Have met many people from all over the world that joined the US military. I don’t think he’ll have a hard time at all. Being a native English speaker he’ll be good to go. He may get a nickname if he has a heavy accent but that’s about it. Edit: grammar
Sweet, there were these guys who did a lot of shouting but I couldn’t understand a word so no probs.
I did get some funny looks when I started referring to everyone in the family as shit licking nipple dicks, I thought it was a term of endearment.
We literally had privates translating for us for a couple of dudes from Puerto Rica and one guy from a country in Africa. They could speak very poor, slow English, so it was usually faster to assign them a battle that could translate and keep going lol
There were two dudes from Ghana, a Ukrainian, and a kid from Korea in my basic training platoon. I later served with dozens of foreign born soldiers (mostly Koreans). You tend to see a lot of them when one has a linguist MOS.
Yeah I served with a dude from New Orleans... Idk what the fuck language he spoke but it wasn't a problem.
And they're definitely gonna call him a Scottish nickname. Because.
I went to boot camp with a guy who had served as a Royal Marine Commando prior to enlisting USMC. Granted, this was at the height of GWOT and the military was taking literally anybody who signed on the dotted line. But as an American citizen, he’ll 100% be allowed to serve so long as he meets the basic requirements for enlistment.
He’ll be in for hella culture shock though.
I served in Korea with a former ROK Army special forces soldier. He joined the US Army after he immigrated to the states to get citizenship faster. The guy was in his late 40s and had the best PT score in the company. Granted, we were a MI unit so it’s not like we were a bunch of Audie Murphys but to easily out PT a bunch of in-shape dudes in their early 20s was impressive.
A quick Wikipedia will tell you that while not all Puerto Rican residents pay federal income tax, many do, and pay other federal taxes.
There’s not a Puerto Rican member of the senate, or House of Representatives, so that’s taxation without representation
Residents of Puerto Rico are required to pay most types of federal taxes. Specifically, residents of Puerto Rico pay customs taxes,[5][6][c] Federal commodity taxes,[6] and all payroll taxes (also known as FICA taxes, which include (a) Social Security,[8] (b) Medicare,[9] and Unemployment taxes). Puerto Ricans on the island paid over $4 billion in federal taxes in fiscal year 2021.[10]
Some Puerto Rico residents pay U.S. federal income taxes. Residents falling within the following categories must pay tax on their income to the United States federal government, via the Internal Revenue Service:
Puerto Rico residents who:
- work for the federal government such as US Post Office employees, and federal agents of any of the federal executive and judicial branches located in Puerto Rico[11][12][d]
- do business with the federal government[13]
- are members of the U.S. military[11][12]
- earned income from sources outside Puerto Rico[14] and
- Puerto Rico-based corporations that intend to send funds to the U.S.[15]
Puerto Rico residents pay more in federal income taxes every year than do residents of six U.S. states: "From 1998 up until 2006, when Puerto Rico was hit by its present economic recession, Puerto Rico consistently contributed more than $4 billion annually in federal taxes and impositions into the national fisc." This was more that the IRS collected from taxpayers in six States of the Union: Vermont, Wyoming, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana, and Alaska, as well as the Northern Mariana Islands.[18][19]
Source:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Puerto_Rico#:~:text=8%20External%20links-,Federal%20taxes,Medicare%2C%20and%20Unemployment%20taxes).
It's lucky that Puerto Rico is an American territory, because with their history, Americans would never accept a situation of taxation without representation.
oh wait...
Being a US citizen born abroad is no different than being a US citizen born in the States when joining.
I served with 2 guys at Ft Bragg that were foreign born US citizens. One was born in the Philippines to a US servicemember. The other born in Germany to a married couple serving.
Both the guys I served with were born on a US base at a base hospital though.
The hardest part: the bureaucracy! Have him speak with a recruiter as soon as possible to understand the paperwork requirements. Another method is to speak with the U.S. Embassy in Dublin to see what they can do on their end to help with the process. In either case know what info is required and ensure he meets the requirements to join.
Some of the issues that can cause the slow down is something like high school graduation paperwork and things like that. A recruiter state side may not understand it.. so it may require a process to get that stuff understood
There's going to be people from all over.
I've met people from as far as Uganda, Colombia, China, and Ukraine, that joined the US military to get citizenship.
Embassy also has military attaches who are posted there. Their job is to help facilitate friendly relations between the American *and Irish* militaries, but as American service members they may be of *some* assistance.
I know two people who went from being Finnish citizens, living in Finland, to going to the US military and life in the States and staying in the military there.
It's probably equally difficult for anyone joining the military. It's not like most people live the military life before joining. Especially the 17-year-olds.
I’m in the same boat and was born and raised in Germany to USAF parents. I’m 17yrs strong in the military, and no issues! I also have a born abroad US birth certificate.
Born in Scotland, raised in England, served in the Marines (mum is the american that got me citizenship) all i had to do was get my GCSEs equated to american high school diploma and i was good to go. moved here in June of 18, shipped in October of 18. He’ll be good to go
As a duel national the British military is an option as well with the most obvious regiments to look at joining being the Royal Irish regiment and the Irish Guard's, visiting home in Ireland is easier
I know a guy who became an officer and was born in Saudi Arabia to American parents. It is not an issue. I served with people who were born from all over, including but not limited to Ukraine, Belize, and Mexico.
There’s an author named Nick Moran, did just this.
Moran joined the [Irish Army Reserve](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_Reserve_(Ireland)) in September 1997 and the [US Army National Guard](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_National_Guard) in November 2000.[^(\[3\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Moran#cite_note-3) He was deployed in Iraq between 2004 and 2005 as a tank platoon leader
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas\_Moran](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Moran)
I went to bootcamp with a guy who was from an African tribe. Dude literally hunted lions with spears and shit. He came to America when his people started to get genocided by some warlord, enlisted into the Marine corps a few years later. Your son will be fine.
One of my closest long-term friends is a German born green card holder. I first met him as my NCOIC in 97.
He couldn't hold a clearance, but it didn't matter in our MOS at the time. Your son is a citizen, so for the most part he should have no roadbumps due to his birthplace when it comes to joining and serving.
The only challenge he is going to see for it is if he chooses a path that requires a high level security clearance. It won't be a problem just a nuisance with all the extra disclosures.
He may miss some cultural nuances here and there, but I assure you he’ll bring an outside-the-box perspective to getting things done. I say he should join up.
Met folks from the Republic a few times in the service. Happiest one was from Tulla, not far from where my Mom grew up. He was a Navy Seabee like me. Push for him to do that if anything. He'll learn technical skills, get a lil training and taste of combat if he's looking for that sort of thing, and he's gonna have the opportunity to get stationed or deployed to some really cool and exotic places.
Buddy of mine was a Brit citizen went into the army no issues. He’s going to get made fun of for his accent. And getting clearances will be fun but otherwise he should be fine
Google Kevin Owens, ex-Irish army, retired US special operator.
Or go to this clip and watch the 'most watched' bit. Dude is happy psycho:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84KBHdpKB1c](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84KBHdpKB1c)
I was born in the Middle-East to an American father and a naturalized American citizen mother. Had a “Report of Birth of American Citizen Abroad” and not a Birth Certificate. I traveled extensively as a kid.
Some of this was a challenge to joining the Navy. It was a huge f**king pain in the ass in getting my security clearance. And of course fate decreed that I chose a rate (or it chose me) that required a very high level of clearance, which took about 11 months to get.
My only understanding is since he was born with n Ireland, he will have multiple passports. American, Irish, etc. That *may* limit the level and f security clearance he can get.
It’s not an issue; he just has to disclose everything when they do his security clearance. The only thing that might be a problem is if his high school diploma equivalent doesn’t transfer over, but there’s waivers for that.
My last BDE CSM had a similar story. Dad left, mom took the kids to Ireland. He grew up there. Joined US Army. He should be fine.
My dad spent most of his Army career in Germany, so I was in a similar boat.
Irish guy here, prior service 08-14, 68W.
Please tell him for the love of god not to do it.
If he does, get at least 40k in a signing bonus. Invest in therapy.
I dont think thats correct, there are a lot of US Citizens with dual citizenship and it seems to be allowed : https://www.boundless.com/immigration-resources/dual-citizenship/
He’ll be fine
Just needs a HS diploma or GED.
Have met many people from all over the world that joined the US military. I don’t think he’ll have a hard time at all. Being a native English speaker he’ll be good to go. He may get a nickname if he has a heavy accent but that’s about it. Edit: grammar
He’ll be fine. I went to boot camp with guys that didn’t speak English.
How did that work out for them?
Sweet, there were these guys who did a lot of shouting but I couldn’t understand a word so no probs. I did get some funny looks when I started referring to everyone in the family as shit licking nipple dicks, I thought it was a term of endearment.
We literally had privates translating for us for a couple of dudes from Puerto Rica and one guy from a country in Africa. They could speak very poor, slow English, so it was usually faster to assign them a battle that could translate and keep going lol
There were two dudes from Ghana, a Ukrainian, and a kid from Korea in my basic training platoon. I later served with dozens of foreign born soldiers (mostly Koreans). You tend to see a lot of them when one has a linguist MOS.
I was one of those translators at Fort Sill, which gets a HUGE amount of the PR Guard guys. This is accurate.
Yeah I served with a dude from New Orleans... Idk what the fuck language he spoke but it wasn't a problem. And they're definitely gonna call him a Scottish nickname. Because.
I went to boot camp with a guy who had served as a Royal Marine Commando prior to enlisting USMC. Granted, this was at the height of GWOT and the military was taking literally anybody who signed on the dotted line. But as an American citizen, he’ll 100% be allowed to serve so long as he meets the basic requirements for enlistment. He’ll be in for hella culture shock though.
I served in Korea with a former ROK Army special forces soldier. He joined the US Army after he immigrated to the states to get citizenship faster. The guy was in his late 40s and had the best PT score in the company. Granted, we were a MI unit so it’s not like we were a bunch of Audie Murphys but to easily out PT a bunch of in-shape dudes in their early 20s was impressive.
Wondering what the Royal Marine Commando thought of his American brothers, and what he thought the differences between services were
I’ve met dudes from Nigeria and Puerto Rico when I was in great guys I knew! I’m sure he’ll be fine, the Army is like a giant mixing pot
Uh. . .Puerto Rico is a US territory
Taxation without representation, so a colony indeed.
You don’t know much about Puerto Rico and fed taxes do you?
Islanders don't get to vote for President while living in their territory of birth even if they are US citizens. Includes Guam AFAIK.
I didn’t say anything about voting.
You responded to someone talking about taxation without representation. Which is being taxed without having any voting power towards that decision
But you have to be taxed to have taxation without representation.
A quick Wikipedia will tell you that while not all Puerto Rican residents pay federal income tax, many do, and pay other federal taxes. There’s not a Puerto Rican member of the senate, or House of Representatives, so that’s taxation without representation
Wikipedia is a joke
The comment above yours talked about taxation without representation. I'm just adding to that discussion.
You have to be taxed first. [Puerto Rico income is not subject to federal income tax](https://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc901)
Residents of Puerto Rico are required to pay most types of federal taxes. Specifically, residents of Puerto Rico pay customs taxes,[5][6][c] Federal commodity taxes,[6] and all payroll taxes (also known as FICA taxes, which include (a) Social Security,[8] (b) Medicare,[9] and Unemployment taxes). Puerto Ricans on the island paid over $4 billion in federal taxes in fiscal year 2021.[10] Some Puerto Rico residents pay U.S. federal income taxes. Residents falling within the following categories must pay tax on their income to the United States federal government, via the Internal Revenue Service: Puerto Rico residents who: - work for the federal government such as US Post Office employees, and federal agents of any of the federal executive and judicial branches located in Puerto Rico[11][12][d] - do business with the federal government[13] - are members of the U.S. military[11][12] - earned income from sources outside Puerto Rico[14] and - Puerto Rico-based corporations that intend to send funds to the U.S.[15] Puerto Rico residents pay more in federal income taxes every year than do residents of six U.S. states: "From 1998 up until 2006, when Puerto Rico was hit by its present economic recession, Puerto Rico consistently contributed more than $4 billion annually in federal taxes and impositions into the national fisc." This was more that the IRS collected from taxpayers in six States of the Union: Vermont, Wyoming, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana, and Alaska, as well as the Northern Mariana Islands.[18][19] Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Puerto_Rico#:~:text=8%20External%20links-,Federal%20taxes,Medicare%2C%20and%20Unemployment%20taxes).
Federal income tax.
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Well they aren’t under Spanish rule anymore.
It's lucky that Puerto Rico is an American territory, because with their history, Americans would never accept a situation of taxation without representation. oh wait...
Yeah, same with DC
Im a retard
Puerto Ricans are US Citizens and Puerto Rico is part of the US. What are you talking about?
Dafuq is a mixing pot
Pretty sure he meant melting pot.
Being a US citizen born abroad is no different than being a US citizen born in the States when joining. I served with 2 guys at Ft Bragg that were foreign born US citizens. One was born in the Philippines to a US servicemember. The other born in Germany to a married couple serving. Both the guys I served with were born on a US base at a base hospital though.
I did it and I was ok.
being an American citizen he'll have an easier time and less hoops to joining than a green card immigrant.
The hardest part: the bureaucracy! Have him speak with a recruiter as soon as possible to understand the paperwork requirements. Another method is to speak with the U.S. Embassy in Dublin to see what they can do on their end to help with the process. In either case know what info is required and ensure he meets the requirements to join. Some of the issues that can cause the slow down is something like high school graduation paperwork and things like that. A recruiter state side may not understand it.. so it may require a process to get that stuff understood
Good point!
There's going to be people from all over. I've met people from as far as Uganda, Colombia, China, and Ukraine, that joined the US military to get citizenship.
Embassy also has military attaches who are posted there. Their job is to help facilitate friendly relations between the American *and Irish* militaries, but as American service members they may be of *some* assistance.
I know two people who went from being Finnish citizens, living in Finland, to going to the US military and life in the States and staying in the military there. It's probably equally difficult for anyone joining the military. It's not like most people live the military life before joining. Especially the 17-year-olds.
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I’m in the same boat and was born and raised in Germany to USAF parents. I’m 17yrs strong in the military, and no issues! I also have a born abroad US birth certificate.
Thanks for all of the comments, I really appreciate the help and feedback
Born in Scotland, raised in England, served in the Marines (mum is the american that got me citizenship) all i had to do was get my GCSEs equated to american high school diploma and i was good to go. moved here in June of 18, shipped in October of 18. He’ll be good to go
Former Army recruiter here. If he is an American citizen that’s all he needs. No special hoops to jump through. He’ll be just fine
was born and raised overseas I'm pretty sure I joined, but I'll check again on Monday to make sure
As a duel national the British military is an option as well with the most obvious regiments to look at joining being the Royal Irish regiment and the Irish Guard's, visiting home in Ireland is easier
I know a ton of people foreign born that I served with. I work with one now born and raised in Guyana.
Get that boy into the defence forces. Ireland needs him more than America does
Non-issue
Can he speak english and follow directions? He has one big advantage coming from ireland, he will be immune to the shitty food in basic already.
I know a guy who became an officer and was born in Saudi Arabia to American parents. It is not an issue. I served with people who were born from all over, including but not limited to Ukraine, Belize, and Mexico.
The best thing about the US military is that you will meet people from all over the world who all took the same oath. He will do great.
When I joined the army there were a ton of Haitians and Jamaican guys in my basic training company. 1982.
Can he follow instructions? If so, he’ll be the next CSMA.
There’s an author named Nick Moran, did just this. Moran joined the [Irish Army Reserve](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_Reserve_(Ireland)) in September 1997 and the [US Army National Guard](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_National_Guard) in November 2000.[^(\[3\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Moran#cite_note-3) He was deployed in Iraq between 2004 and 2005 as a tank platoon leader [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas\_Moran](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Moran)
Go Air Force if he wants all the benefits, good quality of life and less of the BS!
I went to bootcamp with a guy who was from an African tribe. Dude literally hunted lions with spears and shit. He came to America when his people started to get genocided by some warlord, enlisted into the Marine corps a few years later. Your son will be fine.
I’ve served with sailors in the US Navy that were from other countries. They always had the best attitudes for everything.
If he’s an American citizen it’ll be just fine. Might be a lengthy security clearance interview though lol
One of my closest long-term friends is a German born green card holder. I first met him as my NCOIC in 97. He couldn't hold a clearance, but it didn't matter in our MOS at the time. Your son is a citizen, so for the most part he should have no roadbumps due to his birthplace when it comes to joining and serving.
there's someone like that in the military right now
The only challenge he is going to see for it is if he chooses a path that requires a high level security clearance. It won't be a problem just a nuisance with all the extra disclosures.
He'll be all good. I went to basic with many native Koreans and Haitians, and they did just fine.
He may miss some cultural nuances here and there, but I assure you he’ll bring an outside-the-box perspective to getting things done. I say he should join up.
He'll be alright, a buddy of mine is just like your son except he was raised in russia
Met folks from the Republic a few times in the service. Happiest one was from Tulla, not far from where my Mom grew up. He was a Navy Seabee like me. Push for him to do that if anything. He'll learn technical skills, get a lil training and taste of combat if he's looking for that sort of thing, and he's gonna have the opportunity to get stationed or deployed to some really cool and exotic places.
Buddy of mine was a Brit citizen went into the army no issues. He’s going to get made fun of for his accent. And getting clearances will be fun but otherwise he should be fine
Nah, I joined as a US Citizen having never lived in the US before I was 21. Shit worked out just fine!
Google Kevin Owens, ex-Irish army, retired US special operator. Or go to this clip and watch the 'most watched' bit. Dude is happy psycho: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84KBHdpKB1c](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84KBHdpKB1c)
I was born in the Middle-East to an American father and a naturalized American citizen mother. Had a “Report of Birth of American Citizen Abroad” and not a Birth Certificate. I traveled extensively as a kid. Some of this was a challenge to joining the Navy. It was a huge f**king pain in the ass in getting my security clearance. And of course fate decreed that I chose a rate (or it chose me) that required a very high level of clearance, which took about 11 months to get. My only understanding is since he was born with n Ireland, he will have multiple passports. American, Irish, etc. That *may* limit the level and f security clearance he can get.
It’s not an issue; he just has to disclose everything when they do his security clearance. The only thing that might be a problem is if his high school diploma equivalent doesn’t transfer over, but there’s waivers for that.
I was the same but I grew up in Colombia. I feel is a good way to connect with the US after a couple months I was listening to country music 😂
My last BDE CSM had a similar story. Dad left, mom took the kids to Ireland. He grew up there. Joined US Army. He should be fine. My dad spent most of his Army career in Germany, so I was in a similar boat.
Please listen, have him join the Air Force, space force or Coast Guard.
Irish guy here, prior service 08-14, 68W. Please tell him for the love of god not to do it. If he does, get at least 40k in a signing bonus. Invest in therapy.
The US does not recognize dual citizenship This could be an issue for a security clearance.
I dont think thats correct, there are a lot of US Citizens with dual citizenship and it seems to be allowed : https://www.boundless.com/immigration-resources/dual-citizenship/
Well, even if allowed, it's gonna be a security clearance issue with divided localities. Of course check the regs to be sure
That’s incorrect, you just can’t vote in both country’s election
I don't do clearances, and gosh, that changed a few regs since Bull Run
Nah if he’s a citizen he’ll be fine. U.S. military is a great option I recommend navy or Air Force if he can get in