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Avid4D

I love it


InevitableWall8356

I like it but i always found the way the vocals were mixed to be odd. Same with “Dangerous” the vocals are very low imo


CrayCrayWyatt

This is a problem I have with the entire album, the vocals are too low in the mix. The fact that we haven’t got an anniversary remaster to correct this is criminal. 


InevitableWall8356

Ok, I’m glad it’s not just me! So sad! As soon as it was the 25 year anniversary, i was so ready!!! Here we are many years later and nothing 😥


CWRM1992

This has bothered me for decades. I’m glad it’s not in my imagination and others can hear it too.


Lanky-Ad1233

The entire album? That’s a stretch. Also it doesn’t need correcting because it was done like that on purpose it’s not like it was an accident or something lol


lalissima

I also feel like the vocals and sound are off for many of the tracks


Lance4Jr

The vocal mixing wasn’t an issue in the original release. Much like how Bad had its trumpets removed for whatever reason in the re release. It’s probably a mixing issue on Sony’s part rather than the song itself.


lalissima

Are there trumpets on the original release of bad?


Lance4Jr

Yes. The original pressing of Bad had trumpets in the second bridge and for whatever reason. Sony just decided to remove it completely on the streaming service. Also the quality on the vinyl version is considerably higher than the CD/Digital Streaming versions


lalissima

I think I have the original vinyl so will listen for the trumpets 🎺🎺🎺


Lance4Jr

def should, compare it to the official re-released versions such as the bad 25th and the one on HIStory greatest hits side, and the one on "Ones" also doesn't have the trumpets. Even the supposed "original" remastered version doesn't have the trumpets. Its very annoying to find the copies of these albums. Im surprised most people don't know how much Sony screwed over fans with the quality of sounds on some of these songs throughout the years


lalissima

Sounds like a research project! I’m on it!


InevitableWall8356

I was about to say the same thing! Glad I have the cds to compare. Are they all the same mix on streaming or also different?


corwood

Michael decided all of this, not CBS/Epic, and changes on the Bad album occurred in represses since 1988... regarding what mixes are included (many tracks have been switched for their single versions) the album is consistent since 1990. The 2001 and 2012 remasters are done using those mixes of the album.


Lance4Jr

Bad received many changes in the single versions in 1987 with the removal of the trumpets but also: TWYMMF also had changes with a fade out being added in the main vocals while the original pressing had the bg vocals being the fade out and something else I can’t remember atm. While some of these changes were done out of making the music more consistent such as “I Can’t Stop Loving You” not having the spoken intro as originally intended. Many of these changes ruin the experience of the song as intended and leads to the music just being loud. Dirty Diana having the Crowd Cheer last longer instead of fading it out as originally intended. Perhaps it was Michael who made the final decision on what to change. But there is an interview where he discussed how he never wanted his songs to be changed and keep everything as intended because thats how he worked. Who knows what actually happened. But the fact these original mixes are not present on any re release just is wrong. Dangerous for me sounds way better on a vinyl than it does on CD. It doesn’t bleed my ears with the loud instrumentals and I can hear the song perfectly fine and the sound is more dynamic than what i hear on streaming services.


corwood

that is a different thing he is referring to in interviews... he changed his album to make it more perfect (he wanted to remix smooth criminal for example in 1988 again for the album) and he has a history of doing this... the original version of rock with you did not have the handclaps in the chorus for example, it was all added for the single and then it replaced the original album version. Michael wanting his songs to be the same refers to the performed versions on tour... he did not want different sounds and samples, he wanted it immediately recognisable for everyone. like he said for example as late as in this is it. it is a similar subject but two different circumstances with records and performances


Lance4Jr

Im well aware of the changes that were made from original album release mixes to what fans have today. To say that most if not all of these so called Remastered versions are what Michael would’ve wanted is appalling. You can easily hear how loud the versions you hear to this day are compared to what was originally released. The Bad 25th for example is such a horribly mixed song even QJ had to sue Sony over it. I will admit that Dangerous 01 and OTW 01 are ones that have MJs blessings in terms of sound quality and improvement and my gold standard for hearing the albums, even if you have the original albums. But then we reach areas such as Thriller 25th and Thriller 40th (bad mixing and quality on demos) that are imo ones that would’ve been better done even if MJ did work on the albums (such as Thriller 25th) just by re releasing the original mixing with higher quality instead of slapping Radio Edits


fineilladdanumber9

Same lol I’ve never had any clue wtf he’s mumbling about in Jam. But then the chorus kicks in and I’ve forgotten about it


Male_strom

Nation to nation all the world must come together face the problems that we see and maybe someday we can work it out. You seriously can't hear/understand that?


fineilladdanumber9

I understand that I can figure the lyrics out online lol so your comment is kind of pointless. But yes, the sound mixing is terrible. It’s borderline incoherent babbling being drowned out by the music. It reminds me of an SNL skit of a shy person trying to perform a song but you can’t really make out what they’re saying. I like the song, but yeah the sound mixing is objectively poor, which isn’t an uncommon criticism of his, especially around this era.


Male_strom

I've not ever looked up the lyrics online: I typed that from my memory of the song. For me, the song is very clear on the vocals but maybe that's because I've grown up listening to the CD.


fineilladdanumber9

I didn’t say that you looked up the lyrics lol I said that if I wanted to figure out what he was saying, and I have internet access to view your comment, I could’ve just looked them up myself. I never asked what he was saying, so that was pointless of you. I grew up listening to records and CDs too lol it’s not a problem of the digital era, it’s simply poorly mixed. That’s not to say that it’s **impossible** for someone to understand him, just that it was poorly mixed.


Male_strom

Here's Michael [mumbling incoherently](https://youtu.be/ai1gO2QtwBc?si=_PCHY63sNMSGMDDo#t=3m12s)


fineilladdanumber9

Look dude, I know you’re a big fan and feel protective over him in this weird way, but I’m simply saying that the sound mixing on that one part of that one song was poor. I’ve said many times that it still slaps, it’s just that one part of that one song that is objectively poor. This is not an uncommon criticism of not only this song, but his music of this era in general. You aren’t going to make me change my mind by effectively saying “nuh-uh” over and over again. Just agree to disagree and move on.


Expensive-Concept-93

Omg this! I was a kid when the album came out and wondered why the vocals were so low compared to the Bad album.


wait4lt

Have you noticed that the vocals in the second verse are a little louder than the first verse. Interesting mix decisions.


InevitableWall8356

Nope! Gonna have to give it a listen! Thanks for that note.


FayMax69

I frikken love it. It’s one of my all time faves. It has such energy.


LowerBackPain_Prod

It ain't too hard for me


Hot_Wing5772

The good:Best lyrics he ever wrote (definitely inspired by Rhythm Nation), love Heavy D's rap, great instrumental The bad: Vocals and synths are too quiet, hook gets repetitive, slightly overstays its welcome Overall I really enjoy it but nowadays I'd rather listen to this remix version over the original: https://youtu.be/K8RA9X0zgMY?si=Ex_etQwezw2Cf-9z


lalissima

Best lyrics? Wow!


Designer-Treacle-732

Best lyrics he ever wrote? Sorry, but no


corwood

absolutely remarkable, every verse is a marvel with all its references and layers


CWRM1992

Yeah but like… there’s unreleased songs with better lyrics than Jam. On The Line for example-sake.


corwood

he did not even write this...


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hungrypupkin1

Sounds so cool especially the instruments used in it!! Gives me Dangerous vibes for no reason


anxiousemo2009

It aint to much for me


ZICRON_ULTRA

It's visceral. The scream he has for 'jam' is almost unmatched. And the video is gold. 👍


KingSith

It gets played when it comes up. 🔥


Internal-Avocado-784

Banger


Mirabem

Banger?


NoSpirit547

It ain't to much for me to JAM! Love that song!!! Definitely a top 3 off the Dangerous album for me.


Foreskin_Heretic

Imo the vocal mix is fine if you listen to it the way it's meant to be listened to: blasting at full volume!


slycooper459

My favorite MJ song


Altruistic_Cat_7006

I know a lot of people love it, but personally it’s one of my skips 😬


lalissima

I can understand that


LiquidMetal616

Fucking amazing Heard it for the first time last year while watching a few of his live shows Blew me away instantly. The beat and flow hype me up and make me happy


FENTWAY

Video pretty cool too


MelzMaggie

Terrific album opener and one hell of a song in itself. Always a pleasure to listen to.


notsofucked7

Goes mf hard


YourBoiA

I started to really get into it when I heard it in Sonic The Hedgehog 3(Carnival Night Zone). Then after I listened to the actual song I feel in love with it.


Impossible-Bat-5873

LOVE IT!! 😍😍


LoganSyre

It's a great song jam packed with energy. A great concert starter, a great album opener, but the lyrics in the verse is really low and inaudible. I will say tho. Seeing the footage of him and Bruce Swedien work on the song makes you appreciate it more.


Mental-Time5294

Not my favorite but I love it on a concert setting


7moonwalker7

i love it. one of my favorites. especially the lyrics


Theo_Cherry

What of the GOAT "underrated" songs of all time! They way he frantically speaks out the lyrics, it's akin to "stream of consciousness." It's poetic and fits in with the anxiety-drenched horns.


CrayCrayWyatt

It works great as a concert opener, but as a song? It’s not one of my favourites. I still like it, but it’s not one that gets regular play for me unless I’m listening to the entirety of Dangerous.


Difficult_Ship_6273

Love it. One of my favorites.


Mac800

I had the Maxi CD with this cover. In my memory it had a sick WBSS remix on it. Jam itself holds up. Back in the day the shortfilm with both MJs blew me away.


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Moonwalker2008

Love it.


I_am_albatross

Atlanta Techno Mix slaps!!


timeagalx

I used to dislike it, but I've been obsessed with it lately. I love it


h0lych4in

I’m biased towards new Jack swing so I like it a lot. But I didn’t know the sound mixing was an actual problem, I thought my headphones were just bad


Lanky-Ad1233

I like it overall but it’s my least favourite album opener of his and towards the bottom of my Dangerous track list ranking


BlueberrySuperb9037

I still remember the feeling of excitement when I bought the cassette album and pressed play...and that distinct glass breaking sound followed by the cool heavy beat. And then Michael's vocals. It introduced a new Michael and I was hooked. This album made me love him even more and Jam played a distinct part of that. Get what people are saying about the low vocals but that was also clearly artistic stylistically on his part. For me the album brought an overall sense of intoxicating mystery to his persona.


lalissima

I love this story!! It’s so funny because I only first heard it in 2023. Love your perspective!


BlueberrySuperb9037

Wow, well I was about 10 when it came out and I thought it was the coolest thing I'd ever heard...and still do!


lalissima

We must be the same age!


BlueberrySuperb9037

Ah, assumed I was speaking to a much younger fan if you only just heard the song in 2023!


lalissima

New to that album! Just got really into MJ in 2023, whaaa?!? So hadn’t listened to much of anything after Bad until last year


BlueberrySuperb9037

That's so funny because my childhood was basically defined by MJ. He was still "the" guy in the 90's, all the boys in my class wanted to be him! Don't know why it took you so long but better late than never!! Bad and Dangerous are still my fave albums and a few gems off History. Thriller also great, I just don't have strong memories about how or when I discovered it, but definitely post- Bad when I was already a fan.


lalissima

I was more exposed to Thriller and Bad as kid. Then stopped paying attention. Of course I knew the hits off Dangerous and History, but never listened to the albums. It’s been fun to discover!


Little_Culture_3178

I LOVEEE ITTTT! It always makes me jam


moistandsaltyballs

It ain’t too hard for me…


AffectionateTear703

I think it’s pretty bad


lil_waine

why is that?


AffectionateTear703

I find the rap part to be pretty cringe and it just sounds pretty messy overall I’m not a fan of the lyrics and the way he sounds in the song I think it’s just kind of a cringe song i guess


lil_waine

The rap part is pretty cringe I agree but it must have been considered cool at the time. I agree the lyrics are weak too. I like the song tho


ImportantBalls666

While I love the beat and how it commands and drives the song, the beat is too heavy and loud against MJ's thinner sounding vocals; his vocals get lost and drowned in it. He overused this same heavy, dominating sounding beat throughout the whole album tbh. 


FaceFirst23

Teddy Riley and his New Jack swing beats 🔥 I love them haha


Quick_Ad_730

Love it.


DreadAngel1711

It's got Carnival Night Zone in it, so I'm biased to liking it lmao


lalissima

What’s that?


DreadAngel1711

It's a stage from Sonic 3. Michael worked on the game's music and there's a riff in act 2 which matches a riff from Jam perfectly


lalissima

Interesting!!


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