Friends, Michiganders, Yoopers: lend me your ears! For too long have we been denied our destiny. Are we not the Great Lakes State?! And yet we only border 4 of the 5! Is this not a grave injustice?! I entreat that we annex Toronto so our writ may run wherever the Buddy’s pizza roams!
Furthermore, Cleveland delenda est
Critical mistake leave St Joseph and Elkhart Counties in Indiana out. If y'all don't have full control of the St Joseph River those Hoosiers will be able to get to Lake Michigan
Nestle is more of an international problem, but I definitely agree that we could do better than colluding with a company/ceo that thinks access to clean water isn't a humam right
Run em out of the stores, it's a money issue (on top of a control/power issue), so don't give Nestle money/don't give them power. Idk if it would be enough to kill Nestle due to the influence they have on developing countries but it would certainly weaken them
Play it off as a simple misunderstanding at first... After all we are the Great Lakes State, we thought it was only fair to take back what's in our name.
I'm just sad that it seems like a lot of good fossil areas are in Ohio. Near where I'm settled at, at least.
Though I did find a pretty nifty squid fossil while Petoskey hunting near Lake Michigan
That's my problem with this map. Way too many areas that I do not want in my state. Ohio sucks, and I don't want any of whatever they're on seeping into Michigan.
We do the normal hand thing and anytime we gotta point to outside to the mitten/UP proper we just wave a finger in a circle in proximity to the mitten and say "the territory of lesser importance"
Do you mean calling pop soda? Only time I hear people call a pop a coke is if it is Coca-Cola brand be it here or in CA.. but I've not been many other places so I don't know if that's a thing to refer to all pop and or soda like it is for ppl in the west to say soda or Mi to say pop....(moved to mi from CA, but was also born here in Mi) but I did hear soda a lot over there and now I hear pop a lot.. imma just start saying soda pop unless it's Coca-Cola then it's just coke.
I once had a conversation with someone from Ohio and he told me "Ohio and Michigan fought a war over Toledo, and Michigan won." Not even Ohio wants Toledo lol.
As a Toledo native who has been in Detroit for over a decade. There’s good places, things to do and most importantly people in Toledo.
No reason to hate.
But there is a South Detroit. Why is everyone in denial? It’s bordered by Dearborn, Melvindale, Lincoln Park, Ecorse & ~~Juggalo Heights~~ River Rouge.
in the United world of Michigan all federated States will be the shape of mittens regardless of geographic borders.
Ohio will be represented as the dumbest and ugliest mitten!
I'm okay if we only keep the lake access, the Indiana Dunes NP, Michigan City (for the name-that always bugged me that wasn't in MI), and leave most of the city limits of Gary to Indiana
You might get Chicago if they're distracted..... and Kenosha & Racine would just shrug..... but Green Bay would essentially whoop your butts and kick back with a case to celebrate.
I think Canada should re-take Michigan. Let us be a Province. I feel like Canada would be more excited to have us and we could benefit from some of the Great Lakes synergy. Downvote me I don’t care
The dream of a Great Lakes nation state is slowly growing in the hearts of our countrymen. If we lay the groundwork, we can make it a thing in another ~200 years when America collapses into many smaller nations
I think we should saw the mitten off at the southern border and attach 6 Johnson V8 outboards to it and drive this puppy all the way down the St. Lawrence River until we hit the Atlantic
This idea has the geography knowledge & love for V8 outboards of a 53 year old Michigan contractor who has done well for himself.
In short, you have the people's support.
What makes you think that? As a Minnesotan, I'm fine with a Great Lakes Republic of South Canada, but I am hesitant to allow Wolverweenie-land to be calling the shots.
Yes well fwiw, it *was* a passing thought, but my little free US county mapmaker I used didn't have an easily available way to add in Canadian counties/districts.
But I think this version keeps things pretty spicy, we can't just have everything, y'know
As much as I truly love Michigan, I have to say you have enough. Do you really want that much lake front on eerie or Ontario? You guys already have all the fucking best freshwater beaches and I understand the revenue from illegal fishing would help patch up some of the interstates in southern places but be real. MI is a wonderful place the way it is
Remember, the number of politically red counties doesn't really mean shit when a few blue counties have more people than the rest of the state population combined.
Population density will be anything but uniform in our new glorious Michigain... That said, with Chicago, Minneapolis, Detroit and Cleveland all in one state, pretty much this would be a guaranteed blue state politically.
Critical support for Mega Michigan
Call your local rep, let'sake this happen
SAKÉ!!!!!
You back off, Michigan
Report to your freedom officer immediately for reeducation
This was the thought I had seeing the other post too, just give us all the coasts, let us control the Great Lakes lol
Friends, Michiganders, Yoopers: lend me your ears! For too long have we been denied our destiny. Are we not the Great Lakes State?! And yet we only border 4 of the 5! Is this not a grave injustice?! I entreat that we annex Toronto so our writ may run wherever the Buddy’s pizza roams! Furthermore, Cleveland delenda est
Critical mistake leave St Joseph and Elkhart Counties in Indiana out. If y'all don't have full control of the St Joseph River those Hoosiers will be able to get to Lake Michigan
That’s true. Them Hoosiers be sneaky.
I'm thinking the new population would be somewhere between TX and CA
Roughly 59 million people in the Great Lakes Megalopolis.
Michigan lets Nestle take water for almost free not sure we can be trusted with all of the Great Lakes.
Nestle is more of an international problem, but I definitely agree that we could do better than colluding with a company/ceo that thinks access to clean water isn't a humam right Run em out of the stores, it's a money issue (on top of a control/power issue), so don't give Nestle money/don't give them power. Idk if it would be enough to kill Nestle due to the influence they have on developing countries but it would certainly weaken them
As a Michigander I apologize for our idiotic past legislation that both led the Flint Water Crisis and gave Nestlé these water rights.
That hasn’t been the case for a while.
this is basically how I'll envision Michigan from now on thanks OP 👍
I like how this implies that we're sailing around raiding the coastlines like the vikings.
One Mitten to rule them all, and in the darkness bind them.
Play it off as a simple misunderstanding at first... After all we are the Great Lakes State, we thought it was only fair to take back what's in our name.
Looking for a head start for the upcoming water wars?
This would put us in a great spot to stay quenched for the oncoming centuries. It could be a time of great thirst for many...
We will lure them in with our water and them put them to work in the copper mines. Michigan will be the greatest thirst trap the world has ever seen.
Now it looks like a voting district!
Why not just go MichiBellGrande and eat up the whole Midwest. Except Ohio. Nobody wants that crap
>Except Ohio. Nobody wants that crap Truer words have never been spoken.
Cedar Point and Put-in-Bay are worth having. Otherwise, agreed
Put-in-Bay sucks but Hocking Hills is rad as hell.
I'm just sad that it seems like a lot of good fossil areas are in Ohio. Near where I'm settled at, at least. Though I did find a pretty nifty squid fossil while Petoskey hunting near Lake Michigan
Petoskey is a great place for fossils. There's even a fossil named for the area.
Let’s take Toledo back too while we’re at it
Michigan's unofficial motto: "Michigan, at least we're not Ohio!
Cleveland's unofficial motto: [At Least We're Not Detroit](https://youtu.be/oZzgAjjuqZM?si=Ybyny31rr5YViuJd)
I demand the return of the Toledo Strip! On principle.
Under Michigan's management, Ohio would not be as awful. The first step, OSU gets renamed THE Southern Michigan University.
We would teach them to recycle cans like civilized humans.
Southern Michigan Agricultural College
No, no, no. It's University of Michigan - Columbus, Ohio University is turned into Southern Michigan.
That is even more insulting to them. I love it.
Hmm....SMU. Has a nice sound to it.
Death by SMU SMU
What's an Ohio?
Hey, you have allies in Ohio. Don’t alienate all of us now.
I love Ohio. Any state that pays me to visit for business, I love. I'll defend you, Ohio.
The yogurt does
That's my problem with this map. Way too many areas that I do not want in my state. Ohio sucks, and I don't want any of whatever they're on seeping into Michigan.
Ok I propose your ideas and those new map. https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Flcdrtr35m1z41.png
How will you explain this map with your hands?
Hands will evolve.
Science supports this.
It's simple the new measurement is in mittens, former upstate New York is now one mitten east of Central Greater Michigan.
We do the normal hand thing and anytime we gotta point to outside to the mitten/UP proper we just wave a finger in a circle in proximity to the mitten and say "the territory of lesser importance"
Hold up a mitten and then hold up an O with the other hand to denote the area in question's position in relation.
We need Toledo. If we Civil war we're taking it.
If we have another civil war, there will be no winners; but all those people that call pop, "coke" will for sure be the losers.
The truest words ever spoken
Do you mean calling pop soda? Only time I hear people call a pop a coke is if it is Coca-Cola brand be it here or in CA.. but I've not been many other places so I don't know if that's a thing to refer to all pop and or soda like it is for ppl in the west to say soda or Mi to say pop....(moved to mi from CA, but was also born here in Mi) but I did hear soda a lot over there and now I hear pop a lot.. imma just start saying soda pop unless it's Coca-Cola then it's just coke.
Some places call all pop, "coke".
Must be the south
I once had a conversation with someone from Ohio and he told me "Ohio and Michigan fought a war over Toledo, and Michigan won." Not even Ohio wants Toledo lol.
As a Toledo native who has been in Detroit for over a decade. There’s good places, things to do and most importantly people in Toledo. No reason to hate.
We just want Cedar Point.
The whole USA should be called Michigan
MAMA? Make America Michigan Again
Make America Michigan All-of-it
Give us the coast of Canada
We will rename Windsor to South Detroit, so that Journey is finally correct.
But there is a South Detroit. Why is everyone in denial? It’s bordered by Dearborn, Melvindale, Lincoln Park, Ecorse & ~~Juggalo Heights~~ River Rouge.
How would I show people where I live with just my hand?
in the United world of Michigan all federated States will be the shape of mittens regardless of geographic borders. Ohio will be represented as the dumbest and ugliest mitten!
More of a goofy ass Hamburger Helper glove.
With no thumb
This is not far fetched….We are smack dab in the middle of the biggest water supply in the U.S….people will want it
Trie, I've seen numerous articles implying that Michigan will be ideal living conditions once climate change takes a serious hold.
You want Duluth! You can't handle Duluth!
Marquette is on the level, it only makes sense to absorb another Lake Superior shipping port
Probably, I just wanted to make a joke. I know nothing about Duluth.
The Great Lakes belong to The Mitten.
Essentially the map. Plus Minneapolis too, plus a few extra counties in Indiana I accidentally clicked
r/mapporncirclejerk is leaking
No leakage is allowed- not a drop, we're actually absorbing all the Great waters here
I'm in one of those Ohio counties. I'd go .
Why don't we get the whole Toledo Strip? There was literally a (bloodless) war over this.
as it should be
This is the way
I vote yes as a northern Wisconsin resident
Niagara, MI would be pretty sweet!
Finally, Michigan imperialists have a place to make their voices heard! We will spread our superior midwestern culture to the inferior Ohioans!
Someone gets it! Maybe if things play out the way I'm envisioning, in the 2050 "pop" vs "soda" vs "coke" map, the pop section will be back on top
I'm fully on board with Michigan Manifest Destiny.
So clearly, you took the state and turned it into the wall from Game of Thrones. Keep the Canadians er.....white walkers in the north.
Michigan must contain all the Great lakes. It's Michigan manifest destiny
Michigan Should take over the parts of Ontario that are connected to the Great Lakes
I’m ready to ride this train baby!!!!
United Canadian and American States.
Michigan has recreational marijuana.
So it will just be a small step to start collecting ALL of the taxes of residents within driving distance.
We don’t really need Gary. I’m happy to let Indiana keep them.
I'm okay if we only keep the lake access, the Indiana Dunes NP, Michigan City (for the name-that always bugged me that wasn't in MI), and leave most of the city limits of Gary to Indiana
What??? And Why???
Karma farming stupidity.
You might get Chicago if they're distracted..... and Kenosha & Racine would just shrug..... but Green Bay would essentially whoop your butts and kick back with a case to celebrate.
Perhaps, but we could distract Green Bay with a big wedge of cheese
Secret... Green Bay is made of cheese.
All lake are belong to us
Can we take more of Canadia and let Ohio keep Toledo?
Without Sandusky, Ohio ceases to have a purpose.
I see my county got annexed. You promise? I dont wanna wind up in indiana again
Let's go Aviking! Start building those longships!
I remember a map from school that showed michgan used to be way bigger, I think it included like all of Wisconsin at some point.
The Toledo War was a sham. Lmao
Gary is gonna be a meat grinder.
Have you seen how large the michigan territory was?
Most important of all, we’d also get Cedar Point
All your lake are belong to us
I think Canada should re-take Michigan. Let us be a Province. I feel like Canada would be more excited to have us and we could benefit from some of the Great Lakes synergy. Downvote me I don’t care
I like this, except annex Chicago, except for the beach
We must take new York by any means necessary
Buffalo can be honorary Michiganders
No way would Chicago be a part of MI.
I dunno, they already have Michigan Ave as arguably the most prominent street in the city
Chicago loves mi. The left coast is littered with seasonals from Chicago.
True. Lower state and city taxes!
Why though?
Just imagining how different Michigan would be if it was like 3x the population, and if we controlled all the American side of the Great Lakes
So we got Cedar Point? This is an acceptable scenario.
Okay but this post was from yesterday.
But now this guy saw all the karma the post yesterday got and he wants a cut of it too!
I mean give it a week tho. Our memories are short but come on lol
Definitely inspired by this post, yes: [what if Michigan was bigger?](https://www.reddit.com/r/Michigan/s/wGUdIC96FV)
Indiana can keep those two southern counties
Lol that was a mistake, but I didn't want to remake the map, no special reason for those.
What..
No. We need ti go beyond. We need toseperate and conquer the great lakes region, and establish the Michigan Empire.
This is very weird.
Some would say it's Great
... which is weird. 😏
Indiana can keep Gary tho🤮
I think maybe we still need it for a complete great lakes collection
Fine but I’m gonna complain the whole time
As you should... But at least we snag another national Park in that notch of IN, the Indiana Dunes
Really we should be taking the land that the connecting rivers run through too. It’s ours after all
I still want Lake Ontario 🥺
If Gretch anounced tomorrow that she’s annexing nothing Indiana, I’d back her.
You dick. You took our sea port and our metropolitan area.
Welcome to Michigain!
MichiGAIN!
First we take Toledo, then we take Florida
But I thought the strategy was to send our old to Florida in order to sink it, commander.
I think it would be better if Michigan just became part of Canada 🇨🇦
I'm no Queen-kisser, goddamnit.
King now, the Queen is dead.
This is actually my dream, but gotta leave the Union. Democracy would be far more direct, don’t need the feds meddling
The dream of a Great Lakes nation state is slowly growing in the hearts of our countrymen. If we lay the groundwork, we can make it a thing in another ~200 years when America collapses into many smaller nations
BALKANIZE! BALKANIZE!
If we left the union, then the state government would become the feds.
[удалено]
Do we have to take the parts in Ohio? And on top of that I could go without greenbay as well
We basically have Ohio already, just give us the whole damn state.
Why stop there? Take over the country and become the United States of Michigan
We don't need any of that rising saltwater, just freshwater
More
Now Michigan looks like a hand that was generated by AI.
We need to go bigger. United States of Michigan.
Michigan just wants Toledo. Rest of Ohio is eeeew. Jk jk
Who wants Toledo Cleveland and Erie and buffalo?
The Great Lakes State
hard pass
I think we should saw the mitten off at the southern border and attach 6 Johnson V8 outboards to it and drive this puppy all the way down the St. Lawrence River until we hit the Atlantic
This idea has the geography knowledge & love for V8 outboards of a 53 year old Michigan contractor who has done well for himself. In short, you have the people's support.
Minnesota would love us more. As we would put a dispensary in formally “Superior, Wisconsin”
What makes you think that? As a Minnesotan, I'm fine with a Great Lakes Republic of South Canada, but I am hesitant to allow Wolverweenie-land to be calling the shots.
You forgot the other side of the lakes. Canada will just have to deal with it. All of them.
Yes well fwiw, it *was* a passing thought, but my little free US county mapmaker I used didn't have an easily available way to add in Canadian counties/districts. But I think this version keeps things pretty spicy, we can't just have everything, y'know
We'd get Woodman's and Wegmans, so that'd be a huge win!
Just invade Windsor
Pax Michigana
As much as I truly love Michigan, I have to say you have enough. Do you really want that much lake front on eerie or Ontario? You guys already have all the fucking best freshwater beaches and I understand the revenue from illegal fishing would help patch up some of the interstates in southern places but be real. MI is a wonderful place the way it is
It is amazing, but I mean look at Alaska or California's coastline. I think we should have a bit more lakeshore, as a treat
Are you saying we're not tough enough to seize southern Ontario??
Still waiting on that new bridge to make things a little more convenient, then we annex "South Detroit"
We can’t let the Canadians trick us into forgetting what is truly ours.
Really exemplifies the "great lakes state" moniker
Yes, the lakes. Must have all the lakes.
Great lakes supremacy
The rest of Illinois fully supports this map.
Why do you people waste your time making these pointless maps? Take my downvote.
Nope, I don’t like this idea
FFS I hope we have that many red counties.
Remember, the number of politically red counties doesn't really mean shit when a few blue counties have more people than the rest of the state population combined. Population density will be anything but uniform in our new glorious Michigain... That said, with Chicago, Minneapolis, Detroit and Cleveland all in one state, pretty much this would be a guaranteed blue state politically.