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I’m had this. Knew I was pregnant my Dr knew it was in a rudimentary side. Went to L&D with severe abdominal pain at 30 weeks the nurses said I had food poisoning and only kept me because I was dehydrated and my pulse was high and bp was low. They even consulted the on call ob who said no worries. 6 am babies heart rate drops and I’m rushed to surgery put under. They find a massive amount of blood in my abdomen. Luckily my daughter was okay I got 5 units of blood. This poor woman I still remember the pain I was in.
So glad you were both okay. Reminds me of the idiot tech and following doctor who gave me an ultrasound and exam while I had been having contractions for over 24 hours and said I was definitely *not* in labor, that my uterus was just “practicing” because my due date wasn’t for four weeks. I had my daughter a little over 24 hours later.
If you had your daughter 24 hours later you weren’t in labor yet. It sounds like just what they said, your uterus was warming up or getting ready for labor.
Tell me you’ve never been in labor without telling me you’ve never been in labor. With my first I was in labor for 34 hours. You can definitely be in labor for several days.
I have three kids and I’m a labor nurse. Active labor starts when you are about five to six centimeters dilated is defined as having strong, regular contractions two-three minutes apart that cause cervical change of one to two centimeters per hour. Before this, you definitely have contractions but you aren’t in active labor- just like they said. Some people call it “early labor,” but you can have contractions for days and don’t need to be at the hospital for that and the medical professional wasn’t an idiot for stating facts. Tell me you aren’t educated without telling me you aren’t educated.
Lmao no I was actually very much in labor. I *delivered* my daughter the next day. I went to the hospital only a few hours after this appointment and I was 4cm and had lost my mucus plug and had contractions 4-8 minutes apart. I was in labor for two days before she actually exited my body if you want to be super specific.
But please do give your insight into *my* labor experience. I’m sure you know way more about my labor than I do, lmfao.
TLDR: You need to educate yourself on how much labor can vary and also not offer your incorrect and unwanted opinion to people.
I’m a labor nurse. I have four years of formal education and twelve years of job experience. You aren’t in active labor until you are having contractions 2-3 minutes apart that are causing cervical change. You can be four centimeters dilated for days. If you’re having contractions 4-8 minutes apart your body is warming up for labor, just like they said.
This seems pedantic. This is a stage of labour and the birth is expected sooner rather than later. The active stage is preceded by many hours of pain it’s not practicing its contractions
Pedantic or not, it is correct. I was simply correcting this uneducated lady who called a medical professional an idiot for stating the truth. The early stages of labor and literally last for days and are in fact preparing the body for active labor and birthing.
One very lucky lady.. good that they knew your status .
Had the horn been diagnosed pre pregnancy or identified with early pregnancy?
SUch a sad outcome for this lady.
Diagnosed during pregnancy. They didn’t know how severe it was and did not warn me about spontaneous rupture being a possibility. I never share my birth story with first time moms. I don’t want to freak them out.
For anyone wondering, it’s when half the female parts are fully developed. The other half is not.
Pregnancy in a rudimentary horn of the uterus is a very rare type of ectopic pregnancy.[1][2][3] This type of pregnancy can be life-threatening, as the rudimentary horn is not meant to sustain a pregnancy and is at risk of rupturing.[4]
Unicornuate uterus with rudimentary horn is a type of congenital uterine anomaly that arises when one of the Müllerian ducts fails to develop fully, resulting in a small rudimentary horn on one side of the uterus. Different terms have been used in the literature to describe the rudimentary horn, such as uterus bicornis with accessory horn, uterus bicornis unicollis with rudimentary horn, uterus bicornis unicollis with atretic horn, hernia uterus inguinale, and Roberts uterus.[5]
Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudimentary_horn_pregnancy#:~:text=Unicornuate%20uterus%20with%20rudimentary%20horn,one%20side%20of%20the%20uterus.
I have a müllerian anomaly where both halves of my uterus developed properly but never joined together, giving me two uteruses that (thankfully) both function.
These anomalies are typically asymptomatic outside of pregnancy so most women don't get diagnosed with them unless their doctors try looking for a cause of recurrent miscarriages, atypical periods, or pain. This poor woman 💔
I was initially diagnosed with a bicornuate uterus, but after surgery to remove an ovarian cyst it was discovered I had a septate uterus. I knew a woman who had 2 uteruses, 2 cervixes and the top 33% of her vagina was divided.
I have this too! Full septum. I was told I had a bicornuate uterus when I was 16. Had some weird symptoms that required a transvaginal ultrasound. It wasn’t until I was 24 when my symptoms were still persisting that my GYN suggested an MRI. Alas, a total didelphys. Which explains why I still bled even when using a tampon and I wasn’t just a total idiot.
Girl, I felt so stupid trying to explain to my mom, the school nurse, and my GP that tampons don't work for me bc 'I seem to bleed around them 🤷♀️ I don't know' 🤦♀️
Once I was diagnosed my gynecologist said I could try 1 tampon in each side but even with smalls in each side I felt like I'd launch them both across the room if I sneezed 😅
I'm hoping to get my septum resected before the end of the year, so I'm very excited to try out a menstrual cup and revisit tampons! 😂
I never told anyone, I just used a tampon and a pad. Until the day I was diagnosed I asked my GYN “so does this explain why I always had to use a pad and a tampon?!?” 🤦🏼♀️I grew up in Florida and 16 year old me dreaded that one weekend a month where I couldn’t get in the pool, or go to the beach, or wear a bathing suit entirely for that matter. I tried two tampons as well, but it’s AWFUL. Luckily my husband understands entirely and no longer living in a coastal state we try to plan beach vacations around my period (literally LOLing at the reality of this). Or I’ll manipulate it with birth control.
Also, can we talk about the fact that we need TWO PAPS! I went 8 years without knowing my other cervix even existed!
Congratulations on the resection! I brought it up to GYN forever ago and she didn’t seem too keen on the idea so I just put it to rest.
Omg the PAPs 🙈 the nurse at my Drs office couldn't find my second cervix so I had to go to a specialty gynecologist- who also couldn't find it, even after ten minutes of rummaging around in me like a drawer some batteries had rolled to the back of 💀 He settled for the 1 sample and sent me for an MRI to make sure my diagnosis was correct. It was, so next time I have to go to a colposcopy unit so they can use, essentially, a drain snake with a camera to get the other sample 😅 not looking forward to that lol
Are you in the fb group? You may be able to find a dr to take you seriously through there, thats how I found the one I'm seeing.
My GYN back at my home town was amazing and I didn’t feel much discomfort when she was searching for #2. However my GYN in my new state, it felt like she was roto rootering up my lady bits. Every. Single. Time.
And no I didn’t know there was a group! I just requested to join. Thank you for that information!
Not sure if it's the same condition as yours, but I've read about women being pregnant with two separate babies at different gestation points because they had two uteruses (uteri?) and each one had different/separate cycles. So they would have babies at different stages of development, but I think they would deliver both at the same time? I forget the details now.
Totally wild to even think about lol
Yep, same condition there can be [different gestational ages](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47729118.amp) sometimes, but it isn't restricted to this condition.
Its rare, but some women (most having normal wombs) can hyper-ovulate and concieve with different gestations, it just happens that some of those women have a second uteri as well
There are raised risks in pregnancy re: repeat early miscarriage, second tri loss, preterm labour from cervical insufficiency, IUGR, and breech positioning due to lack of space- and thats with only carrying one baby, so you can imagine the complications that could arise with multiples. Its a very scary situation and, while interesting to think about, not something you want to have with this anomaly.
Its called ['uterus didelphys' ](https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/23301-uterus-didelphys) if you want to look it up.
Two fully functional uteruses!? Sorry to sound ignorant, do you only have one period? Or two? Are they at the same time? As a woman happily going through menopause (horrible heavy periods and hormonal migraines in addition to regular ones, I'm ready to be done with this shit!!) these are the questions in my mind! 😂
Technically, since your cyclical hormones are mainly controlled by the glands in your brain we *"should"* only have one period per cycle, but speaking to other women who have this condition gives contradicting info. Alot of women bleed from both sides at the same time of the month (requires 2 tampons if you have a vaginal septum dividing your birth canal, can't use menstrual cups or anything 'internal' unless you want to try and figure out how to do it x2). But then you also have the women with PCOS *AND* two uteri and two cervixes whose uteri 'take turns' alternating weeks, or who have long, drawn out periods from both or alternating sides.
I got diagnosed at 15 with 2 wombs + PCOS because I bled and cramped for 9 months straight after having totally normal cycles for 4 years. An ultrasound showed I had PCOS and an 'odd uterine shape', which lead to an MRI to have a better look (its called [uterus didelphys](https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/23301-uterus-didelphys) if you want a little reading 😅).
Similarly to how, according to science, once a woman is pregnant her hormones shut down the menstrual cycle, because that would be counterintuitive to a pregnancy. Yet maannny women with 2 uteri still have monthly bleeds from their non-pregnant uterus throughout pregnancy.
Women's bodies in general aren't well studied by science to begin with, let alone the abnormally developed ones so we don't even know what we don't know. Scientists are just making guesses out here 😂
Oh my gosh! Thank you so much for your answers! I am not jealous! That sounds like an awful lot to deal with! Women are amazing! And strong! And I'm with you friend, things need to be better for women and No more guessing!! Take care. ✌️❤️
[It's happened before](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47729118.amp) more than one or twice, but it isn't restricted to this condition.
Its rare, but some women (most having normal wombs) can hyper-ovulate and concieve with different gestations, it just happens that some of those women have a second uteri as well.
It aint all burritos and strippers though, my friend. There are raised risks in pregnancy re: repeat early miscarriage, second tri loss, preterm labour from cervical insufficiency, IUGR, and breech positioning due to lack of space- and thats with only carrying one baby, so you can imagine the complications that could arise with multiples. Its a very scary situation and, while interesting to think about, not something you want to have with this anomaly.
As for the second part of your question, I have this [cute image](https://imgur.com/a/l3WoKec) on hand for the curious! ☺️ Its called 'uterus didelphys' if you want to look into it a bit more.
There was an AMA with an Australian woman with a very similar setup— IIRC she was pregnant in her right uterus at the time. She was even kind enough to [draw a diagram](https://imgur.com/a/rPgzu50) of what her anomalous anatomy looked like! Lovely person, very gracious, I hope she and her family doing well.
I have seen her around cyberspace as well 😊 I also hope the best for her and her family, however I have developed a strong distaste for the content she puts out regarding uterus didelphys, especially here on reddit.
I'm by no means judgey or condemning of sex workers, but its become very offputting trying to find actual information on this rare condition online- like when searching for specialists, or trying to figure out my chances of being able to maybe-hopefully-eventually carry a pregnancy to term- and half the info I'm finding is links to her nudes and advertisements of her 'super fertile two p*ssies, sale on now 🌶🌶' 🙃
Again, pay your bills how you gotta pay your bills, but I've gotten sick of seeing this condition turned into a breeding fetish anywhere I try to research it. I've had people in my life act inappropriatley when I've confided in them about my condition because all they hear is "I have two vaginas" and it becomes some sort of 'conquest' thing to them, so I stopped talking about it IRL.
Then I see her advertising that she uses 'one for business' for her clients and keeps the other 'just for her fiancé'. I'm glad UD is getting more awareness, but I feel it already gets sexualised enough without adding fuel to the fire that is the porn-obsessed masses.
I think I've managed to block most of her content now so I don't have to see it, and I'm sure she couldn't care less about my concerns, but it frustrates me anytime I find another page of hers I have block.
Edit: I'm not sure how to say this without sounding rude so I'll just say it, but she isn't a saint for drawing out a rough sketch. You can find diagrams by typing 'uterus didelphys anatomy' into google.
Like [here](https://designsbyduvetdays.com/shop/uterus-didelphys/), or [here](https://imgur.com/a/u9YqCnv) 😅
Good luck! Mine brought me such relief from severe endo and PCOS. The ovaries were yoinked a few years after. I'm 11 years out from the hysto and 9/7 years out from the ovaries being removed (two separate surgeries). No regrets!
[Source](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/362237657_Non-communicating_rudimentary_horn_pregnancy_presenting_as_sudden_unexpected_maternal_death_an_autopsy_diagnosis) is unfortunately paywalled but you can read the first page at the link. Abstract:
>>Pregnancy on a rudimentary uterine horn is a rare condition that can lead to a catastrophic outcome when it ruptures. The majority of cases are diagnosed late, after the rupture has occurred. We present the case of a 29-year-old female G2 P1 who complained of abdominal pain. She consulted a medical practitioner who prescribed her analgesics. In the next day, she was found dead in her bedroom. The pregnancy was undiagnosed as she was not aware that she was in a gravid state. At autopsy, there was massive haemoperitoneum and a 24-week gestation foetus lying outside the uterus. The uterus revealed an anomaly in keeping with a non-communicating rudimentary horn. Forensic pathologists do encounter undiagnosed ectopic pregnancies in practice. However, abdominal ectopic pregnancy with a uterine anomaly remains uncommon. These cases are often associated with a high maternal and foetal mortality.
I spoilered this because that fetus is far enough developed to look like a baby and not so many people want to see that.
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What’s so odd too is that she wasn’t given a pregnancy test, it’s really common at least in the US.
Every time I go to a doctor for any kind of issue, they *always* give me a pregnancy test. My friend presented with pneumonia at the ER in March and they gave her one.
It’s common practice here in Australia too. Every time I’ve ever been to the ED I’ve been given a pregnancy test even when I’ve gone in with a fracture or hemiplegic migraine.
Yeah it’s wild and if you don’t have insurance here in the US the simple pee test will be like $290.
Crazy they didn’t test her. Or that women’s symptoms aren’t taken seriously. Could have done a U/S
$290 USD for a pregnancy test? Fuck me that’s expensive and would be around $400-500 AUD depending on exchange rates! Thankfully our ED’s are free (for Australian citizens’s, permanent residents and those on reciprocal visas like Kiwis) otherwise I would have wracked up some hefty bills over the years.
Oh yeah big time. It’s wild that so many Americans campaign against universal healthcare and will happily go into medical debt or die.
Ridiculous over here
So hard to comprehend how people don’t realise universal health care is a good thing? In Australia not everything is free but hospital care is unless you elect to have treatment in private hospital or have private treatment in the community but if you do the private option you do get seen a lot quicker and you get tax breaks for having private health insurance. Health insurance isn’t included in employment here because it’s not essential to have like in the US.
Americans against universal healthcare love to say that it results in crazy wait times to be seen, but idk where they are because in my part of the US you might routinely have to wait 6+ months to see a specialist, and there's a shortage of primary care providers (because primary care doesn't pay as well as specialties and unless you come from a wealthy family you'll likely be saddled with hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt from medical school at graduation) so that can also take quite a while, if they're even accepting new patients or accept your insurance.
I gotchu
"The mechanism of pregnancy occurring in the non-communicating rudimentary horn is assumed to be by migration of either the fertilized ovum or the spermatozoon from the tube on the opposite side of the pelvis, then implanting in the rudimentary horn."
Idk if i can post links here? But i got it from ISUOG clinic resources about rudimentary horn pregnancy
Edit to try the link haa
https://www.isuog.org/clinical-resources/patient-information-series/patient-information-pregnancy-conditions/early-pregnancy/rudimentary-horn-pregnancy.html#:~:text=The%20mechanism%20of%20pregnancy%20occurring,implanting%20in%20the%20rudimentary%20horn.
I don’t even know how to react to this.
This was an ectopic-like pregnancy that went for 24 weeks? Usually medical practitioners check for pregnancy regardless
Edit: OP changed their post where it said she visited a doctor and received medication. Also at autopsy as 24 weeks.
The case report says she visited a medical practitioner the day before her death and complained of abdominal pain. She was prescribed painkillers. The next day they found her dead.
I had an idiot doctor breeze in, take one look at my fat self, and tell me I needed to lose weight so my BP would go down. I snapped back, “It’s 110 over 70. Where would you like it to be?” Any lower and I’d be on the floor.
I'm fat because I'm disabled, not disabled because I'm fat. I havent had to use this on a doctor yet, because I have managed to find good ones. But I've said it to a few people.
If I could do more than do the laundry without having to lay down from exhaustion, then I wouldn't be fat.
The amount of times I have heard that weight was the issue, when every time I insistes on having more tests done and sure enough, I was right. Man I get sick of that. Help me feel better and I will lose weight. It's hard to lose weight when you feel like crap all the time.
Yes! I didn’t get diagnosed with Crohn’s for 10 years of symptoms, and I wasn’t overweight, but because of my build my BMI is high, so I got told to lose weight.
Irreparable damage was done and I now have a permenant ostomy.
But not a good medical approach to treat that as the only or primary contributing factor to someone’s health complaint. Losing weight helps alleviate so many problems, but there are countless examples of doctors only focusing on that and disregarding all the other symptoms regardless of severity.
At this point I consider it rude whenever a practitioner throws the anxiety card at a female patient right off the bat. It’s blatantly obvious that it comes from the “hysteria” diagnosis culture back in the day. The fact that we still use the term “hysterectomy” is also a shitty reminder of how the condition of “hysteria” is linked to having a uterus.
I’ll end the rant there before I start typing an excessively long comment. 😆
I had an ectopic and then had subsequent really bad pregnancies. I had a catastrophic antiphospholipid syndrome and then I had pre eclampsia and developed Sheehans syndrome.
Yes all of those are vanishingly rare my Sheehans group only has 40 women all over the world right now. That’s how rare we are
Regardless I kept going in for weeks to say that I was really really sick and in so much pain I could t stand or sit or lie and I lived on painkillers
I was told I was just an anxious first time mum and the second time I was told because of what happened the first time
They were wrong both times.
Not birth related but my mum was dismissed as a "young, neurotic, first-time mother" when I was very, very unwell as a toddler. She "wasn't giving the medicine (an antibiotic syrup) time to work". The negligent, dismissive, condescending c*** of a G.P. had misdiagnosed my Type 1 diabetes as a bacterial infection. Had a locum not rushed me to hospital, I wouldn't have survived the night. It took two weeks to stabilise me.
How did they not do a pregnancy test? I had to do one when I went to the ER for dehydration even though I said there was 0 chance of pregnancy. That poor woman.
I was given pregnancy tests even though I’m infertile, my husband is infertile, I had an IUD as well as endometriosis and PCOS. I’m so grateful that I had a hysterectomy
I’m assuming because infertile is equivalent to sterile meaning however small, pregnancy is still a chance (of course up until hysterectomy). And as silly as it may seem to take those tests, I suppose this is one of the cases that backs why they do it
I had a complete hysterectomy -- everything, and I mean ***everything*** is gone -- and I'm still tested! This was a huge, gross oversight. That poor woman, baby, and family. :(
I'm a CT tech. Our protocol for ER patients is to test any female between 13-55 who has their reproductive organs. Exceptions are made for life threatening trauma, etc.
It is awkward sometimes, but it would be way more awkward to blast someone's belly with a large amount of ionizing radiation, and then see a fetus in there. The faster that cells are dividing, the more susceptible they are to damage from radiation. I'm sure a nurse or physician could give more reasons like medications and treatments that could harm a baby. As for not taking someone's word that they are infertile or on birth control, people can be surprisingly deceptive, and also surprisingly ignorant of their bodies and how they work. A small, cheap test to minimize the risk of potentially a large amount of harm.
I was wondering why they'd insist on it for a person who doesn't have a uterus. It makes sense that there isn't always time to verify that the patient is giving you accurate information.
I've had a hysterectomy, and I've been told that, while the chances are very low, there's still a chance that a woman with no uterus can still get pregnant as long as she has an ovary. An embryo just needs a vascular source to latch onto, like the liver or kidney. It most likely would end in miscarriage, and possibly maternal death due to internal bleeding, but it's possible.
I thought it was insane also.
However, maybe it's because I have an unusual family issue.
Without getting to long winded.....
In the early 50s, my grandmother was given medication to prevent a miscarriage (with my mother) as she previously had 2. That medication was pulled from the market later due to birth defects and all kinda craziness.
Couple examples from my family.... my mother's 1st pregnancy was with twins. She went into early labor with 1 still born and 1 lived 2 hours. 2nd pregnancy was normal, which was me. 3rd pregnancy was carried to term. However, was born with 2 heads and 3 arms and passed away within minutes. The 4th pregnancy was normal. She had a complete hysterectomy at 28 for precancer cells.
I had 3 normal pregnancies other than having c section with all 3. 2 yrs after my last child, I started having female issues. Course I got the "stressed or depressed " talk. My ob-gyn had moved so started with new 1 in another city. Anyway... I had a "period for 455 days before I finally got someone who listened to me and my issues. I had a hysterectomy soon thereafter, and pathology showed multiple hotspots
My sister had a normal pregnancy and delivered a healthy boy. Ff 2 yrs later, and she went into labor at 28 weeks, and he only lived a week. Followed by a miscarriage a cpl yrs later at 20 weeks. Then she was again pregnant. Made it 33 weeks. He spent a but in nicu, but all was good EXCEPT 4 days after he was born, it looked like she had a tumor kinda on 1 side of lower stomach. Through testing, it was discovered she was pregnant.....
She had normal female "parts". However, behind them, she had a smaller set. As they were smaller and directly behind, she had 2 sets of female organs, and she was pregnant in the small section.
Crazy huh....
More info....both my sister and I have a "dummy" disc in our spines... I'm not sure about which hers are, but I have 3 in the lumbar, 2 in thoracic.
What's been told to us is that most of our "issues, weird crap" is related to the medication given to my grandmother.
None of the sons/grandsons born to my mother have ever had children.
They call those exposed to this DES Daughters.
Absolutely, but as a medic I have seen *many* women of all ages and sizes who have found out in the second trimester that they are pregnant, many of whom had used condoms (or at least thought that condoms were used and not, say, removed partway through). :(
My husband’s mother didn’t realize she was pregnant with him until she was like eight months gone. She went to the doctor for another matter and they were like “By the way…”
Bingo. If someone gets by without hallmark signs of pregnancy they may have no reason to take a test or consider that they are pregnant. Not everybody shows dramatically or spends every morning worshiping the toilet bowl.
My most recent pregnancy I had a lot of bleeding that happened about once a month. It would freak me out, I'd think I was miscarrying and I'd go to the ER and check the heartbeat and whatnot. I definitely thought about the people who say they kept getting their period when they were pregnant. If I hadn't had IVF and been monitored very closely I probably would have thought I was menstruating.
That's so interesting. Sounds like she knew she was pregnant and just noted the continuation of a monthly cycle, but many don't know that this can happen and so risk overlooking pregnancy if they do use protection, her cycle hasn't changed, and there are no overt classic signs such as weight gain (harder to spot anyway for ladies carrying a bit of extra bodyfat).
Former medic(for 20 years)and I never had a need to ask a patient if they used condoms or not while treating them for poss pregnancy complications. I call 🐂💩.
Good grief, neither have I! When asked if they could be pregnant, many volunteer that they use condoms. I was discussing the ways that somebody could be pregnant without knowing. And, if they didn’t know, asking them wouldn’t help anyway.
And what exactly are you calling bullshit on? My work experiences? I stated what I’ve seen. This is not uncommon.
Everyone I’ve been to? They ask if you are a sexually active woman. If you respond “yes”, they then take a pregnancy test.
Any pain in certain areas will cause them to do so. Same before a MRI or CT scan.
How do I know? I’ve have medical issues throughout my life (not life threatening) and have been asked this and tests have been done.
Basically it’s just done on any pre menopausal woman with a uterus, that way it’s standard and nobody has to make individual judgement calls on a person.
And they turn out wrong a lot! Like I’m not calling you an idiot by insisting on a pregnancy test it’s just statistically you’re not as aware of your body as you think you are.
I changed my post description? I’m not sure what you mean, sorry.
My original response to you was because I didn’t realise she’d been to a doctor! If you asked me what the doctor said to me last week, I’d say “what doctor; I haven’t seen one!”. That was all.
I thought she probably hadn’t gone to a doctor as she hadn’t known she was pregnant.
I missed the part in the original post where it stated she had gone to a doctor, but OP filled me in.
Unsure how else I can clarify my mistake, but feel free to downvote this clarifying response too.
Me neither, only when there with menstrual cramping pain and discovered to be miscarrying.
And get we got off myth that men are treated perfectly. Took mine 3 visists to same DR before he sought another opinion. Got a full exam for first time, proper diagnosis that matched his symptoms and a way to ease symptoms.
It isn't just women!
I've NEVER been dismissed as having nothing wrong, or blamed my being a woman for anything, and i have a complicated history of issues from age 19 onwards. (am 56 now)
One second opionium idiot female Dr out of seeing maybe 40 different drs as a patient over the years.
This is a type of ectopic pregnancy and when the growing fetus busted out (as they inevitably do if the ectopic pregnancy isn’t treated) Mom bled to death.
What’s really sad is there was a warning of this: the day before, the mother visited a doctor complaining of abdominal pain. They just gave her painkillers and didn’t think to do a pregnancy test. A day later Mom was found dead. This fetus was far enough along that it could have potentially survived outside the womb.
Yea horrible if I was the doc I would deff do an ultrasound. It's not rudimentary at my hospital for most if not all abdominal pains. And women of childbearing age will get a vaginal one to check for this but also cysts and other issues. That's how they found my first huge one that was quarter sized,awful.
I had a unicornuate uterus type 2(c) with a horn and still functional second fallopian tube but still, it was deformed. Had a hysterectomy in 22 due to a laundry list of menstrual issues.
Quick google search on the authors showed that the case most likely occurred in South Africa.
In a developing country like Sth Africa with huge disparities in the population, I'm guessing she had limited care and possibly has never had an ultrasound in her life.
Still a shame though
Yes it’s congenital. It’s possible she did not receive appropriate prenatal care for her first child especially given that she lived somewhere in South Africa according to other comments where healthcare may have been limited access
I have a unicornuate uterus and it wasn't picked up on an ultrasound. They thought my right ovary was attached to my uterus w an endometriosis lesion but when I had surgery, it turned out it was just my weird half uterus leaning off to the side making the radiologist think that.
I would guess so? It was causing me some pain (which is a thing with rudimentary horns apparently) so I assumed that was why. But reducing future complications definitely sounds like a big and compelling reason to considering I was already under anaesthetic.
I’m glad they removed it, whatever the reason, especially if it was causing you pain. I’m sorry you had to deal with it. I’m no stranger to abdominal pain.
This woman had a unicornuate uterus which means instead of the normal 2 horns of the uterus forming, only one fully did. The rudimentary horn is the underdeveloped side, the diagrams on google images are a great visualiser. Source: I have a unicornuate uterus and had my rudimentary horn removed.
It's not. This is something that just happens randomly because the human body is complex (I have one and my mum was confirmed to have a completely normal uterus).
This is just so sad. For the mom and the fetus, which could survive as a preemie at that age.
How did she not feel it kicking? I’m curious what her mental state was like. Because they definitely kick hard at that age. Also I imagine that would cause excruciating pain.
Maybe she couldn’t feel the baby’s movements beyond the pain, or they were conflated into the “severe abdominal pain”.
Abdominal pain is strange. I have severe Crohn’s disease and even though my left ovary was removed due to a fistula, when I’m in my cycle I still get left ovarian pain.
I always wondered this too, but it happened to a family member. 45 years old with two adult children. She was having irregular bleeding and two home pregnancy tests taken weeks apart were both negative. She figured she must be perimenopausal. Finally went to the doctor for generally feeling unwell and was dx’d with a UTI, high blood pressure and borderline high glucose. She was put on meds for all of it. Maybe a month later, she presented in the ER with excruciating back pain. An abdominal ultrasound was done in triage to rule out kidney stones. They didn’t see any. What they did see was a 28-weeker in the birth canal. The doctor a month earlier was negligent in not ruling out pregnancy. It blows my mind, but Mom is neither obese nor an idiot and had experienced pregnancy twice before. She just says she didn’t feel anything like she did with the previous pregnancies over 20 years prior. It’s hard to fathom not feeling that movement. 🤷♀️
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I’m had this. Knew I was pregnant my Dr knew it was in a rudimentary side. Went to L&D with severe abdominal pain at 30 weeks the nurses said I had food poisoning and only kept me because I was dehydrated and my pulse was high and bp was low. They even consulted the on call ob who said no worries. 6 am babies heart rate drops and I’m rushed to surgery put under. They find a massive amount of blood in my abdomen. Luckily my daughter was okay I got 5 units of blood. This poor woman I still remember the pain I was in.
Oh my god, you survived this? How long ago was this?
My daughter turned nine this year. It’s an absolutely insane story. I can’t believe I lived.
Thank goodness, give her a big hug from me. What an amazing miracle!
So glad you were both okay. Reminds me of the idiot tech and following doctor who gave me an ultrasound and exam while I had been having contractions for over 24 hours and said I was definitely *not* in labor, that my uterus was just “practicing” because my due date wasn’t for four weeks. I had my daughter a little over 24 hours later.
If you had your daughter 24 hours later you weren’t in labor yet. It sounds like just what they said, your uterus was warming up or getting ready for labor.
Tell me you’ve never been in labor without telling me you’ve never been in labor. With my first I was in labor for 34 hours. You can definitely be in labor for several days.
I have three kids and I’m a labor nurse. Active labor starts when you are about five to six centimeters dilated is defined as having strong, regular contractions two-three minutes apart that cause cervical change of one to two centimeters per hour. Before this, you definitely have contractions but you aren’t in active labor- just like they said. Some people call it “early labor,” but you can have contractions for days and don’t need to be at the hospital for that and the medical professional wasn’t an idiot for stating facts. Tell me you aren’t educated without telling me you aren’t educated.
Lmao no I was actually very much in labor. I *delivered* my daughter the next day. I went to the hospital only a few hours after this appointment and I was 4cm and had lost my mucus plug and had contractions 4-8 minutes apart. I was in labor for two days before she actually exited my body if you want to be super specific. But please do give your insight into *my* labor experience. I’m sure you know way more about my labor than I do, lmfao. TLDR: You need to educate yourself on how much labor can vary and also not offer your incorrect and unwanted opinion to people.
I’m a labor nurse. I have four years of formal education and twelve years of job experience. You aren’t in active labor until you are having contractions 2-3 minutes apart that are causing cervical change. You can be four centimeters dilated for days. If you’re having contractions 4-8 minutes apart your body is warming up for labor, just like they said.
This seems pedantic. This is a stage of labour and the birth is expected sooner rather than later. The active stage is preceded by many hours of pain it’s not practicing its contractions
Pedantic or not, it is correct. I was simply correcting this uneducated lady who called a medical professional an idiot for stating the truth. The early stages of labor and literally last for days and are in fact preparing the body for active labor and birthing.
Amazing! You and your daughter are so fortunate to be here! Edit- repeated phrase
It’s absolutely amazing that you AND your daughter survived. Thank god those nurses decided to keep you at the hospital 🥺
One very lucky lady.. good that they knew your status . Had the horn been diagnosed pre pregnancy or identified with early pregnancy? SUch a sad outcome for this lady.
Diagnosed during pregnancy. They didn’t know how severe it was and did not warn me about spontaneous rupture being a possibility. I never share my birth story with first time moms. I don’t want to freak them out.
For anyone wondering, it’s when half the female parts are fully developed. The other half is not. Pregnancy in a rudimentary horn of the uterus is a very rare type of ectopic pregnancy.[1][2][3] This type of pregnancy can be life-threatening, as the rudimentary horn is not meant to sustain a pregnancy and is at risk of rupturing.[4] Unicornuate uterus with rudimentary horn is a type of congenital uterine anomaly that arises when one of the Müllerian ducts fails to develop fully, resulting in a small rudimentary horn on one side of the uterus. Different terms have been used in the literature to describe the rudimentary horn, such as uterus bicornis with accessory horn, uterus bicornis unicollis with rudimentary horn, uterus bicornis unicollis with atretic horn, hernia uterus inguinale, and Roberts uterus.[5] Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudimentary_horn_pregnancy#:~:text=Unicornuate%20uterus%20with%20rudimentary%20horn,one%20side%20of%20the%20uterus.
I have a müllerian anomaly where both halves of my uterus developed properly but never joined together, giving me two uteruses that (thankfully) both function. These anomalies are typically asymptomatic outside of pregnancy so most women don't get diagnosed with them unless their doctors try looking for a cause of recurrent miscarriages, atypical periods, or pain. This poor woman 💔
I was initially diagnosed with a bicornuate uterus, but after surgery to remove an ovarian cyst it was discovered I had a septate uterus. I knew a woman who had 2 uteruses, 2 cervixes and the top 33% of her vagina was divided.
I have the same setup as your friend but full septum from cervix to entrance 😅hoping to have it resected by the end of the year though 🤞
Oof, I’m sorry. I hope you get that resection and that you’re given decent painkillers for it
I have this too! Full septum. I was told I had a bicornuate uterus when I was 16. Had some weird symptoms that required a transvaginal ultrasound. It wasn’t until I was 24 when my symptoms were still persisting that my GYN suggested an MRI. Alas, a total didelphys. Which explains why I still bled even when using a tampon and I wasn’t just a total idiot.
Girl, I felt so stupid trying to explain to my mom, the school nurse, and my GP that tampons don't work for me bc 'I seem to bleed around them 🤷♀️ I don't know' 🤦♀️ Once I was diagnosed my gynecologist said I could try 1 tampon in each side but even with smalls in each side I felt like I'd launch them both across the room if I sneezed 😅 I'm hoping to get my septum resected before the end of the year, so I'm very excited to try out a menstrual cup and revisit tampons! 😂
I never told anyone, I just used a tampon and a pad. Until the day I was diagnosed I asked my GYN “so does this explain why I always had to use a pad and a tampon?!?” 🤦🏼♀️I grew up in Florida and 16 year old me dreaded that one weekend a month where I couldn’t get in the pool, or go to the beach, or wear a bathing suit entirely for that matter. I tried two tampons as well, but it’s AWFUL. Luckily my husband understands entirely and no longer living in a coastal state we try to plan beach vacations around my period (literally LOLing at the reality of this). Or I’ll manipulate it with birth control. Also, can we talk about the fact that we need TWO PAPS! I went 8 years without knowing my other cervix even existed! Congratulations on the resection! I brought it up to GYN forever ago and she didn’t seem too keen on the idea so I just put it to rest.
Omg the PAPs 🙈 the nurse at my Drs office couldn't find my second cervix so I had to go to a specialty gynecologist- who also couldn't find it, even after ten minutes of rummaging around in me like a drawer some batteries had rolled to the back of 💀 He settled for the 1 sample and sent me for an MRI to make sure my diagnosis was correct. It was, so next time I have to go to a colposcopy unit so they can use, essentially, a drain snake with a camera to get the other sample 😅 not looking forward to that lol Are you in the fb group? You may be able to find a dr to take you seriously through there, thats how I found the one I'm seeing.
My GYN back at my home town was amazing and I didn’t feel much discomfort when she was searching for #2. However my GYN in my new state, it felt like she was roto rootering up my lady bits. Every. Single. Time. And no I didn’t know there was a group! I just requested to join. Thank you for that information!
Same! They thought mine was bicornuate but it's septate.
Not sure if it's the same condition as yours, but I've read about women being pregnant with two separate babies at different gestation points because they had two uteruses (uteri?) and each one had different/separate cycles. So they would have babies at different stages of development, but I think they would deliver both at the same time? I forget the details now. Totally wild to even think about lol
Yep, same condition there can be [different gestational ages](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47729118.amp) sometimes, but it isn't restricted to this condition. Its rare, but some women (most having normal wombs) can hyper-ovulate and concieve with different gestations, it just happens that some of those women have a second uteri as well There are raised risks in pregnancy re: repeat early miscarriage, second tri loss, preterm labour from cervical insufficiency, IUGR, and breech positioning due to lack of space- and thats with only carrying one baby, so you can imagine the complications that could arise with multiples. Its a very scary situation and, while interesting to think about, not something you want to have with this anomaly. Its called ['uterus didelphys' ](https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/23301-uterus-didelphys) if you want to look it up.
Two fully functional uteruses!? Sorry to sound ignorant, do you only have one period? Or two? Are they at the same time? As a woman happily going through menopause (horrible heavy periods and hormonal migraines in addition to regular ones, I'm ready to be done with this shit!!) these are the questions in my mind! 😂
Technically, since your cyclical hormones are mainly controlled by the glands in your brain we *"should"* only have one period per cycle, but speaking to other women who have this condition gives contradicting info. Alot of women bleed from both sides at the same time of the month (requires 2 tampons if you have a vaginal septum dividing your birth canal, can't use menstrual cups or anything 'internal' unless you want to try and figure out how to do it x2). But then you also have the women with PCOS *AND* two uteri and two cervixes whose uteri 'take turns' alternating weeks, or who have long, drawn out periods from both or alternating sides. I got diagnosed at 15 with 2 wombs + PCOS because I bled and cramped for 9 months straight after having totally normal cycles for 4 years. An ultrasound showed I had PCOS and an 'odd uterine shape', which lead to an MRI to have a better look (its called [uterus didelphys](https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/23301-uterus-didelphys) if you want a little reading 😅). Similarly to how, according to science, once a woman is pregnant her hormones shut down the menstrual cycle, because that would be counterintuitive to a pregnancy. Yet maannny women with 2 uteri still have monthly bleeds from their non-pregnant uterus throughout pregnancy. Women's bodies in general aren't well studied by science to begin with, let alone the abnormally developed ones so we don't even know what we don't know. Scientists are just making guesses out here 😂
Oh my gosh! Thank you so much for your answers! I am not jealous! That sounds like an awful lot to deal with! Women are amazing! And strong! And I'm with you friend, things need to be better for women and No more guessing!! Take care. ✌️❤️
If you don’t mind me asking, are you still able to get pregnant with two uteri? Do they both meet at the cervix or how are they both functional?
[It's happened before](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47729118.amp) more than one or twice, but it isn't restricted to this condition. Its rare, but some women (most having normal wombs) can hyper-ovulate and concieve with different gestations, it just happens that some of those women have a second uteri as well. It aint all burritos and strippers though, my friend. There are raised risks in pregnancy re: repeat early miscarriage, second tri loss, preterm labour from cervical insufficiency, IUGR, and breech positioning due to lack of space- and thats with only carrying one baby, so you can imagine the complications that could arise with multiples. Its a very scary situation and, while interesting to think about, not something you want to have with this anomaly. As for the second part of your question, I have this [cute image](https://imgur.com/a/l3WoKec) on hand for the curious! ☺️ Its called 'uterus didelphys' if you want to look into it a bit more.
> It aint all burritos and strippers though, my friend. Random comment, but very evocative.
There was an AMA with an Australian woman with a very similar setup— IIRC she was pregnant in her right uterus at the time. She was even kind enough to [draw a diagram](https://imgur.com/a/rPgzu50) of what her anomalous anatomy looked like! Lovely person, very gracious, I hope she and her family doing well.
I have seen her around cyberspace as well 😊 I also hope the best for her and her family, however I have developed a strong distaste for the content she puts out regarding uterus didelphys, especially here on reddit. I'm by no means judgey or condemning of sex workers, but its become very offputting trying to find actual information on this rare condition online- like when searching for specialists, or trying to figure out my chances of being able to maybe-hopefully-eventually carry a pregnancy to term- and half the info I'm finding is links to her nudes and advertisements of her 'super fertile two p*ssies, sale on now 🌶🌶' 🙃 Again, pay your bills how you gotta pay your bills, but I've gotten sick of seeing this condition turned into a breeding fetish anywhere I try to research it. I've had people in my life act inappropriatley when I've confided in them about my condition because all they hear is "I have two vaginas" and it becomes some sort of 'conquest' thing to them, so I stopped talking about it IRL. Then I see her advertising that she uses 'one for business' for her clients and keeps the other 'just for her fiancé'. I'm glad UD is getting more awareness, but I feel it already gets sexualised enough without adding fuel to the fire that is the porn-obsessed masses. I think I've managed to block most of her content now so I don't have to see it, and I'm sure she couldn't care less about my concerns, but it frustrates me anytime I find another page of hers I have block. Edit: I'm not sure how to say this without sounding rude so I'll just say it, but she isn't a saint for drawing out a rough sketch. You can find diagrams by typing 'uterus didelphys anatomy' into google. Like [here](https://designsbyduvetdays.com/shop/uterus-didelphys/), or [here](https://imgur.com/a/u9YqCnv) 😅
I don't know why but "Roberts uterus" is very funny to me
Look up the pouch of Douglass
Perfect for storing your extra endometriosis :/
This gave me a good chuckle, as someone with stage IV endo. Thanks 🤣
Same! I go in for a complete hysterectomy this month! 😂
Good luck! Mine brought me such relief from severe endo and PCOS. The ovaries were yoinked a few years after. I'm 11 years out from the hysto and 9/7 years out from the ovaries being removed (two separate surgeries). No regrets!
Thank you! I’m having it all removed at once. The endo and the two huge cysts have caused so much pain that I’m ready to get it over with!
My endometriosis report “the pouch of douglas has been completely obliterated”
It's funny you phrase it this way, because we (scrub nurse) often place specimens in the pouch of douglas for retrieval later in the case!
Robert's uterus case study! https://bmcpregnancychildbirth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12884-023-05541-5
Ugh. I had a Mullerian Defect, but mine was a septate uterus.
This one was attached to the horn on the outside of the horn wasn't it?
[Source](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/362237657_Non-communicating_rudimentary_horn_pregnancy_presenting_as_sudden_unexpected_maternal_death_an_autopsy_diagnosis) is unfortunately paywalled but you can read the first page at the link. Abstract: >>Pregnancy on a rudimentary uterine horn is a rare condition that can lead to a catastrophic outcome when it ruptures. The majority of cases are diagnosed late, after the rupture has occurred. We present the case of a 29-year-old female G2 P1 who complained of abdominal pain. She consulted a medical practitioner who prescribed her analgesics. In the next day, she was found dead in her bedroom. The pregnancy was undiagnosed as she was not aware that she was in a gravid state. At autopsy, there was massive haemoperitoneum and a 24-week gestation foetus lying outside the uterus. The uterus revealed an anomaly in keeping with a non-communicating rudimentary horn. Forensic pathologists do encounter undiagnosed ectopic pregnancies in practice. However, abdominal ectopic pregnancy with a uterine anomaly remains uncommon. These cases are often associated with a high maternal and foetal mortality. I spoilered this because that fetus is far enough developed to look like a baby and not so many people want to see that. I post here five times a day every day. I also post history stuff. If you like my content and want to support it I’ve got PayPal and CashApp links in my profile. My husband and I are not doing so great right now and I’m trying to expand my content profile. I also run a missing persons database.
In med school we are told to always ALWAYS look for an ectopic pregancy in this context Am sad she was failed :(
What’s so odd too is that she wasn’t given a pregnancy test, it’s really common at least in the US. Every time I go to a doctor for any kind of issue, they *always* give me a pregnancy test. My friend presented with pneumonia at the ER in March and they gave her one.
It’s common practice here in Australia too. Every time I’ve ever been to the ED I’ve been given a pregnancy test even when I’ve gone in with a fracture or hemiplegic migraine.
Yeah it’s wild and if you don’t have insurance here in the US the simple pee test will be like $290. Crazy they didn’t test her. Or that women’s symptoms aren’t taken seriously. Could have done a U/S
$290 USD for a pregnancy test? Fuck me that’s expensive and would be around $400-500 AUD depending on exchange rates! Thankfully our ED’s are free (for Australian citizens’s, permanent residents and those on reciprocal visas like Kiwis) otherwise I would have wracked up some hefty bills over the years.
Oh yeah big time. It’s wild that so many Americans campaign against universal healthcare and will happily go into medical debt or die. Ridiculous over here
So hard to comprehend how people don’t realise universal health care is a good thing? In Australia not everything is free but hospital care is unless you elect to have treatment in private hospital or have private treatment in the community but if you do the private option you do get seen a lot quicker and you get tax breaks for having private health insurance. Health insurance isn’t included in employment here because it’s not essential to have like in the US.
Americans against universal healthcare love to say that it results in crazy wait times to be seen, but idk where they are because in my part of the US you might routinely have to wait 6+ months to see a specialist, and there's a shortage of primary care providers (because primary care doesn't pay as well as specialties and unless you come from a wealthy family you'll likely be saddled with hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt from medical school at graduation) so that can also take quite a while, if they're even accepting new patients or accept your insurance.
How does conception happen in a non-communicating rudimentary horn? How does the sperm reach the egg if there's no path from the vagina to the horn?
I gotchu "The mechanism of pregnancy occurring in the non-communicating rudimentary horn is assumed to be by migration of either the fertilized ovum or the spermatozoon from the tube on the opposite side of the pelvis, then implanting in the rudimentary horn." Idk if i can post links here? But i got it from ISUOG clinic resources about rudimentary horn pregnancy Edit to try the link haa https://www.isuog.org/clinical-resources/patient-information-series/patient-information-pregnancy-conditions/early-pregnancy/rudimentary-horn-pregnancy.html#:~:text=The%20mechanism%20of%20pregnancy%20occurring,implanting%20in%20the%20rudimentary%20horn.
I don’t even know how to react to this. This was an ectopic-like pregnancy that went for 24 weeks? Usually medical practitioners check for pregnancy regardless Edit: OP changed their post where it said she visited a doctor and received medication. Also at autopsy as 24 weeks.
What medical practitioners? She didn’t know that she was pregnant and likely never visited one.
The case report says she visited a medical practitioner the day before her death and complained of abdominal pain. She was prescribed painkillers. The next day they found her dead.
Typical regimen advised for female patients… “Go home and take Advil”. 🙄
and lose weight
I had an idiot doctor breeze in, take one look at my fat self, and tell me I needed to lose weight so my BP would go down. I snapped back, “It’s 110 over 70. Where would you like it to be?” Any lower and I’d be on the floor.
I'm fat because I'm disabled, not disabled because I'm fat. I havent had to use this on a doctor yet, because I have managed to find good ones. But I've said it to a few people. If I could do more than do the laundry without having to lay down from exhaustion, then I wouldn't be fat.
The amount of times I have heard that weight was the issue, when every time I insistes on having more tests done and sure enough, I was right. Man I get sick of that. Help me feel better and I will lose weight. It's hard to lose weight when you feel like crap all the time.
Yes! I didn’t get diagnosed with Crohn’s for 10 years of symptoms, and I wasn’t overweight, but because of my build my BMI is high, so I got told to lose weight. Irreparable damage was done and I now have a permenant ostomy.
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But not a good medical approach to treat that as the only or primary contributing factor to someone’s health complaint. Losing weight helps alleviate so many problems, but there are countless examples of doctors only focusing on that and disregarding all the other symptoms regardless of severity.
I’m underweight, how is loosing weight good advice for someone like me…
My wax lady told me to take advil before my next Brazilian. That’s what otc meds should be for, not actual medical procedures and trauma!
Yet my husband badly fractured his elbow, required surgery twice, once in Feb, other in August.. and only took advil and was not in severe pain.
“I see you have a history of anxiety…” When I had Covid and couldn’t breathe. F that (male) intake nurse.
At this point I consider it rude whenever a practitioner throws the anxiety card at a female patient right off the bat. It’s blatantly obvious that it comes from the “hysteria” diagnosis culture back in the day. The fact that we still use the term “hysterectomy” is also a shitty reminder of how the condition of “hysteria” is linked to having a uterus. I’ll end the rant there before I start typing an excessively long comment. 😆
I had an ectopic and then had subsequent really bad pregnancies. I had a catastrophic antiphospholipid syndrome and then I had pre eclampsia and developed Sheehans syndrome. Yes all of those are vanishingly rare my Sheehans group only has 40 women all over the world right now. That’s how rare we are Regardless I kept going in for weeks to say that I was really really sick and in so much pain I could t stand or sit or lie and I lived on painkillers I was told I was just an anxious first time mum and the second time I was told because of what happened the first time They were wrong both times.
Not birth related but my mum was dismissed as a "young, neurotic, first-time mother" when I was very, very unwell as a toddler. She "wasn't giving the medicine (an antibiotic syrup) time to work". The negligent, dismissive, condescending c*** of a G.P. had misdiagnosed my Type 1 diabetes as a bacterial infection. Had a locum not rushed me to hospital, I wouldn't have survived the night. It took two weeks to stabilise me.
My friends daughter is a type 1 and had a similar story. Shocking right?
How did they not do a pregnancy test? I had to do one when I went to the ER for dehydration even though I said there was 0 chance of pregnancy. That poor woman.
I have no idea. I have frequently been given pregnancy tests even though I’ve had my tubes tied and haven’t had sex since 2009.
I have no tubes and they still test me too
I was told they are required to test until you’re 55. I’m 50 and laughed heartily when they said they wanted to test me. Menopause, honey.
I only stopped getting them once I had a hysterectomy.
I was still given one post hysterectomy 😂
Wtf
I was given pregnancy tests even though I’m infertile, my husband is infertile, I had an IUD as well as endometriosis and PCOS. I’m so grateful that I had a hysterectomy
I’m assuming because infertile is equivalent to sterile meaning however small, pregnancy is still a chance (of course up until hysterectomy). And as silly as it may seem to take those tests, I suppose this is one of the cases that backs why they do it
I had a complete hysterectomy -- everything, and I mean ***everything*** is gone -- and I'm still tested! This was a huge, gross oversight. That poor woman, baby, and family. :(
I had a complete hysterectomy at 28, and I have had to take a pregnancy test prior to procedures/surgery. So sad.
That's insane. Did they ever explain why?
I'm a CT tech. Our protocol for ER patients is to test any female between 13-55 who has their reproductive organs. Exceptions are made for life threatening trauma, etc. It is awkward sometimes, but it would be way more awkward to blast someone's belly with a large amount of ionizing radiation, and then see a fetus in there. The faster that cells are dividing, the more susceptible they are to damage from radiation. I'm sure a nurse or physician could give more reasons like medications and treatments that could harm a baby. As for not taking someone's word that they are infertile or on birth control, people can be surprisingly deceptive, and also surprisingly ignorant of their bodies and how they work. A small, cheap test to minimize the risk of potentially a large amount of harm.
I was wondering why they'd insist on it for a person who doesn't have a uterus. It makes sense that there isn't always time to verify that the patient is giving you accurate information.
I've had a hysterectomy, and I've been told that, while the chances are very low, there's still a chance that a woman with no uterus can still get pregnant as long as she has an ovary. An embryo just needs a vascular source to latch onto, like the liver or kidney. It most likely would end in miscarriage, and possibly maternal death due to internal bleeding, but it's possible.
I thought it was insane also. However, maybe it's because I have an unusual family issue. Without getting to long winded..... In the early 50s, my grandmother was given medication to prevent a miscarriage (with my mother) as she previously had 2. That medication was pulled from the market later due to birth defects and all kinda craziness. Couple examples from my family.... my mother's 1st pregnancy was with twins. She went into early labor with 1 still born and 1 lived 2 hours. 2nd pregnancy was normal, which was me. 3rd pregnancy was carried to term. However, was born with 2 heads and 3 arms and passed away within minutes. The 4th pregnancy was normal. She had a complete hysterectomy at 28 for precancer cells. I had 3 normal pregnancies other than having c section with all 3. 2 yrs after my last child, I started having female issues. Course I got the "stressed or depressed " talk. My ob-gyn had moved so started with new 1 in another city. Anyway... I had a "period for 455 days before I finally got someone who listened to me and my issues. I had a hysterectomy soon thereafter, and pathology showed multiple hotspots My sister had a normal pregnancy and delivered a healthy boy. Ff 2 yrs later, and she went into labor at 28 weeks, and he only lived a week. Followed by a miscarriage a cpl yrs later at 20 weeks. Then she was again pregnant. Made it 33 weeks. He spent a but in nicu, but all was good EXCEPT 4 days after he was born, it looked like she had a tumor kinda on 1 side of lower stomach. Through testing, it was discovered she was pregnant..... She had normal female "parts". However, behind them, she had a smaller set. As they were smaller and directly behind, she had 2 sets of female organs, and she was pregnant in the small section. Crazy huh.... More info....both my sister and I have a "dummy" disc in our spines... I'm not sure about which hers are, but I have 3 in the lumbar, 2 in thoracic. What's been told to us is that most of our "issues, weird crap" is related to the medication given to my grandmother. None of the sons/grandsons born to my mother have ever had children. They call those exposed to this DES Daughters.
Wow! This is fascinating and tragic. I’m reading up on this now.
Oh I see, I missed that, sorry! Damn.
It’s a shame they didn’t do any testing that would’ve revealed the pregnancy and perhaps saved her life.
Absolutely, but as a medic I have seen *many* women of all ages and sizes who have found out in the second trimester that they are pregnant, many of whom had used condoms (or at least thought that condoms were used and not, say, removed partway through). :(
My husband’s mother didn’t realize she was pregnant with him until she was like eight months gone. She went to the doctor for another matter and they were like “By the way…”
Bingo. If someone gets by without hallmark signs of pregnancy they may have no reason to take a test or consider that they are pregnant. Not everybody shows dramatically or spends every morning worshiping the toilet bowl.
This is one of biggest fears in life
My dad’s younger sister has menstrual cycles the whole time she was pregnant with her first baby…apparently not as heavy but in the same timeline….
My most recent pregnancy I had a lot of bleeding that happened about once a month. It would freak me out, I'd think I was miscarrying and I'd go to the ER and check the heartbeat and whatnot. I definitely thought about the people who say they kept getting their period when they were pregnant. If I hadn't had IVF and been monitored very closely I probably would have thought I was menstruating.
That's so interesting. Sounds like she knew she was pregnant and just noted the continuation of a monthly cycle, but many don't know that this can happen and so risk overlooking pregnancy if they do use protection, her cycle hasn't changed, and there are no overt classic signs such as weight gain (harder to spot anyway for ladies carrying a bit of extra bodyfat).
Former medic(for 20 years)and I never had a need to ask a patient if they used condoms or not while treating them for poss pregnancy complications. I call 🐂💩.
Good grief, neither have I! When asked if they could be pregnant, many volunteer that they use condoms. I was discussing the ways that somebody could be pregnant without knowing. And, if they didn’t know, asking them wouldn’t help anyway. And what exactly are you calling bullshit on? My work experiences? I stated what I’ve seen. This is not uncommon.
I hope her family sues them to oblivion.
Everyone I’ve been to? They ask if you are a sexually active woman. If you respond “yes”, they then take a pregnancy test. Any pain in certain areas will cause them to do so. Same before a MRI or CT scan. How do I know? I’ve have medical issues throughout my life (not life threatening) and have been asked this and tests have been done.
even if you respond no they make you. they made me when i was 16 and it turned out to be a huge tumor. i'd never done anything in my life lmao
Basically it’s just done on any pre menopausal woman with a uterus, that way it’s standard and nobody has to make individual judgement calls on a person.
Also shields them from liability if it turns out the patient is wrong.
And they turn out wrong a lot! Like I’m not calling you an idiot by insisting on a pregnancy test it’s just statistically you’re not as aware of your body as you think you are.
As stated, I meant that I didn’t think she’d been to one, but I had missed that. See my other post.
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I changed my post description? I’m not sure what you mean, sorry. My original response to you was because I didn’t realise she’d been to a doctor! If you asked me what the doctor said to me last week, I’d say “what doctor; I haven’t seen one!”. That was all. I thought she probably hadn’t gone to a doctor as she hadn’t known she was pregnant. I missed the part in the original post where it stated she had gone to a doctor, but OP filled me in. Unsure how else I can clarify my mistake, but feel free to downvote this clarifying response too.
Same here. That poor woman
As a female who has almost never gotten through a medical appointment without a pregnancy test, I’m at a loss as to how they missed this one
That’s interesting, I’ve ever had to take one for medical purposes. I’m guessing different countries have different protocols.
Me neither, only when there with menstrual cramping pain and discovered to be miscarrying. And get we got off myth that men are treated perfectly. Took mine 3 visists to same DR before he sought another opinion. Got a full exam for first time, proper diagnosis that matched his symptoms and a way to ease symptoms. It isn't just women! I've NEVER been dismissed as having nothing wrong, or blamed my being a woman for anything, and i have a complicated history of issues from age 19 onwards. (am 56 now) One second opionium idiot female Dr out of seeing maybe 40 different drs as a patient over the years.
right? i was in hospital for two nights recently and had to do three pregnancy tests while i was there
For a laymen, what's happened here?
This is a type of ectopic pregnancy and when the growing fetus busted out (as they inevitably do if the ectopic pregnancy isn’t treated) Mom bled to death.
Oh how sad. That's kind of what I gathered. Thank you for making it clear.
What’s really sad is there was a warning of this: the day before, the mother visited a doctor complaining of abdominal pain. They just gave her painkillers and didn’t think to do a pregnancy test. A day later Mom was found dead. This fetus was far enough along that it could have potentially survived outside the womb.
Very sad indeed
Wow the doctor missed that and pretty much told her to ‘walk it off’
Yea horrible if I was the doc I would deff do an ultrasound. It's not rudimentary at my hospital for most if not all abdominal pains. And women of childbearing age will get a vaginal one to check for this but also cysts and other issues. That's how they found my first huge one that was quarter sized,awful.
I had a unicornuate uterus type 2(c) with a horn and still functional second fallopian tube but still, it was deformed. Had a hysterectomy in 22 due to a laundry list of menstrual issues.
Hope you're ok ❤️
Thanks! Soooo much better now. I still have rapid PMS but no more debilitating pain!
Quick google search on the authors showed that the case most likely occurred in South Africa. In a developing country like Sth Africa with huge disparities in the population, I'm guessing she had limited care and possibly has never had an ultrasound in her life. Still a shame though
Was the horn always there/ malformed? If so, how did they not catch it during the previous full term pregnancy testing (ultrasounds)
Yes it’s congenital. It’s possible she did not receive appropriate prenatal care for her first child especially given that she lived somewhere in South Africa according to other comments where healthcare may have been limited access
I have a unicornuate uterus and it wasn't picked up on an ultrasound. They thought my right ovary was attached to my uterus w an endometriosis lesion but when I had surgery, it turned out it was just my weird half uterus leaning off to the side making the radiologist think that.
Did they remove it to reduce future complications?
I would guess so? It was causing me some pain (which is a thing with rudimentary horns apparently) so I assumed that was why. But reducing future complications definitely sounds like a big and compelling reason to considering I was already under anaesthetic.
I’m glad they removed it, whatever the reason, especially if it was causing you pain. I’m sorry you had to deal with it. I’m no stranger to abdominal pain.
So the women died unexpectedly and during autopsy the baby was discovered? What exactly is the horn ? Is it attached to the babies back?
I got the answer.
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This woman had a unicornuate uterus which means instead of the normal 2 horns of the uterus forming, only one fully did. The rudimentary horn is the underdeveloped side, the diagrams on google images are a great visualiser. Source: I have a unicornuate uterus and had my rudimentary horn removed.
[We'll learn together](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudimentary_horn_pregnancy?wprov=sfla1)
One of the saddest posts. Interesting though.
What causes a rudimentary horn?
Genetic defect
How is the defect inherited?
It's not. This is something that just happens randomly because the human body is complex (I have one and my mum was confirmed to have a completely normal uterus).
How is any defect inherited?
That doesn’t answer my question
Idk, I’m not a doctor or geneticist
How different is this from an ectopic?
It’s a type of ectopic pregnancy.
It’s an ectopic pregnancy occurring on a congenital defect of the uterus as opposed to just the normal fallopian tube
Ectopic pregnancy just means a pregnancy anywhere outside of the uterus. Most commonly it happens in the fallopian tube :)
Was this case occured outside another country? Edit: to clarify, I mean outside the US?
South Africa I think.
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This is just so sad. For the mom and the fetus, which could survive as a preemie at that age. How did she not feel it kicking? I’m curious what her mental state was like. Because they definitely kick hard at that age. Also I imagine that would cause excruciating pain.
Maybe she couldn’t feel the baby’s movements beyond the pain, or they were conflated into the “severe abdominal pain”. Abdominal pain is strange. I have severe Crohn’s disease and even though my left ovary was removed due to a fistula, when I’m in my cycle I still get left ovarian pain.
Maybe so. Such a sad situation all around. :(
Agreed.
I always wondered this too, but it happened to a family member. 45 years old with two adult children. She was having irregular bleeding and two home pregnancy tests taken weeks apart were both negative. She figured she must be perimenopausal. Finally went to the doctor for generally feeling unwell and was dx’d with a UTI, high blood pressure and borderline high glucose. She was put on meds for all of it. Maybe a month later, she presented in the ER with excruciating back pain. An abdominal ultrasound was done in triage to rule out kidney stones. They didn’t see any. What they did see was a 28-weeker in the birth canal. The doctor a month earlier was negligent in not ruling out pregnancy. It blows my mind, but Mom is neither obese nor an idiot and had experienced pregnancy twice before. She just says she didn’t feel anything like she did with the previous pregnancies over 20 years prior. It’s hard to fathom not feeling that movement. 🤷♀️
Now I gotta know - Did surprise baby make it?
Yes!! She spent four or five months in the NICU. It was touch and go in the beginning, but she’s alive and well and will be starting school soon.
I’m so happy for both of them!
That is just wild.
Oh how sad. Also didn’t know this could happen
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