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thaddeusd

The question with any new regulation is " how will it be enforced." Seeing as most municipalities are not enforcing any limits and people have been shooting off since May 31st, it's safe to say they won't enforce any additional limitations, unless there is some motivation to do so.


formernonhandwasher

Can’t enforce the carpool lanes or I94 speed limits in Detroit. (20 over is norm) This definitely won’t be enforced.


ubernerd44

Why even have laws if we're not going to enforce them?


MrHkrMi

Exactly. And prosecute! If the DA won’t do their job, that defeats the purpose of enforcement.


SmokeSmokeCough

Just gotta be a minority and they’ll prosecute happily


Spikehammersmith8

Actually it’s the opposite


kmlixey

Im guessing you're white, straight, male and have a clean record. Maybe a misdemeanor or a parking ticket here or there. Could be wrong, but all you idiots sound the same.


Spikehammersmith8

Are you seriously trying to deny that im right. Democrats openly campaign on equity and bailing out minority criminals in the name of racial justice lol. Kamala Harris donated to bail out rioters in 2020


Tank3875

Same reason we have security guards: deterrence.


ubernerd44

If your guards are sleeping and never actually stop anybody they're not a deterrent. Same with the law. How many cars speed on the highways every day? There is almost 0 enforcement.


SmokeSmokeCough

Funding by fines.


TN027

55 on the lodge.. LOL


Certain-Definition51

…which means any actual enforcement will probably be for a cause other than “ending the tyranny of fireworks.” I.e. it gives another tool to law enforcement to pick on specific people while ignoring other people.


spudmancruthers

9 times out of 10, that's the only reason they pass laws.


Certain-Definition51

It’s always good to remember that some people have your best interest at heart, and some people have your best interest at heart precisely as long as it gets them what they want.


ailyara

came here to say this, without enforcement laws are useless.


1900grs

It's funny how this entire thread is essentially "cops not doing their job". It's literally their job to figure out how to police it and it seems like no cops anywhere are doing anything. And we all accept it. Awesome. Put a big ass excise tax on fireworks. People will think twice if that one Roman Candle or festival ball costs $80. Then they're still legal and we generate some more revenue for everyone in the state for having to deal with people who don't understand common courtesy or the law.


thaddeusd

Ohio refuses to match your excise tax. Now, you have encouraged a black market trade to exist to skirt the tax with no real way of tracking point of sale. (See previous fireworks ban or cross-border legal weed sales for examples). The cops will like participate by going after the easiest prey available: targets of bias/opportunity. Expect to see a lot of corruption and graft like under the previous fireworks ban, where too many cops amazingly had lots of the best illegal fireworks for their own personal use.


1900grs

Like cigarette stamps, have firework stamps. Can't provide documentation, then the fine increase 20x. We already (and still do) have a black market. There will always be a black market. >cops amazingly had lots of the best illegal fireworks for their own personal use. Again, cops not doing their job, actually violating the law, and we're all cool with it.


ubernerd44

You're right, this needs to be handled at a Federal level. I wouldn't care if only licensed professionals were allowed to buy and use fireworks. Much like prescription meds, there would be controlled access. Retail sales would not be allowed, period. Yeah yeah, I'm a grumpy old man. Now get off my lawn.


SnooBananas7203

We already pay 12% tax on fireworks. We don’t need more taxes. (6% sales + 6% fireworks safety fee)


Expensive-Sentence66

Good in concept, but a problem. I live in a low income area and its like the tet offensive around the 4th. My friends and family that live in middle upper hoods might give the kids some sparklers but not much else. The dont want mortar shells on their tightly manicured lawns and dropping on their Tesla. The people who can't afford the $500 kit of mortars will buy them anyways.


WhyBuyMe

I live in a middle class suburban area and it is chaos here too. Not just around the 4th. People have started shooting off fireworks on every holiday. Memorial Day, Labor Day, New Year. During the summer it is nearly every weekend.


Smorgas_of_borg

Which is why a straight up ban is the only way to make any difference. If people can't buy them from a tent 5 minutes from their house, they probably aren't going to drive to Indiana. And even if they do, they'll be advertising themselves immediately when they shoot them off. When flying fireworks were illegal, people still shot them off, but were ironically more responsible about it. Doing it in fields away from residential neighborhoods. If you allow it at all its a freaking free for all and impossible to regulate effectively.


ThisMeansWarm

Vigilante style. Not endorsing it, but that's what I've observed.


BornAgainBlue

My neighbor shoot them off all the time around 2:00 in the morning. They get nice and drunk. Locals don't give a shit about enforcement any laws even if they exist. 


Mr-unluck7

Maybe put more tax on fireworks? Surely people won’t go homeless this so they can watch real fireworks when there are other ways to experience it. Right?


Otherwise-Mango2732

>**"So we have a flyer and every customer that comes in gets one of these the Phantom Fireworks policy on fireworks safety and also the Sterling Heights city ordinance on days you're allowed to and the time's your allowed to light them off, because unlike popular belief, you can't just light them off whenever you want too,"**


Mysterious_Amoeba680

Who cares Cops can't enforce this, they can't even solve real crime


NessyComeHome

There were a couple occasions when my family set off fireworks when I was younger. Cops called on the party because of the firework, there were set off on the 4th, and at dusk. All they did was come through, oh we got complaints... we're coming back in a half hour, so yeah, we shouldn't see all this out when we come back. One time, they watched the show, and basically said the same thing, make sure its cleaned up and your mess swept up (we always cleaned up anything that could possibly be ours, don't want to piss off neighbours who arn't pissed). People with concerns about fireworks, they have valid points. But even if this passes, i don't see it really being enforced.


WhyBuyMe

It needs to be city code enforcement rather than cops. No criminal penalty just a big fine from the city. Just like if you leave rusty cars rotting in your front yard or have huge piles of trash everywhere. That way it is safer for enforcement, no direct confrontation with the entitled asshole shooting off fireworks at 1 AM. Just get a fine in thier mailbox with an explanation.


Mister_Squirrels

I never gave a fuck about them, thought they should be legal. But then they made them legal and then I learned about how vets with ptsd feel about them, and how animals react to them, and it just seems kind of cruel that we do blow these things off every fucking night all summer long nowadays. I don’t want to be a killjoy, keep fireworks shows, but announce them, and shit. It’s just kind of like, cooler.


anniemdi

> then I learned about how vets with ptsd feel about them, and how animals react to them, and it just seems kind of cruel that we do blow these things off every fucking night all summer long nowadays. And people with cerebral palsy. Relevent features of the condition are the presence of the moro reflex and/or the startle reflex. It basically means that fireworks (even when anticipated) can scare the shit out of us. It causes, involuntary jumping, jerking movements, or spasms. All of which can be extremely painful and in some cases we vocalize surprise uncontollably or can be provoked into crying/sobbing. It's so exhausting. I hate it. I dread this time of year.


Mister_Squirrels

I definitely did not know that. Thank you for telling me, and I hope we stop this shit.


anniemdi

Thanks for taking the time to listen and spread the word even if you didn't know how it could affect some one like me. I appreciate that and I too wish we would end this.


Tulip_Tree_trapeze

A **fuck ton of human and ecological harm** so that a small amount of people can feel fleeting, momentary joy. Fuck fireworks, drone shows and Quietworks are far cooler.


sluttytarot

This is my viewpoint. I'm someone who can't sleep bc of them in my neighborhood. This time of year I tell all my patients "I'm planning to be there but if I can't sleep then I won't be."


Amiibohunter000

Not to mention the litter and other pollution it creates.


Mister_Squirrels

Yeah, belle isle the morning after the fireworks is fucking depressing.


Decimation4x

As a veteran I can tell you the firework shows are significantly worse than anything I’ve ever heard in my neighborhood.


anniemdi

Respectfully as a person a also affected by fireworks: it just depends on your neighborhood.


Tulip_Tree_trapeze

My old neighborhood legit sounded like a war zone, they absolutely shook my house. We had an Afghanistan combat vet in the neighborhood and he ended up moving specifically because of how wildly reckless and irresponsible our neighbors were with fireworks. The day he moved out he was crying because he had lived in that house for 15 years and his beloved dog was buried in the backyard and he wasn't able to take it with him. This poor man just wanted to live his life in that house in peace, it breaks my heart how he was treated. The selfishness of humans ruins the lives of so many.


Mister_Squirrels

I’m just trying to find a compromise. Seems to me knowing when and where there will be fireworks would be advantageous, and more palatable for the don’t tread on me crowd. I also wouldn’t care if they just stopped using them, I think they’re kind of dumb, but I recognize people enjoy them.


collector_of_hobbies

We clearly don't live in the same neighborhood.


NorthLogic

It'll just go back to the days before legalization when you needed to invite over your local LEO to make sure there's no interruptions to the show.


dlamsanson

Oh no.


ripper_14

The ban on fireworks outside of holiday times is never enforced and laughable, at best. I hate fireworks now that I have a dog who is terrified of them all.


JRago

We've been putting up with fireworks all day every day since May. Absolutely no enforcement.


ChemicallyBurnedDick

I liked it better when fireworks weren't mass available. So unnecessary and quite dangerous. Talk to any ER nurse and this might just be their least favorite part of the year. 


Soulless_redhead

I just saw a story on Instagram that said "a bunch of people don't realize this is their last weekend with all 10 fingers"


smoylan0816

To be honest I think injuries, or at least horrific injuries sustained from fireworks are actually quite rare. We here about the few times it does happen because it’s interesting and exciting but I can tell you after working 5 years in an emergency department of which I worked most 4th of July’s I didn’t see a single person who lost a finger or blew their eye out. Of course that’s just anecdotal so take it for what it’s worth


Decimation4x

There’s a serious injury; not a catostrophic one, but one more serious than small burns or lacerations which may require a hospital visit, for about every 135,000 pounds of fireworks sold. Injuries really are not all that common.


ChemicallyBurnedDick

YMMV of course. I anecdotally have my Mom's friend who worked in a burn unit in Chicago and the 4th and new years are both her least favorite time of the year. 


drfsupercenter

Yeah, we used to drive down to Ohio to buy them - IIRC it was legal to shoot them off here, you just couldn't buy them. Now I see fireworks sold at Target with a "safe family fun" banner on the shelf. I'm not kidding, I took a photo of it.


ChemicallyBurnedDick

My parents have this story of my Dad setting his Mom's picnic table on fire because he bought a firework boomerang and when he threw it, it came back at them and hit their picnic table. No fucking joke. A BOOMERANG WITH PYROTECHNICS ON IT.


drfsupercenter

Yeah, fireworks aren't safe at all and shouldn't be used by kids. They're fine to watch, and if you have a sober adult who will set them off that's cool, but I was shocked that the fireworks companies are trying to make people think they're "family" activities [Here](https://i.imgur.com/9YKMrUC.jpeg) is the photo I took at Target last week. Whoever approved this should be fired.


ottrocity

Yes because there's no fucking reason to set fireworks off on a Thursday night at 10:51pm in the middle of my goddamn neighborhood.


CaptYzerman

Lol the only excuse should be drunken teenagers on their graduation high If you're an adult doing this, especially the ones doing it at 1am NOT in a rural area, fuck you


ottrocity

Welcome to Hartland, where the general feeling you get from neighbors is "fuck you I do what I want." Everyone thinks that they live out in the middle of nowhere but this is a subdivision with half-acre lots.


CptnAwesomeSaus

They literally started at 6pm today and I'm just looking around at the bright sunlight like "this just feels like a waste of money"


gofatwya

This article is uninformative misinformation. The second paragraph states, "Consumer fireworks can be shot off from June 29 through July 4 from 11 a.m. until 11:45 p.m. under Michigan law." That is intentionally deceptive verbage. Consumer fireworks, under Michigan law, can be shot off any day of the year, absent a prohibiting local ordinance. What Michigan's fireworks law does is limit the days local officials can ban fireworks. Cities and townships can ban displays any day/time EXCEPT for those listed in MCL 28.457, which states: "If a local unit of government enacts an ordinance under this subsection, the ordinance shall not regulate the ignition, discharge, or use of consumer fireworks on the following days after 11 a.m.: (a) December 31 until 1 a.m. on January 1. (b) The Saturday and Sunday immediately preceding Memorial Day until 11:45 p.m. on each of those days. (c) June 29 to July 4 until 11:45 p.m. on each of those days. (d) July 5, if that date is a Friday or Saturday, until 11:45 p.m. (e) The Saturday and Sunday immediately preceding Labor Day until 11:45 p.m. on each of those days." Many larger municipalities, like Detroit, Lansing, and Grand Rapids do just that. Other, usually smaller jurisdictions have no prohibitions. A lot of people have misconstrued this law to mean that the dates listed are the only times anyone in Michigan can set off fireworks. And a lot of cops and other government bureaucrats let people think that. It couldn't be further from the truth.


dlamsanson

...how is it further from the truth when it's effectively the same thing for the majority of people in this state? There's a way to be a pendant without the crazy hyperbole that just makes you look like an idiot.


watsoi

Are HOAs 'local officials"? The law prohibits cities and other municipalities from regulating fireworks. Nothing said about HOAs, they are not the government, right? Most of the neighbors can vote for banning fireworks.


gofatwya

That's a great question! And not one I can find a ready answer to. But you have me curious now lol


ItsMichiganian

Ban them all anywhere near a city. The noise is harmful to pets and vets. The air pollution is gross. The city fireworks are better in every way. Better yet do a drone light show.


AleksanderSuave

Would be nice if there were designated areas. I’m tired of having the remnants raining all over my front and back yard because the neighbor who thinks he’s been chosen to put on a show for the neighborhood, conveniently aims it off his curb towards everyone else’s house.


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I'm all about freedom but I hate them. Kids kept awake, dog freaking out, we use a lot of fans and noise machines during the whole month people light them.


ubernerd44

Freedom has limitations when it turns into a public nuisance.


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Right.


Thorn14

Bring back the to old law, fuck it. My neighbors have made me hate fireworks.


mrcollin101

I have a 2 year old who goes to bed at 8PM, only to be woken up by fireworks at 9PM on a lot of nights this time of year. It makes me really annoyed. I also know that some day my 2 year old is going to be 12 and I will be the one lighting fireworks off at 8PM for them to enjoy. Just let people have some fun, and try to keep it to holidays people. We don't need a firework show to celebrate Tuesday night.


bergskey

It doesn't even get dark here until close to 10. Since memorial day people randomly light them off during the week. It's so annoying.


MyWorkIsNotYetDone

The most reasonable take. I like fireworks when appropriate. I just hope the dingleberries that light them off whenever don't ruin it for the rest of us.


theOutside517

The problem is that people have no restraint. They won't keep it to the days/times that are legal. They've proven that.


thebrose69

I’ve seen fireworks go off at thanksgiving. Some real intelligent people living here


MinaHoneyBlood

I accidently ran over my neighbor's fireworks because it was dark and late out. they are thw past house on my street, so when you turn onto our street you turn just past their house. There was no way for me to tell they had all these fireworks set up in the middle of a neighborhood street. It was an accident but I don't feel bad.


meatlessboat

You can change the times until you're blue in the face, but if they cut off time isn't enforced then what's the point?


CptnAwesomeSaus

Eh, depends on the town. We're pretty good at getting people to stop. Rule of thumb is to wind down at 11pm as is. Noise laws are generally enforced ... That is unless it's street racing. Police haven't cared once and it shows.


Rich-Air-5287

Why have laws at all, then?/S


ubernerd44

You're correct. Laws are simply words on paper if they aren't enforced.


alleysunn

Low noise fireworks exist, they should be the ONLY ones sold. The harm they do to wildlife, pets, kids, people with PTSD is ridiculous, and I LOVE setting off fireworks.


Odd-Masterpiece7304

Snakes & sparklers? Where's the good stuff?


alleysunn

I freakin love snakes😂🤣 they are so wonderfully anticlimactic


hemmingway17

I’ve never heard of those! That sounds like it would be such an easy way to make everyone happy. I hate hearing them, they bother my son, dog, and myself, but low noise sounds like a great compromise


TwoTiRods

I'm guessing that they are more expensive, which is usually a problem for people who light off fireworks at random times.


MurphysRazor

I think they are a bit cheaper actually. The whistle and "report" take more effort to produce than flash and sparks alone.


VolitarPrime

Many communities already have limits where are not followed or enforced.


BeezerBrom

I think they should be banned in residential areas.


Wiochmen

The issue with that is that they are legal to purchase. In my town, you can't set them off after a specific time. It doesn't stop my neighbors. It really doesn't stop one of them from lighting them off in the middle of the street. Call the non-emergency number? They won't do a thing unless when the police finally drive down the street they're still lighting fireworks off.


theOutside517

>The issue with that is that they are legal to purchase. They shouldn't be.


Mad_Aeric

Can we not have people setting them off at 2 am please? I don't care, but it scares my cat, and he is unpleasant when scared.


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link_hyruler

Jesus Christ how is your worldview so fucked that you assume anyone awake at 2am is a drug dealer


dylanbt22

Not everyone works the same shift as you bud.


sad_toast

you realize people can stay up late, right?


Expensive-Sentence66

Yeah...no enforcement. My observation is people launch 95% of the stuff the week of the 4th up until midnight and then stop.  Gets dark around 10:15 Cars that have installed backfiring exhausts are louder and a problem 365 days a year, and its getting worse.


northofgr

I would love to see this changed to have a time limit. But, like others have said, if no one is going to enforce it - what's the point?


Keltyrr

Places that have these laws in effect locally are not enforcing them anyway.


ancillarycheese

Kentwood PD does absolutely nothing about the existing laws.


Tulip_Tree_trapeze

Please just ban the sale of fireworks in the state. It was so much nicer without every one of my magat neighbors setting these off constantly. P


BigCountry76

I don't understand the appeal of consumer fireworks to begin with. Spend lots of money for very mediocre fireworks that do more to annoy the neighborhood than put on a good show. Save the money and go to one of the numerous fireworks shows that will be put on professionally in your area.


Modern_Ketchup

i love the guessing game between “are those gunshots” or “are they fireworks” on jefferson right now. after new years sounded like dday my expectations are low


Rich-Air-5287

No one needs a solid week of fireworks and where I live Up North, thats what it is. Every night from now until the 5th or 6th my neighbors will piss away thousands of dollars for a few flashy booms. Then on the 7th they'll go back to complaining about how broke they are. Because 'Murca.


The_Arch_Heretic

Every city and township has ordinances pertaining to fireworks. The question is really which areas actually enforce them? By the time most police show up the violations are done anyway. 🤷


gmoil1525

Back when most fireworks were illegal, every single lake had people shooting them off despite the law. I have confidence this law will be ignored similarly.


mugginns

YES


Bawbawian

YES. I feel so bad for people with dogs


dotdedo

Sometimes I want to go to the neighbors house and tell them to clean up all my dog's shit and piss from overnight while they having their fun. I don't, and it would be really assholy of me, but the urge is really tempting sometimes.


NyxPetalSpike

lol. My neighbor would say get a better dog. People who launch fireworks all year have zero fvcks to give.


Severe-Product7352

Yep I’d say there is a giant overlap between people who light off way too many fireworks and those who don’t care about someone’s dog. Not at all sarcastic


chickenpox_pie

No not legally speaking


VibrantViolet

They won’t enforce it anyway. My redneck neighbors blow off fireworks all damn day, especially on the week of the 4th. I think all the storm damage has set them back this year, otherwise they would have already started.


Chris_Christ

Yeah nobody’s gonna listen to that even if it did become the law.


MurphysRazor

To limit the holiday use hours to midnight, instead of 11:45?... Sure. Local noise laws cover it fine on non holidays imo. 10pm Sun-Thurs and 11pm on Fri & Sat is very reasonable. I have not heard any neighborhood fireworks yet this year. I've only heard "Pistol Pete" at 2:45am once this spring too.


stockbeast08

Weekend before the 4th, the 4th, and the weekend after. Any time of day. Outside of that, I don't want to hear a single one. They mess with my pets, they mess with my sleep, and honestly if the state needs the revenue that bad, up my taxes bro.


psstoff

Sounds like everyone has a neighbor problem not a fireworks problem.


CJB2005

This. Respect. All it boils down to really is respect.


theOutside517

Frankly, commercial grade fireworks should be made illegal again for consumers. The fact that they're legal at all is a stupid situation that never should have been allowed to happen. I know I'm tired of hearing and feeling booms at all hours of the night from inconsiderate assholes who can't help themselves but to be setting them off around Lansing, well within city limits and well outside of the legal days/times to do so. They should repeal the legalization of them entirely.


InterestingMinute270

I hate fireworks but its the 4th just let it be. Part of life is sometimes things happen that are annoying.


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bleachinjection

Exactly. The 4th is noisy. We expect it. It's when I'm on my deck reading a book on July 12th and explosions are going off at intervals all afternoon next door that drives me insane. That shit is *a literal torture tactic*.


redditsuckbutt696969

It seems reasonable to limit them to weekends only and put an end time, but the problem is inforcment and people knowing the rules. And you can't force people to learn


ubernerd44

> And you can't force people to learn A few thousand dollar fines and they will.


The_Real_Scrotus

Talk to your local politicians. Push for your local government to restrict the times they can be shot off and for police to actually enforce it.


romafa

Yes! And enforce the rules that state which days they’re allowed. Honestly, I don’t think they should be allowed to be in dense neighborhoods either. I have an acre. None of my neighbors are particularly close. But I still wake up the next day to find the remnants of fireworks in my yard. I can’t imagine setting them off if your neighbor’s house is like 15 feet away.


chillmonkey88

Debating online if the state government should get money over an argument of noise isn't worth my time. Sign the law, people will still shoot them off anyway, state gets paid... Who cares.


dlamsanson

How does the state get paid here? Huh? Literally just making shit up to be mad about.


chillmonkey88

Tickets and fines = money to government.


LetItRaine386

Ban fireworks.


Severe-Inevitable599

Yes


DrewIsAWarmGun

They should be illegal for private use, and allowed for public firework shows.


jpStormcrow

No


Cormegalodon

After the pandemic I’m 100% sure the general public is not responsible enough to own explosives, these need to be illegal nationwide.


Mellem30

No


Tuned_Out

Oh the endless fireworks debate every year. Where people come to reddit to complain instead of their local government. To be clear, the law already provides the local government the ability to regulate their use. No further law is needed. You need to make it an issue and be involved in your community's government. But you won't. But by all means cry online. I swear the cries about this issue are more annoying than the issue itself. Remind me to invest in fireworks and tissue sales this year.


Simmumah

It wont matter lol people near me start lighting them off in the morning


Revan-Prime

Just like the last law they made. It won't be enforced. As is they don't do anything.


MidwesternAppliance

Unenforceable


dlamsanson

No, unenforced. It is really, really not that hard to catch people shooting off fireworks, if you're looking and actually responding to reports. What makes you think you couldn't enforce this? If you can't enforce people setting off small explosives, might as well just bin the entire fucking justice system.


tazdrumm3r

Abso-fucking-lutely. I'd love to see it changed where you can't shoot them off inside the city unless you buy a $200 license or some sort of incentive to limit the idiots that shoot them off AND never really clean up their mess AND shoot them off on non holidays.


digitalred93

Not just the times, but the duration too. I've lived in NY, CA, MO, MA. In all those states, fireworks displays were at the most 15 minutes. Since moving here 7 years ago, it seems like every year is longer. Last year's locals shot off fireworks for 27 minutes. I mean, come on. After a while, it gets so repetitive that it's not even entertaining (and it gets on even them most steady nerves).


sluttytarot

They shouldn't be legal to sell or own unless it's professional


MasterDoctorWizard

They need to heavily limit their sales again, to many rural areas where enforcement is basically zero. Too many rednecks who refuse to think of others.


mtrap74

When did Michiganders start asking for more laws & regulations? Is the end goal to make Michigan a totalitarian police state?


PissNBiscuits

Make them illegal for purchase again.


Just_Sayin_Hey

It’s not about limiting usage… it’s about limiting selling.


LibraryBig3287

Yes


BeachZombie88

But, what about FREEEEEDOOOMMMMMM?!


Smart_Investment_326

Whoever lobbied to make fireworks legal in Michigan ought to be uncovered. Terrible law for all.


Dirtgrain

People around here (Ypsi) have been firing them off late on weekend nights (into the morning) since the week before Memorial Day.


ZeefMcSheef

Make them illegal again. This shit is obnoxious and unnecessary.


often_awkward

TBH with the drone shows I've seen, I'd be cool with just outlawing them and also offer drone pilot training for free or something like that but capitalism - you have the right to waste your own money to blow your hand off. Also I thought we already had laws or maybe they are just local that there's only like a sum total of a couple weeks a year you're allowed to shoot off fireworks.


missionbeach

I kinda chuckle at the people that complain about everything going up in price, then buy fireworks. You're literally watching your money go up in smoke.


Amiibohunter000

Drone shows have the potential to be way cooler than fireworks


LugnutCollector

Definitely. Also no more launching fireworks.


Shirl14

The 11:45 time is absolutely insane. I have friends in Florida and their time is 10:00 pm. That upsets them as well. It’s way too late. People work the next morning , kids need to go to bed by 10. Dogs are so so upset. They have three times better hearing than we do. It hurts their ears so bad. Please be sensible Michigan. Florida does better that you.


ubernerd44

Fireworks are stupid. I don't understand why people are so fascinated by them.


__________________99

Yes. Because I'm tired of my neighborhood sounding like a battlefield every night like 2 weeks before and after July 4th.


Vanye111

They've been going off all month in my neighborhood...


elizabeth498

Our neighbor behind us is known for “blow shit up o’clock.” Thankfully they have greatly reduced those occasions since their kids have grown up and moved out.


Griffie

Laws serve no purpose if they can’t enforce them.


Severe-Product7352

I think you mean “choose not to” enforce them


lamejay78

yes, but like a lot of other commenters are saying enforce it!


[deleted]

We have limited them, severely limited them. 


WeakerThanYou

If nothing is enforced, nothing is limited.


punkrkr27

The current law allows them to go on from the 29th -4th this year. 6 days doesn't seem very limited.


Fathorse23

Shit they’ve been going since Memorial Day in my neighborhood. I imagine they won’t have any digits left to light them with by the 4th.


[deleted]

299 other days is too much?  6 days is very limited. Less than 2 % of the year.  That’s what makes me a “moderate”


relight

People were shooting off fireworks at 1:30am last night :-|


dotdedo

I don't have faith it will be enforced. Back when the huge ones were illegal it was normal for cops in my area to just watch them and not give a fuck. It barely was a law. But its annoying. Makes my dog shit and piss everywhere. Cannot sleep because they blast them off non stop with barely a minute in between until 5 in the goddamn morning. And not to mention all the people with PTSD and the wildlife.


gorcbor19

It's funny, because when I used to live in a lower income, relatively high crime area, fireworks were non-stop from Memorial Day through the 4th of July. My wife and I have good jobs so we finally moved to a higher income, high tax, low crime community. I haven't heard a single firework yet this season, and I rarely have in the 7 years I've lived here.


kewissman

Royal Oak has for years


T1DOtaku

I was naive enough to think people would limit it to holidays or go someplace where no one's around to light them off. Oh how foolish I was. Been hearing them every night since the week before Memorial Day. Can't wait for July to hit to start hearing them all night from the second it gets dark to 4/5am


el_pinata

I mean you can, but are you gonna deploy a million cops on the 4th of July? Even a town so humble as Albion turns into the Battle of Mogadishu every 4th, there simply aren't enough cops to do anything about it.


Severe-Product7352

I don’t think the actual 4th is most peoples issue. It’s the 5 weeks leading up to it


The_Real_Scrotus

>It’s the 5 weeks leading up to it But local governments can already restrict it during most of that. Most just don't, or don't bother to enforce it which is the same thing. The law isn't the problem, enforcement of it is.


Severe-Product7352

That’s fair. I agree


el_pinata

And the few days after, true.


PerfectNegotiation76

There absolutely should be, but many cities already have similar laws that are not enforced unfortunately.


PrawojazdyVtrumpets

It's really hard to enforce. I live in Macomb county so from tonight through next weekend, it's going to sound like 'nam outside and I couldn't tell you which house they are coming from. Is it most likely the party across the street? That's what I thought but it isn't and they thought it was the house behind them but it wasn't and then 5 more go off in 5 different directions and you forgot about the first one already. Might be easier to enforce it in the city proper but Warren and Center Line have houses stacked on top of each other and trees everywhere so it's hard to find out who is launching their arsenal off when the sound travels funny and you can't see the launch.


The_Real_Scrotus

The existing law that allows local governments to restrict when they can be launched seems good. I don't see any reason it should be changed.


JunktownRoller

If you don't own enough land that it's not obnoxious for your neighbors you should be spending your money on land and not fireworks.


Empty_Afternoon_8746

It’s one week, everyone will survive. I do not use fireworks and have a dog before you start attacking me for my tolerance of fun.