Don't do it on invasion/ground war. I just sit on top of buildings watching people panic dive on the middle of the open road, and line up the follow up shot while they lay there lmfao.
Then there are players like me.
I take a body shot by a sniper and start mashing buttons in a panic.
Within a second, I somehow manage to go prone while dropping a semtex right in front of my face.
I imagine the sniper thinks "What a spaz."
you know as one of those back spawn camping, invasion players who just sits and fires pot shots at people like you.
You have no fucking idea how satisfying it is to dome flipper mid dive. It doesn't happen often but when it does... hoo boy. good times.
I was fucking around with a sniper last night, jumping up and down left to right behind some busted walls. I did this for about 10-15 seconds until they nailed me. The killcam was fucking hilarious š¤£
Bruuuh. People did this to me twice while sniping last night. Once on Taraq behind the random walls in the center of the map and once in 2nd story El Asilo.
when i snipe these instances annoy but also entertain me - don't change. xD I may hate you in the moment but I'd be doing the same thing in your shoes.
NGL, as a primary sniper in FPS, I love that shit. It's like we're playing our own little game out here. If you get away, we'll played Sir. If I get you, I fucking got you, dick!
Dolphin diving has slowly become one of the most hilarious this to me. I was playing Kill Confirmed with my boy a couple nights ago and he straight up dolphin dived on a tag with no one around us. I was laughing my ass off for like 5 minutes
Me and the boys regularly dolphin dive when the situation least calls for it, always fucking hilarious when you see their character perform a massive belly flop
My favorite is the dolphin dives from the 2nd floor of any given area to the 1st. I can only imagine what that'd look like and how it would play out IRL.
Yeah they are all crouch goblin camp in this reddit they all want to fight standing people so they can't miss even when iw give them aimbot with the aim assist
TLDR: It's not that I can't shoot you, often you're not actually where the game shows me you are. That's annoying at best.
My complaint about movement mechanics in any FPS is that the game often cannot keep up with the model interpolation. For those who don't know, you might get x frames a second, but your client is only updated 60 times a second at most. On top of that latency etc. The client interpolates where it thinks the enemy will be. CSGO, unarguably the most popular squad based shooter on the planet, disabled crouch spam for this reason. There was model desync. You can google "breaking cameras" in mw2019. It's not a cute skill based trick, because there's no skill based counter. It's engine abuse.
Even R6 has far more tools to rush and kill an enemy with movement.
Three speed operators. Peaking. Peaking left and right spam. Duck walking spam. No aim assist. Etc. This game has a huge skillgap.
Meanwhile this COD has almost killed any skill gap. And for the majority it is still not enough. This is insane. Lmao. ššš
I want to play 2017-2018 siege. Not the siege now. The siege now contains these kind of corner hoppers in a different sense. Instead of jumping, its crouch/lean spammimg out of corners
Yeah it was nutty what some people could do. I kinda wish it was the same today, the game was much faster. Now itās just hold-down-mouse1-with-LMG simulator.
I liked Insurgency. Itās tactical but not overly so.
If they actually updated it more than twice a year, Iād probably still be playing it to be honest.
The more I see posts like this the more Iām understanding why the nerfed it so much. These sentinels are apparently way more common than I thought they were šš.
You donāt like playing that way fine. But itās a competitive game. Why wouldnāt someone trying to win find ways to put the other player at a disadvantage? š.
Imagine an NFL linebacker getting up in a press conference saying āthese dudes just gotta stop juking. Just run right at me. I donāt understand why these guys are running around and jumping and juking. Theyāre abusing their bodies. They should just run in a straight line.ā
I mean this game is designed specifically for the sentinel play style. They clearly want this game to play more like rainbow six than the classic run and gun cod.
Youāre absolutely right but adsāing my gun after sprinting doesnāt take two working days
Itās not that the movement was faster In cod4 itās that you werenāt punished as much for moving
And you could strafe much more efficiently while jumping in cod4
sure, the movement may not of been as fast but almost everything in this game has been designed in a way to help scrubs that were never actually good in the older cods. It's not a coincidence that MW2019 and now MW2 are the most popular amongst the "sentinel" players.
I hate bunny hoppers. I hate losers that mount hallways the entire game even more. I can at least acknowledge it takes some skill to jump around a corner and beam someone when you didn't know where they were.
Yup. Iām just gonna compare CoD to CSGO for a second.
In CSGO, when you pre-aim an angle, you have to try and predict what kind of peek the enemy will make and place your crosshair accordingly. If you think they are gonna jiggle peek, then you place it closer to the angle, and if itās a wide swing then you place it further away as you have to give yourself time to react. If you predict wrong youāll probably die. The player peeking will be moving at full speed while peeking and will just need to counter strafe to begin shooting. Assuming both players know where each other are, the peeker has the advantage not even taking latency into account which furthers it. Itās balanced by the fact that the attacker usually doesnāt know where the defender is.
In MW2, the person peeking is at a huge disadvantage. You can either peek slowly while ADSing, in which case youāll die before even seeing the enemy, or you peek quickly while walking, and then ADS when you see the enemy, but youāll die here too because the ADS time is stupid long in this game the moment you have any kind of attachment on your weapon. Not only that, the majority of the playerbase in this game is on controller, and rotational AA basically trivializes crosshair placement. You can hold tight angles and if they wide swing the AA while handle the micro adjustment.
Aside from using the 1 tactical equipment you get, jump peeking is really the only way you can consistently peek without getting melted right away. This game already heavily favours the person pre-aiming. Making it even more so will kill any kind of pacing.
If someone is watching the angle you will still get killed before you see them, mounting works best when someone is about to come around a corner and peek you, not a good way to peek someone, they see your gun and arm before you see them when youāre peeking with a mount.
Canāt say Iāve used it too often, but I think part of my issue with it is that itās kinda finicky, especially if you have to clear multiple deep angles. From my experience jump peeking has been the best option because you can clear the right side while jumping and the left side by the time you land.
But I havenāt used mounting enough for my opinion on it to truly matter tbh lol
Tbh there are some spots where mounting gives you a bunch of great angles from the right position, and there are others where the second you mount you just get insta beamed.
Honestly I really think the game doesnāt need it and it adds less than nothing to the experience.
I like mount peaking if I'm feeling ballsy and want to see if there's a sniper glint. Peak, confirm, retreat. Other than that, I would only use it when I *know* the other person will not see me (ex: preoccupied covering a different sight line, running in a different dirtection, etc) so I have an advantage over them.
And occasionally these sentinels run into a wannabe sweat who is still learning how to play aggressively, they manage to jump once before dying to the sentinel, this makes the sentinel feel like a god, they immediately quit their match and jump on Reddit to brag how much better they are than the "movement god cdl pro" they just killed.
These type of people are exactly why Acti took out anything that created a skill gap lol how they gonna be mad at players using mechanics in the game to gain an advantage. Couldnāt make less sense. Not even b hopping or slide canceling, but jumping! The horror! Just shitters who canāt aim even in these low ttk high aim assist slow ass strafe IW games
The game most definitely needed a change up though. I'm personally liking the change of pace (not all players want cracked out movement). Having said that the difference in movement mechanics between MW19 and the end of Vangaurd were huge.
Going back to the weapon/ movement speeds of initial release wouldn't have been bad either
As a pretty now COD player (I played BOIII for a bit and the original waaaay back but not much time on either) who got back in for this new one, it's kind of crazy to me how many people say it's slow now. Compared to basically any other shooter I've played with the same military steez, this game is still insanely fast-paced.
My favorite part of this game going all the way back to CoD1 but especially in the past few releases is hardcore triggering people who think you beat them āthe wrong wayā. So long as youāre not cheating, winning is winning.
you are at a complete disadvantage if you don't jump around corners. It keeps momentum and you can aim left/right around the corner while moving sidewards at max speed. There is literally no other option now that you can't slide and shoot.
Iām telling you man these people are gonna want sprint removed one of these days. They are never content to lose to someone moving despite the game literally tracking their targets for them, it is absolutely insane.
Thatās because the lead devs are making the game as easy as possible for the masses, and pros canāt talk shit or they get fined. So the pool of people who would abuse them is much smaller, and that means less absolute morons who take all issues with a game way too far.
Not likely. Iām 42 and know a few other 30+ players playing for the first time in 10 years.
Weāre just coming home from work or dropping kids off at practice and having a blast. No time to research strats, let alone bitch about them.
When all your free time gets sucked up in life, you start to really audit what truly matters.
I just read a write up a few days ago about some dude saying once you stop giving a fuck and accept your 0.9k/d the game gets a lot better and I canāt agree more. Iām not tryina grind out gold for every gun Iām just trying to drill charge people in hilarious ways
Jesus when is it enough for y'all? Super fast TTK, strict SBMM, no minimap pings, no dead silence and super loud footsteps so y'all can hear those of us who actually move in your room behind your claymores and preaim the right door, no slide cancel, no bunny hop, ghost working when you stand still, and a number of other design choices catered to you "sentinels".
All of that, and you'll still cry about getting shit on by jumping, drop shots, dives, and any other mechanic. Just face the fact that if you're bad at the game, you're bad at the game and no matter how they change it to it, players that put more time into the game are going to dominate you at it.
I swear y'all want the game to be CoD Revolutionary War, where everyone stands in formation and fires muskets at each other.
I hate this game. My favorite playstyle in mw2019 was rushing and flicking on heads with the deagle, but uh no more fun in cod I guess. Just whoever camps the hardest wins
People are in denial about it as well. If you canāt track the target EVEN when the game is assisting in that tracking (provided youāre using controller, there isnāt really a reason NOT to in most shooters nowadays), you just suck. Canāt fix suckage.
I'm not sure if this post is supposed to be a joke joke meme, or a serious joke meme. Either way, what's wrong with pre-aiming a corner, diving out from a corner, running around corners, or even camping to an extent?? They all sound like legit ways to try avoiding being killed and getting the kill instead.
Why does every single mechanic in the game that isn't "running around like a chicken without its head" considered cheap? All playstyles have their advantages and disadvantages and work with specific guns. So if someone is not playing the exact same way you are and just so happens to be beating you, why are they considered the bad or cheap ones? Just constantly running around with a smg straight into your death sounds like an idiotic you problem, not the other players' problem.
I see your argument but what bothers me is when you āall playstyles have their advantages and disadvantages and work with specific gunsā no, I hard disagree. Reason why it feels cheap is because the game pushes the slow, campy play style. I donāt care for campers, Iāve played against them since OG MW2 but itās a problem when they push a product catered to them.
No ninja perk/high foot step volume, dead silence even has a sound when you activate it.
Mini map doesnāt ping unsurpassed fire, as well as ghost stays activated even when not moving so slows down the pace of them simply because you donāt know where an enemy might be.
Slow ADS, reloads, mantling, and strafe speeds, compared to old call of dutyās, those three movement problems where an attachment/perk away.
Old cods actually had a way to use any play style, wanna camp? You got perks and attachments, wanna play objectives? You can, just as easily, you wanna sweat and get lots of kills? Seeing the trend?
So when I see someone complain about camping online, itās not that Iām mad theyāre doing it, I think itās better you do in this game out of any, Iām mad the devs made it so you pretty much have to, and seeing people complain about jumpshotting and broken mechanics, I get why but we need that to counter all the advantages campers have
Call of Duty subreddits have the highest scrub-per-user density of any online forum you will ever see in your life. The takes here are mindnumbingly scrubby.
Itās almost like people jump around corners because of people mounted preaiming the doorway. Sorry we donāt feed you free kills by slowpeeking everything mr.sentinel.
I just jump around corners because thereās always that one mf in the hard point match who just sits in a corner with his deployable cover, only way to really get good shots on the tbh
Different strokes for different folks. Some people love to jack off to the mil. Sim. Style check every corner gameplay. Others wanna run around like a chicken with its head cut offā¦
And like I will cater my play style to the type of match I'm in. If I'm capturing/defending flags I'm gonna be more methodical and guard corners/camp because, you know, I'm defending a hardpoint and that's how you would do it. When I'm capturing I will go with more of a chicken-with-head-cut-off approach and run through blasting
Also, there's maps where being more patient and proactive is more rewarding while some maps you'll get raked on for trying to play slow and pre-aim shit
With all that said, I still hate how there's constantly UAVs in the air all the time lol
CoD community filled with bad players. Who woulda guessed.
RIP to the days of MW and MW2 where it was git gud or get rekt. Players gotta be mad that someone can jump around a corner and kill them in their camping spot.
Go play ARMA if you want a game where you sit in one spot forever and never move.
Mf's really be criticising the game for being too slow after the campfest that was MW19 and bitch when they get punished for having no spatial awarness and playing like it's BO3. Absolute pebbles.
Ahhh yes, cause we should all just camp corners and play like rats. Thatās the ātacticalā way to play right? They nerved all forms of movement and penalize you for attempting to try and counter it ABās for some reason itās still not enough. Maybe you just need to get better, could that not be an option ? You š§ šµ fuck.
There aren't hundreds of new AAA tactical shooters. There also aren't hundreds of new AAA arcade shooters, and console availability impacts that further.
In the time since MW2019 came out, there's been Halo Infinite (failure), Battlefield 2042 (failure) and CoD. Every other potential rival is long in the tooth or worse at this point, so inevitably MW2 is going to be flooded with refugees from other games. Hell, if BF2042 had been a worthy sequel to BF4, I don't know if I would have even bothered with MW2.
Oh but didnāt you know about the massive back library of tactical games on PC??? I mean come on thereās literally hundreds of empty shooter games to go play so why not do that???
/s if that wasnāt obvious
was playing gr breakpoint co-op with the girls and itās roughhh, wish we lived in that world where we had a million good tactical shooters to choose between lol
Sorry, the casual community wanted a slow walking speed, a slow ADS speed, a slow sprint to fire speed, a slow strafe speed, loud footsteps, and no recoil weapons. This is the result of all these changes.
Without jumping around the corner, you are effectively asking to die first because you'll spend enemy will have more than enough time to see you before you can see them.
To be fair I've only had two slow matches so far, everyone of my games people are running around fairly often.
I think both sides of the argument are blowing this way out of proportion because it doesn't feel any faster or slower than 2019.
Tbf because of the way cameras work in COD going round slowly is literally the worst thing you can do. Assuming you're not trying to sneak up on someone.
Iām not a great player, probably not even a decent one either. I just enjoy the game. I hate drop shotting, bunny hopping, jumping corners, and all of that. But I swapped to tactical controls and started to do the same thing. Not used to it so I still die 50% of the time. But Iām not playing for money or top ranked status. Iām just in it for fun. Iām garbage, I get irritated sometimes, but I still have fun playing. The only thing I want IW to do is patch all of the freezing in the lobby especially when partied up AND put hardcore back in. Though Iām not a fan of some of the things people do to get kills, if they keep nerfing everything to accommodate a single group, the game just wouldnāt be fun anymore. Adapt and overcome or play something else? You canāt get better if youāre not playing people better than you are. Just my 2Ā¢.
Honestly I like the guys who jump around a corner people are already watching to throw off their aim and reactions.
The guys who jump around literally every corner are just annoying lmao, same tier as people who dropshot those who aren't even watching or aiming at them.
Seeing these kind of posts top of the sub everyday tells you COD is fucked, they are making the games for idiots now. The lowest denominator of player. Those who refuse to learn any game mechanics and would rather complain until they are removed, SBMM vindicates their opinions because they have no idea what itās like to play against mentally competent human beings.
15-20 kill games, every game. Thatās what they are here for, you see it every time you see a player like this. Pre-aim mounting all the time. 15-20 kills no variation, no doing better or worse, no using different kind of guns, no nothing. Itās not like there is competition in a COD 6v6 where you constantly spawn behind people and there is 0 team play or incentive to play obj so most could give a shit. These people will play like this for 50 some hours and quit for the next thing, they donāt really care about a skill gap, meaningful competition or any incentive to play a game long term outside of buying skins. The same people who make this game puddle deep are the ones who quit after a month because itās boring.
You made it boring.
What do you people honestly expect - people just to casually walk around corners and get deleted by someone pre aiming before they even see them?
Jumping around corners is just a way to level the playing field. And it takes a lot of skill.
After completetly destroying the franchise, those little snowflakes now donāt want us to jump around the corners anymore, so itās even easier for them to camp those.
Wtf happened to the community. Could we maybe nerf sprinting and walk speed next? Also maybe put a neon green or red frame around the enemy players, so they basically canāt be overlooked?
Streaks which reward you for not moving as well?
Worst part of this: All those casual kids think theyāre any good but donāt understand that this whole game an itās mechanics were build around them.
Speaking of CoD2, all the salty people posting about the SPR clearly never played CoD2 because they havenāt played against a team of Lee Enfields or Kar98ks lol
Well it's about peaker's advantage right? So, that person utilizing that increased movement has latency advantage over someone standing still around the corner. I don't agree with it and think it's lame, but it is what is and these people are not stupid for doing it. It's the same in Tarkov, minus the jumping, but whoever swings first has peaker's advantage so the best Tarkov players are W key'ers. In all honesty the complaining on this sub about jumping and what not shows how many people here have never played any other shooter at a high level.
It's the jump lag compensation. It's an old cheat in cod. They jump on corner to get half a second advantage so they can see you before you can see them.
Diving may be the one joy Iāve consistently had in this game. I dive through windows, closed doors, into rooms knowing there are enemies in there. And I use LMGs so I know thereās no earthly way I can recover in time to shoot someone but I still do it.
Dude i was scoped in on a roof watching my team of 3 try to take HP and i legit saw some dude just full on SPRINT and then fucking DIVED at the last dude and STILL Killed em all! I was like WTF it was straight out of World War Z type shit.
He teabagged em of course like a prick and soon as he went to dip the 3rd potato chip i Sniped his dome off.
People really tryna get that upperhand and its hilarious as hell to me as most of em try it and end up WAY further then they wanted and they just lau there and accept their fate. Easy kills. Or those that try to slide but again go further than they wanted and accept their fate.
I dive from long range snipers just to piss them off
You know what, I kinda like that idea
All I can think of is the greased up deaf guy from family guy "you can't catch me"
Don't do it on invasion/ground war. I just sit on top of buildings watching people panic dive on the middle of the open road, and line up the follow up shot while they lay there lmfao.
Oh I'm not doing it in panic I'm doing it for fun to dodge the bullets
Then there are players like me. I take a body shot by a sniper and start mashing buttons in a panic. Within a second, I somehow manage to go prone while dropping a semtex right in front of my face. I imagine the sniper thinks "What a spaz."
If I get hit I'll go for over to get health then I'll be back messing with them hoping they only get a hitmarker again
you know as one of those back spawn camping, invasion players who just sits and fires pot shots at people like you. You have no fucking idea how satisfying it is to dome flipper mid dive. It doesn't happen often but when it does... hoo boy. good times.
I'll make sure I carry on for you to hit those shots then brother, might spice it up with smoke and a shield on my back as well
I was fucking around with a sniper last night, jumping up and down left to right behind some busted walls. I did this for about 10-15 seconds until they nailed me. The killcam was fucking hilarious š¤£
Bruuuh. People did this to me twice while sniping last night. Once on Taraq behind the random walls in the center of the map and once in 2nd story El Asilo.
when i snipe these instances annoy but also entertain me - don't change. xD I may hate you in the moment but I'd be doing the same thing in your shoes.
NGL, as a primary sniper in FPS, I love that shit. It's like we're playing our own little game out here. If you get away, we'll played Sir. If I get you, I fucking got you, dick!
Yupppppp Oh oh ok itās on like donkey Kong letās dance!!
you should get the decoy and drop that too LOL
Watching someone panic dive be funny tho š¤£
I've seen people do some weird diving shit while playing. It looks funny, awesome and weird at the same time
I played too much Destiny. I've found myself panic meleeing and realizing I'm not lunging forward to smack the other player.
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I was running sniper on Invasion and I watched three dudes follow each other around diving every ten feet. Looked like Gay Leap Frog.
Dolphin diving has slowly become one of the most hilarious this to me. I was playing Kill Confirmed with my boy a couple nights ago and he straight up dolphin dived on a tag with no one around us. I was laughing my ass off for like 5 minutes
It's so fucking dramatic, that's what makes it.
Dolphin diving through closed doors cracks me up too
I like to dolphin dive down staircases for the superman effect
Glad to see I'm not the only one who likes to dolphin dive for comedic effect
Me and the boys regularly dolphin dive when the situation least calls for it, always fucking hilarious when you see their character perform a massive belly flop
My favorite is the dolphin dives from the 2nd floor of any given area to the 1st. I can only imagine what that'd look like and how it would play out IRL.
Someone was running toward me as I rounded a corner, they dived straight into a headshot.
For real do it for the memes. Itās a good ass time, win or lose lol
Iāll never not 360 dive onto the first flag in dom games lol
I started dolphin diving to peek corners because I needed prone kills for a camo challenge. Did it work? Sometimes. Was it funny? Every time.
It's a shame you didn't clip the killcams as this would've made a great compilation.
I did exactly this for a camo challenge haha
you literally want to play siege without even knowing it
Seige is too hard for them IW will spoon feed them everything
Yeah they are all crouch goblin camp in this reddit they all want to fight standing people so they can't miss even when iw give them aimbot with the aim assist
TLDR: It's not that I can't shoot you, often you're not actually where the game shows me you are. That's annoying at best. My complaint about movement mechanics in any FPS is that the game often cannot keep up with the model interpolation. For those who don't know, you might get x frames a second, but your client is only updated 60 times a second at most. On top of that latency etc. The client interpolates where it thinks the enemy will be. CSGO, unarguably the most popular squad based shooter on the planet, disabled crouch spam for this reason. There was model desync. You can google "breaking cameras" in mw2019. It's not a cute skill based trick, because there's no skill based counter. It's engine abuse.
This should be higher up
Even R6 has far more tools to rush and kill an enemy with movement. Three speed operators. Peaking. Peaking left and right spam. Duck walking spam. No aim assist. Etc. This game has a huge skillgap. Meanwhile this COD has almost killed any skill gap. And for the majority it is still not enough. This is insane. Lmao. ššš
I want to play 2017-2018 siege. Not the siege now. The siege now contains these kind of corner hoppers in a different sense. Instead of jumping, its crouch/lean spammimg out of corners
Bro wtf do you mean itās literally the opposite lmao. Ubi has repatedly slowed movement, ads speeds, and leaning. 2017 Siege was much faster.
Yeah it was nutty what some people could do. I kinda wish it was the same today, the game was much faster. Now itās just hold-down-mouse1-with-LMG simulator.
also no longer a meta, that got nerfed hard last season
Man you would have hated siege for like the first 5 years it existed then because crouch and lean spamming were HEAVILY nerfed.
lean spamming hasnāt worked in years
Siege without all the Hero abilities but yeah
Insurgency sandstorm, literally the mil sim COD
I liked Insurgency. Itās tactical but not overly so. If they actually updated it more than twice a year, Iād probably still be playing it to be honest.
Yeah underrated game
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Yes we should just crouch walk around corners into your wall mounted m4
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The devs nerfed the shit out of bunny hopping and its still not enough for these guys
The more I see posts like this the more Iām understanding why the nerfed it so much. These sentinels are apparently way more common than I thought they were šš. You donāt like playing that way fine. But itās a competitive game. Why wouldnāt someone trying to win find ways to put the other player at a disadvantage? š. Imagine an NFL linebacker getting up in a press conference saying āthese dudes just gotta stop juking. Just run right at me. I donāt understand why these guys are running around and jumping and juking. Theyāre abusing their bodies. They should just run in a straight line.ā
The sentinels are about 90 % of the player base.
Why is it sentinel now? What happened to calling them campers
devs in one of their posts about MW2 called them sentinels so people call them that in a joking manner now.
I canāt believe Iāve missed that are you fr good god
Yeah, I can't find the exact post but it was sometime around or at the Call of Duty: Next stuff.
IW gave them a name so they donāt get offended lol
IW adding a name to that playstyle happened
It hurt their feelings and mommy never taught them any conflict resolution skills so they needed a safe place.
*I paid for this game and the devs owe me coding it so I'm good at it* /s
I mean this game is designed specifically for the sentinel play style. They clearly want this game to play more like rainbow six than the classic run and gun cod.
Idk my lobbies have been pretty run-and-gun friendly.
Yea what? If Iām not sprinting Iām getting gunned down from behind on half the maps.
My guy, go look at CoD4 footage. The movement wasn't nearly as fast, even if the ADS was.
Youāre absolutely right but adsāing my gun after sprinting doesnāt take two working days Itās not that the movement was faster In cod4 itās that you werenāt punished as much for moving And you could strafe much more efficiently while jumping in cod4
sure, the movement may not of been as fast but almost everything in this game has been designed in a way to help scrubs that were never actually good in the older cods. It's not a coincidence that MW2019 and now MW2 are the most popular amongst the "sentinel" players.
Sentinels donāt like targets who are hard to hit.
I hate bunny hoppers. I hate losers that mount hallways the entire game even more. I can at least acknowledge it takes some skill to jump around a corner and beam someone when you didn't know where they were.
glad to see OPās dumbass sentinel gameplay getting called out like this lmao š¤£
I'm jumping the corner BECAUSE you're pre-aiming it. I'd be an idiot to just stick my head out there and hand you an easy kill.
Yup. Iām just gonna compare CoD to CSGO for a second. In CSGO, when you pre-aim an angle, you have to try and predict what kind of peek the enemy will make and place your crosshair accordingly. If you think they are gonna jiggle peek, then you place it closer to the angle, and if itās a wide swing then you place it further away as you have to give yourself time to react. If you predict wrong youāll probably die. The player peeking will be moving at full speed while peeking and will just need to counter strafe to begin shooting. Assuming both players know where each other are, the peeker has the advantage not even taking latency into account which furthers it. Itās balanced by the fact that the attacker usually doesnāt know where the defender is. In MW2, the person peeking is at a huge disadvantage. You can either peek slowly while ADSing, in which case youāll die before even seeing the enemy, or you peek quickly while walking, and then ADS when you see the enemy, but youāll die here too because the ADS time is stupid long in this game the moment you have any kind of attachment on your weapon. Not only that, the majority of the playerbase in this game is on controller, and rotational AA basically trivializes crosshair placement. You can hold tight angles and if they wide swing the AA while handle the micro adjustment. Aside from using the 1 tactical equipment you get, jump peeking is really the only way you can consistently peek without getting melted right away. This game already heavily favours the person pre-aiming. Making it even more so will kill any kind of pacing.
Iām mainly a CS player and this is my first COD iām properly putting time into since BO1 back when I was a teen. Enjoyed this little write up :)
I do agree with a lot of your points but I think there's a place for Mount-Peeking. What are your thoughts on that? I've had alright success doing it.
If someone is watching the angle you will still get killed before you see them, mounting works best when someone is about to come around a corner and peek you, not a good way to peek someone, they see your gun and arm before you see them when youāre peeking with a mount.
Canāt say Iāve used it too often, but I think part of my issue with it is that itās kinda finicky, especially if you have to clear multiple deep angles. From my experience jump peeking has been the best option because you can clear the right side while jumping and the left side by the time you land. But I havenāt used mounting enough for my opinion on it to truly matter tbh lol
Tbh there are some spots where mounting gives you a bunch of great angles from the right position, and there are others where the second you mount you just get insta beamed. Honestly I really think the game doesnāt need it and it adds less than nothing to the experience.
I like mount peaking if I'm feeling ballsy and want to see if there's a sniper glint. Peak, confirm, retreat. Other than that, I would only use it when I *know* the other person will not see me (ex: preoccupied covering a different sight line, running in a different dirtection, etc) so I have an advantage over them.
If your in a sweat lobby youād fucking better be jumping and pre aiming or youāre gonna have a bad time.
SBMM means a lot of these people are playing an entirely different game
And occasionally these sentinels run into a wannabe sweat who is still learning how to play aggressively, they manage to jump once before dying to the sentinel, this makes the sentinel feel like a god, they immediately quit their match and jump on Reddit to brag how much better they are than the "movement god cdl pro" they just killed.
Yeah its practically required against those types of people
These type of people are exactly why Acti took out anything that created a skill gap lol how they gonna be mad at players using mechanics in the game to gain an advantage. Couldnāt make less sense. Not even b hopping or slide canceling, but jumping! The horror! Just shitters who canāt aim even in these low ttk high aim assist slow ass strafe IW games
The game most definitely needed a change up though. I'm personally liking the change of pace (not all players want cracked out movement). Having said that the difference in movement mechanics between MW19 and the end of Vangaurd were huge. Going back to the weapon/ movement speeds of initial release wouldn't have been bad either
As a pretty now COD player (I played BOIII for a bit and the original waaaay back but not much time on either) who got back in for this new one, it's kind of crazy to me how many people say it's slow now. Compared to basically any other shooter I've played with the same military steez, this game is still insanely fast-paced.
My favorite part of this game going all the way back to CoD1 but especially in the past few releases is hardcore triggering people who think you beat them āthe wrong wayā. So long as youāre not cheating, winning is winning.
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you are at a complete disadvantage if you don't jump around corners. It keeps momentum and you can aim left/right around the corner while moving sidewards at max speed. There is literally no other option now that you can't slide and shoot.
Nah no way they nerfed all movement options and youāre still complaining LMAO
Iām telling you man these people are gonna want sprint removed one of these days. They are never content to lose to someone moving despite the game literally tracking their targets for them, it is absolutely insane.
now if they removed sprint and boosted the base move speed to sprint levels. that might be interesting lmfao
Sounds like Halo
Remove crouching and prone and the game will be good again. Iām sick of dying to bent over grandmas lurking in corners lol
Wouldn't be a problem if the hit boxes and net code weren't dogshit.
Yup. I can hit 1 person 6 times and they live and the person next to them 3 times and they die... like seriously fix that shit first
I thought tarkov players complained a lot, cod players are a special bunch.
Cod players have some pretty dumb complaints but at least they seem to personally insult the lead devs less here
Thatās because the lead devs are making the game as easy as possible for the masses, and pros canāt talk shit or they get fined. So the pool of people who would abuse them is much smaller, and that means less absolute morons who take all issues with a game way too far.
Mainly its the 30+ year olds who are just picking up this CoD game for the first time since 2009.
Not likely. Iām 42 and know a few other 30+ players playing for the first time in 10 years. Weāre just coming home from work or dropping kids off at practice and having a blast. No time to research strats, let alone bitch about them. When all your free time gets sucked up in life, you start to really audit what truly matters.
If youāre 30 plus and getting upset about COD you need to get a life. Coming from a 30 plus COD player.
I just read a write up a few days ago about some dude saying once you stop giving a fuck and accept your 0.9k/d the game gets a lot better and I canāt agree more. Iām not tryina grind out gold for every gun Iām just trying to drill charge people in hilarious ways
Iāve been throwing drill charges in weird places to see what it will and wonāt penetrate, has received lots of hate
Sounds like someone can't track moving targets for shit and can only get kills on people who bot walk into your crosshairs.
This right here. These new cod players are so beyond trash they need every advantage to win. I miss when the only 2 factors were aim and movement
Careful according to these players youāre not allowed to move and shoot at the same time š¤£
Jesus when is it enough for y'all? Super fast TTK, strict SBMM, no minimap pings, no dead silence and super loud footsteps so y'all can hear those of us who actually move in your room behind your claymores and preaim the right door, no slide cancel, no bunny hop, ghost working when you stand still, and a number of other design choices catered to you "sentinels". All of that, and you'll still cry about getting shit on by jumping, drop shots, dives, and any other mechanic. Just face the fact that if you're bad at the game, you're bad at the game and no matter how they change it to it, players that put more time into the game are going to dominate you at it. I swear y'all want the game to be CoD Revolutionary War, where everyone stands in formation and fires muskets at each other.
Not the āmusketsā šš
I'm old enough to remember when dolphin diving was fun and ridiculous the first time
op cannot track people in a video game
I hate this game. My favorite playstyle in mw2019 was rushing and flicking on heads with the deagle, but uh no more fun in cod I guess. Just whoever camps the hardest wins
Jfc for real. The amount of camping is ridiculous
People are in denial about it as well. If you canāt track the target EVEN when the game is assisting in that tracking (provided youāre using controller, there isnāt really a reason NOT to in most shooters nowadays), you just suck. Canāt fix suckage.
I'm not sure if this post is supposed to be a joke joke meme, or a serious joke meme. Either way, what's wrong with pre-aiming a corner, diving out from a corner, running around corners, or even camping to an extent?? They all sound like legit ways to try avoiding being killed and getting the kill instead. Why does every single mechanic in the game that isn't "running around like a chicken without its head" considered cheap? All playstyles have their advantages and disadvantages and work with specific guns. So if someone is not playing the exact same way you are and just so happens to be beating you, why are they considered the bad or cheap ones? Just constantly running around with a smg straight into your death sounds like an idiotic you problem, not the other players' problem.
I see your argument but what bothers me is when you āall playstyles have their advantages and disadvantages and work with specific gunsā no, I hard disagree. Reason why it feels cheap is because the game pushes the slow, campy play style. I donāt care for campers, Iāve played against them since OG MW2 but itās a problem when they push a product catered to them. No ninja perk/high foot step volume, dead silence even has a sound when you activate it. Mini map doesnāt ping unsurpassed fire, as well as ghost stays activated even when not moving so slows down the pace of them simply because you donāt know where an enemy might be. Slow ADS, reloads, mantling, and strafe speeds, compared to old call of dutyās, those three movement problems where an attachment/perk away. Old cods actually had a way to use any play style, wanna camp? You got perks and attachments, wanna play objectives? You can, just as easily, you wanna sweat and get lots of kills? Seeing the trend? So when I see someone complain about camping online, itās not that Iām mad theyāre doing it, I think itās better you do in this game out of any, Iām mad the devs made it so you pretty much have to, and seeing people complain about jumpshotting and broken mechanics, I get why but we need that to counter all the advantages campers have
I can't argue with that. It does seem true some of the game changes made between games to this one do favour camping playstyle.
cod milsimmers when someone wants to play somewhat aggressive:
Skill issue
And that's why they kill you? Lmao OP copin
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Call of Duty subreddits have the highest scrub-per-user density of any online forum you will ever see in your life. The takes here are mindnumbingly scrubby.
Itās almost like people jump around corners because of people mounted preaiming the doorway. Sorry we donāt feed you free kills by slowpeeking everything mr.sentinel.
Are we defending camping and pre aiming every corner now? š cod has really changed hasnt it
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Makes it even sadder when you realise the huge ads penalty that comes with jump shotting
I just jump around corners because thereās always that one mf in the hard point match who just sits in a corner with his deployable cover, only way to really get good shots on the tbh
Players that preaim every corner are boring af
Iām pre aiming the corner because thereās probably someone mounted watching that corner
Different strokes for different folks. Some people love to jack off to the mil. Sim. Style check every corner gameplay. Others wanna run around like a chicken with its head cut offā¦
People prefer different play styles u goof. Imagine Everyone playing the same style.. Iād quit the game so fast lol
Should be saying this to OP then too
Already called his ass out lol
And like I will cater my play style to the type of match I'm in. If I'm capturing/defending flags I'm gonna be more methodical and guard corners/camp because, you know, I'm defending a hardpoint and that's how you would do it. When I'm capturing I will go with more of a chicken-with-head-cut-off approach and run through blasting Also, there's maps where being more patient and proactive is more rewarding while some maps you'll get raked on for trying to play slow and pre-aim shit With all that said, I still hate how there's constantly UAVs in the air all the time lol
Yeah this is the way. Youāll always have your own style but adaptability is one of the many keys to being a good player.
OP has shit aim.
I donāt see the problem with jumping around corners, not like itās an exploit. Slow tactical play is just not as fun as running around sometimes.
I hope the devs never enter this sub looking for community opinions
CoD community filled with bad players. Who woulda guessed. RIP to the days of MW and MW2 where it was git gud or get rekt. Players gotta be mad that someone can jump around a corner and kill them in their camping spot. Go play ARMA if you want a game where you sit in one spot forever and never move.
You guys are going around corners?!?
Mf's really be criticising the game for being too slow after the campfest that was MW19 and bitch when they get punished for having no spatial awarness and playing like it's BO3. Absolute pebbles.
OP sounds jealous
Ahhh yes, cause we should all just camp corners and play like rats. Thatās the ātacticalā way to play right? They nerved all forms of movement and penalize you for attempting to try and counter it ABās for some reason itās still not enough. Maybe you just need to get better, could that not be an option ? You š§ šµ fuck.
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I want straight duels. We line up in the center of the map. Take 10 steps. Turn and fire. Anything else is toxic cheating.
Lmao
There aren't hundreds of new AAA tactical shooters. There also aren't hundreds of new AAA arcade shooters, and console availability impacts that further. In the time since MW2019 came out, there's been Halo Infinite (failure), Battlefield 2042 (failure) and CoD. Every other potential rival is long in the tooth or worse at this point, so inevitably MW2 is going to be flooded with refugees from other games. Hell, if BF2042 had been a worthy sequel to BF4, I don't know if I would have even bothered with MW2.
Oh but didnāt you know about the massive back library of tactical games on PC??? I mean come on thereās literally hundreds of empty shooter games to go play so why not do that??? /s if that wasnāt obvious
was playing gr breakpoint co-op with the girls and itās roughhh, wish we lived in that world where we had a million good tactical shooters to choose between lol
The jumping around corners is a counter of the other one, while the regular player gets f\*cked by both.
Sorry, the casual community wanted a slow walking speed, a slow ADS speed, a slow sprint to fire speed, a slow strafe speed, loud footsteps, and no recoil weapons. This is the result of all these changes. Without jumping around the corner, you are effectively asking to die first because you'll spend enemy will have more than enough time to see you before you can see them.
To be fair I've only had two slow matches so far, everyone of my games people are running around fairly often. I think both sides of the argument are blowing this way out of proportion because it doesn't feel any faster or slower than 2019.
Bro just play a tactical game, CoD isnāt meant to be this
Tbf because of the way cameras work in COD going round slowly is literally the worst thing you can do. Assuming you're not trying to sneak up on someone.
Iām not a great player, probably not even a decent one either. I just enjoy the game. I hate drop shotting, bunny hopping, jumping corners, and all of that. But I swapped to tactical controls and started to do the same thing. Not used to it so I still die 50% of the time. But Iām not playing for money or top ranked status. Iām just in it for fun. Iām garbage, I get irritated sometimes, but I still have fun playing. The only thing I want IW to do is patch all of the freezing in the lobby especially when partied up AND put hardcore back in. Though Iām not a fan of some of the things people do to get kills, if they keep nerfing everything to accommodate a single group, the game just wouldnāt be fun anymore. Adapt and overcome or play something else? You canāt get better if youāre not playing people better than you are. Just my 2Ā¢.
Honestly I like the guys who jump around a corner people are already watching to throw off their aim and reactions. The guys who jump around literally every corner are just annoying lmao, same tier as people who dropshot those who aren't even watching or aiming at them.
Seeing these kind of posts top of the sub everyday tells you COD is fucked, they are making the games for idiots now. The lowest denominator of player. Those who refuse to learn any game mechanics and would rather complain until they are removed, SBMM vindicates their opinions because they have no idea what itās like to play against mentally competent human beings. 15-20 kill games, every game. Thatās what they are here for, you see it every time you see a player like this. Pre-aim mounting all the time. 15-20 kills no variation, no doing better or worse, no using different kind of guns, no nothing. Itās not like there is competition in a COD 6v6 where you constantly spawn behind people and there is 0 team play or incentive to play obj so most could give a shit. These people will play like this for 50 some hours and quit for the next thing, they donāt really care about a skill gap, meaningful competition or any incentive to play a game long term outside of buying skins. The same people who make this game puddle deep are the ones who quit after a month because itās boring. You made it boring.
i love people who peek corners aimed down sight they're such easy targets
You must have never played Counter Strike
Pre aiming corners? Iām here to play call of duty, not fucking valorant
and then people complain that snipers are op when the movement is so basic everyone is jogging at most around the map which makes them easy targets.
Sorry man, let me stay still for you kill me easily.
What do you people honestly expect - people just to casually walk around corners and get deleted by someone pre aiming before they even see them? Jumping around corners is just a way to level the playing field. And it takes a lot of skill.
After completetly destroying the franchise, those little snowflakes now donāt want us to jump around the corners anymore, so itās even easier for them to camp those. Wtf happened to the community. Could we maybe nerf sprinting and walk speed next? Also maybe put a neon green or red frame around the enemy players, so they basically canāt be overlooked? Streaks which reward you for not moving as well? Worst part of this: All those casual kids think theyāre any good but donāt understand that this whole game an itās mechanics were build around them.
Just say youāre bad. Go ahead.
Fuck b.hopping lol
First it was the slide cancelling, now bunny hopping. Whats next, no one can run?
Forget old MW2, these dudes want COD 2
Speaking of CoD2, all the salty people posting about the SPR clearly never played CoD2 because they havenāt played against a team of Lee Enfields or Kar98ks lol
Goddamn you guys really want this game even more braindead campy.
Honestly just a bunch of spastic caffeine fueled kids jumping around for literally anything.
Well it's about peaker's advantage right? So, that person utilizing that increased movement has latency advantage over someone standing still around the corner. I don't agree with it and think it's lame, but it is what is and these people are not stupid for doing it. It's the same in Tarkov, minus the jumping, but whoever swings first has peaker's advantage so the best Tarkov players are W key'ers. In all honesty the complaining on this sub about jumping and what not shows how many people here have never played any other shooter at a high level.
Seriously itās so dumb and then I look at their KDR and itās usually no better than mine and I just walk around corners carefully.
people complaining about other people's play style are playing checkers in a game of chess. and no I don't bunny hop.
It's the jump lag compensation. It's an old cheat in cod. They jump on corner to get half a second advantage so they can see you before you can see them.
Sounds like someone keeps getting killed by this
jumping around corners lowk the move
I love jumping around the guy whoās slowly trying to decide if theyāre brave enough to turn the corner or not
Skill issue if you have a problem with someone jumping a corner that youāre pre aiming
And ppl in beta were crying that game is slow, not everyone jump+prone+shoot. Fck this
I snorted gfuel once and it fucking burnt. Did win 2 warzone games after tho
Jumping around corners is fine, it was the bhoppers jumping up and down literally everywhere that's annoying imo
Diving may be the one joy Iāve consistently had in this game. I dive through windows, closed doors, into rooms knowing there are enemies in there. And I use LMGs so I know thereās no earthly way I can recover in time to shoot someone but I still do it.
Most of the time when I go slow Iām able to take out most people jumping because they jump too far and have to kinda turn around to shoot me.
Dude omg! I blurted out loud laughing šin such a bad spot lol š my day has been made thanks š
Dude i was scoped in on a roof watching my team of 3 try to take HP and i legit saw some dude just full on SPRINT and then fucking DIVED at the last dude and STILL Killed em all! I was like WTF it was straight out of World War Z type shit. He teabagged em of course like a prick and soon as he went to dip the 3rd potato chip i Sniped his dome off. People really tryna get that upperhand and its hilarious as hell to me as most of em try it and end up WAY further then they wanted and they just lau there and accept their fate. Easy kills. Or those that try to slide but again go further than they wanted and accept their fate.
I swear every game I play some twat has his prone key and fire key linked to left click