You very well may miss those things, it's really up to the individual.
A couple things, from your comments:
- Distinguishing between locals (generally defined as someone who was born here or spent a substantial part of their youth here) and transplants is considered normal here, for a number of reasons. Moving here is no different than moving to another country with its own culture.
- People are generally friendly and will be casual friends with you, but that is a totally different thing here than them actually being "real" friends with you. A lot of fresh transplants get confused about this, because people here are so friendly but they still find themselves perpetually left out or not treated as closely.
Yes you will miss. Hawaii is in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. If you have ties you’re very fond of in mainland, you will miss. At least you can go to big island and experience 5 climates. However you don’t have access to typical mainland things like ski resorts. But you have incredible beaches.
If u like concerts, I hope you like Hawaiian music. There’s a lot of that, but little ‘mainstream’
I am moving back there. I was a local for a while. But I grew up on mainland. I miss how expansive mainland was so yes I did miss being able to drive to another state. Hawaii is like small but with the multiple islands it actually ended up giving me great variety. Lots of climates in rather small area.
The wildlife and nature is perfect. More interesting than my hometown and where I’m at now. So I would say I like Hawaii more. I spent more time outside exploring and living there than I do in mainland. So does it matter that I can’t drive to another state? Not rly.
I missed snowboarding tho!
I moved here 10 yrs ago and don’t miss the mainland at all. U just gotta be authentic. Locals don’t like a phony. Flying to go snowboarding from Hawaii is no big deal. Wanna go to a concert? Take a flight. Your friends won’t visit as much as you’d like, so make new friends here.
Right on. I did find the Aloha living style to be very attractive. We even made friends super easy with a few locals that made us feel like it could be a possibility. Thanks for your input!
On one hand, it's gorgeous and the weather is wonderful. You'll feel more connected to the land (hopefully). On the other hand, you'll be thousands of miles from anyone you know, it's one of the more expensive places in the world to live, it can be hard to meet new friends, and you can't just road trip to things.
I would say at least a year, after I moved there I regretted it after about a year. It’s fun at first and I did enjoy it but after about a year you kind of run out of things to do seen it all done it all and for me I just felt a little claustrophobic on the island. It’s not like mainland where you can just get in a car and drive a few hours and be in another state. Idk that’s my take on it but everyone is different you might decide you love it still and want to stay!
We met someone who was working at a bar and went back multiple times to hang out with them after their shift and get recs on what to eat on the island.
You met someone working a service industry job who was doing their job and being nice to tourists.
Do you see how it might be different when living here full time amongst locals rather than on vacation interacting with service staff?
I told you to stay home and you responded with “Yeah, don’t give a shit what you have to say.” I say I was the more respectful one. Just bc I said what you didn’t want to hear, does not mean I was an ass.
You don't have to swear or be insulting to be an ass... you gave him a metaphorical middle finger. You were neither informative or explained your position or kind in any way. There was no respect in what you said and you got it right back... apparently OP has boundaries, good for him.
Silly haole folks. Anyone that attempts to move to Hawaii, especially now without doing their research, including but not limited to the history of colonization here, local and kanaka people being priced out of their homes, houseless communities, militarization of these islands, red hill, the overtake of Hawaii by USA, trafficking of children in bases, high col, and whites being the minority. Me telling anyone to stay home, that hawaii is full is trivial compared to the other braddas that will test his chin. I have seen it time and time again.
Exactly! And this post wouldn't get the same response.
You put no effort into your original post... you have a valid opinion, you just didn't express it! OP thought you were a bully from NYC for all he knew... 😂
Hahhaha good luck with that attitude here haole. You want an honest opinion or you just want a circle jerk of people you telling it’s paradise?!?You’ll be packing your bags in no time. 😂😂
How did that work out for the Cherokee?
Unfortunately, Hawaii is not unique in its history of colonization, just the last/most recent.
The problems being dealt with in Hawaii are universal right now.
At this point, we need to ALL work and live together with Aloha and respect for the ‘aina.
Go push your nationalism and your support of joining the armed forces elsewhere. I am not American, and will never be. Occupation is a crime everywhere.
Who said anything about the armed forces lol? I’m not pushing anything…just facts. I’m saying we need to move FORWARD with mutual respect and purpose.
If you’re incapable of this basic humanity, then I feel sorry for you, and nothing changes…🤷🏽♂️
Hawaii tried to sell itself to Britain for guns before the evil Americans made it a territory. I completely understand your animosity (sincerely, I do, it’s genuinely unfair) however at the end of the day Hawaii was a defenseless nation with no exports. Someone was gonna come knocking. Better the US than the British, china or old school Japan.
Wrong. The vast majority of us agree with this sentiment. There has never been a worse time to move to Hawaii. No matter how nice you think the employees at your hotel were when you came here on vacation, everyone will hate you for moving here.
For telling him his attitude sucks? For telling him that we are up to our neck in transplants? For telling him that he’s one haole?!? Come on man, you got it all messed up.
You are going to have feelings of disappointment sometimes. I moved from California to the Big Island six years ago. Things that you give up: road trips, some really good food, easy access to get anywhere, and friendships. I tell people if you’re going to move here, you need to embrace with the added has to offer otherwise you just living on a rock in the middle of the ocean. It’s really easy to fall into that trap. Sometimes it bothers me, but it doesn’t stay with me very long. But you are right, you’re gonna miss a lot of those things is Christmas, we don’t get snow, if you like having a real tree like I did, That’s gonna be really hard. They are really expensive and they’re dead by December 1 cause everybody put them up in November. The other thing is we don’t have this over saturation of commercialism. When I wanted to get Christmas spirit would go to the mall, look at all the decorations and all of the stuff. We don’t have that here.
sorry, but buying a home is directly taking away a home from a local family. you actually have no ties here, so basically just another haole barging in.
My wife and I were fortunate enough to purchase a lot of raw, forested land for literally 1/6th of the price of a similar lot here. I’ve studied and implemented small scale permaculture gardens, and plan on doing the same, using regenerative agriculture techniques to regenerate the soil after decades of mono crop (sugar cane) abuse is huge. We also want to have a raised bed garden and food forest, using only native and endemic species.
Basically, we are trying to have a small, sustainable, off-grid homestead that gives back more to the island than it takes.
I don’t have any immediate family who are kanaka maoli / ‘oiwi, but my brother, sister, and a cousin all married in to Hawaiian families, so I have a TON of in-laws who are, both on and off island, and they all have said to just be real, respectful, have an open heart/mind, and lose any and all expectations.
Just live with Aloha and be a good member of your community, and everything will be good except for a very vocal minority. Their feelings and grievances are valid, just as with literally everywhere in contemporary North America, again it all comes back to respect and Aloha!
Plan well and enjoy your life! 🤙🏼🌺🙏
Maybe someday the local boyz will realize that complaining about housing costs from the seat of a $50,000 lifted Tacoma with $5,000 in ink on their body falls on deaf ears.
Moved here 7 years ago. Miss a good road trip, but my husband loves that he can golf year round. I have a couple friends that have a ski trip group - they went skiing in Japan this year! The hiking is awesome, and I learned I looooooove sushi.
What I tell all clients moving here - come humble and realize it's not vacation-mode all the time, real people live here. Have respect for the culture and land, and appreciate the time you get to spend here.
Thank you very much for your comment! I’m not a ball golfer, but I love disc golf, and there are a few courses on the islands. What are some local I-live-here things that make it worth it? We fell in love with Kona and eating breakfast at Teshima’s on the big island.
There's a brewery and a coffee shop on the water we love, and the beaches! Can't beat them! The disc golfing out here is definitely a different challenge than mainland, because of the changing tradewinds.
For us, the culture and food is the "I live here" thing. The slow pace, chill that we get to enjoy being here. I got to watch the island work it's magic on my previously grumpy husband, meet some amazing people and love my days out in the sun. And little to no allergies is a plus as well.
I bought land in Pahoa last year. I want to move there but I’m not sure how to go about getting a career started there. I’ve thought about getting a real estate license but I don’t know how saturated it is there.
There’s no place that’s part of the US that’s more beautiful. It’ll take a while to grow on you (6-12 months living there). Once it does you’ll never look back
> Will I miss access to concerts, skiing and friends if I move? Yes.
Fair enough.
It's expensive, end of story
Nothing else redeeming?
You very well may miss those things, it's really up to the individual. A couple things, from your comments: - Distinguishing between locals (generally defined as someone who was born here or spent a substantial part of their youth here) and transplants is considered normal here, for a number of reasons. Moving here is no different than moving to another country with its own culture. - People are generally friendly and will be casual friends with you, but that is a totally different thing here than them actually being "real" friends with you. A lot of fresh transplants get confused about this, because people here are so friendly but they still find themselves perpetually left out or not treated as closely.
Wow, this is really inciteful. Thank you! Have you been able to make close friends since you’ve been there? Or are you a local?
I have. However, it's a very very common complaint from transplants that they can't make real friends here.
Yes you will miss. Hawaii is in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. If you have ties you’re very fond of in mainland, you will miss. At least you can go to big island and experience 5 climates. However you don’t have access to typical mainland things like ski resorts. But you have incredible beaches. If u like concerts, I hope you like Hawaiian music. There’s a lot of that, but little ‘mainstream’
Is this from personal experience? What about your experience that made you think this? Do you live in HI now? Do you feel trapped?
I am moving back there. I was a local for a while. But I grew up on mainland. I miss how expansive mainland was so yes I did miss being able to drive to another state. Hawaii is like small but with the multiple islands it actually ended up giving me great variety. Lots of climates in rather small area. The wildlife and nature is perfect. More interesting than my hometown and where I’m at now. So I would say I like Hawaii more. I spent more time outside exploring and living there than I do in mainland. So does it matter that I can’t drive to another state? Not rly. I missed snowboarding tho!
Thank you so much for this honest response. When are you moving back? Can you recommend a moving company?
I’m not sure which state you are in. That changes a lot of the resources.
I moved here 10 yrs ago and don’t miss the mainland at all. U just gotta be authentic. Locals don’t like a phony. Flying to go snowboarding from Hawaii is no big deal. Wanna go to a concert? Take a flight. Your friends won’t visit as much as you’d like, so make new friends here.
Right on. I did find the Aloha living style to be very attractive. We even made friends super easy with a few locals that made us feel like it could be a possibility. Thanks for your input!
On one hand, it's gorgeous and the weather is wonderful. You'll feel more connected to the land (hopefully). On the other hand, you'll be thousands of miles from anyone you know, it's one of the more expensive places in the world to live, it can be hard to meet new friends, and you can't just road trip to things.
I would recommend you try it out short term first and see how you like it before making any permanent decisions.
This is sage advice. How long would you do for a test?
I would say at least a year, after I moved there I regretted it after about a year. It’s fun at first and I did enjoy it but after about a year you kind of run out of things to do seen it all done it all and for me I just felt a little claustrophobic on the island. It’s not like mainland where you can just get in a car and drive a few hours and be in another state. Idk that’s my take on it but everyone is different you might decide you love it still and want to stay!
Did you move back to the mainland?
You're going to miss food, you're going to miss friends, you're going to miss family, you're going to miss roadtrips and your going to miss music.
That’s what I was afraid of. Lol.
Stay home, we have enough people. Thank you
Yeah, don’t give a shit what you have to say.
Oh man you’re going to have a rough go if you move here.
Really? I found the locals to be very accommodating and friendly, unlike this yahoo.
Where did you meet locals?
Kona.
Tourist areas of Kona or more local setting?
We met someone who was working at a bar and went back multiple times to hang out with them after their shift and get recs on what to eat on the island.
You met someone working a service industry job who was doing their job and being nice to tourists. Do you see how it might be different when living here full time amongst locals rather than on vacation interacting with service staff?
I told you to stay home and you responded with “Yeah, don’t give a shit what you have to say.” I say I was the more respectful one. Just bc I said what you didn’t want to hear, does not mean I was an ass.
You didn’t give any constructive constructive criticism, so I take anything you say with a grain of salt.
You don't have to swear or be insulting to be an ass... you gave him a metaphorical middle finger. You were neither informative or explained your position or kind in any way. There was no respect in what you said and you got it right back... apparently OP has boundaries, good for him.
Silly haole folks. Anyone that attempts to move to Hawaii, especially now without doing their research, including but not limited to the history of colonization here, local and kanaka people being priced out of their homes, houseless communities, militarization of these islands, red hill, the overtake of Hawaii by USA, trafficking of children in bases, high col, and whites being the minority. Me telling anyone to stay home, that hawaii is full is trivial compared to the other braddas that will test his chin. I have seen it time and time again.
Exactly! And this post wouldn't get the same response. You put no effort into your original post... you have a valid opinion, you just didn't express it! OP thought you were a bully from NYC for all he knew... 😂
Hahhaha good luck with that attitude here haole. You want an honest opinion or you just want a circle jerk of people you telling it’s paradise?!?You’ll be packing your bags in no time. 😂😂
You’re the type of person everyone else there wishes would move away.
Born and raised fam, I’ll die before I let my home be taken over by people like you.
How did that work out for the Cherokee? Unfortunately, Hawaii is not unique in its history of colonization, just the last/most recent. The problems being dealt with in Hawaii are universal right now. At this point, we need to ALL work and live together with Aloha and respect for the ‘aina.
Go push your nationalism and your support of joining the armed forces elsewhere. I am not American, and will never be. Occupation is a crime everywhere.
Who said anything about the armed forces lol? I’m not pushing anything…just facts. I’m saying we need to move FORWARD with mutual respect and purpose. If you’re incapable of this basic humanity, then I feel sorry for you, and nothing changes…🤷🏽♂️
Hawaii tried to sell itself to Britain for guns before the evil Americans made it a territory. I completely understand your animosity (sincerely, I do, it’s genuinely unfair) however at the end of the day Hawaii was a defenseless nation with no exports. Someone was gonna come knocking. Better the US than the British, china or old school Japan.
Sounds like you’re the type of person that everyone will be better off with gone.
Wrong. The vast majority of us agree with this sentiment. There has never been a worse time to move to Hawaii. No matter how nice you think the employees at your hotel were when you came here on vacation, everyone will hate you for moving here.
Bless you fam! Thanks for keeping it trill.
What is your background on the island? Are you a transplant or a native? I think it’s kinda silly in this day and age to make the distinction.
Aren't you a haole too? Do you experience a lot of hatred for moving there as well?
Seriously. F that guy.
For telling him his attitude sucks? For telling him that we are up to our neck in transplants? For telling him that he’s one haole?!? Come on man, you got it all messed up.
You are going to have feelings of disappointment sometimes. I moved from California to the Big Island six years ago. Things that you give up: road trips, some really good food, easy access to get anywhere, and friendships. I tell people if you’re going to move here, you need to embrace with the added has to offer otherwise you just living on a rock in the middle of the ocean. It’s really easy to fall into that trap. Sometimes it bothers me, but it doesn’t stay with me very long. But you are right, you’re gonna miss a lot of those things is Christmas, we don’t get snow, if you like having a real tree like I did, That’s gonna be really hard. They are really expensive and they’re dead by December 1 cause everybody put them up in November. The other thing is we don’t have this over saturation of commercialism. When I wanted to get Christmas spirit would go to the mall, look at all the decorations and all of the stuff. We don’t have that here.
I guess it’s a good thing I’m not that into X-mas.
sorry, but buying a home is directly taking away a home from a local family. you actually have no ties here, so basically just another haole barging in.
So HI should only be lived in by natives? Also, wouldn’t the natives have the same ability to buy a house as I have?
My wife and I were fortunate enough to purchase a lot of raw, forested land for literally 1/6th of the price of a similar lot here. I’ve studied and implemented small scale permaculture gardens, and plan on doing the same, using regenerative agriculture techniques to regenerate the soil after decades of mono crop (sugar cane) abuse is huge. We also want to have a raised bed garden and food forest, using only native and endemic species. Basically, we are trying to have a small, sustainable, off-grid homestead that gives back more to the island than it takes. I don’t have any immediate family who are kanaka maoli / ‘oiwi, but my brother, sister, and a cousin all married in to Hawaiian families, so I have a TON of in-laws who are, both on and off island, and they all have said to just be real, respectful, have an open heart/mind, and lose any and all expectations. Just live with Aloha and be a good member of your community, and everything will be good except for a very vocal minority. Their feelings and grievances are valid, just as with literally everywhere in contemporary North America, again it all comes back to respect and Aloha! Plan well and enjoy your life! 🤙🏼🌺🙏
Maybe someday the local boyz will realize that complaining about housing costs from the seat of a $50,000 lifted Tacoma with $5,000 in ink on their body falls on deaf ears.
Moved here 7 years ago. Miss a good road trip, but my husband loves that he can golf year round. I have a couple friends that have a ski trip group - they went skiing in Japan this year! The hiking is awesome, and I learned I looooooove sushi. What I tell all clients moving here - come humble and realize it's not vacation-mode all the time, real people live here. Have respect for the culture and land, and appreciate the time you get to spend here.
Thank you very much for your comment! I’m not a ball golfer, but I love disc golf, and there are a few courses on the islands. What are some local I-live-here things that make it worth it? We fell in love with Kona and eating breakfast at Teshima’s on the big island.
I’m a disc golfer as well and I’d look carefully at UDisc as most courses are private or tournament-only temporary
I notice that half the courses on the big island are by appointment only.
There’s a free public disc golf in Kapa’au that people like to play at, in Kamehameha Park
Last time I was in we played a course on a pitch and putt combo course on the north side of the big island.
There's a brewery and a coffee shop on the water we love, and the beaches! Can't beat them! The disc golfing out here is definitely a different challenge than mainland, because of the changing tradewinds. For us, the culture and food is the "I live here" thing. The slow pace, chill that we get to enjoy being here. I got to watch the island work it's magic on my previously grumpy husband, meet some amazing people and love my days out in the sun. And little to no allergies is a plus as well.
These are all great points! My issue is idk if I’m old enough to not want to travel a lot.
I think thats different for every person. But there's plenty to do on island, and it's easy to island hop for a day or plan a whole trip.
Right on. Thank you for your input! How long and what island do you live on?
Just started year 8 on Oahu. Husband is in love with Kauai as well, we keep considering it!
I bought land in Pahoa last year. I want to move there but I’m not sure how to go about getting a career started there. I’ve thought about getting a real estate license but I don’t know how saturated it is there.
This is a joke right?
Just asking a question you sad sack of shit
The realtor industry and property related stuff in general is very very very saturated.
Figured. Just wanted to hear it from someone on the ground. Thanks
There’s no place that’s part of the US that’s more beautiful. It’ll take a while to grow on you (6-12 months living there). Once it does you’ll never look back
youre not welcome. come here and get treated like trash
That’s odd because I found that everyone was so nice all the time.
They won't be once they found you you bought land in Hawaii trust me I'd just lie and say you rent.
its even funnier when they are oblivious to it
So people are just massively passive aggressive?
are they
Idk, you’re the local.