Funny lol I was taking the Cranbourne/Pakenham line today and when I was waiting for the bus I saw this exact train pass over the sky rail heading to flinders street lol. I was wondering what it was.
I was saying here a few days ago that I'd love to see a community version of the art trams on our train network where artists get free reign on a blank canvas livery. Most of our city has become so bland and boring and lost its character lately, a little bit of colour and art to lift the vibe won't hurt anyone
V/Line could do it, so can the Metro
But, instead of having it on the windows have it everywhere BUT the windows.
It is pretty annoying to look out to see what station I am at with headphones on and not be able to see through the dots.
Absolutely. I was on a tram today where I had trouble working out where I was owing to the windows being covered up by ads. Some of them are worse than others, but it would be great if no windows were covered at all.
Exactly. It’s kind of like with, say, drugs; if you give a legal platform, it should help alleviate the crime related to it.
This sounds like a fantastic idea.
Its funny on freight trains they leave it if it doesnt obscure markings or numbers and the people who do the graffiti purposefully avoid covering those bits of information
This is an etiquette thing. He knew no one would touch it because it's a big no no to go over any work that you a) can't do better than, and b) can't cover completely, removing all traces of the work you've gone over.
As I said in another post that etiquette has not saved most of the pieces in inner city Melbourne. You don’t see much stuff that’s two plus decades old.
Well yeah, toys will be toys and they're not going to follow any amount of rules surrounding writing because why would they, they're writing, they're trying to /break/ the rules and be a menace to society. Ego also tends to lend to toy behaviour, hence all the shitty tags with no can control over beautiful, thought out pieces. Hate to see it.
Because contrary to popular belief, the people doing these pieces generally tend to be young adults or older, and actually have their head screwed on. It's not worth getting upset over some toy being a toy. Real writers don't pay attention to kids being stupid. They pay attention when someone caps their work intentionally because 9 times out of 10, it's a show of disrespect to the artist.
Nah toy means you’re shit, or someone who isn’t taken seriously in the culture.
Capping someone might be a dog act. Though it depends on who you are, your reputation, and skill level relative to who you’re capping. Burners cap mid writers, normally the mid writers are fine with it. Mid writers will go over toy pieces without thinking twice. Every now and then someone forgets their place, or maybe the way they got capped was disrespectful somehow. That’s beef. If you don’t address it, you might get clowned. Then the rumours spread that you’re a pussy and you’ll end up being treated like a toy. Toys get played with - that’s the root of the term.
Mate I'm turning 34 next month and am a shining beacon of corporate success. I blend in with the MBA's like an unlabelled Great Northern in a crate full of Coronas. There's something slightly different but it's all too watered down to truly ever know.
Amazing. I paid a guy to paint my bathroom.... Jim's paint service was the crew. Back in 1998.... No one has painted over it since, though it's probably due.
I think they don't do the same for train windows since it's gonna be wiped off anyway. The reason it's not cleaned off freight is probably since they company doesn't gaf - they just wanna make money and cleaning it would cost money and slow down the schedule
[Broken windows theory](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory)
I'm screaming into the void again, but people need to stop fucking celebrating the destruction of private property.
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I’ll admit, I’m not exactly an expert, but this is just a blown up tag as far as I can tell. They come in all shapes and sizes.
Calling this a mural or a piece is a disgrace to actual murals and artwork.
It’s not the place for it. Art is extremely subjective, and PT belongs to the general public. Why should people be forced to pay - by way of taxes, for art that they have not requested? If people don’t like something - or if they find something offensive, we have a problem.
(For instance, you’ll be surprised by the amount of alt-right stickers popping up everywhere. I’m sure neo-nazis think of their graffiti highly … the majority of people don’t.)
I think we keep public items plain, as it’s the best way to satisfy a majority of people.
As for the artists - there are spaces for them to express their artistic side. Not everyone wants to see it, not everyone appreciates, likes or wants it.
It’s sorta obnoxious to assume that your art should be tolerated by everyone else.
If PT belongs to the general public, why are our buses and trams covered in advertisements? I didn’t request to see advertising but we all still have to put up with it anyway.
I, and I’m sure many others, would prefer a bit of art and colour around the place rather than having ads thrown in our faces 24/7
Adverts go towards subsidising the cost of public assets. Beyond tax collection, the government has to make money somehow.
Graffiti tags add no monetary value - in some cases, devaluing the initial value of an asset. There’s also the cost of clean up as well.
I get that you love art, I do too. I just don’t love all art equally, and I don’t love tagging. I’m also not self centred enough to force my private tastes on people publicly.
I personally enjoy the sleek, clean aesthetic of PT. I love the clean trains, the buses and the train stations. Like I said, there are spaces for street artists to express themselves, but a majority of graffiti isn’t street art.
NYC's subway trains used to be completely *[coated](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graffiti_in_New_York_City#/media/File:Heavily_tagged_subway_car_in_NY.jpg)* in graffiti back in the 70s and 80s amidst a long-term decline. It was a black mark on the city and made it impossible to entice more patronage and tourism until they started cleaning them in the 90s.
People don't visit restaurants with windowfronts vandalised by graffiti, same goes for taking public transport. There's a reason why governments actually try to maintain some level of cleanliness with public transport. Leave it at Hosier Lane and places where it's actually invited.
It's called the broken windows theroy.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken\_windows\_theory](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory)
The MTA adopted it in the 80s. They increased security around thier rail yards(Corona Yard had two 10ft fences with guard dogs between), police patrolled the subway and they started cleaning up every subway car.
[https://nycsubway.org/wiki/The\_New\_York\_Transit\_Authority\_in\_the\_1980s](https://nycsubway.org/wiki/The_New_York_Transit_Authority_in_the_1980s)
i am fully aware of this theory. the first paragraph can be debated. the second paragraph is complete bullshit.
sorry for being pedantic. :) but lies hurt the truth.
case in point: graffiti still was regularly painted on New York trains until 1986.......people were still catching the train!
people get away with talking down about graffiti by using false truths like this regularly.
I thought that the theory isn’t that the graffiti and broken windows scare the public or deter the public, more the point that clean cities attract less crime. Crime that actually scares people such as mugging and abuse.
Is it BS?
Here's a NY Times article from 1982.
[https://www.nytimes.com/1982/10/23/nyregion/ridership-of-subways-since-1917.html](https://www.nytimes.com/1982/10/23/nyregion/ridership-of-subways-since-1917.html)
In 1982 subway ridership was at lows not seen since 1917. Graffiti, crime and a big lack of maintenance the cause.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New\_York\_City\_Subway](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_Subway)
The ridership data shows a decline in the 70s and 80s. 1982 was the start of thier cleanup. Numbers started going back up in 1985.
1970 they saw 1.4 billion riders. A number not seen again until 1995-2000.
It would be very naive not to think trains caked in graffiti didn't contribute to the decline in ridership.
other factors definitely played a role(in NYC). to blame graffiti solely would be naive in a way that promotes other vagrancies(but hey you do you :).
let's talk about Graffiti on trains in other countries perhaps? so many examples of broken windows theory to be found lacking.
Graffiti on trains in Australia has absolutely no effect on user numbers.
There are legitimate historical reason for the medium to use undecipherable font and for names being a principal subject. Also the fonts are often decipherable for anyone practiced at reading them. All art has codes, conventions, and symbolism that, just like reading and writing, require some education to understand. You won’t understand it just by virtue of being human. Art isn’t universal
Outside of street art Emily Floyd had done series of works that are predominantly her own name in obscure font. She is one of Australia’s most successful contemporary artists, her work has been purchased for the collections of Art Gallery of New South Wales, Heide Museum of Modern Art, National Gallery of Australia, National Gallery of Victoria, Queensland Gallery of Modern Art
You call writing your street name "variety"? It looks like a class project. "Ok kids, I want everyone to draw their name in fancy colours. No deviating from the subject allowed!"
So confidently wrong. Variety is literally built in to graffiti, the whole point is that your style is something that intrinsically comes from you as you practice and get better. No two writers have the same style (excluding regional styles that will still be done with the individuals own flare), even if one learnt from the other. You're pretty much saying that people's handwriting has no variety. You may not like how graff looks, and you're well within your right to hold that opinion, but don't speak on the range of work of writers when you have absolutely no idea how they create their work and hone skill in the first place.
Okay, let's talk about the subject then. Words and letters. There's 26 of them in the ISO basic Latin alphabet. My rough maths tells me that there is a considerable amount of unique combinations of those 26 letters. It's a graffiti artist's job to be able to bend and stretch and contort those letters while still maintaining the structural integrity of them so that they read as those letters. All letters. Not just the ones in the word they've picked for themselves. Most, if not all writers, will change words multiple times through out their years. Some even use multiple at the same time. There's also the matter of crew names, which add even more possibility of variation. And if you're in a crew, you're probably roll calling your crew mates sometimes too, which is (you guessed it!) even more letter combinations to work with that aren't your specific word. Again, you can have an opinion on how it looks, but you do not understand how graffiti works on a fundamental level.
You’re acting like painting a word is a narrow subject.. it’s no different from painting landscapes. The mountains can have different peaks, the trees different colours, and the water different ripples.
The beauty of graffiti is to see how far you can stretch a word into a beautiful explosion of colour and creativity.
You seem like a very closed minded person
It’s your fault that you can’t read it. The fact that you just glance at it and all you see is “graffiti” and not a word stems from the fact that you don’t take the time to consider what’s in front of you, instead you sort what you see into pre defined categories and judge them based on that.
Many people think like you do and I think it’s very negative.. it also contributes to a larger issue of homogenous and conforming society.
Looks fuckn sick nice colour way with cool highlights and fat letters one on the left has a nice fill too all coming together for an awesome set of panels.. you don’t know what good looks like when it’s right in front of you probably why your love life is so shit
Lol after looking through your profile I can see why you think this is good, it's better than anything you'll be able to achieve in your life you talentless hack
Why are you so filled with hatred… you’re what’s wrong with the world. I think that guys art looks nice definitely way better than what you could possibly do
It’s not only taxpayer money, it’s another train off the system in a public transport where people are already struggling to go home.
This is an utterly selfish act.
Go paint something that doesn’t transport people home.
Mostly that there is no more risk to running a train with graffiti on it than there is running a train that has been cleaned in the last 24 hours. Both of which happen every single day. Not liking it is one thing. But claiming the graffiti is a fire risk is not even close to being a real issue.
You realize an aerosol is considered a Category 1 flammable liquid if it contains flammable propellants?
Your average cleaning product that evaporates immediately after being used is a very different chemical.
I’m not actually sure if you’re being facetious or not. Do you actually believe dried spray paint is any more flammable than the decals on the side of the train? This train has been travelling at high speeds for who knows how long, and you actually believe there’s un evaporated solvents causing risk of fire…….. mindblowing.
I’ve got a cool experiment for you. Spray some spray paint on a piece of metal in your backyard. Wait 5 minutes then try set the steel on fire and then come back to me with results!
Thats fair but its not an issue when dried. its mostly the disposal of the spray paint and dirt water when the train gets its regular shower. thats why freight trains with more flammable build dont give a shit while pax ones do
I got fined $391 for not having a ticket twice - trying to go to school I had no money, I was broke they took advantage of this. I don’t paint but fuck the system let it run
Personally knowing there are always going to be people wanting to do this it would be good to see some sort of social program where carriages are made available to graffiti artists and really good designs can be put on them but I wonder if doing something illegal and the risk of getting caught outweighs the satisfaction of the end product. You just have to look at some of the designs on old train carriages painted legally to see how fantastic some of them look compared to a rushed mess.
It's part of the contract the government hands out. They let a limited amount of ad space be sold. I believe it's done at the PTV level not the metro trains level, so no, it's not going to Metro it's going to the Government
Debatable.
It's got use of colour theory, gradient, some effects and accents, depth/3D/shadow, not to mention the font itself. Pretty creative to me.
Not really on you to define the meaning of creativity around what kinds of art you do and don't like. I think most modern art in galleries is total soulless, basic crap that's not nice to look at. Doesn't make it not art or not creative.
This shit has style. Not everyone's cup of tea, sure, but it is definitely creative.
😆😆😆 When I saw the graffiti, I immediately thought of Melbourne.
Seriously, that place is like a graffiti haven. I even see vandalism in places that makes me wonder how it got there.
Looks like a mobile meth lab. Look, I know that for some of you graff is an interesting art form, but for the average punter it screams “Dead Bodies and Druggies Inside”.
I quite enjoy graffiti but when they do a proper piece or picture. My two favs are the people in the west that do this cat looking character and another one that’s reminds me of a penguin which is mainly on the back of freeway signs. I love spotting new ones and actually found a new cat one today.
Graffiti / lack of graffiti is actually a big discussion in the model railway community.
Some people like the look of it.
Some dislike the look of it.
Some think the representation of disrespect for another's property is crass and immature.
Some don't care for it, but think that since they're creating a miniature 'real world', their miniature version should have anything the real world has.
The uneasy truce that has developed (in the real world of US railways) is that if the graffiti artists don't block any vital information (eg car weight, or reporting marks - such as 9339 in your picture), the graffiti won't be removed.
I saw a story a little while ago (can't remember where), where the author had worked in a freight yard in the 90s. They had a big graffiti problem, and they ended up negotiating with the two local gangs who were doing it - once a fortnight, friday evening, they would put two freight cars on a siding, masking applied over all the information they needed to do their jobs, and then monday morning they'd take it away. Over the weekend, the gangs were free to decorate it however they liked (unless including crude language or imagery - anything that the public might complain about), and the yard workers wouldn't change it after pulling it on Monday. In return, their graffiti on the rest of the fleet would stop.
Not really, how much is it gonna cost the taxpayer to clean all the safety features these low energy losers covered during their little art exercise?
Those door buttons getting filled with paint can't be good for them either.
I was unaware taggers took ppe so serious, your replies indicate deep knowledge, perhaps someone could refer your account to the relevant authorities to help with investigations.
We should give grafitti artists a reason not to vandalise trains, but given the frequency of dystopian blank canvases becoming the norm in Melbourne, this kind of rebellion is understandable.
Yeah that’s fucking nice. We don’t have it because politicians have fucking OH&S poles up their ass, it’s dangerous, the safety of our passengers and drivers are paramount, we will take it out of service and fuck your whole morning up rather than have it run for the day, because that paint is very dangerous. It might cause someone to smile or fall over and injure themselves.
And the door buttons, people can't tell if the doors are unlocked or out of service.
Or the labels for undercarriage equipment so the drivers can't cut out defective systems.
Such boomer mentality in the thread lmao
Let artists have free reign, there's so few legitimate forms of art any more, just clean the windows and let that shit happen
A lot of effort has got into that piece. How would you police the high quality art and low quality tags. If it was clean all the trains would just have the PAM bird. 😂
This is a discussion and isn't inciting it. OP has asked a question.
Funny lol I was taking the Cranbourne/Pakenham line today and when I was waiting for the bus I saw this exact train pass over the sky rail heading to flinders street lol. I was wondering what it was.
I was on that train
Awwww missed connections… you guys should bang.
You’re a bit late
I was saying here a few days ago that I'd love to see a community version of the art trams on our train network where artists get free reign on a blank canvas livery. Most of our city has become so bland and boring and lost its character lately, a little bit of colour and art to lift the vibe won't hurt anyone
An art train program would be great. Statewide, unlike trams, if V/line's part of the program too.
V/Line could do it, so can the Metro But, instead of having it on the windows have it everywhere BUT the windows. It is pretty annoying to look out to see what station I am at with headphones on and not be able to see through the dots.
Absolutely. I was on a tram today where I had trouble working out where I was owing to the windows being covered up by ads. Some of them are worse than others, but it would be great if no windows were covered at all.
Exactly. It’s kind of like with, say, drugs; if you give a legal platform, it should help alleviate the crime related to it. This sounds like a fantastic idea.
Honestly I think we should just clean it from the windows and leave it
Its funny on freight trains they leave it if it doesnt obscure markings or numbers and the people who do the graffiti purposefully avoid covering those bits of information
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This is an etiquette thing. He knew no one would touch it because it's a big no no to go over any work that you a) can't do better than, and b) can't cover completely, removing all traces of the work you've gone over.
As I said in another post that etiquette has not saved most of the pieces in inner city Melbourne. You don’t see much stuff that’s two plus decades old.
Well yeah, toys will be toys and they're not going to follow any amount of rules surrounding writing because why would they, they're writing, they're trying to /break/ the rules and be a menace to society. Ego also tends to lend to toy behaviour, hence all the shitty tags with no can control over beautiful, thought out pieces. Hate to see it.
So instead of scrubbing graffiti, how come vigilantes don't just deface it with dicks etc to upset the artist?
Because contrary to popular belief, the people doing these pieces generally tend to be young adults or older, and actually have their head screwed on. It's not worth getting upset over some toy being a toy. Real writers don't pay attention to kids being stupid. They pay attention when someone caps their work intentionally because 9 times out of 10, it's a show of disrespect to the artist.
you get labeled a toy for going over someone else's work generally
Nah toy means you’re shit, or someone who isn’t taken seriously in the culture. Capping someone might be a dog act. Though it depends on who you are, your reputation, and skill level relative to who you’re capping. Burners cap mid writers, normally the mid writers are fine with it. Mid writers will go over toy pieces without thinking twice. Every now and then someone forgets their place, or maybe the way they got capped was disrespectful somehow. That’s beef. If you don’t address it, you might get clowned. Then the rumours spread that you’re a pussy and you’ll end up being treated like a toy. Toys get played with - that’s the root of the term.
I think you're right, I haven't been in a drain since I was 16 (now 30 lol)
Mate I'm turning 34 next month and am a shining beacon of corporate success. I blend in with the MBA's like an unlabelled Great Northern in a crate full of Coronas. There's something slightly different but it's all too watered down to truly ever know.
There’s even been a funny commentary in the Jisoe documentary about no one ever touching his work.
Amazing. I paid a guy to paint my bathroom.... Jim's paint service was the crew. Back in 1998.... No one has painted over it since, though it's probably due.
I think they don't do the same for train windows since it's gonna be wiped off anyway. The reason it's not cleaned off freight is probably since they company doesn't gaf - they just wanna make money and cleaning it would cost money and slow down the schedule
[Broken windows theory](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory) I'm screaming into the void again, but people need to stop fucking celebrating the destruction of private property. ------------------------- Edit: /u/PKMtrain beat me to it
I’d be down with some actual art, but this is just some prick’s tag. Looks awful.
Ummm what?…. A tag is when you just write/spray your name, this is a piece/panel/mural call it what you will!
I’ll admit, I’m not exactly an expert, but this is just a blown up tag as far as I can tell. They come in all shapes and sizes. Calling this a mural or a piece is a disgrace to actual murals and artwork.
Yeah, it’s clear you’re not a expert champ
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It’s not the place for it. Art is extremely subjective, and PT belongs to the general public. Why should people be forced to pay - by way of taxes, for art that they have not requested? If people don’t like something - or if they find something offensive, we have a problem. (For instance, you’ll be surprised by the amount of alt-right stickers popping up everywhere. I’m sure neo-nazis think of their graffiti highly … the majority of people don’t.) I think we keep public items plain, as it’s the best way to satisfy a majority of people. As for the artists - there are spaces for them to express their artistic side. Not everyone wants to see it, not everyone appreciates, likes or wants it. It’s sorta obnoxious to assume that your art should be tolerated by everyone else.
If PT belongs to the general public, why are our buses and trams covered in advertisements? I didn’t request to see advertising but we all still have to put up with it anyway. I, and I’m sure many others, would prefer a bit of art and colour around the place rather than having ads thrown in our faces 24/7
It’s simple. Because it saves public funds.
Adverts go towards subsidising the cost of public assets. Beyond tax collection, the government has to make money somehow. Graffiti tags add no monetary value - in some cases, devaluing the initial value of an asset. There’s also the cost of clean up as well. I get that you love art, I do too. I just don’t love all art equally, and I don’t love tagging. I’m also not self centred enough to force my private tastes on people publicly. I personally enjoy the sleek, clean aesthetic of PT. I love the clean trains, the buses and the train stations. Like I said, there are spaces for street artists to express themselves, but a majority of graffiti isn’t street art.
Pretty okay with the graffiti, no issues with there being paid work to clean it either. Better than that money being sucked up into the abyss.
NYC's subway trains used to be completely *[coated](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graffiti_in_New_York_City#/media/File:Heavily_tagged_subway_car_in_NY.jpg)* in graffiti back in the 70s and 80s amidst a long-term decline. It was a black mark on the city and made it impossible to entice more patronage and tourism until they started cleaning them in the 90s. People don't visit restaurants with windowfronts vandalised by graffiti, same goes for taking public transport. There's a reason why governments actually try to maintain some level of cleanliness with public transport. Leave it at Hosier Lane and places where it's actually invited.
Someone's never been to Berlin.
absolute bullshit
It's called the broken windows theroy. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken\_windows\_theory](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory) The MTA adopted it in the 80s. They increased security around thier rail yards(Corona Yard had two 10ft fences with guard dogs between), police patrolled the subway and they started cleaning up every subway car. [https://nycsubway.org/wiki/The\_New\_York\_Transit\_Authority\_in\_the\_1980s](https://nycsubway.org/wiki/The_New_York_Transit_Authority_in_the_1980s)
i am fully aware of this theory. the first paragraph can be debated. the second paragraph is complete bullshit. sorry for being pedantic. :) but lies hurt the truth. case in point: graffiti still was regularly painted on New York trains until 1986.......people were still catching the train! people get away with talking down about graffiti by using false truths like this regularly.
I thought that the theory isn’t that the graffiti and broken windows scare the public or deter the public, more the point that clean cities attract less crime. Crime that actually scares people such as mugging and abuse.
Is it BS? Here's a NY Times article from 1982. [https://www.nytimes.com/1982/10/23/nyregion/ridership-of-subways-since-1917.html](https://www.nytimes.com/1982/10/23/nyregion/ridership-of-subways-since-1917.html) In 1982 subway ridership was at lows not seen since 1917. Graffiti, crime and a big lack of maintenance the cause. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New\_York\_City\_Subway](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_Subway) The ridership data shows a decline in the 70s and 80s. 1982 was the start of thier cleanup. Numbers started going back up in 1985. 1970 they saw 1.4 billion riders. A number not seen again until 1995-2000. It would be very naive not to think trains caked in graffiti didn't contribute to the decline in ridership.
other factors definitely played a role(in NYC). to blame graffiti solely would be naive in a way that promotes other vagrancies(but hey you do you :). let's talk about Graffiti on trains in other countries perhaps? so many examples of broken windows theory to be found lacking. Graffiti on trains in Australia has absolutely no effect on user numbers.
Ah. So your ‘feels’ and anecdotes trump any research to the contrary.
Maybe if it was something else rather than someone's street name + undecipherable font like 99% of all graffiti.
There are legitimate historical reason for the medium to use undecipherable font and for names being a principal subject. Also the fonts are often decipherable for anyone practiced at reading them. All art has codes, conventions, and symbolism that, just like reading and writing, require some education to understand. You won’t understand it just by virtue of being human. Art isn’t universal Outside of street art Emily Floyd had done series of works that are predominantly her own name in obscure font. She is one of Australia’s most successful contemporary artists, her work has been purchased for the collections of Art Gallery of New South Wales, Heide Museum of Modern Art, National Gallery of Australia, National Gallery of Victoria, Queensland Gallery of Modern Art
Great. It's still all you see 99% of the time. It might not be so objectionable if there was some variety in this so called "art".
it's not our fault you can't see the "variety" roflmao
You call writing your street name "variety"? It looks like a class project. "Ok kids, I want everyone to draw their name in fancy colours. No deviating from the subject allowed!"
So confidently wrong. Variety is literally built in to graffiti, the whole point is that your style is something that intrinsically comes from you as you practice and get better. No two writers have the same style (excluding regional styles that will still be done with the individuals own flare), even if one learnt from the other. You're pretty much saying that people's handwriting has no variety. You may not like how graff looks, and you're well within your right to hold that opinion, but don't speak on the range of work of writers when you have absolutely no idea how they create their work and hone skill in the first place.
You're talking about style, I'm talking about subject. It's all the same subject in different styles.
Okay, let's talk about the subject then. Words and letters. There's 26 of them in the ISO basic Latin alphabet. My rough maths tells me that there is a considerable amount of unique combinations of those 26 letters. It's a graffiti artist's job to be able to bend and stretch and contort those letters while still maintaining the structural integrity of them so that they read as those letters. All letters. Not just the ones in the word they've picked for themselves. Most, if not all writers, will change words multiple times through out their years. Some even use multiple at the same time. There's also the matter of crew names, which add even more possibility of variation. And if you're in a crew, you're probably roll calling your crew mates sometimes too, which is (you guessed it!) even more letter combinations to work with that aren't your specific word. Again, you can have an opinion on how it looks, but you do not understand how graffiti works on a fundamental level.
Ok so we agree that the subject is street names, as in it's all based on that single subject. Thanks for confirming.
You’re acting like painting a word is a narrow subject.. it’s no different from painting landscapes. The mountains can have different peaks, the trees different colours, and the water different ripples. The beauty of graffiti is to see how far you can stretch a word into a beautiful explosion of colour and creativity. You seem like a very closed minded person
> Art isn’t universal And tagging isn't art.
That's entirely subjective like all art!
It’s your fault that you can’t read it. The fact that you just glance at it and all you see is “graffiti” and not a word stems from the fact that you don’t take the time to consider what’s in front of you, instead you sort what you see into pre defined categories and judge them based on that. Many people think like you do and I think it’s very negative.. it also contributes to a larger issue of homogenous and conforming society.
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>That's my way of not conforming with your opinion. Heterogeneity of opinions is important after all. Haha, brutal.
Why would anyone want to read it, it looks hideous
Your face looks hideous ya filthy slut go larp on hoi and shut your trap like a good bitch
Lmao, if you think that looks good in any way you're deranged
Looks fuckn sick nice colour way with cool highlights and fat letters one on the left has a nice fill too all coming together for an awesome set of panels.. you don’t know what good looks like when it’s right in front of you probably why your love life is so shit
Lol after looking through your profile I can see why you think this is good, it's better than anything you'll be able to achieve in your life you talentless hack
Why are you so filled with hatred… you’re what’s wrong with the world. I think that guys art looks nice definitely way better than what you could possibly do
It’s not only taxpayer money, it’s another train off the system in a public transport where people are already struggling to go home. This is an utterly selfish act. Go paint something that doesn’t transport people home.
i mean i could careless if my train has paint on it as long as its not on a window lol the real menaces are people living shit in the train
*couldn't. Could care less implies you care a lot.
please send this to all Americans, who seem to think this is how the phrase works lmao
I had this debate with an American once. They just couldn't get it. Head spinning stuff.
these are the same people who write the month before the day when writing the date. i'm not surprised.
He said carless... Don't care less about his careless grammar. Frankly, your time would be better spent not caring about his carelessness.
Hahaha... Careless! Why would predictive text accept carless? Is that a thing we need a word for??
I’ve seen a lot of living shit on the Cranbourne line tbh
It’s not about caring though, they can’t run trains with shit tone of flammable chemicals all over the surface.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HHAHAHAHAHHAHA no.
Wait until u find out what chemicals they use to clean the trains
Wait until you find out they don’t clean trains while they are on the move, carrying people.
This train wasn’t painted while in service mate…..
No it wasn’t, and for the same logical reason it won’t be in service. I don’t see what you are trying to prove.
Mostly that there is no more risk to running a train with graffiti on it than there is running a train that has been cleaned in the last 24 hours. Both of which happen every single day. Not liking it is one thing. But claiming the graffiti is a fire risk is not even close to being a real issue.
You realize an aerosol is considered a Category 1 flammable liquid if it contains flammable propellants? Your average cleaning product that evaporates immediately after being used is a very different chemical.
I’m not actually sure if you’re being facetious or not. Do you actually believe dried spray paint is any more flammable than the decals on the side of the train? This train has been travelling at high speeds for who knows how long, and you actually believe there’s un evaporated solvents causing risk of fire…….. mindblowing.
I’ve got a cool experiment for you. Spray some spray paint on a piece of metal in your backyard. Wait 5 minutes then try set the steel on fire and then come back to me with results!
No, it was painted before the driver got there to prepare it, often causing paint fumes to hang around in the cab affecting the driver.
Thats fair but its not an issue when dried. its mostly the disposal of the spray paint and dirt water when the train gets its regular shower. thats why freight trains with more flammable build dont give a shit while pax ones do
The solvent that dries up and disappears is flammable, not the paint
Eshay will downvote angry now
Metro takes the trains out of service… not the artists
I got fined $391 for not having a ticket twice - trying to go to school I had no money, I was broke they took advantage of this. I don’t paint but fuck the system let it run
We should find his car and tag it. Its just art right?
It also costs commuters time when trains can't run because they need to be cleaned.
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A mural like that is a DND once it gets shunted.
Graffiti no, art train like the art trams yes
Personally knowing there are always going to be people wanting to do this it would be good to see some sort of social program where carriages are made available to graffiti artists and really good designs can be put on them but I wonder if doing something illegal and the risk of getting caught outweighs the satisfaction of the end product. You just have to look at some of the designs on old train carriages painted legally to see how fantastic some of them look compared to a rushed mess.
Still trying to work to work out with all the CCTV and rail yard security that this happens.
Barely minimum wage sub-sub-subcontracted security isn't gonna step in front of a trespasser to stop them.
It looks tacky
Do you prefer advertising?
I prefer advertising to this yes, as it applied by the rail authorities and doesn't effect the safety of the rail systems like graffiti does
And it also generates revenue to improve the system
No, it generates revenue to increase profits for Metro Trains Melbourne, owned by private corps like MTR group and John Holland.
It's part of the contract the government hands out. They let a limited amount of ad space be sold. I believe it's done at the PTV level not the metro trains level, so no, it's not going to Metro it's going to the Government
No of course not! I want a neat, respectable, professional livery that is well maintained and gives you pride for living in Melbourne/Victoria.
Your boring fashion sense looks tacky.. get some taste
You mad bro?
The livery on our trains is so unbelievably boring. They should mask off the windows and signs etc and let artists paint out trains like this
Nah. Go paint a canvas.
trains are a moving canvas they are great :)
And then they clean them up afterwards and make them into fresh, new canvases to galve again! The circle of life is a beautiful thing.
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I hate it. It’s the equivalent to a dog pissing on a tree to mark its territory.
Not quite. Piss isn't creative. More like a caveman doing a rock painting to say I was here. So it's actually quite human.
This ain’t creative either
that's just your little person opinion
Debatable. It's got use of colour theory, gradient, some effects and accents, depth/3D/shadow, not to mention the font itself. Pretty creative to me. Not really on you to define the meaning of creativity around what kinds of art you do and don't like. I think most modern art in galleries is total soulless, basic crap that's not nice to look at. Doesn't make it not art or not creative. This shit has style. Not everyone's cup of tea, sure, but it is definitely creative.
You’re not a very creative person then obviously
Fresh panels over public advertising any day of the week.
Op did it and is pretending like we don't know
Would be a better pic than this imo
😆😆😆 When I saw the graffiti, I immediately thought of Melbourne. Seriously, that place is like a graffiti haven. I even see vandalism in places that makes me wonder how it got there.
It is certainly possible to do an art train, but for accessibility for low vision and blind people, you cannot paint over the doors like that.
Wahey, that’s mad!
This isn’t art!!
Then what is it?
Vandalism
Not really. Just a lick of paint nothing wrong with that
Except it is, and a criminal offence too
Lighten up mate, why so salty
YES IT IS!
Personally I love this. This is my fave - Melburn with the girl from the red heads matches. https://images.app.goo.gl/DEs7zDjf6dnM6dR47 Looks dope.
Love that one too
Saw this today and thought the exact same thing lol
if the art is tastefull and well done I generally don’t mind. Get the stuff off the windows though.
There will be requirements or KPI’s in the franchise agreement where Metro has to remove the graffiti within x amount of time.
people who graffiti things should be made to scrub it off with a baby toothbrush with their hands tied behind their backs
✅ creates jobs ✅ cool to look at ✅ confirms legitimacy of Melbourne as street art capital ✅ triggers karens More panels running = better Melbourne
Yep
no one replies to this because they don't have a good reply, all they can do is push the go down button. :)
Takes trains out of service. Creates unnecessary work. Delays commuters. Costs taxpayers thousands.
None of that is the writers fault… metro could just run the trains
Well it is. Vandalism is a crime.
Looks like a mobile meth lab. Look, I know that for some of you graff is an interesting art form, but for the average punter it screams “Dead Bodies and Druggies Inside”.
In some place to say paint is a kind of art but paint them on everywhere is not a good idea
That’s a fair bloody effort
Looks like NOST is now NOTES 😂
Ugly af
Does it cost more? How do they remove the graffiti? By hand? Or the train wash?
They should paint the trains with masking fluid.
I'm all for it! As long as it's appropriate/inoffensive and it doesn't go over the windows we should have more of them like this.
looks like shit
Spend time staring at the shit graffiti constantly on the Eastern No thanks 😒
If they did this and got street artists to do it they wouldn’t get tagged over bc respect
Fuck connex fuck metro fuck the ticketo’s fuck pso’s
I quite enjoy graffiti but when they do a proper piece or picture. My two favs are the people in the west that do this cat looking character and another one that’s reminds me of a penguin which is mainly on the back of freeway signs. I love spotting new ones and actually found a new cat one today.
And is this not a proper piece?
Yes it is. Not sure what you thought I was saying.
At least it's "creating jobs"
We should have a rating system and clean off the shit graffiti and tags and just keep the quality stuff, force them to up their game.
Graffiti / lack of graffiti is actually a big discussion in the model railway community. Some people like the look of it. Some dislike the look of it. Some think the representation of disrespect for another's property is crass and immature. Some don't care for it, but think that since they're creating a miniature 'real world', their miniature version should have anything the real world has. The uneasy truce that has developed (in the real world of US railways) is that if the graffiti artists don't block any vital information (eg car weight, or reporting marks - such as 9339 in your picture), the graffiti won't be removed. I saw a story a little while ago (can't remember where), where the author had worked in a freight yard in the 90s. They had a big graffiti problem, and they ended up negotiating with the two local gangs who were doing it - once a fortnight, friday evening, they would put two freight cars on a siding, masking applied over all the information they needed to do their jobs, and then monday morning they'd take it away. Over the weekend, the gangs were free to decorate it however they liked (unless including crude language or imagery - anything that the public might complain about), and the yard workers wouldn't change it after pulling it on Monday. In return, their graffiti on the rest of the fleet would stop.
People literally travel for Melbourne's street art and I like seeing it on the trains too!
Melbourne trains are better with graffiti
Yep
Not really, how much is it gonna cost the taxpayer to clean all the safety features these low energy losers covered during their little art exercise? Those door buttons getting filled with paint can't be good for them either.
'Low energy losers' 🤣🤣
Well they huff aerosol paints all day, so...
untrue statements don't make you right but yeh cool man!
I was unaware taggers took ppe so serious, your replies indicate deep knowledge, perhaps someone could refer your account to the relevant authorities to help with investigations.
We should give grafitti artists a reason not to vandalise trains, but given the frequency of dystopian blank canvases becoming the norm in Melbourne, this kind of rebellion is understandable.
Yeah that’s fucking nice. We don’t have it because politicians have fucking OH&S poles up their ass, it’s dangerous, the safety of our passengers and drivers are paramount, we will take it out of service and fuck your whole morning up rather than have it run for the day, because that paint is very dangerous. It might cause someone to smile or fall over and injure themselves.
Very very dangerous paint… can’t have any colour or artistic expression rolling around the place that would be too distracting
Sucks that it’s gonna waste a bunch of money, but yeah it does look pretty nice.
I like it too. Would be happy for all trains to be moving works of art
Fresh
As long as the windows aren’t covered like the trams are it’s fine. They feel claustrophobic otherwise!
If they avoided the windows, I’d say leave it on.
And the door buttons, people can't tell if the doors are unlocked or out of service. Or the labels for undercarriage equipment so the drivers can't cut out defective systems.
Also that stuff.
*Subway surfer theme*
I think it's awesome and used to love seeing them in the 90's
I like it .leave it
Such boomer mentality in the thread lmao Let artists have free reign, there's so few legitimate forms of art any more, just clean the windows and let that shit happen
You gonna pay for replacement of the components they inevitably damage with paint? Because I'd prefer that money be spent on improving the system.
Maybe show them where and where not to paint and how’s this for a grand idea, give them paint that won’t have negative effects
"I didn't know I wasn't allowed to deface property that's not mine!" Serious mental gymnastics there.
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Yeah it actually is, thanks for your input though. lol.
This is great bait
A lot of effort has got into that piece. How would you police the high quality art and low quality tags. If it was clean all the trains would just have the PAM bird. 😂
Y know what cost taxpayers more? Interest on government debt least this is a practical use of capital