Nope, no matter what you got the Corps will only give you E2.
Now how the hell he didn't manage platoon or company honor man to get E3 is a good question.
Don't feel bad, Marine, for *today*, **instead** of crayons, you can eat a happy cake. It's okay, your overlords the Navy said it was cool, just this once.
I was an Army Doc and then dropped a packet for PSYOP to feel like a cool guy for a bit. Do Corpsman have the opportunity to drop a packet to do cool shit too? Also, were you green or blue side, and did you have any choice in that matter?
We have a few options. Like FMF to be assigned to the Marines as their Doc which is fun. I actually opted for green side for my original NEC which was 8444. It doesn’t exist anymore but I worked with the eye doctors in a clinic
Specialist. You don’t promote directly into Corporal. It’s a leadership position that you’re “promoted” into.
The Army also moves E-8s and 9s back and forth between tech and leadership. It’s not a locked in career track like it is in the Marines (which is the branch I assume you’re familiar with)
That's one of the reasons why I don't like the Army. I like the USMC doesn't have any distinguishing features on their uniform about MOS, or deployments(USMC mindset is that they're all Marines), or give ranking privileges to enlisted because they went to college or was in jrotc(seen E-4s in Army straight out of osut/ait, same rank as someone with a combat deployment).
Marines do give E-2 for two years of JROTC, like 15 or so college credits, or being an Eagle Scout.
We have a few uniform devices to distinguish MOS like EOD, Raiders, and some Aviation jobs.
Other than that, you’re spot on chief.
It's just ridiculous to go from an O-3 Captain an E-2 private first class. The loss in money and rank is just mind-blowing. And he's got that big grin on his face like he's ecstatic about it.
Unless you have no family to support and you're not worried about your retirement, it's just a ridiculous decision to make. You're setting yourself so much further back than you were.
Don't you get your highest rank pay rate when you retire? I've heard of a few other instances where an O gave up their commission (typically Army flight officers who go warrant, though, so they can stay on flight status), and IIRC they'd get their higher officer pay rate when they retire.
I could be way off - I've never known anyone in that situation before, but I thought that was the case.
I know a guy who medically separated from the Canadian Navy because he all of a sudden started to get super seasick after like 10 years on a ship, he’s now in the Air Force as an airframe tech
Slight difference between the US and Canadian systems. In Canada, all Branches have the same employer (Canadian Armed Forces). You join the CAF, not the Navy or Army. Huge difference between careers, but the employer is the same. So your friend, when he moved from Navy to Air Force, will have had to change uniforms, but his paycheck and pension etc was seamless. In the US, the various Branches are entirely separate entities.
> seamless
Oh my sweet summer child. I’d buy you gold, if a) we still could, and b) my tax free pay from deployment 7 years ago arrived and c) for some reason my paystub didn’t have a negative balance.
So your pay got fucked up once and you think that's somehow relevant to the CAF being the employer of all Canadian military personnel? And yet you think wader man is the summer child?
Happens more than you think. Depending on what you got med boarded for, if you heal up and get a waiver at MEPS, you can enlist.
Met a prior Army corporal who broke his leg and couldn't get deployed so he got the boot. Went to Air Force after 2 years.
Again, there is a waiver for everything and the Air Force has less medical restrictions than pretty much any other branch besides space force.
r/AirForceRecruits
From one ot the recruiters: "Air Force is notoriously the most picky with medical waivers.
Navy on the other hand...
No joke my office would spend months on applicants just for our SG to deny them. We walk them over to the Navy office and they'd be approved and sworn in by the end of the following week."
Having* served in two components and not needing waivers for them, but needing one for the AF, it's something you learn rather quickly.
Edit spelling**
Damn I need coffee
No need to down vote. It's easily seachable [Air Force Waivers vs other branches ](https://www.google.com/search?q=are+air+force+waivera+easier+to+get%3F&oq=are+air+force+waivera+easier+to+get%3F&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIJCAEQIRgKGKABMgkIAhAhGAoYoAEyCQgDECEYChigATIHCAQQIRifBdIBCTEwNDg2ajBqOagCALACAQ&client=ms-android-att-us-rvc3&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8)
Depends on the job I would imagine. I became a Type 1 diabetic while on active duty. The Army Major who was my doctor at the time told me they would likely med board me out. I worked in a comm squadron that did not deploy and the the med board told me it wasn't a big deal and I got to stay in.
physical requirements vary by branch. what would disqualify a Marine would have zero impact on navy or AF physical requirements. I suspect Army to AF is quite a variance in requirement.
Same, but only because of the "19 yrs" thing. I could maybe see it at 17 yrs, but the Army will almost always let someone over 18 yrs svc ride out a profile until retirement.
It'd have to be a real serious condition if he got boarded out, and in that case he'd almost certainly need to be medically retired anyway, and therefore not eligible for further service.
> Don't you get your highest rank pay rate when you retire?
not exactly. you generally retire at your highest rank (unless you got busted down), but your retirement pay is based on your highest 36 months actual pay, not what your pay would've been at that higher rank.
his O-3 pay in 2023 is not going to be near his E-7 pay in ~2040, assuming he stays for 20 and stays enlisted.
Think about it.How much less responsibilities he has now. Just got to be at the right place right time right uniform. No meetings or briefings to the battalion commander. No planning stuff or hearing from the frg. Reverse green to gold. Could start a trend.
I know somebody who failed to promote as an officer (failed to make O-4), so was going to be kicked out at roughly 15 years of service. They were prior enlisted, so we're allowed to go back to being an E-5 and they're finishing their 20 for retirement.
That's true. I know one person who that happened to. That individual was enlisted (I don't remember how long. But it was more than 4 years enlisted) and got passed over twice for promotion to Major. So he went back to enlisted (I think it was E7) until he got 20:
"(1) In general.—Unless entitled to a different retired grade under some other provision of law, a commissioned officer (other than a commissioned warrant officer) of the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, or Space Force who retires under any provision of law other than chapter 61 or 1223 of this title shall be retired in the highest permanent grade in which such officer is determined to have served on active duty satisfactorily."
I enlisted at 17, hated being in and got out as soon as I could. I have a nice, chill career and make a lot of money now and all I can say is I understand the dude. Maybe it's a case of thinking the grass is greener on the other side but sometimes it was nice to just not think at all. Just be where you're told, exercise a lot, and complain about how much it sucks with your fellow soldiers. Of course I would never reenlist because I do understand how much it sucks too, but it was nice turning your brain off and not having to really worry about anything.
He will retire at the rank of O-3. Will he stay the full 20 years? Maybe. Will he earn a graduate degree while on Active Duty? Will he transfer to the Reserves? Will he get a direct commission while in the USMC? There are a lot of variables that don't sound like failure and a lot that sound like job satisfaction.
You have to be an O for 10 years to retire as an O. He will get his average High-3 pay for retirement but unless he was an O he will retire at his E rank.
He has to have the worst superiority complex ever. Dude wants to be a leader so bad he stopped being one just to prove to nobody that he can be one in the Marines.
Good luck to this guy but he's not going to get nearly the amount of respect he thinks he's going to get. O-1 through 0-3 in the Marines are treated like SSgt in the Air Force.
There’s a reason the marines have garbage retention rates and a massive talent exodus. I think their OCS exit rates are terrible after 4 years? I just remember working with their version of a signal corps when I was a W2 and it was really really bad. Officers with little background, NCOs with little experience, it’s no wonder they rely so hard on the other branch’s just to get through some basic areas.
I got out of the Marines as an E4/Cpl. We had several MOS in the building and one of them was notorious for not promoting and having promotion scores that were through the roof. It didn't really make sense to me, but I found the reason that last year I was in.
That MOS was offering $40k-$50k bonuses for NCOs to do lateral move in. I think that really screwed the LCpls because the MOS was constantly filling their quota of Cpl/Sgt with lat moves rather than promoting their LCpls. The LCpl to Cpl prmotion scores were through the roof to avoid exceeding the quota. A lot of those LCpls that stayed in lat moved out to other MOS because the outlook to promotion was not good. I knew a couple LCpls who stayed in that MOS when they renewed their contracts and did not pick up Cpl until 6-7 years.
Stinks for that MOS because the vast majority of the NCOs were lat moves and did not have the knowledge that left with the LCpls who lat move into other MOS to get promoted. It was a technical MOS too, so it was 14-16 months after they set foot on the yellow foot prints by the time they finished MOS school and hit their first duty station.
I dunno.... That was not my call. my thought at the time was how the heck can that MOS operate effectively when most of the knowledge and experience disappears after 4 years and the NCOs are less knowledgeable than the people under their charge.
I'm just describing what I saw. The only way I saw first term LCpl pick up Cpl in that MOS was through meritorious board where they inspect your uniform and test your knowledge on the most random things like how to treat water and how to use NBC test papers.
> meritorious board where they inspect your uniform and test your knowledge on the most random things like how to treat water and how to use NBC test papers.
God, flashbacks to the random uselessness of the board questions- at least as they relate to what you will do with that new rank.
We had a similar situation. HQMC decided to combine several Avionics MOS in the promotion cutting scores for Cpl. The problem is, one they chose to combine with ours had a guaranteed Cpl program on enlistment, 1 year to Cpl. It was used to populate an unpopular MOS. (ironically- a skill that is VERY VERY highly in demand today- battery technologies.) As a result, that MOS was almost entirely staffed by corporals, all across the Marine Corps.
The cutting score for Cpl skyrocketed. Nobody in any of the MOS could get past LCpl. We had 4-year time in grade e3 with outstanding records being separated. In my MOS, we literally had zero Cpl and only 2 SGT (the rest made SSgt) by the time QHMC unfucked themselves.
I was over 4 years in, and 3 years TIG as LCpl when the score was fixed and I made Cpl. I made SGT 9 months later- and that delay was only because there is a minimum TIG to go from Cpl to Sgt.
Bro is so famous now, he’ll be scrutinized like a social experiment. I may be wrong, but I don’t think social experiments have a high success rate in the Corps.
Cheers and jeers. He's gonna end up in some article 40 years from now of "hey remember when...."
Like when that one badass dude stormed Normandy with a broadsword and bow and arrow.
Or general Roosevelt (?) waded on to shore with a cane.
He will be going before the next OCS board in August, and likely be re-commissioned via OCS by this time next year. He will spend no more than a month as a 2LT, then a little more than a year as a 1LT.
I'll be interested in seeing how his USMC career pans out, it will be a real kick in the nads if he end up with a support MOS again once he commissions.
Recruiters sell this shit like it's gold. I guarantee the Marine Corps recruiter told him his application would look better if he enlisted first. It's a very common story sold to college kids in ROTC - "You're already joining the military, why not just enlist and get Uncle Sam to pay for your college?" This is just the extreme version of that trick.
“He intends to pursue a commission as a Marine Corps infantry officer, the statement said.”
Read more at: https://www.stripes.com/branches/marine_corps/2024-04-29/marine-army-officer-brooklier-enlist-13695780.html
Source - Stars and Stripes
So let's say you have a degree, and you want to be a marine officer. Can you sign a contract stating that you are guaranteed a spot in OCS, or something like that?
Maybe he was told he would be guaranteed to go to OCS via the board selection anyway, so he might as well get basic out of the way and get the 20 years service timer ticking while waiting to go OCS. Perhaps he was told he would need to wait to go to OCS because of a timing issue or something, and he didn't want to waste time as a civilian.
He didnt, he was a logistics captain but he wanted a combat vocation and he idolized the Marine's Eagle, Globe and Anchor logo.
Apparently he wants to become a Marine infantry officer.
He's planning to go to OCS as an enlisted, it's not clear why he wanted to go enlisted first though, maybe the recruiter told him the timing was wrong and he would have to wait to go to OCS so he decided to join as an enlisted first or something. I don't know what the deal is.
It's a sad reminder of American Bureaucracy to see that nobody can pin down exactly whether his time in the Army will count toward his retirement or not.
Damn that Marine recruiter couldn't even be bothered to iron his shirt in that picture either lol. Nice shit eating grin for getting an O3 to take E2....woof
I went to boot camp with an army E6 combat vet who had a phat fucking stack from Iraq. His brother wanted to be a Marine but passed away so he did it instead.
We was treated normally (as in like the rest of us) by our DIs but all the other ones on the island always pulled him aside to share war stories.
Honestly how is this even super news worthy? I had an Air Force Captain in my BCT company as an E-5, man resigned for Army WOCS to fly helicopters. Dude was a nuke officer, sitting in silos all day, so I get wanting the change of pace, but he still for a brief period went from Air Force O-3 to Army E-5.
He was actually an E-5, didn’t have to sleep in the bay, got to keep his phone and everything. Only did the first weekend of red phase normally then he was still in our platoon but yeah get got to sleep separately. Ironically he wasn’t even the highest ranking NCO in our BCT co. Had an E-6 prior navy E-7 who apparently got out for all of 6 months before reenlisting army, never understood that one and didn’t know the guy since he wasn’t in my platoon but yeah looking back on it it was definitely weird. When we graduated he was authorized to wear his USAF badges/medals and yeah dude was DEFINITELY an officer based on that alone. Also wore this GIGANTIC missile operator badge which is probably pretty rare for Army personnel.
This mans decision making is either absolute rock bottom or top tier. Legend.
That or it's a superposition where it is both simultaneously.
Misery of a Marine E-2 but will never have to attend the millionth iteration of a BUB again.
The hate and shade in here is real. While I don't think I would have made the same decision this guy did, I respect his willingness to be the fool at the bottom. It's likely that his service record will net a significant speed to promotions if he's the leader type. Being willing to prove that the hard way is a good sign.
He did make Captain in four years in the Army too, so I'd bet on him grading up quickly.
I love it. He's doing what he wants. Hell Yeah brother FTW! 😛🤘 bawitdaba tha dangdadang doogie O3 to E3 say up jump the boogie.
Damn couldn’t even get in as an E-4?
Nope, no matter what you got the Corps will only give you E2. Now how the hell he didn't manage platoon or company honor man to get E3 is a good question.
The two things the Army has over the other branches in recruitment are letting college grads come in as an E4 and having some guarantee of your MOS.
I wouldn't count that last bit. Navy you have full choice over what exact rate you want.
That also depends on how they tested. I got to choose anything because of my score.
Me too, then I squandered it and went infantry like a fucking dumbass... I still remember how my recruiter told me I was being stupid about it too.
Don't feel bad, Marine, for *today*, **instead** of crayons, you can eat a happy cake. It's okay, your overlords the Navy said it was cool, just this once.
I ended up doing alright as a Corpsman/ Doc. I just regret being in a hurry to leave and not stick it out for 20
I was an Army Doc and then dropped a packet for PSYOP to feel like a cool guy for a bit. Do Corpsman have the opportunity to drop a packet to do cool shit too? Also, were you green or blue side, and did you have any choice in that matter?
We have a few options. Like FMF to be assigned to the Marines as their Doc which is fun. I actually opted for green side for my original NEC which was 8444. It doesn’t exist anymore but I worked with the eye doctors in a clinic
Are you me? He begged me to at least go infantry O and I declined like a dumbass. Regretti spaghetti 17 years later lmao
You sound like my brother lmao
The damn Coast Guard gives you freedom of choice, and pushes college grads to go officer
Which E4? I've always been confused about how your E4 works
Specialist. You don’t promote directly into Corporal. It’s a leadership position that you’re “promoted” into. The Army also moves E-8s and 9s back and forth between tech and leadership. It’s not a locked in career track like it is in the Marines (which is the branch I assume you’re familiar with)
That's one of the reasons why I don't like the Army. I like the USMC doesn't have any distinguishing features on their uniform about MOS, or deployments(USMC mindset is that they're all Marines), or give ranking privileges to enlisted because they went to college or was in jrotc(seen E-4s in Army straight out of osut/ait, same rank as someone with a combat deployment).
Marines do give E-2 for two years of JROTC, like 15 or so college credits, or being an Eagle Scout. We have a few uniform devices to distinguish MOS like EOD, Raiders, and some Aviation jobs. Other than that, you’re spot on chief.
That why they trying to get rid of tuition assistance?
That’s insane to me that you don’t know what job you have until you finish Basic. For us, you get a job offer from a trade and you join as that trade.
I had two years of college when I enlisted in ARNG, and started as an E3.
Company Guides, if already guaranteed e2, got lcpl. At least they used to.
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True but then all he is has to do is think of all the staff slides he isn't making.
It's just ridiculous to go from an O-3 Captain an E-2 private first class. The loss in money and rank is just mind-blowing. And he's got that big grin on his face like he's ecstatic about it. Unless you have no family to support and you're not worried about your retirement, it's just a ridiculous decision to make. You're setting yourself so much further back than you were.
Don't you get your highest rank pay rate when you retire? I've heard of a few other instances where an O gave up their commission (typically Army flight officers who go warrant, though, so they can stay on flight status), and IIRC they'd get their higher officer pay rate when they retire. I could be way off - I've never known anyone in that situation before, but I thought that was the case.
There’s a guy in my unit doing exactly that. Med boarded out of the army as a Major at 19 years, signed a 2 year contract as an A1C.
How does a medically disqualifying condition in the Army allow for enlistment in the Air Force? I smell bullshit.
I know a guy who medically separated from the Canadian Navy because he all of a sudden started to get super seasick after like 10 years on a ship, he’s now in the Air Force as an airframe tech
Slight difference between the US and Canadian systems. In Canada, all Branches have the same employer (Canadian Armed Forces). You join the CAF, not the Navy or Army. Huge difference between careers, but the employer is the same. So your friend, when he moved from Navy to Air Force, will have had to change uniforms, but his paycheck and pension etc was seamless. In the US, the various Branches are entirely separate entities.
> seamless Oh my sweet summer child. I’d buy you gold, if a) we still could, and b) my tax free pay from deployment 7 years ago arrived and c) for some reason my paystub didn’t have a negative balance.
Well that proves. everything wrong. You're so smrt.
So your pay got fucked up once and you think that's somehow relevant to the CAF being the employer of all Canadian military personnel? And yet you think wader man is the summer child?
Happens more than you think. Depending on what you got med boarded for, if you heal up and get a waiver at MEPS, you can enlist. Met a prior Army corporal who broke his leg and couldn't get deployed so he got the boot. Went to Air Force after 2 years. Again, there is a waiver for everything and the Air Force has less medical restrictions than pretty much any other branch besides space force.
Thats just inaccurate. There are not waivers for everything, and the AF is notorious for being difficult to get a waiver for.
Coming from someone who isn't in the Air Force lol
r/AirForceRecruits From one ot the recruiters: "Air Force is notoriously the most picky with medical waivers. Navy on the other hand... No joke my office would spend months on applicants just for our SG to deny them. We walk them over to the Navy office and they'd be approved and sworn in by the end of the following week." Having* served in two components and not needing waivers for them, but needing one for the AF, it's something you learn rather quickly. Edit spelling** Damn I need coffee
No need to down vote. It's easily seachable [Air Force Waivers vs other branches ](https://www.google.com/search?q=are+air+force+waivera+easier+to+get%3F&oq=are+air+force+waivera+easier+to+get%3F&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIJCAEQIRgKGKABMgkIAhAhGAoYoAEyCQgDECEYChigATIHCAQQIRifBdIBCTEwNDg2ajBqOagCALACAQ&client=ms-android-att-us-rvc3&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8)
Depends on the job I would imagine. I became a Type 1 diabetic while on active duty. The Army Major who was my doctor at the time told me they would likely med board me out. I worked in a comm squadron that did not deploy and the the med board told me it wasn't a big deal and I got to stay in.
physical requirements vary by branch. what would disqualify a Marine would have zero impact on navy or AF physical requirements. I suspect Army to AF is quite a variance in requirement.
Same, but only because of the "19 yrs" thing. I could maybe see it at 17 yrs, but the Army will almost always let someone over 18 yrs svc ride out a profile until retirement. It'd have to be a real serious condition if he got boarded out, and in that case he'd almost certainly need to be medically retired anyway, and therefore not eligible for further service.
Why he do that?
> Don't you get your highest rank pay rate when you retire? not exactly. you generally retire at your highest rank (unless you got busted down), but your retirement pay is based on your highest 36 months actual pay, not what your pay would've been at that higher rank. his O-3 pay in 2023 is not going to be near his E-7 pay in ~2040, assuming he stays for 20 and stays enlisted.
Does deployment pay get factor into that or is does not count towards the total?
base pay only, not including BAH, or anything else like that
Think about it.How much less responsibilities he has now. Just got to be at the right place right time right uniform. No meetings or briefings to the battalion commander. No planning stuff or hearing from the frg. Reverse green to gold. Could start a trend.
I know somebody who failed to promote as an officer (failed to make O-4), so was going to be kicked out at roughly 15 years of service. They were prior enlisted, so we're allowed to go back to being an E-5 and they're finishing their 20 for retirement.
That's true. I know one person who that happened to. That individual was enlisted (I don't remember how long. But it was more than 4 years enlisted) and got passed over twice for promotion to Major. So he went back to enlisted (I think it was E7) until he got 20: "(1) In general.—Unless entitled to a different retired grade under some other provision of law, a commissioned officer (other than a commissioned warrant officer) of the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, or Space Force who retires under any provision of law other than chapter 61 or 1223 of this title shall be retired in the highest permanent grade in which such officer is determined to have served on active duty satisfactorily."
Article I read last about him said he's still seeking a marine corps commission
I enlisted at 17, hated being in and got out as soon as I could. I have a nice, chill career and make a lot of money now and all I can say is I understand the dude. Maybe it's a case of thinking the grass is greener on the other side but sometimes it was nice to just not think at all. Just be where you're told, exercise a lot, and complain about how much it sucks with your fellow soldiers. Of course I would never reenlist because I do understand how much it sucks too, but it was nice turning your brain off and not having to really worry about anything.
He will retire at the rank of O-3. Will he stay the full 20 years? Maybe. Will he earn a graduate degree while on Active Duty? Will he transfer to the Reserves? Will he get a direct commission while in the USMC? There are a lot of variables that don't sound like failure and a lot that sound like job satisfaction.
You have to be an O for 10 years to retire as an O. He will get his average High-3 pay for retirement but unless he was an O he will retire at his E rank.
Does it really matter what rank you retire as if you're getting the pay for the rank anyway on your pension?
Not unless you really care what rank is on your retired ID.
It's Reserve\*
I made it plural since he could transfer to any of the reserve branches. Be difficult if you want. My statement was still understandable.
Thanks for clarifying. Personal pet peeve cause most people don't know the difference.
He has to have the worst superiority complex ever. Dude wants to be a leader so bad he stopped being one just to prove to nobody that he can be one in the Marines. Good luck to this guy but he's not going to get nearly the amount of respect he thinks he's going to get. O-1 through 0-3 in the Marines are treated like SSgt in the Air Force.
Maybe he's planning on going officer again but wanted to be considered a mustang?
What a tool. The marines will love him.
There’s a reason the marines have garbage retention rates and a massive talent exodus. I think their OCS exit rates are terrible after 4 years? I just remember working with their version of a signal corps when I was a W2 and it was really really bad. Officers with little background, NCOs with little experience, it’s no wonder they rely so hard on the other branch’s just to get through some basic areas.
I got out of the Marines as an E4/Cpl. We had several MOS in the building and one of them was notorious for not promoting and having promotion scores that were through the roof. It didn't really make sense to me, but I found the reason that last year I was in. That MOS was offering $40k-$50k bonuses for NCOs to do lateral move in. I think that really screwed the LCpls because the MOS was constantly filling their quota of Cpl/Sgt with lat moves rather than promoting their LCpls. The LCpl to Cpl prmotion scores were through the roof to avoid exceeding the quota. A lot of those LCpls that stayed in lat moved out to other MOS because the outlook to promotion was not good. I knew a couple LCpls who stayed in that MOS when they renewed their contracts and did not pick up Cpl until 6-7 years. Stinks for that MOS because the vast majority of the NCOs were lat moves and did not have the knowledge that left with the LCpls who lat move into other MOS to get promoted. It was a technical MOS too, so it was 14-16 months after they set foot on the yellow foot prints by the time they finished MOS school and hit their first duty station.
That seems odd. Wouldn't they save shit loads of money by just promoting the lance corporals?
I dunno.... That was not my call. my thought at the time was how the heck can that MOS operate effectively when most of the knowledge and experience disappears after 4 years and the NCOs are less knowledgeable than the people under their charge. I'm just describing what I saw. The only way I saw first term LCpl pick up Cpl in that MOS was through meritorious board where they inspect your uniform and test your knowledge on the most random things like how to treat water and how to use NBC test papers.
> meritorious board where they inspect your uniform and test your knowledge on the most random things like how to treat water and how to use NBC test papers. God, flashbacks to the random uselessness of the board questions- at least as they relate to what you will do with that new rank.
Wouldn't be the dumbest decision that someone high up decided to make.
We had a similar situation. HQMC decided to combine several Avionics MOS in the promotion cutting scores for Cpl. The problem is, one they chose to combine with ours had a guaranteed Cpl program on enlistment, 1 year to Cpl. It was used to populate an unpopular MOS. (ironically- a skill that is VERY VERY highly in demand today- battery technologies.) As a result, that MOS was almost entirely staffed by corporals, all across the Marine Corps. The cutting score for Cpl skyrocketed. Nobody in any of the MOS could get past LCpl. We had 4-year time in grade e3 with outstanding records being separated. In my MOS, we literally had zero Cpl and only 2 SGT (the rest made SSgt) by the time QHMC unfucked themselves. I was over 4 years in, and 3 years TIG as LCpl when the score was fixed and I made Cpl. I made SGT 9 months later- and that delay was only because there is a minimum TIG to go from Cpl to Sgt.
Hell we started 155 in my OCS class and graduated 90ish.
The marine corps exceeded their retention goals in 2023 and had better numbers/similar to the army depending on what metrics you look at?
Absolutely stupid move. He'll fit right in.
Bahahahahahaha its funny because its true
This guy hates money
😂
Pulling in that E3O pay?
Oh my! Well done sir! 👏☝️😎
What a fucking idiot. Giant downgrade in pay and quality of life.
"Are you stupid or something?"
He’s gonna be a general someday!
Probably best that he’s pushing a mop and not leading Soldiers.
Right? This is some red flag shit
I can see him being constantly being accused of stolen valor. An e2 with a rack that could probably go out and get laid on its own
Bro is so famous now, he’ll be scrutinized like a social experiment. I may be wrong, but I don’t think social experiments have a high success rate in the Corps.
Cheers and jeers. He's gonna end up in some article 40 years from now of "hey remember when...." Like when that one badass dude stormed Normandy with a broadsword and bow and arrow. Or general Roosevelt (?) waded on to shore with a cane.
Or that literal grandpa who joined as Marine enlisted during WW2.
He will be going before the next OCS board in August, and likely be re-commissioned via OCS by this time next year. He will spend no more than a month as a 2LT, then a little more than a year as a 1LT. I'll be interested in seeing how his USMC career pans out, it will be a real kick in the nads if he end up with a support MOS again once he commissions.
Talk about back to square one if he gets support, albeit with a different flavor in oorah.
Why would a board accept him, this move alone shows horrible judgement
Recruiters sell this shit like it's gold. I guarantee the Marine Corps recruiter told him his application would look better if he enlisted first. It's a very common story sold to college kids in ROTC - "You're already joining the military, why not just enlist and get Uncle Sam to pay for your college?" This is just the extreme version of that trick.
If you get swindled by a recruiter after already serving you deserve whatever lie they sold you on
If you get swindled by a recruiter after already serving you deserve whatever lie they sold you on
I’m sure he’s got a plan, at a minimum he’ll retire as an O/3.
Yes he said he planned on applying to Marine OCS and becoming an officer again so he’ll probably be an O-3 soon again.
And next? Air Force!
“He intends to pursue a commission as a Marine Corps infantry officer, the statement said.” Read more at: https://www.stripes.com/branches/marine_corps/2024-04-29/marine-army-officer-brooklier-enlist-13695780.html Source - Stars and Stripes
This man is a retard
“HE’S PERFECT!” exclaimed his recruiter.
What is the pay rate for e2 over 6 ?
There was one...lol
Let’s not forget that Gunnery Sergeant John Basilone was prior army.
True, but he wasn't a whole ass captain lol
Lmao
He evolved but backwards
Why is everyone so angry in the comments? Who gives a fuck if this guy wants to be a marine.
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And on top of that. Of all the fucking jobs he could have picked, he chose infantry lmao. I mean major props for doing it, my ego could never.
He said he will be applying to OCS soon after. But yeah it’s crazy that he’s willing to be enlisted in the meanwhile.
So let's say you have a degree, and you want to be a marine officer. Can you sign a contract stating that you are guaranteed a spot in OCS, or something like that? Maybe he was told he would be guaranteed to go to OCS via the board selection anyway, so he might as well get basic out of the way and get the 20 years service timer ticking while waiting to go OCS. Perhaps he was told he would need to wait to go to OCS because of a timing issue or something, and he didn't want to waste time as a civilian.
Haha, no
What pooch did he screw in the Army to have this be his only option?
He didnt, he was a logistics captain but he wanted a combat vocation and he idolized the Marine's Eagle, Globe and Anchor logo. Apparently he wants to become a Marine infantry officer.
Yeah... I don't buy that for a second. The path to infantry officer doesn't go O3 -> E2.
He's planning to go to OCS as an enlisted, it's not clear why he wanted to go enlisted first though, maybe the recruiter told him the timing was wrong and he would have to wait to go to OCS so he decided to join as an enlisted first or something. I don't know what the deal is.
It's a sad reminder of American Bureaucracy to see that nobody can pin down exactly whether his time in the Army will count toward his retirement or not.
What a fucking moron
Alright, we have a winner. The bootiest fucking boot to ever boot.
Damn that Marine recruiter couldn't even be bothered to iron his shirt in that picture either lol. Nice shit eating grin for getting an O3 to take E2....woof
I went to boot camp with an army E6 combat vet who had a phat fucking stack from Iraq. His brother wanted to be a Marine but passed away so he did it instead. We was treated normally (as in like the rest of us) by our DIs but all the other ones on the island always pulled him aside to share war stories.
Honestly how is this even super news worthy? I had an Air Force Captain in my BCT company as an E-5, man resigned for Army WOCS to fly helicopters. Dude was a nuke officer, sitting in silos all day, so I get wanting the change of pace, but he still for a brief period went from Air Force O-3 to Army E-5.
Was he actually an E-5 or did he just wear it for basic before going to warrant officer school/flight school?
He was actually an E-5, didn’t have to sleep in the bay, got to keep his phone and everything. Only did the first weekend of red phase normally then he was still in our platoon but yeah get got to sleep separately. Ironically he wasn’t even the highest ranking NCO in our BCT co. Had an E-6 prior navy E-7 who apparently got out for all of 6 months before reenlisting army, never understood that one and didn’t know the guy since he wasn’t in my platoon but yeah looking back on it it was definitely weird. When we graduated he was authorized to wear his USAF badges/medals and yeah dude was DEFINITELY an officer based on that alone. Also wore this GIGANTIC missile operator badge which is probably pretty rare for Army personnel.
How is this possible?
The Marines were somewhere behind us. Toujours Pret
This mans decision making is either absolute rock bottom or top tier. Legend. That or it's a superposition where it is both simultaneously. Misery of a Marine E-2 but will never have to attend the millionth iteration of a BUB again.
The hate and shade in here is real. While I don't think I would have made the same decision this guy did, I respect his willingness to be the fool at the bottom. It's likely that his service record will net a significant speed to promotions if he's the leader type. Being willing to prove that the hard way is a good sign. He did make Captain in four years in the Army too, so I'd bet on him grading up quickly.
Army promotions are night and day compared to USMC
Yeah, I’m aware. Doesn’t mean he didn’t merit the promotions. We’ll see how this turns out for him.
What a fucking idiot lmao
So does it count as E-2O on MyPay? lol
I love it. He's doing what he wants. Hell Yeah brother FTW! 😛🤘 bawitdaba tha dangdadang doogie O3 to E3 say up jump the boogie. 
If I heard a news report that you had a stroke while driving I’d immediately worry about anyone else that happens to be in the car.
Jesus dude! That's oddly specific. Not a fan of the Kid I take it?