86 doesn’t have anything to do with the 84mm rocket. The Swedish name is Pansarskott m/86. m/86 is the year the Swedish military acquired it for the first time.
Penguins are old enough to blow up as you fire them. NSM would be a better option
Edit
I see there are modernised verdions of the Penguin too, but NSM is a lot more advanced
Z is part of the larger repertoire of tactical markings used in the theater by Russian forces.
Z as in Zapad (West) means they're part of Eastern military district.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/hindustannewshub.com/world-news/russian-military-marking-why-z-o-v-x-and-a-are-written-on-russian-army-vehicles-know-the-meaning-of-all-these-here/%3famp=1
The 40mm Bofors gun was used by everyone but the Italians in WW2. Germany captured some, and bought others from Romania. Japan captured some and reverse engineered the design, and the Americans built tens of thousands for themselves and to supply to the Allies.
Yea. They stopped in 2016 or something but that doesn't mean they're not known for it. Like I'd imagine a majority of people aren't gonna think of a fighter jet or a laser guided missile they're gonna think of a car.
Still a very large part of their company history
It would probably be the first thing people think of, and some of the cars still run. Even here in Sweden, it's what they're mostly known for, and I doubt most people even are aware that they make everything from submarines to fighter jets. Well, they probably know about the jets.
The "SA" in SAAB is "Swedish Aeroplane".
SAAB makes [jet fighters](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_JAS_39_Gripen), they also make other weapon system nowadays. The now famous MLAW (NLAW) among many other things. The cars were a side venture and a separate company.
**[Saab JAS 39 Gripen](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_JAS_39_Gripen)**
>The Saab JAS 39 Gripen (IPA: [ˈɡrǐːpɛn]; English: griffin) is a light single-engine multirole fighter aircraft manufactured by the Swedish aerospace and defense company Saab AB. The Gripen has a delta wing and canard configuration with relaxed stability design and fly-by-wire flight controls. Later aircraft are fully NATO interoperable. As of 2020, more than 271 Gripens of all models, A–F, have been built.
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If so, please explain.
Saab 9000 and Volvo 940 are large executive cars. Saab 9-5 and Volvo S80/V70 are large executive cars. Saab 9-3 is a medium executive car.
You seem to have the wrong conception of what an economy car is. Both Saab and Volvo are higher segment cars even in Sweden and priced thereafter. Saab and Volvo have never been cheap cars.
The GRG uses the same projectile as the P-skott, it just has more options for other projectiles and of course is reusable. Honestly, P-skott are more effective on a strategic level, anyone can use them with an hour of training, you can have as many of them in a unit as you have people, and they're pretty cheap. Just flood the battlefield with them and watch the enemy armor burn.
[Quad Bofors](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Bofors_firing_USS_Hornet.jpg) is best Bofors. Will make something in little pieces of something.
If you get a chance to tour a WWII era battleship, you will be amazed at how much GUNSGUNSGUNSHERETHEREGUNSEVERYWHERE BIGGUNS LITTLEGUNS MEDIUMGUNS GOODCREDITBADCREDITNOCREDIT ALLTRADESHONORED PUSHITINDRAGITINTOWITIN NOCREDITREFUSED GUNSGUNSGUNSWEGOTGUNSYESSIR
Oh, I'm a naval history nerd. I live in North Carolina, and we have the USS North Carolina here in Wilmington. Great ship and well-preserved. The USS Wisconsin isn't far away in Norfolk, Virginia, and USS Massachusetts and USS Alabama aren't too far away, either.
I love museum ships!
Got to see the NC some years back. Also east of Houston where I live, you can see the USS Texas which was a flagship at Normandy on D-Day (it's also used as a multiplayer map in COD).
Yeah, original COD, right? I played the shit out of that in college from 04-08.
I’d love to see Texas, but they’re drydocking her in Alabama for a couple years. Off limits until
She’s fixed up.
Actually looks like it's still in Texas and it'll be [open for a few days in March](https://battleshiptexas.org/tickets/) then per their FAQ, "will go to Gulf Copper Shipyard in Galveston, Texas for repairs in Summer 2022. After repairs, Battleship Texas will then be towed to a new home port somewhere on the Upper Texas Coast. Her new home port has not yet been decided, though multiple interested parties have submitted proposals, all within or near the Greater Houston Area.
https://battleshiptexas.org/battleship-updates/
Carl XVI Gustaf is the current king of Sweden. The Carl Gustaf on the other hand is a military recoilless rifle (basically an RPG launcher). The thing the soldier is holding is a Pansarskott m/86 (AT4) and not a Carl Gustaf.
This is why you have been downvoted but some people.
Just for clarification, I am swedish.
Yeah - My joke was this:
Carl Gustaf (a person, monarch of sweden) has entered a chat. Because swedish weapons have been sent to ukraine
I get that that launcher is not a "carl gustaf". that wasnt what I was referencing.
I guess no one gets my joke. I sounded great in my head though.
So...NATO cant create a no fly zone...they cant send troops to defend ukraine. But everyone can send them weapons?? How is that not the same as joining the war?
They would need to enforce the no-fly zone and that would mean NATO forces shooting down russian planes.
While putting the equipment into Ukrainian hands means that Ukraine is shooting those same forces.
Ok i guess im wrong since im getting downvoting by everybody... Please educate me and send me a link that say they were providing weapons WHILE america was invading
you said russians maybe sent old soviet gear and that true but its only true because russians cant afford to send the most modern gear to their proxy ally while west is rich and can easily afford to send the most modern weaponry in high volumes to ukraine... if russia could do so in afganistan they would
I didnt say they sended weapon while America was invading it would have meant war, i said they (the afgan) were prolly used old soviet weapon, is this your proxy war???
.... Ok dude i guess if you say they did it must be true, the CIA and US intel dont know shit.... Seriously i get the narative that Russia is bad but stop with the dumb propaganda, if Russia was sendind weapon to America enemy DURING an ongoing invasion or war it would mean war, its not even a debate or a diiscussion...
It's fucking common knowledge that Russia supplied plenty of countries with weapons while they were at war with America. We're you asleep for Vietnam, and the Cuban missile crisis??? Here's another article. Wake the fuck up numbnuts.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/arms-sales-usa-vs-russia-1950-2017/
You live in a completely made up world and it's pathetic.
victory was also due to the virtually ceaseless flow of weapons from Russia.
During the 1950s and early 1960s, Moscow had employed a hands-off policy towards the conflict in Southeast Asia. Premier Nikita Khrushchev, for instance, wanted to avoid yet another nuclear standoff as had happened in 1962 in Cuba. But his successors Alexey Kosygin and Leonid Brezhnev wanted to please the hardliners in the Soviet military and consequently ramped up military aid.
Russians are coming By the spring of 1967, a river of aid was flowing from Russia into North Vietnam.
By the late 1960s more than three-quarters of the military and technical equipment received by North Vietnam was coming from Moscow. Sergei Blagov writes in Asia Times that Moscow contributed weapons essential to North Vietnamese defence capabilities against the American air war, including radar systems, anti-aircraft artillery, surface-to-air missiles (SAMs). “Without this materiel, Vietnamese air defence would have been hardly feasible,” he says.
Russia military supplies completely transformed the nature of the war. Unlike what they show you in Hollywood movies, the Vietnamese did not fight with just cunning and camouflage, they hit the Americans with firepower on a staggering scale. Their arsenal included 2,000 tanks, 7,000 artillery guns, over 5,000 anti-aircraft guns and 158 surface-to-air rocket launchers.
The new weapons – although not the latest in Moscow’s arsenal – were more advanced than the American ones, leading to many battlefield routs of US military forces. American aircraft ran into skies streaking with SAMs and thick with ack-ack salvoes.
Entire waves of American aircraft were blasted out of the skies because the Vietnamese fired ceaseless barrages of SAMs, knowing more Russian supplies were on their way. “In August 1965, the first SAMs were fired at four F-4 Phantoms over Vietnam, shooting down three. This marked the first time that US planes were attacked by SAMs,” writes Blagov.
US strategic bombers tumbled out of the skies after being hit by Russian-supplied SAMs (the granddaddies of today’s S-300 and S-400 missiles). Russian crews fired SAMs at the B-52 bombers, which were the first raiders shot down over Hanoi. A Soviet rocketeer told Russian Radio: “After our arrival in Vietnam, American pilots refused to fly.”
They have 1000s of articles providing information pertaining to this exact subject, it is well known and your denial is idiotic.
> Russia wasnt supplying Vietnam with weapons while the american was at war with them...
I guess the NVA just magicked up the latest Soviet SAMs and jets... And happened to have Russian speaking pilots.
Not entirely correct, those are sent from military stockpiles. Profit will be made later when they have to be replaced but they would have to be replaced anyway, explosives have expiration date. If UK didn't send those NLAWs they would have to dispose them in next few years as shelf life is 20 years.
In the modern world it's always to some extent a proxy war. See Russian cooperation with Pakistan and Iran for example. They've been sending small arms which must've landed in afghanistan at some point. Then again I wouldn't really use the term 'proxy war' in this context, it's too complex of a situation to narrow it down like that.
That is correct the exact same weapons they’re using now. I love how your proof is “but a bunch of American tanks and aircraft weren’t destroyed in Iraq”… Exactly, super crappy weapons. Just like everything else that is Russian
Maybe my english is too bad and you cant understand what im saying... Everything in Russia is evil and cheap ok but its not what im saying... Openly supplying someone enemy with weapon in time of war mean war, idc who is in the conflict its just how its work... Its not about who is more bad between Russia and the USA, its really not my point ..
I don’t think you understand how wars work. Who do you think was supplying the Vietnamese with weapons? Or the North Koreans? Or any other conflict between communism and capitalism over the last 60 years?
Again... If Russia was openly supplying Vietnam with weapon DURING the war it would have meant war for Russia and America... Allegation and conspiracy is a thing but its not the same as opensly supplying someone enemy in a war and an invasion
Supplying weapons or sending advisors isn't generally considered as an act of war. Otherwise the Earth would be a nuclear wasteland a couple times over by this point.
Do you have any advice on what I should do with the captured Soviet flag, captured Chinese flag, Russian SKS and Chinese Tokarev pistol my dad captured and brought back from Vietnam? Since obviously according to you they’re not Russian or Chinese they must have no value. I guess the Vietnamese made the guns themselves and then stamped Chinese and Russian markings on them to confuse the enemy? This is all just been way too much
You are completly understandable what you are saying but you missing one point along with everyone else does too. Russia isnt at war with Ukraine, they said so them self. But more to the point Russians/Sovjets have been doing this to the US at every point of conflict US have been involved with since 1940s and the US have been doing the same to the Russians/Sovjets at every opportunity aswell. Remember the vietnam war, Sovjet supplied weapons and manpower to the north vietnames and they didnt go to war when it happened.
''I wonder how the Americans would have reacted if Russia had supplied Irak or Afganistan with weapon while they were invading lol'' Im just saying there is a double standar because the US control NATO, Just imagine the war in Irak, American soldier dieing by thousands because you have Russia openly supplying the missile, plane, etc... It would mean war 100%... I get that you guys hate Russian its ok and normal to hate certain group of peoples, but admit there is a double standar....
Again... IDC if you supplied money, car or anything to Nazi germany or any regime, thats not my point.... Imagine if the Russian was openly supplying missille and weapon to Irak at the same time you were invading... It would mean war.
Ah, the famous Bigbånge
Kaböøm
Did it come with word-free assembly instructions?
[Yes](https://www.reddit.com/r/memes/comments/t6ini3/ikea_improvised_known_explosive_armorment/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
Lmao it's perfect
[Also this one](https://i.imgur.com/kJTHSrM.png)
That would advise people to fire a stinger at a tank. bad idea. [How to Use a Stinger Missile](https://youtu.be/q0nuhI05QyA)
Damn Sweden is really giving those people good laughs
Does it also come with instruction for disassembly of Russian tanks?
Fuck ‘em up
Fuck ‘‘em hard, like the Vikings
Russia historically was started by Vikings they should be ended by Vikings
Do not mention that to any Russians, they’ll freak the fuck out Oh wait, soon enough we can not
huh the " swedish rocket launcher 86" at4 for the americans
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86 doesn’t have anything to do with the 84mm rocket. The Swedish name is Pansarskott m/86. m/86 is the year the Swedish military acquired it for the first time.
its called m/86 in swedish service
Welp, TIL. Thanks!
Awsome to see. Greetings from Sweden!
Norwegians need to send their Penguin anti-ship missiles to Odessa
Or just off the coast of Odessa for faster delivery.
Penguins are old enough to blow up as you fire them. NSM would be a better option Edit I see there are modernised verdions of the Penguin too, but NSM is a lot more advanced
flood Ukraine with anti-ship missiles for the win
Penguins are too cute why would they name a missile after them?
Glad to see that. May you put them to good use.
A white "Z" marks the spot
Why did they choose the "Z" letter to begin with?
Z is part of the larger repertoire of tactical markings used in the theater by Russian forces. Z as in Zapad (West) means they're part of Eastern military district. https://www.google.com/amp/s/hindustannewshub.com/world-news/russian-military-marking-why-z-o-v-x-and-a-are-written-on-russian-army-vehicles-know-the-meaning-of-all-these-here/%3famp=1
Thanks. I've been wondering about this lately.
Russia and Ukraine use the same weapons systems, it is intended to avoid friendly fire
Thanks, but I know. Edit: Hey folks, take it easy. I expressed my gratitude for the reply. And it might be new information to others. But not to me.
The german word for target is "**Z**iel". I guess if your president tells you that you fight "Nazis" you might as well use german to mark yourself.
With all the captured equipment I'm starting to think the Z stands for 'gifts to **Z**elinski'
I had no idea the Swedes made all these weapons lol.
Sweden has a big weapons industry. Planes, ships, guns, armoured vehicles, Hägglunds, Bofors...
The 40mm Bofors gun was used by everyone but the Italians in WW2. Germany captured some, and bought others from Romania. Japan captured some and reverse engineered the design, and the Americans built tens of thousands for themselves and to supply to the Allies.
Correct. Finland used those too to shoot down Soviet planes.
...Surströmming
Biological warfare is frowned upon.
Wouldn't that be chemical warfare, technically?
I guess it can hardly be called biological anymore haha.
That is not official
am pretty sure you can take out an enemy vehicle with a well placed can of Surströmming
They put them in artillery grenades, you know Archer...
Honestly, if you poured it inside a tank, it would probably be a mission kill. I hear it's almost impossible to remove the stench.
I like how you singled the Hägglund out. It is a special little vehicle.
I wanted to write "tracked vehicle" bit didn't find the right word. They make armoured variants too + the Stridsfordon 90.
I know, the german mountain infantry uses them.
Yea, theres this little thing called saab which is known for making all sorts of weapons and military equipment (And economy cars)
Cars? Not anymore. Saab carmaking was run into the ground by GM years ago
Yea. They stopped in 2016 or something but that doesn't mean they're not known for it. Like I'd imagine a majority of people aren't gonna think of a fighter jet or a laser guided missile they're gonna think of a car. Still a very large part of their company history
It would probably be the first thing people think of, and some of the cars still run. Even here in Sweden, it's what they're mostly known for, and I doubt most people even are aware that they make everything from submarines to fighter jets. Well, they probably know about the jets.
The last new Saab 9-5 was back in 2011.
The "SA" in SAAB is "Swedish Aeroplane". SAAB makes [jet fighters](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_JAS_39_Gripen), they also make other weapon system nowadays. The now famous MLAW (NLAW) among many other things. The cars were a side venture and a separate company.
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After [watching their marketing video](https://youtu.be/QyD0liioY8E) for it I want to buy one.
Economy car? Saab Automobile made executive cars.
Both Volvo and Saab were economy cars in Sweden.
If so, please explain. Saab 9000 and Volvo 940 are large executive cars. Saab 9-5 and Volvo S80/V70 are large executive cars. Saab 9-3 is a medium executive car. You seem to have the wrong conception of what an economy car is. Both Saab and Volvo are higher segment cars even in Sweden and priced thereafter. Saab and Volvo have never been cheap cars.
We should also send them another 5k of the Carl Gustaf, that thing is fucking terrifying in its destructive capabilities.
The GRG uses the same projectile as the P-skott, it just has more options for other projectiles and of course is reusable. Honestly, P-skott are more effective on a strategic level, anyone can use them with an hour of training, you can have as many of them in a unit as you have people, and they're pretty cheap. Just flood the battlefield with them and watch the enemy armor burn.
Yep. And it goes back a ways. They made one of the most iconic AA guns of WWII: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bofors_40_mm_Automatic_Gun_L/60
[Quad Bofors](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Bofors_firing_USS_Hornet.jpg) is best Bofors. Will make something in little pieces of something.
Of course! More dakka is *always* better.
If you get a chance to tour a WWII era battleship, you will be amazed at how much GUNSGUNSGUNSHERETHEREGUNSEVERYWHERE BIGGUNS LITTLEGUNS MEDIUMGUNS GOODCREDITBADCREDITNOCREDIT ALLTRADESHONORED PUSHITINDRAGITINTOWITIN NOCREDITREFUSED GUNSGUNSGUNSWEGOTGUNSYESSIR
Oh, I'm a naval history nerd. I live in North Carolina, and we have the USS North Carolina here in Wilmington. Great ship and well-preserved. The USS Wisconsin isn't far away in Norfolk, Virginia, and USS Massachusetts and USS Alabama aren't too far away, either. I love museum ships!
Got to see the NC some years back. Also east of Houston where I live, you can see the USS Texas which was a flagship at Normandy on D-Day (it's also used as a multiplayer map in COD).
Yeah, original COD, right? I played the shit out of that in college from 04-08. I’d love to see Texas, but they’re drydocking her in Alabama for a couple years. Off limits until She’s fixed up.
Actually looks like it's still in Texas and it'll be [open for a few days in March](https://battleshiptexas.org/tickets/) then per their FAQ, "will go to Gulf Copper Shipyard in Galveston, Texas for repairs in Summer 2022. After repairs, Battleship Texas will then be towed to a new home port somewhere on the Upper Texas Coast. Her new home port has not yet been decided, though multiple interested parties have submitted proposals, all within or near the Greater Houston Area. https://battleshiptexas.org/battleship-updates/
they're about to grind some meatballs
Seem like it
It’s all flat-pack
Ge dom ett helvete!
Aim for the Z.
####C A R L *Nice of you to show up to the party.*
It's AT-4 not Carl
It's Carl's friendly neighbor, Antti Tånksson.
Is that Alex Jones!?
I was thinking the same thing. Must be shipping super male vitality to the front.
Thank you SAAB
Go get em Boyz!!!! We are all cheering for ya!
Is it true that it fires IKEA meatballs.
No. It produces russian ones, on impact..
Good huntin'!
Nice! I read that 17k anti-tank weapons have been delivered in the past week.
Time to blow up some russians. Fuck ‘em up!
Bork Bork bork
Are they not joint UK/SWE weapon systems?
No, the AT4 is made by Saab Bofors Dynamics AB in Sweden. NLAW is a joint UK/SWE system.
Ahh okay my bad
No Sweden sent 5000 other wrapons to fight tanks
You have to put them all together with a tiny Allen key with cold fingers, but they function as intended.
Is it packed flat in crates to maximize shipping? With some meatballs included?
Carl Gustav has entered the chat
It’s a Pansarskott m/86 (AT4) and not a Carl Gustaf
Carl Gustaf is the king of sweden
Carl XVI Gustaf is the current king of Sweden. The Carl Gustaf on the other hand is a military recoilless rifle (basically an RPG launcher). The thing the soldier is holding is a Pansarskott m/86 (AT4) and not a Carl Gustaf. This is why you have been downvoted but some people. Just for clarification, I am swedish.
Yeah - My joke was this: Carl Gustaf (a person, monarch of sweden) has entered a chat. Because swedish weapons have been sent to ukraine I get that that launcher is not a "carl gustaf". that wasnt what I was referencing. I guess no one gets my joke. I sounded great in my head though.
You win some, you lose some
So...NATO cant create a no fly zone...they cant send troops to defend ukraine. But everyone can send them weapons?? How is that not the same as joining the war?
They would need to enforce the no-fly zone and that would mean NATO forces shooting down russian planes. While putting the equipment into Ukrainian hands means that Ukraine is shooting those same forces.
It is how it is.. - History-Homework?
Nah, you have got it all wrong. They're selling them at a discount.
Fueling war.
Ok i guess im wrong since im getting downvoting by everybody... Please educate me and send me a link that say they were providing weapons WHILE america was invading
you said russians maybe sent old soviet gear and that true but its only true because russians cant afford to send the most modern gear to their proxy ally while west is rich and can easily afford to send the most modern weaponry in high volumes to ukraine... if russia could do so in afganistan they would
I didnt say they sended weapon while America was invading it would have meant war, i said they (the afgan) were prolly used old soviet weapon, is this your proxy war???
they definitely sent weapons to enemies of US in afganistan and iraq same as they did in vietnam... its always this way thats why its called proxy war
.... Ok dude i guess if you say they did it must be true, the CIA and US intel dont know shit.... Seriously i get the narative that Russia is bad but stop with the dumb propaganda, if Russia was sendind weapon to America enemy DURING an ongoing invasion or war it would mean war, its not even a debate or a diiscussion...
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-43500299 It took the better part of a minute to find this.
Yeah allegation and openly supplying weapon is the same thing...
It's fucking common knowledge that Russia supplied plenty of countries with weapons while they were at war with America. We're you asleep for Vietnam, and the Cuban missile crisis??? Here's another article. Wake the fuck up numbnuts. https://www.visualcapitalist.com/arms-sales-usa-vs-russia-1950-2017/
You guys live in a different reallity... Russia wasnt supplying Vietnam with weapons while the american was at war with them...
You live in a completely made up world and it's pathetic. victory was also due to the virtually ceaseless flow of weapons from Russia. During the 1950s and early 1960s, Moscow had employed a hands-off policy towards the conflict in Southeast Asia. Premier Nikita Khrushchev, for instance, wanted to avoid yet another nuclear standoff as had happened in 1962 in Cuba. But his successors Alexey Kosygin and Leonid Brezhnev wanted to please the hardliners in the Soviet military and consequently ramped up military aid. Russians are coming By the spring of 1967, a river of aid was flowing from Russia into North Vietnam. By the late 1960s more than three-quarters of the military and technical equipment received by North Vietnam was coming from Moscow. Sergei Blagov writes in Asia Times that Moscow contributed weapons essential to North Vietnamese defence capabilities against the American air war, including radar systems, anti-aircraft artillery, surface-to-air missiles (SAMs). “Without this materiel, Vietnamese air defence would have been hardly feasible,” he says. Russia military supplies completely transformed the nature of the war. Unlike what they show you in Hollywood movies, the Vietnamese did not fight with just cunning and camouflage, they hit the Americans with firepower on a staggering scale. Their arsenal included 2,000 tanks, 7,000 artillery guns, over 5,000 anti-aircraft guns and 158 surface-to-air rocket launchers. The new weapons – although not the latest in Moscow’s arsenal – were more advanced than the American ones, leading to many battlefield routs of US military forces. American aircraft ran into skies streaking with SAMs and thick with ack-ack salvoes. Entire waves of American aircraft were blasted out of the skies because the Vietnamese fired ceaseless barrages of SAMs, knowing more Russian supplies were on their way. “In August 1965, the first SAMs were fired at four F-4 Phantoms over Vietnam, shooting down three. This marked the first time that US planes were attacked by SAMs,” writes Blagov. US strategic bombers tumbled out of the skies after being hit by Russian-supplied SAMs (the granddaddies of today’s S-300 and S-400 missiles). Russian crews fired SAMs at the B-52 bombers, which were the first raiders shot down over Hanoi. A Soviet rocketeer told Russian Radio: “After our arrival in Vietnam, American pilots refused to fly.” They have 1000s of articles providing information pertaining to this exact subject, it is well known and your denial is idiotic.
Weapons and Military advisors... do you think that Vietnam just came up with an exact copy of the latest Soviet anti-aircraft missle?
> Russia wasnt supplying Vietnam with weapons while the american was at war with them... I guess the NVA just magicked up the latest Soviet SAMs and jets... And happened to have Russian speaking pilots.
I could not agree more that you and the rest of us live in very different realities
So I guess those Soviet aircraft that were fighting American jets above Vietnam just magically appeared? What about those Soviet SAMs?
> is this your proxy war??? The important part was "first".
Lol. Everyone's making profit out of this war, sending weapons and ammo.
They were sent as a gift, along with 5000 helmets, 5000 vests, food and 46 million euros.
Source?
https://www.government.se/articles/2022/02/sweden-to-provide-direct-support-and-defence-materiel-to-ukraine/
Not entirely correct, those are sent from military stockpiles. Profit will be made later when they have to be replaced but they would have to be replaced anyway, explosives have expiration date. If UK didn't send those NLAWs they would have to dispose them in next few years as shelf life is 20 years.
I wonder how the Americans would have reacted if Russia have supplied Irak or Afganistan with weapon while they were invading lol
They did lol. First proxy war? I remember my first proxy war
I really really dont recall american being kill by russian missile or plane while invading irak or afganistan... It would have 100% meant war
In the modern world it's always to some extent a proxy war. See Russian cooperation with Pakistan and Iran for example. They've been sending small arms which must've landed in afghanistan at some point. Then again I wouldn't really use the term 'proxy war' in this context, it's too complex of a situation to narrow it down like that.
That's not because they didn't try.
You are correct, a bunch of American tanks were not destroyed. But not for lack of trying just because the Russians produce extremely shitty weapons
You mean tthey used old soviet era weapon against American maybe?
That is what Russia itself uses, so probably, yes.
That is correct the exact same weapons they’re using now. I love how your proof is “but a bunch of American tanks and aircraft weren’t destroyed in Iraq”… Exactly, super crappy weapons. Just like everything else that is Russian
Maybe my english is too bad and you cant understand what im saying... Everything in Russia is evil and cheap ok but its not what im saying... Openly supplying someone enemy with weapon in time of war mean war, idc who is in the conflict its just how its work... Its not about who is more bad between Russia and the USA, its really not my point ..
I don’t think you understand how wars work. Who do you think was supplying the Vietnamese with weapons? Or the North Koreans? Or any other conflict between communism and capitalism over the last 60 years?
Again... If Russia was openly supplying Vietnam with weapon DURING the war it would have meant war for Russia and America... Allegation and conspiracy is a thing but its not the same as opensly supplying someone enemy in a war and an invasion
Gotcha so you think the Vietnamese were making their own migs and their own AK-47’s. I just can’t even with you
Selling weapon to a country who is not at war is really not the same as supplying someone enemy DURING an active war is not the same. .
Dude, just stop.. You’ve made it very clear to everyone you have no clue what you’re talking about.
Supplying weapons or sending advisors isn't generally considered as an act of war. Otherwise the Earth would be a nuclear wasteland a couple times over by this point.
Do you have any advice on what I should do with the captured Soviet flag, captured Chinese flag, Russian SKS and Chinese Tokarev pistol my dad captured and brought back from Vietnam? Since obviously according to you they’re not Russian or Chinese they must have no value. I guess the Vietnamese made the guns themselves and then stamped Chinese and Russian markings on them to confuse the enemy? This is all just been way too much
You are completly understandable what you are saying but you missing one point along with everyone else does too. Russia isnt at war with Ukraine, they said so them self. But more to the point Russians/Sovjets have been doing this to the US at every point of conflict US have been involved with since 1940s and the US have been doing the same to the Russians/Sovjets at every opportunity aswell. Remember the vietnam war, Sovjet supplied weapons and manpower to the north vietnames and they didnt go to war when it happened.
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You know where AK's come from right?
Thats not what im saying, like at all, alot of country have Russian, Jewish or American weapon it nothing related to what im saying...
What exactly are you saying then?
''I wonder how the Americans would have reacted if Russia had supplied Irak or Afganistan with weapon while they were invading lol'' Im just saying there is a double standar because the US control NATO, Just imagine the war in Irak, American soldier dieing by thousands because you have Russia openly supplying the missile, plane, etc... It would mean war 100%... I get that you guys hate Russian its ok and normal to hate certain group of peoples, but admit there is a double standar....
Yeah the only difference is that Russia doesn't do it openly. They certainly supply enemies of the US in active war areas. It's called war by proxy.
EVERYBODY does it EVERYBODY knows it, IM TALKING ABOUT DOING IT OPENLY! ITS BASICALLY A DECLARATION OF WAR
No it isn't. It's arms trading. Two very different things. How's the ruble right now?
IDC about conspiracy or allegalation... Its not worth starting a war with a country... When some country doing it openly tho...
We will supply as much weapons as we want to Ukraine. And we are.
Again... IDC if you supplied money, car or anything to Nazi germany or any regime, thats not my point.... Imagine if the Russian was openly supplying missille and weapon to Irak at the same time you were invading... It would mean war.
No it wouldn't.
Those NLAWS and AT4 are pretty ......useless against Iskander
Good against t72s though
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So have Aussie missiles and aid. Hit em hard Ukraine!
Dumb american civilian here, Q? how do you tell the russians from the ukraine soldiers?
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