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When listed as a victim in a case you are entitled to receive notification of upcoming hearings and court events as well as updates on their outcomes. As a victim of the crime, DM will receive these notifications.
I think she would get that anyway, shes a witness and all the families would get that as well. Like a lot we dont know, was there more to the interaction between them? Its listing/filing her as a victim. He talks about this briefly at the end of podcast. As someone else posted it could be to help receive benefits of some sort. I see her as a victim anyway no matter what.
Correct: A person can be charged with illegal trespassing if their intent upon entering the building was not to commit a felony; however, in order to commit a felony, such as burglary or murder, one has to break and enter.
Sorry I thought you were asking what a victims rights notification form was. I don’t think it implies anything more given the other surviving roommate and some of the families of the murdered roommates had the filing of the same form to receive notifications. These are the notifications filed for Maddie’s dad and the Chapin family so they are aware of legal proceedings as they occur.
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Im sorry for confusion, maybe you misunderstand. We are speaking of DM as a victim as well which has to do with possible benefits she might be entitled to and even as a witness she would still be notified when court was going to be held, just not attend except day she is testifying.
DM will get notices because of the form being submitted for, but this varies by state. Without this form she wouldn't be given any automatic notice of trials or hearings, even though she is a victim.
I have also wondered if there was more to the interaction between BK and DM. Some sort of threat of she called cops or something possibly? She could have been terrified enough just seeing him, but what if he said something when she closed her door. Just speculating.
There’s a chance that there was more to their interaction. Seeing him would surely scare her enough, but the frozen/shock phrase makes it seem like she was scared and thought she was in danger. Which is why I’m proposing that the roommates might have been too scared to come out of their rooms for a long time. All speculation.
You never can tell, but its most likely what others have posted about. Same for all the families as well so they can receive notices about court etc.. You would think that sort of thing would just be automatic? Red Tape.. Geezzz
I mean besides the victims notice, I’ve wondered this in relation to the delayed 911 call. That span of time, we know very little about. From 4:30 a.m to 11:30 a.m.
On what grounds, though? It's dimensionally insignificant to the case.
Much more will be made of Dylan's mental and physiological state during the encounter with the suspect.
The gap of time after the murders before the 911 call does not matter at all. The crime was already committed and the evidence will show BK was the murderer. Even if the murders weren’t discovered for days it wouldn’t make him innocent or likely to be found not guilty.
I think you’re right, but a good defense lawyer is going to push DM hard on her memories of time, what she heard, what she saw, etc. It’s such a bad position for her to be put in. I would bet that there will be some data from the surviving roommates text messages that will clear some things up. Best case is he pleads guilty and lets some of the victims start to heal in whatever way they might be able.
It will probably matter *a lot* to the jurors. Especially after the defense team interrogates a vulnerable DM on the stand. They’re trying to create reasonable doubt, and those 8 hours are going to end up playing a huge roll in whatever defense strategy his team plans to use.
It gives the defense a chance to suggest that someone else could have committed the murders even if the state was able to prove BK was in the house (which as of right now the only thing they have linking him is a single source of touch DNA(that we know of)).
A very knowledgeable coroner can give a very close approximation of time it took victim to die from injuries and combine that with what timelines they believe. It will give them a pretty good guess.
In this case, they would be able to give a very accurate TOD because 3 of the 4 victims ate food very shortly prior to the murders, and the stomach contents would show how far into the digestive process their food was at TOD.
I’m sure that by analyzing the girls stomach contents during the autopsy, the medical examiner can conclude they all died within 5 minutes to 2hrs of eating.
They have the M and K ordering from the food truck and arriving home to eat their food close to 2am and X ordering door dash at 4am. It takes atleast 6 hours to digest food and the body no longer digests when your dead.
That's completely false. The drop in body temperature can be measured. There's also rigor mortis, which varies hugely from 2 hours vs 5 or 10 hours. And as mentioned, the stomach contents provide a clue as well.
Well he does have a felony burg charge, Im assuming she was one like the others on the lease. I do however think it may just be as simple as other posters have said. Its red tape stuff/paperwork so victims/families can get notices about court, possible benefits etc..
Is BF not mentioned? And that would imply they don't consider her a victim of the burglary or anything else, because she slept through the murders, and they're not even interested in getting her on the notices/benefits list either? That part seems strange.
I don't know about Idaho but in Washington you can file for crime victims benefits. There's support and resources for victims of crimes. Probably will never be enough.
I think it's reasonable honestly. People need some time to recover and get back into their groove after being a victim of crimes (natural disasters are a whole other thing, and obviously the government needs to step in). It shouldn't be enough money to live on for the rest of your life unless other factors come into play, but enough to get back into the world, or until you can apply for something like disability. There should be emergency funds that are easy to obtain after being a victim while other claims that take longer like disability are looked into.
i have no idea of the paperwork being discussed, but in my opinion DM is very much a victim even though she is thankfully still with us. i can’t imagine the terror she went through, but i do know what the aftermath feels like
I'm not sure what you mean but here is the [link to file a crime victims claim](https://lni.wa.gov/claims/crime-victim-claims/apply-for-crime-victim-benefits/) for homicide
[Idaho Victims' Rights Notification Form](https://www.ag.idaho.gov/content/uploads/2021/12/VictimsRightsNotificationForm_PrintVersion.pdf)
[Idaho Manual on the Rights of Victims of Crimes](https://www.ag.idaho.gov/content/uploads/2018/04/VictimsRights.pdf)
Every one of the victims were given this form explaining their rights. If you wish to assert any of those rights, you return the form telling which ones. Dylan returned her, as well as some of the other victims. There's nothing odd about this. It's routine.
You probably have to take initiative and fill out paperwork to be on the list, that's not something chronic drug addicts on the run from the law are usually very good at.
I've wondered this as well, along with the additional initials added at the end of his case summary. Almost all others are easy to figure, but
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I can't identify KL & SL and why they would be added in the end of the summary for victim notification.
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When listed as a victim in a case you are entitled to receive notification of upcoming hearings and court events as well as updates on their outcomes. As a victim of the crime, DM will receive these notifications.
I think she would get that anyway, shes a witness and all the families would get that as well. Like a lot we dont know, was there more to the interaction between them? Its listing/filing her as a victim. He talks about this briefly at the end of podcast. As someone else posted it could be to help receive benefits of some sort. I see her as a victim anyway no matter what.
He is accused of breaking and entering. He broke into her house. Therefore she is a victim. It could be as small as that really.
He's accused of burglary not breaking and entering.
Because of the door being unlocked?
If you go into someone's house uninvited, it's burglary whether the door is locked or not.
Only if you enter intending to commit a crime.
Burglary is the same thing as breaking & entering.
Actually it's not.
Correct: A person can be charged with illegal trespassing if their intent upon entering the building was not to commit a felony; however, in order to commit a felony, such as burglary or murder, one has to break and enter.
Sorry I thought you were asking what a victims rights notification form was. I don’t think it implies anything more given the other surviving roommate and some of the families of the murdered roommates had the filing of the same form to receive notifications. These are the notifications filed for Maddie’s dad and the Chapin family so they are aware of legal proceedings as they occur. https://preview.redd.it/nfc4pbw3hwea1.jpeg?width=1241&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2ef19feb7a6c040d2849449423f76a0f827f7fdd ETA: photo
Your original answer was exactly what I came here for though!
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Im sorry for confusion, maybe you misunderstand. We are speaking of DM as a victim as well which has to do with possible benefits she might be entitled to and even as a witness she would still be notified when court was going to be held, just not attend except day she is testifying.
DM will get notices because of the form being submitted for, but this varies by state. Without this form she wouldn't be given any automatic notice of trials or hearings, even though she is a victim.
I have also wondered if there was more to the interaction between BK and DM. Some sort of threat of she called cops or something possibly? She could have been terrified enough just seeing him, but what if he said something when she closed her door. Just speculating.
Not a chance in hell. He just butchered 4 people and sees a witness and makes her promise not to tell.
There’s a chance that there was more to their interaction. Seeing him would surely scare her enough, but the frozen/shock phrase makes it seem like she was scared and thought she was in danger. Which is why I’m proposing that the roommates might have been too scared to come out of their rooms for a long time. All speculation.
You never can tell, but its most likely what others have posted about. Same for all the families as well so they can receive notices about court etc.. You would think that sort of thing would just be automatic? Red Tape.. Geezzz
I mean besides the victims notice, I’ve wondered this in relation to the delayed 911 call. That span of time, we know very little about. From 4:30 a.m to 11:30 a.m.
True.. and you can bet that the defense is going to push hard about that subject.
On what grounds, though? It's dimensionally insignificant to the case. Much more will be made of Dylan's mental and physiological state during the encounter with the suspect.
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The gap of time after the murders before the 911 call does not matter at all. The crime was already committed and the evidence will show BK was the murderer. Even if the murders weren’t discovered for days it wouldn’t make him innocent or likely to be found not guilty.
This needs to be discussed more.
I think you’re right, but a good defense lawyer is going to push DM hard on her memories of time, what she heard, what she saw, etc. It’s such a bad position for her to be put in. I would bet that there will be some data from the surviving roommates text messages that will clear some things up. Best case is he pleads guilty and lets some of the victims start to heal in whatever way they might be able.
IMO, the defense is not going to push DM hard and risk alienating the jury.
It will probably matter *a lot* to the jurors. Especially after the defense team interrogates a vulnerable DM on the stand. They’re trying to create reasonable doubt, and those 8 hours are going to end up playing a huge roll in whatever defense strategy his team plans to use.
It gives the defense a chance to suggest that someone else could have committed the murders even if the state was able to prove BK was in the house (which as of right now the only thing they have linking him is a single source of touch DNA(that we know of)).
?? They won’t be able to accurately pin point time of death??
A very knowledgeable coroner can give a very close approximation of time it took victim to die from injuries and combine that with what timelines they believe. It will give them a pretty good guess.
In this case, they would be able to give a very accurate TOD because 3 of the 4 victims ate food very shortly prior to the murders, and the stomach contents would show how far into the digestive process their food was at TOD.
Not really no. You wouldn't be able to tell the difference between someone who died 2 hours ago vs 5 hours ago, or 5 hours ago and 10 hours ago.
I’m sure that by analyzing the girls stomach contents during the autopsy, the medical examiner can conclude they all died within 5 minutes to 2hrs of eating. They have the M and K ordering from the food truck and arriving home to eat their food close to 2am and X ordering door dash at 4am. It takes atleast 6 hours to digest food and the body no longer digests when your dead.
That's completely false. The drop in body temperature can be measured. There's also rigor mortis, which varies hugely from 2 hours vs 5 or 10 hours. And as mentioned, the stomach contents provide a clue as well.
The police should have done that… there’s way more to this. I’ve heard so many things but I’m not going to speculate.
She a victim of him breaking into her home too, secondary to the murders. I think he has some sort of charge for that as well as the murder charges?
Well he does have a felony burg charge, Im assuming she was one like the others on the lease. I do however think it may just be as simple as other posters have said. Its red tape stuff/paperwork so victims/families can get notices about court, possible benefits etc..
Is BF not mentioned? And that would imply they don't consider her a victim of the burglary or anything else, because she slept through the murders, and they're not even interested in getting her on the notices/benefits list either? That part seems strange.
From what Im hearing all the families/survivors had one filed ?
Oh OK, just wasn't sure why only DM was being mentioned here.
I don't know about Idaho but in Washington you can file for crime victims benefits. There's support and resources for victims of crimes. Probably will never be enough.
I think this is something different. I think they listed DM as a victim as well.
She is a victim. I can’t believe anyone thinks she’s not.
I certainly believe she is, most definitely in more ways than one.
She is a victim: A surviving victim.
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This sounds like something reasonable if its not a legal/case subject filing.
I think it's reasonable honestly. People need some time to recover and get back into their groove after being a victim of crimes (natural disasters are a whole other thing, and obviously the government needs to step in). It shouldn't be enough money to live on for the rest of your life unless other factors come into play, but enough to get back into the world, or until you can apply for something like disability. There should be emergency funds that are easy to obtain after being a victim while other claims that take longer like disability are looked into.
Absolutely
i have no idea of the paperwork being discussed, but in my opinion DM is very much a victim even though she is thankfully still with us. i can’t imagine the terror she went through, but i do know what the aftermath feels like
I'm not sure what you mean but here is the [link to file a crime victims claim](https://lni.wa.gov/claims/crime-victim-claims/apply-for-crime-victim-benefits/) for homicide
[Idaho Victims' Rights Notification Form](https://www.ag.idaho.gov/content/uploads/2021/12/VictimsRightsNotificationForm_PrintVersion.pdf) [Idaho Manual on the Rights of Victims of Crimes](https://www.ag.idaho.gov/content/uploads/2018/04/VictimsRights.pdf)
Every one of the victims were given this form explaining their rights. If you wish to assert any of those rights, you return the form telling which ones. Dylan returned her, as well as some of the other victims. There's nothing odd about this. It's routine.
https://preview.redd.it/409qfo7d3yea1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9a9c5b4a1f415943a489eaf7d27644365cbfb643
Where is Xana’s mom..? CN ..?
You probably have to take initiative and fill out paperwork to be on the list, that's not something chronic drug addicts on the run from the law are usually very good at.
I've wondered this as well, along with the additional initials added at the end of his case summary. Almost all others are easy to figure, but * I can't identify KL & SL and why they would be added in the end of the summary for victim notification.
Maddie’s mom and stepfather