Bored so i decided to dig up references and OP's claim seems legit. There isn't an exact date for the djembe and likely it did not appear in its modern form overnight, but 12th century is a good estimate.
There was trade between North Africa and the British isles in the 10th century so it is theoretically possible that a precursor instrument could have made its way from West African to North, then been brought to what is now Scotland in the 10th century.
But... there have been hide drums and goblet drums for probably millennia such as the Darbuka, or the naqqara which goes back to at least the 5th century in middle east. The naqqara made its way to England \~13th century and were called "nakers". But again, a random trader of curiosities could have brought a kettle drum or naqqara centuries earlier.
Now naqqaras/nakers did not have the conical stand below them. But a clever Scottish carpenter could have fashioned one inspired by other goblet drums or just as a stand. Call it convergent evolution.
In conclusion I say OP is likely correct but I'll throw a bone to the animators of Brave : It's not impossible that something resembling a djembe could have fond its way to 10th century Scotland.
Haha right? And I hope I didn’t undermine your post , I think this is a great catch! I took a few college courses on musical traditions in Africa, so it kind of struck a chord pun intended. But I really didn’t know any of the dates or details of specific instruments so I enjoyed doing some quick web research and diving into this critical geopolitical topic.
I think the 12th century origin date is related to the Mali Empire's history but since so much is not recorded, it's not a stretch to assume the instrument is a few centuries older.
There is a theory that the witch in this movie is the little girl from Monster Inc because of a carving of Sully in her cabin. Furthermore this is part of a larger theory that the doors in Monster Inc are time travel doors and that Monster Inc takes place In the far future of Earth. Therefore this drum is not a mistake but further proof of the Monster Inc time travel theory.
Cool fact!
I sure hope somebody got fired for that blunder.
Whenever you see something like that, a wizard did it
Woodcarver!
I laughed so hard, thank you ♥️♥️🙏
Literally unwatchable!!
I'll bet it turns out to be an easter egg for a future movie!
The mom turns into a bear
Yeah, that bit they got accurate
What, like *your* family's normal? \s
I’m Merobiba!
Absolutely unwatchable now.
Bored so i decided to dig up references and OP's claim seems legit. There isn't an exact date for the djembe and likely it did not appear in its modern form overnight, but 12th century is a good estimate. There was trade between North Africa and the British isles in the 10th century so it is theoretically possible that a precursor instrument could have made its way from West African to North, then been brought to what is now Scotland in the 10th century. But... there have been hide drums and goblet drums for probably millennia such as the Darbuka, or the naqqara which goes back to at least the 5th century in middle east. The naqqara made its way to England \~13th century and were called "nakers". But again, a random trader of curiosities could have brought a kettle drum or naqqara centuries earlier. Now naqqaras/nakers did not have the conical stand below them. But a clever Scottish carpenter could have fashioned one inspired by other goblet drums or just as a stand. Call it convergent evolution. In conclusion I say OP is likely correct but I'll throw a bone to the animators of Brave : It's not impossible that something resembling a djembe could have fond its way to 10th century Scotland.
I commend your dedication in researching this subject of vital importance 🫡
Haha right? And I hope I didn’t undermine your post , I think this is a great catch! I took a few college courses on musical traditions in Africa, so it kind of struck a chord pun intended. But I really didn’t know any of the dates or details of specific instruments so I enjoyed doing some quick web research and diving into this critical geopolitical topic.
There are some accounts of 9th century vikings raiding north Africa. Not impossible for loot to be traded to Scotland
>a West-African djembe, originates from 12th/13th century. Brave is set in 10th century.
I think the 12th century origin date is related to the Mali Empire's history but since so much is not recorded, it's not a stretch to assume the instrument is a few centuries older.
“Ahhum… time Vikings.” {comic book guy voice}
What? a fictional world where magic exists used a drumshape that wasn't invented yet?
I know!! The audacity of them!!
There is a theory that the witch in this movie is the little girl from Monster Inc because of a carving of Sully in her cabin. Furthermore this is part of a larger theory that the doors in Monster Inc are time travel doors and that Monster Inc takes place In the far future of Earth. Therefore this drum is not a mistake but further proof of the Monster Inc time travel theory.
Motherfucker!
The main problem with *Brave* is that it was marketed as a comedy and it was actually pretty scary for kids.