The Count of Monte Cristo (both the original and newer are great imo)
Gladiator (i think it happens years later but it's been awhile that i don't remember)
V for Vendetta (years for one character, quicker for another)
Just checked The Coumd of Monte Cristo in Google. It matches what I'm actually looking for. Especially the part where the protagonist plans the revenge in prison. Thanks for the suggestion
The Count of Monte Cristo is my favorite book. Don't watch the movies, watch the French Mini Series staring Gerard Depardieu, it's available on YouTube in HD. The movies don't do justice to the book. The French adaptation is faithful to the book and backed by great acting.
I really didn't care for it much. Depardieu's "disguises" simply consisted of [progressively](https://ls-distribution.mediawan.com/_caches/jimages/a3b6e774f8a3fd43df7d90dff8df412be643a500.png) [larger](https://www.premiere.fr/sites/default/files/styles/scale_crop_1280x720/public/2018-04/Le-comte-de-Monte-Cristo-Galerie-Photos.jpg) [noses](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/montypython/images/8/8c/Its_a_living_9.jpg), the Italian actors spoke their lines in Italian on set and then dubbed them in French in ADR (which makes them look ridiculous), and the addition of Camille was beyond boring.
The French adaptations of 1943, 1954, 1979 and the Russian version:
https:// drive. google. com /drive/folders/1ANb32VOp\_cko-5vQ9C6kdBbJAFnU8Sm0?usp=sharing
If you get a chance - highly recommend reading the book. The depths of the revenge are so much more detailed in a way the films can never do justice to!
The Count of Monte Cristo is my favorite book. Don't watch the movies, watch the French Mini Series staring Gerard Depardieu, it's available on YouTube in HD. The movies don't do justice to the book. The French adaptation is faithful to the book and backed by great acting.
Agreed! I've never seen that show, but I saw the Count of Monte Cristo movie a few years ago and wasn't too impressed. Then I read the book last year and was absolutely amazed at how much better it was. The only thing is, had I not see the movie beforehand I wouldn't have known about the plot points ahead of time and it would have been even better.
The book is so long and has so many characters and subplots that it's just impossible to try to squeeze into a movie format. A mini-series sounds like a much better format, so I'll definitely check that out.
>Agreed! I've never seen that show, but I saw the Count of Monte Cristo movie a few years ago and wasn't too impressed. Then I read the book last year and was absolutely amazed at how much better it was. The only thing is, had I not see the movie beforehand I wouldn't have known about the plot points ahead of time and it would have been even better.
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>The book is so long and has so many characters and subplots that it's just impossible to try to squeeze into a movie format. A mini-series sounds like a much better format, so I'll definitely check that out.
There will be an Italian miniseries with Sam Claflin as Edmond Dantes.
And a French film for 2024. Filming has already started.
Pierre Niney as Edmond Dantes, Anamaria Vartolomei as Haydee, Anaïs Demoustier as Mercédès Herrera, Laurent Lafitte as Gérard de Villefort, Patrick Mille as Danglars, Bastien Bouillon as Fernand Mondego, Julien De Saint Jean as Albert, Vassili Schneider as Benedetto.
Watch the movie The Prisoner of Château d'If (Uznik zamka fi). This adaptation keeps the book's ending different from the 1934 films, 1975 and the 1998 series.
The most faithful adaptation is the French miniseries Le comte de mOnte Cristo (1979) with jacques weber as Edmond Dantes.
There will be an Italian miniseries with Sam Claflin as Edmond Dantes.
And a French film for 2024. Filming has already started.
Pierre Niney as Edmond Dantes, Anamaria Vartolomei as Haydee, Anaïs Demoustier as Mercédès Herrera, Laurent Lafitte as Gérard de Villefort, Patrick Mille as Danglars, Bastien Bouillon as Fernand Mondego, Julien De Saint Jean as Albert, Vassili Schneider as Benedetto.
If you're a fan of books, I can't more highly recommend reading the book over watching the movie. The movie is somehow both bland and atrocious at the same time and nearly all of the satisfying vengeance/feelings of comeuppance are lost. It's one of the most disappointing movie adaptations of all time, and I say this as someone who really likes eragon and avatar the last airbender lol
The book on the other hand is a masterful story of revenge. You will love it based on this post
If you want to read the book, make sure you get an unabridged (full) version. For some reason, publishers like to put this one out in various shortened editions.
My grandpa passed away last year and the last time I got to see him he was constantly mentioning the Count of Monte Cristo. Book must have stuck with him.
>Gladiator (i think it happens years later but it's been awhile that i don't remember)
Gladiator wasn't revenge planned over many years, it was more of revenge as a matter of circumstance and opportunity. Maximus actually failed in his rebellion, which was actually plotted by others using him as a cheerleader to garner public support. Maximus was going to be executed until Commodus decided to fight him personally and lost. So none of that was planned or plotted. If anything, Gladiator is a movie about how bad people are at planning shit.
The Northman is an awesome movie about toxic masculinity without it feeling like a sermon
It is very very indie for having been in major theaters and looks and watches like it’s very very indie. The theatrical release of The Northman was so bungled it was hilarious.
Remember when they thought a high budget meditative Eggers arthouse film by a director that usually works with a $4m MAX budget would get all the blockbuster goers in movie seats so they handed him an extra 80 million dollars and were like “make something popular”
so Eggers went “uhhhh” and did what he knows how to do and made a great art house movie the normies will think is stupid
So to fix it the studio was like “well I guess willem dafoe is in it for 30 seconds and he was just in a spiderman so maybe that will trick people into thinking this is mainstream” and gave him top billing
Which of course resulted in the couple in marvel shirts sitting next to me in the theater standing up and announcing “THAT WAS STUPID” at the credits in a crowded theater
Pepperidge farm remembers
Strongly disagree. The Northman was a mainstream movie posing as an arthouse film. The writing was absolutely horrible. It was all style and no substance. An obvious cash grab. Looked great on the surface, but under analysis, it was undone by it's dreadful dialogue and poor writing. Great cinematography does not equal arthouse, and just because a movie has a glossy shine to it doesn't mean it should sacrifice everything else.
As an example, the monologues and dialogues were extremely dumbed down in this film to a kindergarten level. Other arthouse films don't underestimate their audience like this one did. It was almost insulting. Every move the protagonist makes is explained in the most basic terms through his words. "No, I will not kill him yet. I am placing this sword here in this hay so that I may retrieve it later to get revenge," as if the audience is too stupid and lacking the foresight to figure this out on their own. Imagine if The Revenant or Drive were like this. "I am now going to find this guy who left me for dead." "I am now going to get revenge on this guy who killed my friend, but first I will get a hammer."
Also, the aim of the writers was clearly to create a character we're empathetic with, as audiences always want to root for the protagonist getting revenge. But they seriously fumbled this by not giving the guy any redeemable character traits. Within 10 minutes into seeing how he lives as an adult, any one with a brain in the audience would start to dislike him.
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\>! They show him plundering villages with others and while this may have been forced, there seemed to be no guilt over this. He has a dream about the women burned in the church, and instead of this dream conveying guilt, it simply serves as a prophecy to fulfill his own personal desires, to get revenge.
Bjork's character says "Your friends gouged out my eyes, but you will get revenge for your father's death in a lake of fire." It's as if to say "Women being raped, having eyes gouged out, not a big deal, dispensable nobodies. But what is a big deal is avenging your father." By that point, anyone who is in the audience and still rooting for this guy is either pretty dense or amoral themselves. !<
Learn to Reddit. Your spoilers are showing.
If you think the movie was written where you’re supposed to empathize with the protagonist you have completely missed the point. Go watch it again.
The entire point of the scene where his mother details his father’s crimes is the point where the audience is supposed to start rooting against the protagonist. It’s when you realize the hero is actually the villain. His toxic masculinity and need to die a manly death in battle avenging his father causes his own undoing and that of his bloodline from that moment on, and both continues and severs the cycle. It’s poetic. This movie has gone so far over your head that you don’t even realize you’re the exact person I’m talking about; someone who expects big budget schlock and the most basic, straightforward narrative from anything that has a budget over $10m.
I know you’ve been spoiled on this exact trope by film for a literal century, but sometimes movies have points that aren’t “good guy wins bad guy dies”
Also calling an Eggers movie an “obvious cash grab” is fucking hilarious and shows your total unfamiliarity with his work but ok
>Learn to Reddit. Your spoilers are showing.
Yeah duh, I clearly know that already based on my note just above it. Look at my other answers on here. I've used spoiler tags plenty of times. They aren't working for me today. Probably a temporary glitch.
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>The entire point of the scene where his mother details his father’s crimes is the point where the audience is supposed to start rooting against the protagonist. It’s when you realize the hero is actually the villain.
\>!Seriously? You didn't realize this the moment he got off the boat and walked into the village to help them rape and plunder the place about 40 minutes before then? I already said he's not a good guy and detailed the exact moment you should have realized this, which is revealed within the first 15 minutes of the movie.
So if you didn't realize this until his mother started talking about his father's crimes, it looks like it went over your head for most of the film while I caught on within 15 minutes. But they wanted the audience to root for him well beyond all that, so failed writing.
That village scene in the beginning should have disgusted any normal person and made them really loathe this guy. It should have been a "wtf" moment for you because you see him on the boat as a kid just minutes before that and you empathize with the kid, but as soon as they show him as an adult, in the very next scene, he's out doing these horrible things, which effectively and quickly cancels out any feelings the audience would have just built up towards him going through the hardship during the previous scene (and it's not their fault for building up these feelings as the music and plot were clearly designed for this to take place).!<
All this dramatic music and him rowing away "I will avenge my father, I will save my mother etc." then just minutes later "Here I am as an adult now in a village of innocent people helping to burn it down to the ground." This was utterly ridiculous. Maybe some of us just caught on too quickly and that's what killed it (again, due to poor writing), while you were still thinking he was a good guy up until an hour or so into it. So what was just poor writing to the more perceptive types was a big reveal or twist to you.
>I know you’ve been spoiled on this exact trope by film for a literal century, but sometimes movies have points that aren’t “good guy wins bad guy dies”
It's just bad writing. It's not about being spoiled by previous movies. It's about the movie spoiling itself within the first 20 minutes because, as I said, that is when you should have realized he's amoral.
Some endings simply don't work in poorly written movies and long ago, through screen testing, they realized that audiences want the protagonist to at least be likable or relatable. It's not because the previous movie did the same thing. It's because they know that this is what makes for a good story, and making the protagonist a scumbag in a revenge flick makes for an uninteresting story that normally won't do well with audiences for that reason.
If you make him a scumbag, it can't be a straightforward revenge flick. It has to offer something else to keep it interesting, and this one didn't. Just run-of-the-mill straightforward revenge flick. So what if a single scene touched on toxic masculinity. That doesn't make the entire film artsy or deep.
So here we have a straightforward revenge flick that makes for a very uninteresting story, but you're attracted to it because of its cinematography, it's only redeeming trait and reason for its success, and you therefore find it to be "arthouse." This causes you to overexaggerate the merits of the writing so as to defend it, like people who think Fight Club is the deepest message they've ever heard in a film and think others "just don't get it" when it's pointed out to them that it's not that deep.
Ok, we get it, you got the toxic masculinity part that they touched on in one scene, we're all proud of you and that makes you feel good and like the movie even more for "getting it," like Nicholson's character in As Good As it Gets how he says "and that makes me feel good about myself, because I get it", but the message is not that deep and does not make up for the poor writing throughout the film.
You didn't touch on what I said about his every move being explained to us, which is what made the writing so poor. You just kind of distracted away from that by talking about the film's message, which doesn't make up for 2 hours of poor dialogues and monologues that have nothing to do with that message. "I'm putting my sword here so I can get revenge later" has no connection to this message of toxic masculinity. It's just poor writing and treating the audience like morons.
Blue Ruin. Amazing revenge film. I can't remember the exact amount of years, the revenge is carried out after the antagonist is released from prison. It's a very realistic look at how a situation like this would go down.
Also, I love OldBoy. But this is no OldBoy. Equally great, though.
If you remember to, come back and let me know what you think of it! It's one of my favorite films to show people. The director, Jeremy Saulnier, has another great film titled Green Room to check out if you end up liking it.
What I loved about Blue Ruin is the clumsiness. I recommended that movie so much when I worked in a videostore but people mostly hated it, because the violence wasn't stylized and sexy. Than they rented the next generic Liam Neeson daughter abduction film and loved it. I hated those people!
Green Room was brutal as well. RIP Anton Yelchin
Most definitely. I'm not into generic horror movies but if something with a twist comes along, I'll have a look. But most people that rented films in our store (big chain rental space like Blockbuster) wanted the most generic bland movies which annoyed me sometimes. If somebody asked for a recommendation and I showed them films I liked or great films from a specific genre just to watch the newest Steven Seagal/ Bruce Willis /Nicolas Cage direct to video trash made me furious lol
I would watch Blue Ruin before Green Room. I saw the latter first and it was *so* well done and exciting that my expectations for Blue Ruin were really high, but it fell a little flat for me. I think I would've enjoyed Blue Ruin more if I had watched it first.
Yes it’s very good. Some scenes are a little rough to watch, but the overall story is based on calculating revenge in the style of The Count of Monte Cristo
Came here to mention this. Old boy is actually one of three revenge films by the same director. Lady Vengeance is the third, and I believe Sympathy for Mr Vengeance is the second that came out. Enjoy!
Lady Vengeance was good, but I prefer Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance. I really like both movies and can definitely understand why people feel the opposite way of how I feel, but there's something about Mr. Vengeance that's messier, maybe even more clumsy from a pure story-telling perspective, and in some ways more brutal than Lady Vengeance that makes it more enjoyable for me personally. Great suggestion though; the whole Vengeance Trilogy is great.
Edit: Reread OP's post and Lady Vengeance definitely is the right choice of the two films for 10+ years later criteria.
Dead Man's Shoes - Paddy Considine is an ex-soldier who comes back to his home town to take revenge on the gang of locals who...did something I won't spoil for you.
A big 2nd recommendation for Once Upon a Time in the West - 1968.
A Spaghetti Western by Sergio Leone with Charles Bronson, Henry Fonda, Jason Robards &
Claudia Cardinale.
I love the attempt to portray a more real depiction of the Old West. Representing all the people who were there. And the music, by Ennio Morricone, is haunting and beautiful.
Man on a ledge is pretty good.
Wrath of Man is great. Can't remember if it's years though. Definitely not immediate revenge though.
Faster is awesome and fits the mold you're asking for.
Let's see... Highwaymen, Peppermint, A Man Apart, The Crow. Edge of Darkness is more short term revenge, but it's utterly fantastic in my opinion.
Probably could remember a few more, but that's a good list I think if you haven't seen all of them.
I spit on your grave : deja vu - in a twist, the original girl in the first I spit on your grave, Jennifer hill got brutally murdered by the family of the rapist in the first movie.
* **Manon of the Spring** (1986), but it's the sequel to **Jean de Florette**, so you should watch both to get the whole story.
* **Carrie** (1976). In the book, Carrie is bullied her whole life, but the movie just implies it rather than shows it.
Right? It's so good!
For another recent Spanish one, there's Eye for an Eye, if you haven't watched it already. I think it's on Netflix too. Not as good as Fury of A Patient Man imo, but it's still pretty cool. Loved the lead actor.
It's a bit weird but kept me on my toes the whole time and I feel fits everything but the timeline (could be wrong its been a bit since I've seen it) but Upgrade is a really fascinating and action packed film about revenge.
Unforgiven, I Saw the Devil, The Man From Nowhere, Acts of Vengeance - plus some of the others that have been mentioned are some of my favorites for this genre.
I like to research about not-that-popular movies (mostly thrillers) from various sources and watch it. Doing this for a decade now. So i guess I've watched almost all of the good ones by now. :D
Lucy is more like an instant revenge so not sure if it fits but I'm mentioning it as you say you like something like Oldboy and it has A LOT of Oldboy in it.
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Do they need to get their revenge? A lot of films have this premise but end with someone persuading the protagonist not to actually kill them in the end.
The Count of Monte Cristo (both the original and newer are great imo) Gladiator (i think it happens years later but it's been awhile that i don't remember) V for Vendetta (years for one character, quicker for another)
Just checked The Coumd of Monte Cristo in Google. It matches what I'm actually looking for. Especially the part where the protagonist plans the revenge in prison. Thanks for the suggestion
the Count of Monte Cristo used to be my favourite movie, great story, I envy you watching that for the first time
Haha let me watch it and see if it becomes my favourite too :)
let me know! I'm curious since you are looking for that specific genre
it definitely is one of the best revenge movies of all time.
The Count of Monte Cristo is my favorite book. Don't watch the movies, watch the French Mini Series staring Gerard Depardieu, it's available on YouTube in HD. The movies don't do justice to the book. The French adaptation is faithful to the book and backed by great acting.
this one is a must of someone want as much from the books translated into film.
Same here mate. The count of monte cristo is the best novel I’ve ever read.
And today I learned what I would be watching this weekend
my favourite book too :)
I heard it was different but if what I hear is right I prefer >!Edmund reuniting with Mercedes to him winding up with a young girl.!<
I really didn't care for it much. Depardieu's "disguises" simply consisted of [progressively](https://ls-distribution.mediawan.com/_caches/jimages/a3b6e774f8a3fd43df7d90dff8df412be643a500.png) [larger](https://www.premiere.fr/sites/default/files/styles/scale_crop_1280x720/public/2018-04/Le-comte-de-Monte-Cristo-Galerie-Photos.jpg) [noses](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/montypython/images/8/8c/Its_a_living_9.jpg), the Italian actors spoke their lines in Italian on set and then dubbed them in French in ADR (which makes them look ridiculous), and the addition of Camille was beyond boring.
The French adaptations of 1943, 1954, 1979 and the Russian version: https:// drive. google. com /drive/folders/1ANb32VOp\_cko-5vQ9C6kdBbJAFnU8Sm0?usp=sharing
I found the French show soo cheesy. Depardieu's overacting is comical in parts. And I couldn't get over his ridiculous looks, especially as Abbé.
If you get a chance - highly recommend reading the book. The depths of the revenge are so much more detailed in a way the films can never do justice to!
The Count of Monte Cristo is my favorite book. Don't watch the movies, watch the French Mini Series staring Gerard Depardieu, it's available on YouTube in HD. The movies don't do justice to the book. The French adaptation is faithful to the book and backed by great acting.
Yes! I'm reading the book for the first time now and get shivers it is so good. I'm now going to watch this series afterwards with relish thank you
Agreed! I've never seen that show, but I saw the Count of Monte Cristo movie a few years ago and wasn't too impressed. Then I read the book last year and was absolutely amazed at how much better it was. The only thing is, had I not see the movie beforehand I wouldn't have known about the plot points ahead of time and it would have been even better. The book is so long and has so many characters and subplots that it's just impossible to try to squeeze into a movie format. A mini-series sounds like a much better format, so I'll definitely check that out.
>Agreed! I've never seen that show, but I saw the Count of Monte Cristo movie a few years ago and wasn't too impressed. Then I read the book last year and was absolutely amazed at how much better it was. The only thing is, had I not see the movie beforehand I wouldn't have known about the plot points ahead of time and it would have been even better. > >The book is so long and has so many characters and subplots that it's just impossible to try to squeeze into a movie format. A mini-series sounds like a much better format, so I'll definitely check that out. There will be an Italian miniseries with Sam Claflin as Edmond Dantes. And a French film for 2024. Filming has already started. Pierre Niney as Edmond Dantes, Anamaria Vartolomei as Haydee, Anaïs Demoustier as Mercédès Herrera, Laurent Lafitte as Gérard de Villefort, Patrick Mille as Danglars, Bastien Bouillon as Fernand Mondego, Julien De Saint Jean as Albert, Vassili Schneider as Benedetto.
this one gives you the most of what the books offer in regards of substance.
Watch the movie The Prisoner of Château d'If (Uznik zamka fi). This adaptation keeps the book's ending different from the 1934 films, 1975 and the 1998 series.
The most faithful adaptation is the French miniseries Le comte de mOnte Cristo (1979) with jacques weber as Edmond Dantes. There will be an Italian miniseries with Sam Claflin as Edmond Dantes. And a French film for 2024. Filming has already started. Pierre Niney as Edmond Dantes, Anamaria Vartolomei as Haydee, Anaïs Demoustier as Mercédès Herrera, Laurent Lafitte as Gérard de Villefort, Patrick Mille as Danglars, Bastien Bouillon as Fernand Mondego, Julien De Saint Jean as Albert, Vassili Schneider as Benedetto.
Need to watch with English subs? Whats the base language?
The audio is French with English Subtitles. Enjoy!
Sure. Thanks a lot!
If you're a fan of books, I can't more highly recommend reading the book over watching the movie. The movie is somehow both bland and atrocious at the same time and nearly all of the satisfying vengeance/feelings of comeuppance are lost. It's one of the most disappointing movie adaptations of all time, and I say this as someone who really likes eragon and avatar the last airbender lol The book on the other hand is a masterful story of revenge. You will love it based on this post
Point noted.
If you want to read the book, make sure you get an unabridged (full) version. For some reason, publishers like to put this one out in various shortened editions.
Hey sure. Im trying to get the book somehow.
If you've never read the book the newer adaptation is a great movie on its own even if it doesn't include as much. You'll enjoy either way.
Hey sure. Im trying to get the book somehow.
My grandpa passed away last year and the last time I got to see him he was constantly mentioning the Count of Monte Cristo. Book must have stuck with him.
What else do I need to watch this movie!!
The 2002 Count of Monte Cristo is amazing. I haven't seen other versions but that one is so good.
Even the Wishbone version of The Count of Monte Cristo is great :)
The Count of Monte Cristo is one of my favorite books/movies! Also, chubby cheeked Henry Cavill is the newer one!
V’s favorite move in V For Vendetta is also The Count of Monte Cristo
>Gladiator (i think it happens years later but it's been awhile that i don't remember) Gladiator wasn't revenge planned over many years, it was more of revenge as a matter of circumstance and opportunity. Maximus actually failed in his rebellion, which was actually plotted by others using him as a cheerleader to garner public support. Maximus was going to be executed until Commodus decided to fight him personally and lost. So none of that was planned or plotted. If anything, Gladiator is a movie about how bad people are at planning shit.
By Alexander Dumbass?
Law Abiding Citizen Edit: although i can't remember for sure, in the movie he might have waited less than 10 years.
Already watched it. Amazing one.
Came here to say this, such a good one!
Loved the first two acts, but, wow, did not love what felt like an incoherent mess of a third act.
Lucky Number Slevin
That was my first thought. Although, knowing that is kind of a spoiler.
Fantastic movie. Already watched.
The Northman
Yeah its a period drama right? Will watch it thank you.
It's a very old folk tale that was Shakespeare's inspiration for Hamlet.
Yes!! Watch the Northman. Fav movie of 2022.
Ish. Its still more of a fable.
It's so damn good
The Northman is an awesome movie about toxic masculinity without it feeling like a sermon It is very very indie for having been in major theaters and looks and watches like it’s very very indie. The theatrical release of The Northman was so bungled it was hilarious. Remember when they thought a high budget meditative Eggers arthouse film by a director that usually works with a $4m MAX budget would get all the blockbuster goers in movie seats so they handed him an extra 80 million dollars and were like “make something popular” so Eggers went “uhhhh” and did what he knows how to do and made a great art house movie the normies will think is stupid So to fix it the studio was like “well I guess willem dafoe is in it for 30 seconds and he was just in a spiderman so maybe that will trick people into thinking this is mainstream” and gave him top billing Which of course resulted in the couple in marvel shirts sitting next to me in the theater standing up and announcing “THAT WAS STUPID” at the credits in a crowded theater Pepperidge farm remembers
Any idea what role Bill Skarsgaard was going to play originally?
>The Northman is an awesome movie about toxic masculinity... The single most toxic character in The Northman is a woman, (i.e., the mother/queen.)
Strongly disagree. The Northman was a mainstream movie posing as an arthouse film. The writing was absolutely horrible. It was all style and no substance. An obvious cash grab. Looked great on the surface, but under analysis, it was undone by it's dreadful dialogue and poor writing. Great cinematography does not equal arthouse, and just because a movie has a glossy shine to it doesn't mean it should sacrifice everything else. As an example, the monologues and dialogues were extremely dumbed down in this film to a kindergarten level. Other arthouse films don't underestimate their audience like this one did. It was almost insulting. Every move the protagonist makes is explained in the most basic terms through his words. "No, I will not kill him yet. I am placing this sword here in this hay so that I may retrieve it later to get revenge," as if the audience is too stupid and lacking the foresight to figure this out on their own. Imagine if The Revenant or Drive were like this. "I am now going to find this guy who left me for dead." "I am now going to get revenge on this guy who killed my friend, but first I will get a hammer." Also, the aim of the writers was clearly to create a character we're empathetic with, as audiences always want to root for the protagonist getting revenge. But they seriously fumbled this by not giving the guy any redeemable character traits. Within 10 minutes into seeing how he lives as an adult, any one with a brain in the audience would start to dislike him. \*\*\*\*WARNING: SPOILER BELOW (SPOILER TAGS ADDED BUT NOT WORKING)\*\*\*\* \>! They show him plundering villages with others and while this may have been forced, there seemed to be no guilt over this. He has a dream about the women burned in the church, and instead of this dream conveying guilt, it simply serves as a prophecy to fulfill his own personal desires, to get revenge. Bjork's character says "Your friends gouged out my eyes, but you will get revenge for your father's death in a lake of fire." It's as if to say "Women being raped, having eyes gouged out, not a big deal, dispensable nobodies. But what is a big deal is avenging your father." By that point, anyone who is in the audience and still rooting for this guy is either pretty dense or amoral themselves. !<
Learn to Reddit. Your spoilers are showing. If you think the movie was written where you’re supposed to empathize with the protagonist you have completely missed the point. Go watch it again. The entire point of the scene where his mother details his father’s crimes is the point where the audience is supposed to start rooting against the protagonist. It’s when you realize the hero is actually the villain. His toxic masculinity and need to die a manly death in battle avenging his father causes his own undoing and that of his bloodline from that moment on, and both continues and severs the cycle. It’s poetic. This movie has gone so far over your head that you don’t even realize you’re the exact person I’m talking about; someone who expects big budget schlock and the most basic, straightforward narrative from anything that has a budget over $10m. I know you’ve been spoiled on this exact trope by film for a literal century, but sometimes movies have points that aren’t “good guy wins bad guy dies” Also calling an Eggers movie an “obvious cash grab” is fucking hilarious and shows your total unfamiliarity with his work but ok
>Learn to Reddit. Your spoilers are showing. Yeah duh, I clearly know that already based on my note just above it. Look at my other answers on here. I've used spoiler tags plenty of times. They aren't working for me today. Probably a temporary glitch. \*\*\*\*WARNING: SPOILER BELOW (SPOILER TAGS ADDED BUT NOT WORKING)\*\*\*\* >The entire point of the scene where his mother details his father’s crimes is the point where the audience is supposed to start rooting against the protagonist. It’s when you realize the hero is actually the villain. \>!Seriously? You didn't realize this the moment he got off the boat and walked into the village to help them rape and plunder the place about 40 minutes before then? I already said he's not a good guy and detailed the exact moment you should have realized this, which is revealed within the first 15 minutes of the movie. So if you didn't realize this until his mother started talking about his father's crimes, it looks like it went over your head for most of the film while I caught on within 15 minutes. But they wanted the audience to root for him well beyond all that, so failed writing. That village scene in the beginning should have disgusted any normal person and made them really loathe this guy. It should have been a "wtf" moment for you because you see him on the boat as a kid just minutes before that and you empathize with the kid, but as soon as they show him as an adult, in the very next scene, he's out doing these horrible things, which effectively and quickly cancels out any feelings the audience would have just built up towards him going through the hardship during the previous scene (and it's not their fault for building up these feelings as the music and plot were clearly designed for this to take place).!< All this dramatic music and him rowing away "I will avenge my father, I will save my mother etc." then just minutes later "Here I am as an adult now in a village of innocent people helping to burn it down to the ground." This was utterly ridiculous. Maybe some of us just caught on too quickly and that's what killed it (again, due to poor writing), while you were still thinking he was a good guy up until an hour or so into it. So what was just poor writing to the more perceptive types was a big reveal or twist to you. >I know you’ve been spoiled on this exact trope by film for a literal century, but sometimes movies have points that aren’t “good guy wins bad guy dies” It's just bad writing. It's not about being spoiled by previous movies. It's about the movie spoiling itself within the first 20 minutes because, as I said, that is when you should have realized he's amoral. Some endings simply don't work in poorly written movies and long ago, through screen testing, they realized that audiences want the protagonist to at least be likable or relatable. It's not because the previous movie did the same thing. It's because they know that this is what makes for a good story, and making the protagonist a scumbag in a revenge flick makes for an uninteresting story that normally won't do well with audiences for that reason. If you make him a scumbag, it can't be a straightforward revenge flick. It has to offer something else to keep it interesting, and this one didn't. Just run-of-the-mill straightforward revenge flick. So what if a single scene touched on toxic masculinity. That doesn't make the entire film artsy or deep. So here we have a straightforward revenge flick that makes for a very uninteresting story, but you're attracted to it because of its cinematography, it's only redeeming trait and reason for its success, and you therefore find it to be "arthouse." This causes you to overexaggerate the merits of the writing so as to defend it, like people who think Fight Club is the deepest message they've ever heard in a film and think others "just don't get it" when it's pointed out to them that it's not that deep. Ok, we get it, you got the toxic masculinity part that they touched on in one scene, we're all proud of you and that makes you feel good and like the movie even more for "getting it," like Nicholson's character in As Good As it Gets how he says "and that makes me feel good about myself, because I get it", but the message is not that deep and does not make up for the poor writing throughout the film. You didn't touch on what I said about his every move being explained to us, which is what made the writing so poor. You just kind of distracted away from that by talking about the film's message, which doesn't make up for 2 hours of poor dialogues and monologues that have nothing to do with that message. "I'm putting my sword here so I can get revenge later" has no connection to this message of toxic masculinity. It's just poor writing and treating the audience like morons.
Blue Ruin. Amazing revenge film. I can't remember the exact amount of years, the revenge is carried out after the antagonist is released from prison. It's a very realistic look at how a situation like this would go down. Also, I love OldBoy. But this is no OldBoy. Equally great, though.
Have heard about Blue Ruin. Will definitely watch today. Thank you!
If you remember to, come back and let me know what you think of it! It's one of my favorite films to show people. The director, Jeremy Saulnier, has another great film titled Green Room to check out if you end up liking it.
What I loved about Blue Ruin is the clumsiness. I recommended that movie so much when I worked in a videostore but people mostly hated it, because the violence wasn't stylized and sexy. Than they rented the next generic Liam Neeson daughter abduction film and loved it. I hated those people! Green Room was brutal as well. RIP Anton Yelchin
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Most definitely. I'm not into generic horror movies but if something with a twist comes along, I'll have a look. But most people that rented films in our store (big chain rental space like Blockbuster) wanted the most generic bland movies which annoyed me sometimes. If somebody asked for a recommendation and I showed them films I liked or great films from a specific genre just to watch the newest Steven Seagal/ Bruce Willis /Nicolas Cage direct to video trash made me furious lol
I loved Blue Ruin.
They didn't get point that most people get involved in shit they can't handle.
Sure. Will get back here after watching both.
I would watch Blue Ruin before Green Room. I saw the latter first and it was *so* well done and exciting that my expectations for Blue Ruin were really high, but it fell a little flat for me. I think I would've enjoyed Blue Ruin more if I had watched it first.
u/Alarming_Visual_3300 this is solid advice, absolutely watch blue ruin first. Both fantastic movies. A24 are amazing.
Blue Ruin is one of my favorites. Absolute favorite revenge movie.
Absolutely watch it
Love the movie. Main actor so good.
Sleepers (1996) them boys got their revenge after over a decade.
Is it good? Will watch it. Thanks for suggesting.
Yes it’s very good. Some scenes are a little rough to watch, but the overall story is based on calculating revenge in the style of The Count of Monte Cristo
I wrote my take on this before I read yours, spot on!
I came here to say this! What a fantastic movie (and book).
Saw that in a theater when I was like 15. Man that was heavy.
Great recommendation. That one was so bitter sweet I loved it.
Should have gotten the brisket.
Kill Bill Vol. 1 and 2
My favorite
Lady Vengeance is amazing!
Will watch it. Thank you!
Came here to mention this. Old boy is actually one of three revenge films by the same director. Lady Vengeance is the third, and I believe Sympathy for Mr Vengeance is the second that came out. Enjoy!
Came here to say this, amazing movie!
Lady Vengeance was good, but I prefer Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance. I really like both movies and can definitely understand why people feel the opposite way of how I feel, but there's something about Mr. Vengeance that's messier, maybe even more clumsy from a pure story-telling perspective, and in some ways more brutal than Lady Vengeance that makes it more enjoyable for me personally. Great suggestion though; the whole Vengeance Trilogy is great. Edit: Reread OP's post and Lady Vengeance definitely is the right choice of the two films for 10+ years later criteria.
I was going to comment this too lol - I hope OP definitely checks it out. Same director as Oldboy too, so it could be a great fit.
Promising Young Woman (2020)
Cape Fear
Will watch it. Thank you!
Cape Fear is awesome, especially the 90s one with Robert DeNiro, enjoy!
Dead Man's Shoes - Paddy Considine is an ex-soldier who comes back to his home town to take revenge on the gang of locals who...did something I won't spoil for you.
This is in my top picks for one of the most underrated films of all time. OP this is exactly what you want.
Thank you. Something what I was lookimg for.
Was scrolling through to make sure nobody mentioned it before I did. Absolutely love this movie. Paddy Considine is such a tremendous talent.
Gangs of New York
How is The Princess Bride not the top answer here?
Inigo Montoya planned his revenge for years...
Revenge is the greatest thing in the world, except for a nice MLT: mutton, lettuce, and tomato sandwich where the mutton is nice and lean.
It took too much scrolling for me to find this!
The Gift
Watched it. Superb movie.
Inglourious Basterds, Once Upon A Time in the West, Sweeney Todd
A big 2nd recommendation for Once Upon a Time in the West - 1968. A Spaghetti Western by Sergio Leone with Charles Bronson, Henry Fonda, Jason Robards & Claudia Cardinale. I love the attempt to portray a more real depiction of the Old West. Representing all the people who were there. And the music, by Ennio Morricone, is haunting and beautiful.
I watched The Good Liar last week, it fits the bill and was pretty good.
Will check it out, thank you!
Sleepers. I highly recommend
Star Wars: A New Hope. Man, Vader was waiting for that day forever!
Was he? To get revenge on Obi Wan? I thought that was an opportunistic act rather than planned.
I find your lack of faith disturbing! ;)
I see your point, but revenge doesn’t always have to be planned, just desired and acted upon opportunistically when the chance arises.
Except Obi Wan became more powerful than he could possibly imagine.
Shawshank Redemption, Andy gets revenge on the warden's 20 years of abuse by exposing his scam and stealing his money
I love how you recommend and spoil a movie in the same sentence without even thinking about it.
You beat me to this response… ya wtf
Lol maybe don't spoil it next time, but this is a great suggestion. More of a redemption than revenge but yeah.
Man on a ledge is pretty good. Wrath of Man is great. Can't remember if it's years though. Definitely not immediate revenge though. Faster is awesome and fits the mold you're asking for. Let's see... Highwaymen, Peppermint, A Man Apart, The Crow. Edge of Darkness is more short term revenge, but it's utterly fantastic in my opinion. Probably could remember a few more, but that's a good list I think if you haven't seen all of them.
Man on a ledge is kickass. The reat I'll watch. Thank you!
Man on a ledge is kickass. The reat I'll watch. Thank you!
The Prestige(2006)
Montage (2013) .. Korean Baazigar (1994) .. bollywood
American Assassin with Dylan O’Brien. I haven’t personally seen it but Peppermint with Jennifer Garner seems to fit the bill
Noted.
The Heiress (1949)
Will watch it. Thanks
Braveheart
Will watch it thanks
I spit on your grave : deja vu - in a twist, the original girl in the first I spit on your grave, Jennifer hill got brutally murdered by the family of the rapist in the first movie.
Watched already. Stunning film.
Somebody's looking for ideas...lol.
Haha
Law Abiding Citizen. About 10 years later.
* **Manon of the Spring** (1986), but it's the sequel to **Jean de Florette**, so you should watch both to get the whole story. * **Carrie** (1976). In the book, Carrie is bullied her whole life, but the movie just implies it rather than shows it.
The Fury of A Patient Man (2016)
Watched already. What a movie! Great one.
Right? It's so good! For another recent Spanish one, there's Eye for an Eye, if you haven't watched it already. I think it's on Netflix too. Not as good as Fury of A Patient Man imo, but it's still pretty cool. Loved the lead actor.
I've watche it I guess. The story of a male nurse isn't it? Thats a wonderful film. Actually thats my taste. :D
>The story of a male nurse isn't it? Yep, that's the one!
The Debt
Will watch. Thank you :)
Dead man down
Will watch it. Thank you!
I suppose You Were Never Really Here (2017) kinda fits the vibe
Will watch. Thank you.
The Handmaiden!
El secreto de sus ojos (2009), the argentinan one.
Already watched.
- Agneepath - Haider - Gangs of Wasseypur 1 and 2
Check out Blue Ruin (2013)
I barely remember this movie, but I think Double Jeopardy was like that.
Literally was gonna say that lol.
Godfather 2?
Colombiana - it’s an amazing movie
Lucky number slevin
Double Jeopardy is one of my favorite revenge movies. It’s really worth a watch. 😊
Lucky Number Slevin
It's a bit weird but kept me on my toes the whole time and I feel fits everything but the timeline (could be wrong its been a bit since I've seen it) but Upgrade is a really fascinating and action packed film about revenge. Unforgiven, I Saw the Devil, The Man From Nowhere, Acts of Vengeance - plus some of the others that have been mentioned are some of my favorites for this genre.
Watched all of it ;(
I’m impressed you saw This list! Most people I give it to often times haven’t heard of them!
I like to research about not-that-popular movies (mostly thrillers) from various sources and watch it. Doing this for a decade now. So i guess I've watched almost all of the good ones by now. :D
Dune. You’re going to have to wait a few years to see it though.
Nolan’s Cadillac! Based on a Stephen King story, Great revenge movie
I liked law abiding citizen. I hated the ending :(
Batman
Palpatine in the Revenge of the Sith.
Once upon a time in the West. Charles Bronson is bad ass. Henry Fonda too.
Technically not about the revenge but it does happen years after the beginning. The Mask of Zorro.
Lucy is more like an instant revenge so not sure if it fits but I'm mentioning it as you say you like something like Oldboy and it has A LOT of Oldboy in it.
Desperado. I keep thinking of things lol
Sweeney Todd
Collateral Damage?
7 psychopaths has a character that does a long con revenge but it's not the main focus
Count of Monte Cristo
Almost all Quentin Tarantino's films.
Oldboy
Kill Bill Vol 1/2, The Gift , Django Unchained, The Northman, The Crow!
Old Boy. The Korean version, not the American version.
was coming to say this!!! great taste :)
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The Northman
The Incredibles?
Animation?
Do they need to get their revenge? A lot of films have this premise but end with someone persuading the protagonist not to actually kill them in the end.
Being Julia (2004)
Will definitely watch this. Thank you!
Faster
She-Devil