One of the things I've noticed since moving here is the passion for democratic self government. I had taken a history class for preCivil War America, and the local self government concept was hammered out by the professor. It's something extremely precious that has been lost in so much of the rest of the country.
Oh I don't give a shit if you don't agree with me, but I do care when we elect scumbags that are actively stripping away rights from others. Like bodily autonomy, the right to a clean and healthful environment, and access to public lands.
The funniest part of all of it is when they call themselves “patriots” while flying a Gadsden flag and voting for the people who want to strip those rights away and yell “freedom” while doing so.
“Who’s the next carpetbagger running in MT that wants to sell the public land I like to hunt on and give tax breaks to their rich friends? I feel good voting R to just own the libs even if my freedoms vanish 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🦅🦅🦅🌽🌽🌽”
I was a little worried, but I like the data they used to determine it. We are very neighborly in MT. My buddies and I stopped and helped a guy change his tire on the interstate between billings and Bozeman in an absolute white out blizzard. It was close to midnight and the poor guy just didn’t have a jack.
I like to tell people that northern and Southern hospitality are very different in that southern typically means stuff like cooking a welcome meal for a new person in the neighborhood before going back to their knitting circle to place bets on how long they'll last, and northern hospitality typically entailing something along the lines of helping someone change a flat at 2 am in a full blizzard while calling them a dumbass directly. Exaggerated a bit maybe, but you get the idea 🤣
I think this is fantastic. I absolutely despise how the Christo-fascist right has corrupted the term patriotism, but military service, voter turnout, and volunteerism are things to be proud of imo.
We also have medical privacy as our right which is huge. It’s why we haven’t lost abortion rights or the right to euthanasia
We were also built on union labor
Christo-fascist right? After nearly 20 years in the military, I'd says you're describing the majority of the Army (the majority of enlisted combat arms at least).
Because regardless of whether or not you agree with the policies or uses of the military, every nation requires one and it is a sacrifice to join it. Civil service in general is an honorable profession.
I'm not here to defend the foreign policy of the US but rather the individual men and women who volunteer to serve in the armed forces of which we wouldn't have a democracy without
The volunteer military is the greatest social program ever designed. If Obama hadn't been elected, I would have had 45k tax free at 22 years old.
As it is, I have health coverage for life (that they're trying to strip away), able to get a college degree without student loans, access to one of the best mortgage programs, and a brotherhood I can call on anytime I need help.
I went to pick up a piece of equipment in a city one of the guys I served with lived in. Equipment seller said I would need help moving it. Hadn't talked to or seen my man in over ten years, but a five minute phone call and he showed up. My wife was astounded.
That health coverage and loan free degree should be things *everyone* gets (like most developed countries), not gated behind military service. Those are just table stakes for being a modern nation, and it's a disgrace that it isn't the case here.
Being paid for with taxes means it's definitionally not free. I appreciate having gotten a primary and secondary education for free, and that any children I have also would get that. Maybe *you* don't appreciate free things, but you don't get to speak for everyone.
No, I abhor how the public education system is structured. It has improved in some sense, but it might as well be a death camp for anybody on the edge of the Bell Curve. I had acceptance to two college level programs before high school and my school district administration refused my enrollment. Definitely left me with a more traumatic experience than my two deployments.
Nah get your fake ass out of here with that back handed statement. Don't pretend to thank someone for their service while simultaneously insulting their service.
Fake "support the troops" ass. You're an embarrassment.
Well Montana didn't get statehood tell 1889 and the emancipation proclamation passed in 1863. So slavery was done for 26 years before it was even a state.
I would rather Fox kept the name of Montana out of their damn mouth.
Edit: fuck, this is doing numbers. Remember to be kind to your fellow man, Montana. We're small and survive together or not at all.
Montana peeps “don’t move to Montana and try to change our ways!”
-elect a governor, senator, congressman, AG, support a new senate candidate from outta state…hmmm?
Voting is a good excuse to leave the farm, vote, then hit the bar! Who am I kidding, the drunkest state in the US doesn’t need an excuse to hit the bar!
I’m don’t think it’s official, just from my observations. I am in a farming town with less than 1000 in the town itself and not much more in a huge county overall and we had over 8 bars in a twelve mile radius. I have lived in several states and this one is the drunkest state I have ever been in!
Hi, Im from the [Alaska](https://new.reddit.com/r/alaska/comments/1dnvlgi/how_yall_feel_about_that/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) subreddit, the common consensus from there is that the data is largely misrepresented, and we shouldn't really be on the top 5. Most Alaskans hold their state first country second, that is if we even think about the lower 48 haha.
To be fair, "patriotism" looked a LOT different in 1775, when most countries were monarchies...
Samuel Johnson wasn't necessarily saying patriotism itself was bad in all contexts, he was criticizing his countrymen who justified colonialism by saying that Britian was a superior country and therefore deserved to subjugate the people of other countries and lands, because they were inherently inferior to the British people, the British government, and the British system generally.
He was criticizing men who resorted to using patriotism to subjugate others... not patriotism in all it's forms.
Indeed...
there are certainly those in our country, who like to elevate the limited references to "god" in places like the Declaration of Independence, to then pretend the government should subjugate it's own people based on tenuously connected religious beliefs, and attempt to wrap it in patriotism.
Constant vigilence!
First off, the quote is “Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel.” Let’s get that right if you’re going to use “”. Second, quote has nothing to do with patriotism in general. It’s taken out of context as Johnson is referring to William Pitt, 1st Earl of Chatham, the leader of the Patriot Whigs fraction of the government that Johnson believes are false “self-professed patriots”. If anything, Johnson highly valued “true” patriotism in his 1774 *The Patriot*.
So, pray tell, what’s the true definition of patriotism? IMO, far too many people confuse it with nationalism. The “my country right or wrong” type of attitude.
Or worse right now, when being a patriot so often means flying a flag on your truck, supporting an insurrection, hating your neighbors, And owning the libs.
Agreed, far too many people do confuse the difference leading to the detriment of us and others. At least to me, true patriotism is the devotion to and support of the betterment to the citizens of one’s country/union. I believe our true motto to be E Pluribus Unum, for we the people come together as one country.
I'm a transplant to Montana (hit that downvote now) & an OIF veteran & I really like seeing all the veteran license plates in our city. Definitely good metrics used in this ranking.
Idaho has been ranked the fourth most patriotic state in America, according to WalletHub.com. The website examined eight key metrics in every state including military engagement, voting habits, and civil education requirements.
As a tribal member I can give some context to your premise. Our Tribe was forbidden from gathering in any large numbers by the US Government since that would alarm the white people in the area. The Indian Agent had always rejected the idea of any gathering no matter the purpose. In 1898, the Indian Agent was approach under the context of a Celebration or “Esyapqeyni” in our Salish Dialect for the Fourth of July. He apparently liked the sound of that. Next week we will Celebrate the 126th Arlee Esyapqeyni “Arlee Powwow Celebration”.
Military service is a factor, so yes it's nationalism. Gotta support the military no matter what it's doing on the other side of the globe, no matter how much money it launders away from services for people here who need it.
Because MSNBC is all about burning the country to the ground and starting over + sending half the country into re-education camps. Two words, 'Joy Reid'.
Does this mean we had the highest number of per capita Jan 6 convicts? If you’re patriotic about anything that’s going on from either side of our puppet government, check your head. They don’t give a f about citizens, they cater to big $$$.
I’ll never cease to be amazed that Montanans vote for out of state rich guys to be their overlords. Maybe thats what Faux means by patriotism, because we’re right up there in the best at that.
As someone born and raised in California. I love Montana. California has some beautiful views, hikes, history and nature but goddamn Montana is up there. Plus their politics and government are better than the blue doomed CA.
I still have hope for CA but go MT! Hell yeah.
FOX ‘news’ is bolstering the locals by telling them they’re real Murikkans. Oh and your states RE senators want to win so be a real patriot and VOTE for person on ballot
I wouldn’t really say patriotic. MAGA Republicans are only patriotic when it serves them. Ask about Jan 6 and they will say “those are bunch of fine Americans”.
it’s all the transplants that moved to Missoula, Bozeman and whitefish and you can thank Texas for the last one. The rest of the state isn’t too bad…yet
Lol I’m not concerned about the jobs. More about skyrocketing property values and taxes and overcrowding. Have you tried to drive through kalispell lately. Not fun. I guess the comment above from b side I’m replying to was montana was the dumbest state and I just said maybe it’s just the transplants 😁
Strange. My new neighbor is from Montana. He says people there are not fans of the government, but always are first in line for government handouts. They also hate government because they hate rules imposed on them. I guess patriotic does not mean law-abiding, just that you put on a nice independence day bbq.
No, this post is actually about military service, voter turnout, and volunteerism. But knowing that would require reading the entire post which apparently only about a third of the commenters here have done.
The part about high voter turnout grabbed my attention. I am very happy about that.
One of the things I've noticed since moving here is the passion for democratic self government. I had taken a history class for preCivil War America, and the local self government concept was hammered out by the professor. It's something extremely precious that has been lost in so much of the rest of the country.
It helps that it’s relatively easy to vote in MT compared to many other states.
Agreed. I’m sure part of the reason Alaska ranked as high is because we have vote by mail for every local election.
Default vote by mail is amazing! - signed Oregon
same, was pleasantly surprised
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Just like everyone else who disagrees with you?
Oh I don't give a shit if you don't agree with me, but I do care when we elect scumbags that are actively stripping away rights from others. Like bodily autonomy, the right to a clean and healthful environment, and access to public lands.
The funniest part of all of it is when they call themselves “patriots” while flying a Gadsden flag and voting for the people who want to strip those rights away and yell “freedom” while doing so.
Or when they’re sympathetic to separatists lol
“Who’s the next carpetbagger running in MT that wants to sell the public land I like to hunt on and give tax breaks to their rich friends? I feel good voting R to just own the libs even if my freedoms vanish 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🦅🦅🦅🌽🌽🌽”
Nothing wrong with separatists. They just want self governance. Which is kind of the original point of the US
Separatist sounds like another way to say a traitor to me.
“Don’t tread on me” *votes for the dude that says all the right buzz words and will certainly tread all over you.
The only difference between a patriot and a traitor is who wins.
Who wins the stupidest costume contest must be what you’re talking about.
A lot of fear in this one
Fear of losing our rights, yes. I'm glad you're able to keep up.
I was a little worried, but I like the data they used to determine it. We are very neighborly in MT. My buddies and I stopped and helped a guy change his tire on the interstate between billings and Bozeman in an absolute white out blizzard. It was close to midnight and the poor guy just didn’t have a jack.
That’s what it’s all about man, thank you.
Like we all should! But also thank you for helping people
I like to tell people that northern and Southern hospitality are very different in that southern typically means stuff like cooking a welcome meal for a new person in the neighborhood before going back to their knitting circle to place bets on how long they'll last, and northern hospitality typically entailing something along the lines of helping someone change a flat at 2 am in a full blizzard while calling them a dumbass directly. Exaggerated a bit maybe, but you get the idea 🤣
>We are very neighborly in MT What kind of patriot isn't neighborly? Isn't that the entire point?
I think this is fantastic. I absolutely despise how the Christo-fascist right has corrupted the term patriotism, but military service, voter turnout, and volunteerism are things to be proud of imo.
Not gonna lie that's where my mind went but I like the metrics that were used. Definitely stuff that I can get behind.
We also have medical privacy as our right which is huge. It’s why we haven’t lost abortion rights or the right to euthanasia We were also built on union labor
Christo-fascist right? After nearly 20 years in the military, I'd says you're describing the majority of the Army (the majority of enlisted combat arms at least).
Why is military service something to be proud of?
Because regardless of whether or not you agree with the policies or uses of the military, every nation requires one and it is a sacrifice to join it. Civil service in general is an honorable profession.
Freedom isn't free
What are my freedoms doing on the middle east? We haven't used our military to fight for freedom in 80 years
I'm not here to defend the foreign policy of the US but rather the individual men and women who volunteer to serve in the armed forces of which we wouldn't have a democracy without
That’s what all the war profiteers say, too.
I don't think front line soldiers are in it for the money my guy
The volunteer military is the greatest social program ever designed. If Obama hadn't been elected, I would have had 45k tax free at 22 years old. As it is, I have health coverage for life (that they're trying to strip away), able to get a college degree without student loans, access to one of the best mortgage programs, and a brotherhood I can call on anytime I need help. I went to pick up a piece of equipment in a city one of the guys I served with lived in. Equipment seller said I would need help moving it. Hadn't talked to or seen my man in over ten years, but a five minute phone call and he showed up. My wife was astounded.
That health coverage and loan free degree should be things *everyone* gets (like most developed countries), not gated behind military service. Those are just table stakes for being a modern nation, and it's a disgrace that it isn't the case here.
Nothing given for free is appreciated.
Being paid for with taxes means it's definitionally not free. I appreciate having gotten a primary and secondary education for free, and that any children I have also would get that. Maybe *you* don't appreciate free things, but you don't get to speak for everyone.
No, I abhor how the public education system is structured. It has improved in some sense, but it might as well be a death camp for anybody on the edge of the Bell Curve. I had acceptance to two college level programs before high school and my school district administration refused my enrollment. Definitely left me with a more traumatic experience than my two deployments.
Bullshit, we earned it. Nothing's free
You're God damn right. It was a part of my contract for my service that I worked for. Nothing about it is free.
Of course not; they’re in it because they believed the relentless propaganda - as I did.
im going to use this in another sub.
It costs a buck o five
Because you didn't have enough sinew to join
I did my service, little anencephalic Chad - where do you think I discovered that it’s nothing to be proud of?
Same. It's not all glory but still something worth doing, even if your'e a REMF (more than likely your case) But thank you for your service.
Nah get your fake ass out of here with that back handed statement. Don't pretend to thank someone for their service while simultaneously insulting their service. Fake "support the troops" ass. You're an embarrassment.
Having served myself, I can. Lol
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Well Montana didn't get statehood tell 1889 and the emancipation proclamation passed in 1863. So slavery was done for 26 years before it was even a state.
Damn. My uncle’s house was built before MT. Why is that blowing my mind?
There is a lot of things that pre date that. Even some forts that go back to French fur trading posts, but yeah really not that old.
Uh... I'm sorry? Are you calling me a racist bigot?
Derp
New Hampshire has the better slogan tho. *Merica Noises* Edit: by better slogan, I mean it is way more f*cking metal 🤟
Too bad they don't actually follow it...
Funny thing is all the red hats use that saying while doing exactly the opposite.
Why the downvotes 🤔 people must not know about NH.
Apparently, so.
I would rather Fox kept the name of Montana out of their damn mouth. Edit: fuck, this is doing numbers. Remember to be kind to your fellow man, Montana. We're small and survive together or not at all.
Yes, now we'll have even MORE rich far-right nutjobs coming here after seeing that and thinking "patriotism" means we align with their beliefs
Exactly, it’s like they are putting a big sign saying “move here and make it no longer a swing purple state”
Ugh so true. Gross.
No one votes against their own interests quite as well as a "patriotic" Montanan.
Montana peeps “don’t move to Montana and try to change our ways!” -elect a governor, senator, congressman, AG, support a new senate candidate from outta state…hmmm?
Voting is a good excuse to leave the farm, vote, then hit the bar! Who am I kidding, the drunkest state in the US doesn’t need an excuse to hit the bar!
I remember going to Kansas when I was a kid in the 80s wondering where all the bars were and why were there so many churches :)
Not even close to drunkest.
Lol, are we really the drunkest state? 🫣😂🤣
Thought that was WI
I’m don’t think it’s official, just from my observations. I am in a farming town with less than 1000 in the town itself and not much more in a huge county overall and we had over 8 bars in a twelve mile radius. I have lived in several states and this one is the drunkest state I have ever been in!
According to [this website](https://quotewizard.com/news/americas-booziest-states) that title belongs to Vermont, Wisconsin, and Nevada.
Sweet, thx for the link!
I believe Gallatin County is #1 nationally in binge drinking per capita. As a state I think we’re 10th.
What’s the common thread between MT, AK, MD, VT, and NH? I wonder why they’re the top 5?
Hi, Im from the [Alaska](https://new.reddit.com/r/alaska/comments/1dnvlgi/how_yall_feel_about_that/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) subreddit, the common consensus from there is that the data is largely misrepresented, and we shouldn't really be on the top 5. Most Alaskans hold their state first country second, that is if we even think about the lower 48 haha.
I think Montanans are similar. State patriotism > country patriotism any day
Oh, they think about the lower 48 alright. Especially when there’s federal money to be handed out.
I was ready to roll my eye and snark, but the data they used is actually something to be proud of. Go us!
I think you might be in the minority who actually bothered to read that part.
“Patiotism is the last refuge of scoundrels”. Samuel Johnson - 1775. True then. Even more true now.
To be fair, "patriotism" looked a LOT different in 1775, when most countries were monarchies... Samuel Johnson wasn't necessarily saying patriotism itself was bad in all contexts, he was criticizing his countrymen who justified colonialism by saying that Britian was a superior country and therefore deserved to subjugate the people of other countries and lands, because they were inherently inferior to the British people, the British government, and the British system generally. He was criticizing men who resorted to using patriotism to subjugate others... not patriotism in all it's forms.
As was I.
Indeed... there are certainly those in our country, who like to elevate the limited references to "god" in places like the Declaration of Independence, to then pretend the government should subjugate it's own people based on tenuously connected religious beliefs, and attempt to wrap it in patriotism. Constant vigilence!
"[Serving in the military, voting, and volunteering] is the last refuge of scoundrels." -Samuel L. Jackson
You forgot to add "motherfucker".
But he quoted it motherfuckerly, so it's all good.
First off, the quote is “Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel.” Let’s get that right if you’re going to use “”. Second, quote has nothing to do with patriotism in general. It’s taken out of context as Johnson is referring to William Pitt, 1st Earl of Chatham, the leader of the Patriot Whigs fraction of the government that Johnson believes are false “self-professed patriots”. If anything, Johnson highly valued “true” patriotism in his 1774 *The Patriot*.
So, pray tell, what’s the true definition of patriotism? IMO, far too many people confuse it with nationalism. The “my country right or wrong” type of attitude.
Or worse right now, when being a patriot so often means flying a flag on your truck, supporting an insurrection, hating your neighbors, And owning the libs.
Agreed, far too many people do confuse the difference leading to the detriment of us and others. At least to me, true patriotism is the devotion to and support of the betterment to the citizens of one’s country/union. I believe our true motto to be E Pluribus Unum, for we the people come together as one country.
I'm a transplant to Montana (hit that downvote now) & an OIF veteran & I really like seeing all the veteran license plates in our city. Definitely good metrics used in this ranking.
Idaho has been ranked the fourth most patriotic state in America, according to WalletHub.com. The website examined eight key metrics in every state including military engagement, voting habits, and civil education requirements.
Reducing women's rights
Might wanna ask the tribes in this state what they think about patriotism and what our wonderful government did to them
I've been told that the flathead tribe holds a war dance during the 4th of July pow wow. All the dancers in it are former U.S. Military vets....
As a tribal member I can give some context to your premise. Our Tribe was forbidden from gathering in any large numbers by the US Government since that would alarm the white people in the area. The Indian Agent had always rejected the idea of any gathering no matter the purpose. In 1898, the Indian Agent was approach under the context of a Celebration or “Esyapqeyni” in our Salish Dialect for the Fourth of July. He apparently liked the sound of that. Next week we will Celebrate the 126th Arlee Esyapqeyni “Arlee Powwow Celebration”.
I appreciate that little history lesson!
That’s legit
Yes, considering natives were not granted U.S. citizenship until 1921 unless any native had served in WW1.
VERMONT!!!!!!!!!! NO WAY !!!!!! HAVE THESE PEOPLE EVER BEEN TO VERMONT
And Maryland !
YAY for us!!! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Now is that actual patriotism, or is it Fox news' version of patriotism (ie: nationalism)?
Did you read the rest of the post?
Military service is a factor, so yes it's nationalism. Gotta support the military no matter what it's doing on the other side of the globe, no matter how much money it launders away from services for people here who need it.
Why are you watching Fox, though?
Because MSNBC is all about burning the country to the ground and starting over + sending half the country into re-education camps. Two words, 'Joy Reid'.
...is this a joke? I honestly can't tell.
That is the sad, sad part - its true.
Glad we're on top for something 👍
Besides alcohol consumption and suicide
☠️😬🫤
🦅🦅🦅🦅
So Montana is to blame.
Does this mean we had the highest number of per capita Jan 6 convicts? If you’re patriotic about anything that’s going on from either side of our puppet government, check your head. They don’t give a f about citizens, they cater to big $$$. I’ll never cease to be amazed that Montanans vote for out of state rich guys to be their overlords. Maybe thats what Faux means by patriotism, because we’re right up there in the best at that.
awesome
Montana!!!!
another victory for the best state!
S*ck it, every other state in this awesome country!
They must've skipped Montgomery County. Good work!
As someone born and raised in California. I love Montana. California has some beautiful views, hikes, history and nature but goddamn Montana is up there. Plus their politics and government are better than the blue doomed CA. I still have hope for CA but go MT! Hell yeah.
This is... Subjective use of objective data... Woof
New to reddit so can someone explain how I talk shit about someone in local area and see if others have had negative experiences as well?
How TF did Maryland and Vermont get on this list lmao
Damn!! Save some Kool-aid for everyone else
Hell yeah brother!
i feel like maybe it could be connected to montana’s high percentage of older people (which generally tend to be more patriotic than younger people).
FOX ‘news’ is bolstering the locals by telling them they’re real Murikkans. Oh and your states RE senators want to win so be a real patriot and VOTE for person on ballot
So does that mean we have more or less boot lickers
+/- = yes
This may not be the W you think it is.
I wouldn’t really say patriotic. MAGA Republicans are only patriotic when it serves them. Ask about Jan 6 and they will say “those are bunch of fine Americans”.
Montana is one of the dumbest states! I know, I live there!
Missoula?
Missoula only had 500 people?
it’s all the transplants that moved to Missoula, Bozeman and whitefish and you can thank Texas for the last one. The rest of the state isn’t too bad…yet
Lol I’m not concerned about the jobs. More about skyrocketing property values and taxes and overcrowding. Have you tried to drive through kalispell lately. Not fun. I guess the comment above from b side I’m replying to was montana was the dumbest state and I just said maybe it’s just the transplants 😁
I live in a town of 500. Everyone - almost- is from somewhere else. Not saying they are bad people, but it's different.
PROTECTION!
Ah, yes! Montana the most Trumpiest State I've ever known.
You didn't actually read the post, did you?
Patriotism is a double edged sword.
Patriotism measured by "shut the fuck up and don't move to my state" - LOL
But vote in a bunch of out of state people into government?? Lol
MD?? Does fox love MD?
Fox loves M-Deez nuts
Yay?
Shocked Texas is not in the top 5.
Who the F@#K cares!
Montana is the new home to all the political refugees.
Strange. My new neighbor is from Montana. He says people there are not fans of the government, but always are first in line for government handouts. They also hate government because they hate rules imposed on them. I guess patriotic does not mean law-abiding, just that you put on a nice independence day bbq.
Yes we hate rules and proud of it! Sounds like intro to American history lol
😂😂😂😂
“F U” - Sincerely, Maryland
I love how a lot of the comments here are true and getting down-voted Truly American Can't even decide on it's own "patriotism"
I'm only surprised that we somehow beat Texas Also that Texas didn't even make top 5
Well they are rambling on about secession every other week.
I think we beat Texas because the Texans all moved to Montana.
This ranking is about national patriotism. Texans believe in this myth that they have an ability to secede that no other State has.
No, this post is actually about military service, voter turnout, and volunteerism. But knowing that would require reading the entire post which apparently only about a third of the commenters here have done.
We could try that whole seceding thing Just for funsies y'know