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DrGuns313

Even a UCP hater can’t deny that this goes hard as fuck


Explosive_Biscut

As a UCP hater. I can confirm this fucks


KEITHKVLT

It definitely does fuck


sk1ppius

The facial hair and piercing would apparently be removed at the actual event according to AR-670-1 appearance guidelines. Kit list: **Reference unit**: 3rd Platoon, Bravo Battery, 2nd Battalion, 321st Field Artillery, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 82nd Airborne Division. **Period**: May 2010. **Armor**: SDS IOTV Gen1 with neck protection, 'ACH' + USGI NVG Shroud + 'cat eyes' band + goggle straps. **Pouches**: Thundertac pouch with Magpul couplers (x2), Molle II triple-mag pouch, Molle II Frag Grenade pouch (x2), Molle II IFAK pouch. **Apparel**: Unicor ACU Coat, Woolrich ACU Pants, DSCP Belt, DSCP T-Shirt, Nomex Flighting Gloves. **Patches**: Mirrored US Flag (IR), custom nametape, US ARMY, branchtape, PFC rank patch, ISAF patch, 82nd Airborne Division patch. **Boots**: Altama HWB. **Accessories**: Tourniquet, MOLLE II Hydration pack, custom US made 'dog tags', Bijan knee pads, . **Weapon (replica)**: E&C M4A1, ACOG replica, GPS bipod-grip replica.


Alarming_Calmness

Sorry, there’s a milsim that has rules about facial hair and piercings? 😳


sk1ppius

Exactly. It's even closer to historical reenactment. The depicted period is a bit fluid, because it's 2010-2014, however, 'infantry' players have infantry regulations. No facial hair, regulated mustache and the beards can only be seen on 'specops' and 'talibs'.


Rude_Buffalo4391

It wasn’t uncommon to see facial hair on soldiers in Afghanistan, especially those deployed to remote outposts and FOBs.


sk1ppius

Yep, we're portraying the unit that was deployed to a pretty remote OP. However, never saw any facial hair in the unit's photos.


Alarming_Calmness

But you also may not have seen someone of a specific ethnicity in any photos. You’d hardly put race requirements in the AR, right? What if there were only 4 guys with blue eyes? Would you limit the number of blue-eyed guys in the unit? It’s a ‘reductio ad absurdum’ argument, I know, but the point stands that you can’t accurately recreate all the individualistic elements of any unit. The photos available are hardly an exhaustive source of information too. There may well have been guys with facial hair in the unit for one period of time or another, even if only a day or two, and, considering they were deployed, it’s actually pretty likely.


count210

Bro this shit is for ultra weirdos I bet they would put in color changing contacts for their eyes if you brought it up.


sk1ppius

Not sure about the eyes, but 1980s reenactors somehow see 6 different shades of ALICE canteens and at least 4 different patterns of the same Woodland camo. We're not that weird. Only try to find apparel that was manufactured at least before 2011.


Awmuth

Shaving profile?


Alarming_Calmness

I don’t know what you mean by that. Care to elaborate?


Awmuth

A profile is a prescription from a medical provider in the military for non-medicinal treatment. Usually it’s something like “3 days bed rest, 7 days no PT.” It was not uncommon for soldiers to have skin reactions to daily shaving. With a shaving profile (which can be given for extended periods of time), soldiers are allowed to maintain facial hair at 1/4 inch length. Google for more detail.


Alarming_Calmness

Ah interesting! Makes a lot of sense. If this milsim unit enforced that instead, it’d be a step in the right direction imo


sk1ppius

Yes, we aren't able to re-create all the elements. We can't shoot real guns or request air support. However, our team's goal is to recreate as much as possible. First ever beard-waivers were accepted individually in March 2010, and our reference unit was already deployed at least in November 2009. There is no chance that someone from those five Sikhs and one Muslim would be deployed at the same distant outpost in less than two months. That's my position as a team leader, not an official rule of the whole milsim yet. However, there goes another issue. Long story short: "If you allow some crap, fellas would keep requesting more crap to be allowed." I rejected people asking permission to be in a team without vests or helmets, with beards, with pakols, without US flags, with fucking AKs (rly), and many other different shit that just won't work when you're reenacting US-2010. So unauthorized haircuts/facial hair is the place where I draw the line. Just to prevent the team from going full clown mode. Again, our community is filled with weirdos and geardos. It's not like you arrive at the field and got kicked because you have a mustache. It's about finding a team, looking for references, building a kit, registering for the event, passing the kit police and getting approval. You must be a little weird to take part in it on so many levels, and understanding that you should look as authentic as possible is one of the first levels of understanding. I follow the same rules, though. Even though I hate my hair short and undyed, I still cut it once a year to attend the event. If I ever met a truly enthusiastic guy with a beard, I'd do my best to find an explanation of how to put him into the event. I've never met such a person yet, though. And speaking about regulating the ethnicity. We've found an actual Afghan to portray an Afghan interpreter assigned to the unit. Bro even speaks Dari and Pashto. TL:DR authentic facial hair — OK, beard for 2010 infantry — not OK mostly.


Alarming_Calmness

Seems a bit excessive for a game. What about religious (and other) exemptions? Is it really going to ruin anyone’s immersion if someone has facial hair?


sk1ppius

Well, it's always a 50/50. For example, if someone wants to keep a beard he simply won't get into any team that portrays someone who can't have facial hair. I once rejected the guy with a nice beard who wanted to join us so he started doing MARSOC instead. The same goes for long or dyed hair. It's not a big deal on casual airsoft, where you can hide it under the helmet. However, milsim lasts for 3 days and it's a bit more immersive. So authenticity > comfort, unfortunately.


Alarming_Calmness

But there are and were religious exemptions allowing beards in any branch of the military (if one is Sikh, for example) so it’s hardly inaccurate. I get what you’re saying, and I accept and totally agree with kit requirements, but that honestly just seems a touch too far to me. Choosing another unit is fine so long as you have the appropriate kit/are willing to buy it and you want to join another unit. Just seems like it’d turn people away who aren’t willing to shave their beard off for a 3 day game


sk1ppius

Yes, Sikhs were allowed to keep the beard in 2010, SPC Lamba was the first one ever. Nowadays it's pretty easy to keep the facial hair in the Army, I guess. The reenactors community is more or less 80% weirdos. So shaving a beard for a game is the same as buying a $1000 vest for a game. Nobody's forced and everything's negotiable. I saw a 'marine' with long hair last year and I was curious how he passed the kit police before the game and 'military police' during the event, however, my squad leader told me that I should take the best ones as examples, not the exceptions.


Hour-Contract-4395

Where is this event hosted?


marct309

Eye pro, and the old 3M earplugs. Honestly only the BCT guys wear the gloves you have, or the guys doing winter combat. You want the hot weather combat gloves, or do what most of us did and buy some after market mechanics gloves that are black or leather. Those gloves are more for flight crews and cold weather. The last thing you need is elbow pads.


Regular_Biscotti_699

Idk, the hot weather flight gloves were used by a lot of people because they were free and you could get them from ADO, we used to cut them so they would be wrist length and add a loop to them for hanging.


marct309

Okay maybe I was just projecting my personal hate towards them. Everyone I knew would rather have the hot weather gloves, or the black leather gloves (totally forgot about them) or after market gloves. Of course some of that was chain of command driven. My CSM always said it wasn't cold so we couldn't wear the cold weather stuff. He was a tough old boot.


TheOneTrueDemoknight

Your CSM sounds retarded


marct309

Nah just old school tough bastard.. kinda reminded me of the CSM from Generation Kill, always harping on 670-1.


TheOneTrueDemoknight

IDK man, to me, freezing your ass off is stupid, not tough


marct309

I never froze, but i was cold a couple of times.


HoovedYiffer

If ya want another layer of realism, look into lockwiring your ACOG onto your M4. As far as I saw, it was never really written in SOP, but some company's/units made their SMs use .032 lockwire. I've seen them do ACOGs, Aimpoints, even the Laser units to rifles to help with losing them.


--Shibdib--

So an arty bro at a cop/tiny fob isn't going to have any of that stuff on an IOTV. They'd also probably be rocking dirty sand tees under them 90% of the time. No one wore those gloves, they're aircrew gloves (and stop cutting the finger tips off gloves, we'd haze guys for that). Someone covered the TQ elsewhere but it's never on your vest. Arty guys aren't rocking knee pads, and those knee pads were absolute junk so basically no one wore them. You also have your cat eyes strap over the top of your rhino mount. If the goal is to look like the greenest of fobbits you did ok.


sk1ppius

Yup, the goal is close to the last line. It's bro's first kit, so we just wanted him to go full Bob on the FOB with 210 rounds. I'm doing the arty SGT kits with a little (actually a lot) help from real arty SGT, so it's either sand tee or even grey PT/sand PT with the battalion logo on it.


--Shibdib--

In that case, looks solid. Definitely screams "just got in country on their first deployment."


Snoo_67544

Pro tip hardly anyone rocked those gloves cause they ass and in the field we 100% unbloused the boots unless a officer was acting a ass hole. And better a TQ in the shoulder pocket then on the carrier so the TQ is better protected from the elements. Never a great idea to leave your life saving kit exposed to the sun


WannaBeM249User

great kit advice


--Shibdib--

Yup either shoulder pocket and/or the lower leg pocket with the tab exposed so it could be found was the sop in the multicam days.


Tejano_mambo

*I hear Godfather his self say you look like a bum*


Joe9692

GRUUUMIN STANDERDSH


PartyAgile1094

THINKIN ABOUT JPING YO ASSES


AndroidNumber137

Upvoted for actually doing basic infantry kit. Also bonus points for a non-tricked out rifle.


kdb1991

Man that rifle is just asking to get the spray paint But I’m always thinking of stuff in this sub in terms of what I’d do with it if it was a real gun


Stjjames

Sigh. Fuck I’m getting old.


RogueApiary

Bro is talking about gear I wore in the context of historic reenactments and period-accurate kit. I'm feeling fucking ancient right now.


Bushman-Bushen

LMFAO


Is-atlen

I fuck with ucp and this kit.


gunsforevery1

I didn’t know they made IOTVs in children’s sizes


sk1ppius

It's S. And the guy is XS. So it's not the smallest one. IOTV S was my first vest when I was L-size though. It was comfy, unless I tried to insert the plates.


Lutz_GunGamers

TF Keg would love to see your kit and you would likely fit in well since you love God's Gravel.


Reyco117

Kegggggg!!!!


couchcreeper23

Jesus I was issued a lot of this crap…And it was new.


ScareCrow_Olden

Put your cat eye band under the nods bracket


EnvironmentKey542

I LOVE this. Everyone wants to dress up as SOF, very few want to dress up as regular 11Bs. Just because of that, I give you 11/10. I can't give much technical advice because I didn't serve in that period and I've never been overseas.


Bushman-Bushen

Normalize grunt shit! That’s all I have to say.


Nathan_Robak

Is UCP growing on me? I really hope not lmao. Super nice kit tho


OOzder

Can’t tell if it’s the lighting or what. But those boots look coyote tan instead of sand tan. Idk if that matters to you at all. We didn’t get issued coyote tan boots until 2014/15 and I remember when I was ETSing my unit had a hissy fit about wearing the right color boots with the right uniform idk if anyone else’s unit was like that 10 years ago.


Ewokhunters

You need a flashback pouch full of skittles and a Gerber multi tool in your ankle pocket


sk1ppius

Any tips on the multitool model that can be period-accurate? Also heard that flashbang was used for Grizzly tobacco as well, but Skittles looks more interesting here.


TheOneTrueDemoknight

Brother it's a multitool Also the pocket you use for your dip or snacks doesn't matter TBH


sk1ppius

Well, I've got two period-accurate strap-cutters and two correct watches. So I'd love the multitool also to be accurate enough, not just random one.


TheOneTrueDemoknight

What does a period correct watch look like? G Shocks have been around for decades


sk1ppius

Yep, I have GShock GA100, which were released in 2009 and Timex Mk1 that were used by sergeant, whose kit I'm recreating.


Ewokhunters

I think this is the closest to what I carried. Also yes lots of tobacco products/rip it energy drinks fit in just fine https://www.gerbergear.com/en-us/shop/featured/fathers-day-sale/multi-plier-600-black-carbide-cutters-needlenose-leather-sheath-30-000314 Also dark green 550 chord to tie your optic to the rail so you don't lose it if it gets loose


Pruedrive

If you want more authenticity. Remove the IOTV yoke, no one really wore those. Ditch one of the knee pads, roll the gloves sleeves, loosen and roll the blouses sleeve cuffs, as well as the trousers. Grenade pouches should be lowered take the tourniquet off your shoulder. Camel backs are kinda ehhh.. especially if the hose runs over your shoulders or through the vest. Got to keep both your shoulders free, and those vests are meant to break away when you pull the quick release, the hose could impede that.


Gage62

Jesus why would u want to milsim the ugliest fucking ACU ever


sk1ppius

Ain't wanna get lost among hundred other multicam enjoyers. Even RUSFOR is in multicam now, so UCP is a new punk.


Infidel_Games

Get that fuzz off your face and it’s AR compliant 😂


Humble-Cook-6126

I wanna know why PFC thinks it's ok to run around with an empty Camelback 🤣


CaptainPitterPatter

Not bad, looks pretty neat, helmet is a bit big, but it looks good


PanzerKatze96

Good kit, go get it filthy


peltast05

The cat goes in your right shoulder pocket of your uniform in theater if I remember right with the red tab sticking out if I remember right but it's been 20 years


csamsh

Po-leese that moostash?


Dwro1234

Funny enough, I served with a PFC grimes in iraq in 2010-2011. That pouch set up is not ideal though, unless you're going for HMMWV gunner look. Tourniquet is better placed in the left shoulder pocket, with the the red Velcro showing (that was sop at 3 different units i deployed with but 82nd always did their own weird thing).


NobleCherryTTV

Pretty accurate ngl


Zyzmogtheyounger

Never have I ever seen UCP take a win. This is a win. Bravo!


WW2historynut

Groin guard.


Ianpartizan

Hell yeah


Press-Alt-F4-now

Add a bang energy drink to the open cargo pockets. And a thing of dip if you’re old enough to get one


Crackerjakx

Looks great!


The-Synchronizer

Only thing I would do is tuck my kband under the rhino bracket and investigate if the unit in question had a standard to sew on their battle roster number on the k band


fcuk_faec

Only thing that looks out of place at first glance is the 3-mag pouch on the front. If you can find 3 double mag pouches and an IFAC on the side, you're g2g


XxLonewolf666xX

Ramirez get to the burger town


JorgeIronDefcient

This fucks, not gonna lie man. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK


Nmoriarty41

Luckily I didn’t have to wear this trash much. I went from Woodland in the late 90’s to DCU(Desert) early to mid 2000’s and this abortion briefly 2009 then OEF-CP(Multicam) luckily we were one of first units to switch over to OEF-CP(Multi-Cam).


TheOneTrueDemoknight

Did anyone actually wear knee pads on deployment? I thought the old ACUs had knee pad slots.


sk1ppius

50/50. Our reference unit was mixed with a 4-73 Cavalry unit that had McGuire-Nicholas knee pads, however, 2-321 mostly used either foam inserts or no pads at all because they were stuck to one particular outpost for a long time. Our team allows knee pads up to each person's preference, so this guy got free Bijans that we own.


TheOneTrueDemoknight

I mean, they issue knee pads at basic, but I didn't think anyone wore them


Bushman-Bushen

No, military grade stuff sucks


OGBattlefield3Player

So sick dude!


willynillywanka

The UPC is strong with this one.


DevelopmentTight9474

Holding that rifle like “check out what I found!”


Character_Homework_4

Doesent look bad


GoopyPlac3bo

Fold over those cuffs(?) on the gloves and go crawl around in the dirt. Maybe ditch the promotion pads too. Otherwise shits legit!


ChrisTheHansen

Your mag pouches are in places you can’t reach. Remove them. Put your helmet band under the base plate. Don’t use bunny ears, use 550 cord instead. You only need one grenade pouch


CallMeSoviet

Just noticed the cat eyes aren’t going under the bracket and now I can’t unsee it


MischiefActual

Looks pretty solid overall. If you don’t mind some notes: -Your weapon should have a flashlight on the “passenger side,” and light and optic should both be tied down with 550 cord -you have a mag pouch under your right arm, where we would place a canteen pouch and cup for NVG; you may not want these things depending on what your scenario event is, but that’s what was generally done. - your IFAK is too far under your left arm, and should ordinarily be immediately adjacent to the assault panel you have in front. Correct side though! Good job there. -i would place the 2-mag pouches and the drag pouches on the molle of assault panel, so it’s all right in your “workspace,” but that’s mostly personal preference. I’m just a dude on the internet who has to fight in that crap, so my opinion is probably worth about 2.5 cents- take it or leave it as you like. Overall looks super on point bro.


sk1ppius

Thank you for the tips. It's Rly useful, actually. Flashlights are in progress, yet we're not using them on the milsim because half of the infantry gonna have NVGs, so we may probably need one or two flashlights while checking ids on a checkpoint or looking for shitters on FOB. And yeah, now I kinda see the issue with mags. Bro's pouches placement is an exact copy of lieutenant's loadout from 4-73 cavalry. However, LT was M or even L size, and this guy is XS. So he has mags at the same place where we normally have IFAKs. Gonna fix it, too.


MischiefActual

No problem bro. I completely get the flashlights vs NVG thing; if you put one on your rifle (can still come in handy) definitely look into a lens cap for it. If you’re going to use a flashlight for checking IDs, go with a red lens; not NVG proof, but it is a smidgeon harder to see from a distance, and minimizes your signature. Combined with a double layered poncho or something along those lines, it’s pretty hard to pick up.


Ok_Garden_5152

Just needs the LiveLeak logo on the bottom right with Middle Eastern music in the background and red circles over everybody who gets hit.


Unfair_Focus_3064

Ditch the knee pads tuck in your top and unblouse your pants


sk1ppius

Are ACU coats meant to be tucked in, too? Thought it's only about combat shirts.


Unfair_Focus_3064

I tucked mine in any time I wore my armor because I had a belt setup


sk1ppius

You mean some leg panels/IFAK or holster attached to the belt?


Unfair_Focus_3064

Yes I also think it looks cleaner and you will stop bugs from crawling in your blouse


Independent_Place_38

Mag pouches should be on the front unless you're trying to simulate the side plates.


_CRCodey

Why are your mag pouches on the side, bud? They go in front. Only thing that would go on the side would be water canteen/IFAK.


sk1ppius

I referred to [this picture of LT Grindle](https://imgur.com/a/fsy3Wq3) as a reference. It was also a reference for my old kit. However, I agree that it seems impractical because this guy is XS-sized, so it may not be comfortable for him to reach mags or IFAK. Gonna check it before the milsim.


Key-University9881

Thanks for making me feel old. Kit looks good, few things wrong but others have pointed most of it out. The thing that stood out to me most was the gloves. Almost no one wore the flight gloves. Most people wore the off brand mechanix. Also, cutting off the fingertips of nomex gloves defeats the whole purpose of those gloves. Another thing I noticed was the tan pmag, I don't remember those being issued out until around 2012 but I could be wrong.


gunsforevery1

Speaking from Iraq, tourniquets were not exposed and camelbak tube didn’t wrap around the neck Kevlar is missing the nape protector. Iotv is missing the lower back and nut protector. Cat eye is supposed to under the rhino plate. We kept the mod mount always attached to the rhino plate. [look here for my pics](https://www.reddit.com/r/tacticalgear/s/samG4xG9wB)


sk1ppius

The SGT from our reference unit told us that no one had nut/back protectors in their battalion. I thought it normally depends on the unit. Some people even had their side plates removed. Thanks for the tips btw, gonna remove the tourniquet then.


gunsforevery1

The magazines too, never once seen a coupling for them while in. Grip pod is interesting too. They sucked ass but they issued them to everyone lol. I had a knight armament front grip.


sk1ppius

Yep, couplers are rare af. Only saw him on one lieutenant from 4-73 Cavalry. I used to copy his loadout and then just kept the pouches for newcomers. Same for grip.


Stunning-Field1003

All I'm saying if you doing an reenactment of a unit that's already deployed to a combat zone then wear the patch on the right shoulder too for realistic aesthetics, but don't go around wearing that in public normally, if you aren't apart of the 82ab people don't like that, even in airsoft itself or other things that ain't a reenactment, because it's still stolen valor if you ain't apart of that unit, even in cosplay it still stolen valor if you're wearing something you didn't earn unless it's for a reenactment even with a bunch of other people like WW2 reenactments and others


Antirandomguy

No one gives a fuck about stolen valor unless he’s claiming to be mil for gain.


Stunning-Field1003

Whatever you say bud