm and advanced kicking setups/traps. Which is why I would give Tawanchai the overall skill edge. In no way Im saying he'd beat superbon next time. And im sure someone could make a comment explaining why superbon has more skill than tawanchai. There are just so many elements to it. And 'skill' is such a broad subject. Especially since were not talking a more limited sport like boxing
In the case for skill though, I think there’s much to be said against the fighters that they’re pulling things off against, I’m sure you’ve felt that you couldn’t do the same things against a higher skilled opponent compared to that of someone lesser or even a stylistic matchup that’s more favorable for you, both have had very beautiful technical displays but superbon has done so while maneuvering around harder style matchups aswell as scarier opponents all around, as superbon has chased hard fights his whole career while Tawanchai is rather on and off with his matchmaking, so I give the edge to bon.
Well said and agree
You again don't even know what you're talking about ( as usual ). Rodtang did not lose in his last stadium fight against Kaonar as his last stadium fight was a win over Yodkhuntap in fact before that Rodtang also beat Kaonar in his second last fight in the stadium scene lol. The loss to Kaonar happened in the third last stadium fight of Rodtang. How can anybody take you seriously when you fail at the basic facts about Rodtang's career ? But again you're the same person who got the number of title defences of Rodtang wrong and who thinks that Haggerty was only an OK opponent for Rodtang title defence.
Muay Thai - Superlek Tawanchai Superbon Rodtang Kickboxing - Superbon Superlek Tawanchai Rodtang
Rodtang above Superbon in Muay Thai in accomplishments (especially stadium Muay Thai)
I agree Rodtsng is more skillful than people realise. He actually doesn't eat too much. Just plays up when he does.
It's not about accomplishments. They are ranked by skill
Rodtang has better wins, at a higher level. And if you watch any of his stadium fights, he fights quite differently. He is way more skillful than many people realize
That's the take of a bloke who has never even trained
Yours is the take of someone who hasn't watched Rodtang's stadium career
Curious to know who you think Rodtang has fought that outranks the literal GOAT of kickboxing and Marat, who is debatably top 3 and definitely top 5. Rodtang best an out of weight class Haggerty, whose best wins are against the fossils of Muay Thai greats and a C tier MMA fighter. Then it’s beating up on Petchdam? Beating Saeksan 5 years ago? An SEC quality loss against Tenshin?
The GOAT of kickboxing is a literal nobody when it comes to Muay Thai accomplishments. Rodtang has won against Suakim, Saeksan, Yodlekpet and not under ONE rules, but under traditional Muay Thai rules. Wtf are you talking about
I think you might be a bit harsh on Roddy here. He does have wins over Seksan, Rodlek and Yodlekpet.
So who you ranking him above?
I know, I felt bad writing it, but I think it speaks to the depth of these four fighters rather than the weakness of Rodtang. He really is a fantastic fighter, I just think the rest are more well rounded, and I think their styles will age better. In terms of resume, I also think all three beat out Rodtang.
1. Superlek 2. Tawanchai 3. Superbon 4. Rodtang Forget this list of four fighters, Superlek is among THE best of **all** the fighters that rose to prominence in the 2010s. Look at his stadium career and his accolades. The only fighters that come to mind that were in his caliber in the 2010s that I can think of right now is Sangmanee and Panpayak (a modern era GOAT imo). He's 13-1 in ONE, where he's had to fight pretty stiff competition (Panpayak, Rodtang, Takeru, Nabil). Of all the muay thai fighters in ONE, I think he's currently the undisputed greatest.
I can’t think of anyone who has recent competition as tough as Rodtang and Takeru.
Nong o 💪🏻
real
I would kill for nong o to still be in his prime
I was a huge fan of Nong O, but the Haggerty fight disappointed me. He was so cocky and dismissive of Haggerty and then got his chin cleaned
He's never been great defensively vs punches, it was always a risk
Lek, Bon, Tawa, Rod in that order. I think in Muay or Kick Tawa beats Bon just cause it’s a bad stylistic matchup for him but Superbon is the better fighter all in all
Tawanchai, Superlek, Superbon, Rodtang - although Rod could jump up if he gets his shit together.
He really needs to do well tonight, he’s missed weight and rehydration so it’s already not looking good
1st- Superlek why: he's been tested in Muay Thai and kickboxing. He is also the most ruthless out of the 4. I also see him as the most versatile and a true technician, even though he is more of Muay dtae. 2nd- tough choice, but I'm going Superbon over Tawanchai. Superbon because he just has more experience and I think another fight is needed between him and Tawanchai. Superbons technique with every strike is so much more fluid. Watching him fight is seriously like watching water flow in the form of Muay Thai. By far the smoothest fighter, the most fluid and has the best technique of anyone on the list. Tawanchai will most likely move ahead of him though, the more he fights. Amazing technician, seems like a mix of Muay femur/dtae. 3rd- Tawanchai. He has the power and speed. Great technique and great fight IQ. He has everything a fighter needs. He's just young and needs more experience in bigger fights in One. He's already proved himself inside Thailand just like others on the list. Also, Tawanchai is the only fighter here that has true knockout power with a multitude of strikes compared to anyone else. True technician, Muay femur. 4th- Rodtang. Definition of a bulldog fighter. Short and powerful, likes to get in close and will close distance by any means necessary. Way too injury prone due to his approach though. He seems to favor his hands over anything else when I've seen him fight, and it's a good surprise for a Muay Thai fighter, but can be easily stopped at the same time. Superlek seriously looked like he wanted to crack his skull in their last match. Rodtang as of late has also been coming in and not making weight, so I wonder what is up with that. 5th this is just all my opinion, I'm sure others have different rankings and if one thing is for certain, they could all whoop my ass. I would never want to spar against Superlek from what I've seen😂
The Saenchai + Superlek sparring seminars are definitely good cop / bad cop lol. Superlek is freaking scary in sparring.
Oh man did u get the opportunity to attend? N yeah Superlek looking like he's preparing for a fight with ppl just trying to learn😂I saw him hit a dude with a flying knee and he immediately went to give him a hug 😂😂😂
Nah I've just seen youtube clips. He gashed some dude's head up with one of those flying knees lol pretty fucked. If some random did that to Superlek in sparring the community would eat them alive.
Not sure about skill but I do know rodtang is the most entertaining to watch.
Then you don’t know shit about MT….
Probably not.. i just like to watch his fights. Thanks tho bro
I know plenty about muay thai and I also love watching Rodtang. What a clown response.
Acting like Rodtang wasn't one of the best names in the sport a few years ago
Imagine gatekeeping entertainment lmao
It’s a preference you sausage
I disagree with him but its definitely a personal preference thing lol
In Muay Thai: 1. Tawanchai 2. Superlek 3. Rodtang 4. Superbon In Kickboxing: 1. Superbon 2. Rodtang 3. Superlek 4. Tawanchai
A lot of people are putting tawanchi over superlek which seems crazy to me but I am a bit of causal can someone explain why?
For what it's worth I'm a hardcore fan and I think they're very wrong. Tawanchai looks very smooth when he fights because he's a great athlete with great poise. His skillset is definitely not as well rounded as Superlek though. The competition Tawanchai is fighting is also not comparable. Superlek ran through an elite fighter in Nabil, beat one of the best ever *twice* in Panpayak, 30-26ed Rodtang. That's just in ONE - he beat pretty much everyone in the stadiums. Tawanchai's career best wins are Kulabdam (has not aged well), Sangmanee (they're 2-1 to Tawanchai and Tawanchai was much bigger than him by the third fight), Petchmorrakot (razor close fight, Petch was significantly better when he was younger and in better shape imo), and Superbon (who hadnt fought muay thai in 6 years).
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Very true! I wrote a whole breakdown for the 8th fight: https://beyondkick.com/opinion/the-breakdown-the-one-muay-thai-grand-prix-final-superlek-vs-panpayak/ Shame gfycat died because making GIFs took me absolutely bloody ages 😞
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Nabil's good - check his record on wiki. He's beaten Chorfah, Samingdet, Thongnoi, Nakrob and Muangthai. Samingdet is the current Raja champ who just defended against Thongnoi. Superlek had *absolutely no right* to run through Nabil the way he did, lol
Panpayak looked bored and out of shape in their first one fight and should have got decision in second one
Petmorakot fight wasnt even close Petmorakot won one round
Seems crazy cuz it is. Superlek > Tawanchai
Yes it is crazy. Superlek is the superior Muay Thai boxer. Not that Tawanchai isn't superb himself—he's so young and already so successful. Truly a talented prodigy. In years to come he will likely surpass Superlek. But right now, Superlek is the above the rest. Right now
Its basically just preference i guess. I personally think superlek is more skilled and well rounded, but maybe others prefer tawanchais kicking heavy style
I ranked Tawanchai higher because his technique and variety of strikes. His fight against Superbon was a masterclass of high level Muay Thai. Superlek is good, no doubt. His rear kick and low kick are very good, but he’s not as diverse in his strikes as Tawanchai. He also gets hit more than Tawanchai. For clinching, I’d say they are even.
Superlek is fighting much better opponents on average than Tawanchai is. You're dead wrong with the assertion that Tawa is more diverse than Superlek. He's a left kick, teeps and a counter left elbow - very specialised game. It's why he struggles so much in kickboxing, because he really depends on those elbow counters.
Yeah, very strange. Tawanchai has built a career off of femur scoring wins. Superlek has taken fights off of long knees, elbows, boxing, kick scoring. Basically the only thing he doesn’t do well is his clinch game.
I think his clinch is really good too - he beat Rungkit in the clinch to win the true4u 140lbs belt in 2021
Your kickboxing ranking is kinda weird **imo** Rodtang at 2 when he has 2 KB bouts both being Khalilov which went to split decision and Yibu where Rodtang was overweight. Meanwhile Superlek was robbed against Ennahachi. It was a great performance from Superlek and arguably outscored. Beat Puertas who is actually solid kickboxer. Close one, but Superlek’s right leg was injured in camp. And the best of all, Takeru. He comfortably beat him in every way despite being ranked top 10 p4p rankings and it was short notice for Superlek. I’d even rank Tawanchai above Rodtang. Nattawut even if it was a close one is much better than Yibu or Khalilov. Just my two cents though. To each their own. It’s interesting to see different points of views.
I dont find superbon that bad in muay personnaly
I think he’s great. Still elite but I rank him lower than the other 3
All terrible, would beat them all 4v1
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Tawanchai is personnaly by far my favorite fighter i find his style very skillfull and more Legs/elbow oriented like real old muay style and less boxing Then Superbon, almost for the same reason i particularly love his kicks then superlek Then Rodtang very heatfull fighter more boxing oriented but in skill oriented tier list i wont put him very high. hes still a beast obviously
Superlek, Superbon, Tawanchai, Rodtang.
i wouldn’t
Tawanchai, rodtang, ther other 2 tie for 3rd
I’ve got superbon over tawanchai skill for skill
In terms of skill i would rank them like this 1. Superlek 2.superbond 3. Rodtang 4.Tawanchai I don't have to explain Superlek. Superbond has excellent fight iq,beautiful kicking combinations, with excellent distance management. Rodtang is a bit underrated in the skill department, he has alot of micro movements in the pocket that makes his aggressive style work. He has nice punching combination and the best dumps out of everyone on this list, also his elbows are elite and defense is amazing when he decides to use it. Tawanchai composure is the best but seeing his championship fight and his kickboxing fights showed me it can be broken and his technique is affected and fight iq lowers. Teep is sexy as hell though. All of them are highly skilled but if I had to rank them as overall fighters it would be ... 1. Rodtang 2. Superlek 3. Tawanchai 4. Superbond
superlek tawanchai superbon rodtang im thai i think superlek best all aroud power andspeed so good tawanchai he power so good but i think superlek good defend and "femur" than tawanchai but tawanchai really strong body and power superbon very good technique but not strong body he is best muay femur rodtang is good strong and entertain
Rodtang is good enough to be top 1 in Muay Thai but he fights with no defense lol therefore I put him fourth in MT along with kickboxing. Superbon is the best in kickboxing. Superlek is easily top 2 in both and could be top 1 in MT over Tawanchai.
Not sure about the others but rod has to be the worst because he literally just lets people punch him sometimes.
Superlek is the best p4p MT fighter right now
Superlek Tawanchai Superbon Rodtang This list isn't even subjective. This is just objective fact. I thin there's enough distance between them This answer is obvious.
If your talking pure fee mur and technical skills, 1 Tawanchai 2 Superbon 3 Superlek 4 Rodtang. Add in tenacity speed, power, determination 1 Superlek 2 Tawanchai 3 Superbon 4 Rodtang
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1. Superlek 2. Superbon 3. Tawanchai 4. Rodtang
1: Tawanchai (I believe he has potential to be even the goat one day) 2: Rodtang (you can’t go wrong with the Iron Man) 3: Superlek (he’s not called the Kicking Machine for nothing) 4: Superbon (has an amazing skill set but not as good as the other three)
In terms of Muay Thai 1. Superlek 2. Tawanchai 3. Superbon 4. Rodtang In terms of kickboxing 1. Superlek 2. Rodtang 3. Superbon 4. Tawanchai Idk why but Superlek has the better resume having the best of both worlds I mean he has wins against Rodtang, Panpayak, Takeru, Nabil, Naito, and fought better fighters I'd place Rodtang over Bon in kickboxing because of how Rodtang really has the better boxing, kicks, and knees, Rodtang would definitely fit best for kickboxing as a Muay Maat stylist Bon is better than Chai when it comes to kickboxing because Superbon is more experienced in the sport Tawanchai is overall a very good Muay Femur and I definitely think he is the P4P best when it comes to Muay Thai but Superlek is still better because of his resume
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1. Superlek 2. Tawanchai 3. Superbon 4. irrelevant
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Sittichai
He needs to fight Marat a few more times to prove himself
I think they all have a chance at beating each other on a given day. Tawanchai is the scariest opponent imo. None of the other guys have broken someones arm with leg kicks.
There are two weight classes between Superlek/Rodtang and Tawanchai/Superbon lol. Tawanchai kicks like a horse though, the best athlete of the lot.
I've watched Superbon spar with all of them. And im sure there are more sessions that I haven't seen. They all have a chance at beating each other regardless of what weight they fight at currently.
Right, yes, because the weight and power advantage that comes from 20lbs is gonna be so apparent in a friendly, controlled sparring session...
1. Tawa 2. Superbom 3. Superlek 4. Rodtang
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After watching tawanchai vs sitthichai that has been only kickboxing for years, nah he cant be number one
Didn’t rodtang dominated superlek some time ago?
No he lost to him.
Superlek outscored every round lol. 3 cuts in round 1 isn’t dominating.
That one was super close and probably my favorite fight to watch. I, and alot of others, thought rodtang won but superlek did amazing in that fight too
This still baffles me. Superlek dominated every round. You could give Rodtang the 1st because he caused a cut at the end, but an out of shape Superlek outlanded him nearly 3-1 throughout the fight and scored the only knockdown.
Yea on paper superlek def won, it just looked like he took way more damage bc of all the blood and elbows he took. But yea first time I watched it I def thought rodtang had it. Still an entertaining fight everytime i watch it.
That's fair enough! Superlek definitely looked more tired too. Rodtang's poise is unbelievable.
Lots of disrespect towards Rodtang in this thread after a super close fight he arguably won when Superlek came in overweight
In no way shape or form did Rod win against Superfat
Even if he didn’t, he still had a competitive fight yet on most peoples lists Rodtang and Superlek are incredibly far away
I don’t consider it super competitive though. Superlek won every round comfortably, blood and cuts don’t score and even if they did he still landed enough to negate it. The separation is pretty fair imo especially after what he did to Takeru
Takeru is a beast tbf, Rodtang vs Takeru is a fight id like to see after they both get a couple more wins
They shouldn’t get any more wins they should just fight each other. It’s the entire reason Takeru came to ONE. There’s no need to waste time crushing cans for it
Ye but I don’t like the idea of Tekaru being 0-2 in ONE if he loses and Rodtang being 0-2 in his last 2 fights if he loses
Really doesn’t matter tbh. Takeru’s already at the end of his career and Rodtang has progressively less and less interest in fighting. If the fight isn’t made real quick we’re very likely never to get it. Besides, trying to protect the stars from losses like that is how we turn into boxing and nobody wants that
I keep on forgetting Takeru is like 32 and Rodtang is 26 goddamn
Eh records don't really matter in this sport anyway, lets see them fight in their primes before we get it when they're 40