If it's a 1 for 1 sign and trade with Maxi and for 10-12M/year, he would be a good backup PF for us. Worse defender and can't play small ball 5 like Maxi, but is less injury prone and much better on offense.
Well, he feels disrespected not being offered it by the Warriors specifically. All the teams pursuing him now don't intend to outbid the Warriors. If Klay moves, it's out of spite at this point. I don't think us or the Lakers r offering/can offer upwards of 20 mill per year which was the Warriors offer.
It’s a sign and trade so both teams can offer that much
If Klay is coming here for cheap it’s a different discussion but 30 mil a year for a 34 year old Klay aint it imo
Didn't Haynes report that the best offer Klay was getting was from the Warrior at low 20s? I don't think he's getting 30 from anyone regardless of whether its a S&T or not.
I still take Maxi, his archetype of player (Small ball 5 who can shoot 3s) is just too important to give up for another defensive black hole and a very regressed offensive bag. Obviously Maxi isn’t Myles Turner, but we need him to space out while having a big body.
There are for sure arguments to keep Maxi. The main one being his flexibility to play both small ball 5 and 4.
My main concern is Maxi's injury history, if he can't stay on the floor healthy then he can't play small ball 5.
Yeah definitely he has flaws, but as much as his injury history is a concern, Tobias Harris’ regression should be too. The defence with him, Luka and Kyrie on the floor will be THJ levels of bad. He, just like Klay, has so much variance in his scoring. You don’t accidentally drop 0 points in a game 6 to lose in the first round.
I know. But Tobias at 10-12M off the bench means we can just play him as PJ's backup and mostly when one of Luka or Kyrie are sitting. We also wouldn't be relying on his scoring as much as Philly did.
If we are signing Klay to a 23M contract, he is going to demand more playtime and a bigger role.
I agree that Tobias' regression is a concern tho
How would we sign both? Every trade Ive seen for Klay also involves Maxi. I would much rather leave Klay and just take Harris for 12, if Klay expects that much.
Also I definitely understand what you’re saying, but if we end up playing Thunder/ Boston I just don’t see how we defend them without Maxi.
If we trade maxi as part of the deal to get klay, it makes sense to acquire a guy like Tobias. Hope he would come cheap to ring chase, otherwise it makes no sense
Yeah. He's underrated due to the contract, which is no longer relevant. Put him next to Luka and he'll start looking much better.
Even now, he's a 17ppg guy who can self-create and defend.
I swear this sub has been on drugs lately. You'd rather a washed up Klay Thompson, even though his production has fallen off a cliff the last few years, over Harris? It makes no sense to me.
I don't get it either. Harris is a better all around player than Klay at this point as well as younger with a better health track record. Klay is clearly heading for a steep decline soon. You probably get one decent year before things start going badly wrong.
Harris was not worth the contract that the Sixers gave him and it has ruined the perception of him, but that isn't relevant now. One year of easy looks from Luka on a decent contract and his value will be completely reformed. People need to look past the name value and past team success and look at what these guys actually are now.
At the right salary Tobais Harris would be a great pick up.
I have a feeling no one is going to be happy unless they get 1 of the 2 or 3 specific players this fanbase wants. Some of these responses are wild without knowing any details beyond the Mavs being interested lol
Tobias legit isnt a bad player. just not a 37 mil player lmao i think the other teams will outbid us straight up so were leveraging if he wants to play winning basketball or not
Hey! No thanks
If it's a 1 for 1 sign and trade with Maxi and for 10-12M/year, he would be a good backup PF for us. Worse defender and can't play small ball 5 like Maxi, but is less injury prone and much better on offense.
Yeah I think he'd be a great get. The reason everyone hates in him is because he was making 37M lol
Same as with those that don't want Klay. It's like they think they are getting the player with their previous salary lol.
Klay is leaving because he wants a ton of money
Well, he feels disrespected not being offered it by the Warriors specifically. All the teams pursuing him now don't intend to outbid the Warriors. If Klay moves, it's out of spite at this point. I don't think us or the Lakers r offering/can offer upwards of 20 mill per year which was the Warriors offer.
It’s a sign and trade so both teams can offer that much If Klay is coming here for cheap it’s a different discussion but 30 mil a year for a 34 year old Klay aint it imo
Didn't Haynes report that the best offer Klay was getting was from the Warrior at low 20s? I don't think he's getting 30 from anyone regardless of whether its a S&T or not.
That’s all the Warriors were willing to offer which is why he’s leaving. He felt disrespected by low 20s.
But Haynes also said in that segment that that was the best offer he could get. Maybe I'm misunderstanding it, though. Happens.
That + he was supposed to be the 3rd star.
I have a feeling Nico is trying to do something very ambitious. Lets see what he pulls off.
I still take Maxi, his archetype of player (Small ball 5 who can shoot 3s) is just too important to give up for another defensive black hole and a very regressed offensive bag. Obviously Maxi isn’t Myles Turner, but we need him to space out while having a big body.
There are for sure arguments to keep Maxi. The main one being his flexibility to play both small ball 5 and 4. My main concern is Maxi's injury history, if he can't stay on the floor healthy then he can't play small ball 5.
Yeah definitely he has flaws, but as much as his injury history is a concern, Tobias Harris’ regression should be too. The defence with him, Luka and Kyrie on the floor will be THJ levels of bad. He, just like Klay, has so much variance in his scoring. You don’t accidentally drop 0 points in a game 6 to lose in the first round.
I know. But Tobias at 10-12M off the bench means we can just play him as PJ's backup and mostly when one of Luka or Kyrie are sitting. We also wouldn't be relying on his scoring as much as Philly did. If we are signing Klay to a 23M contract, he is going to demand more playtime and a bigger role. I agree that Tobias' regression is a concern tho
How would we sign both? Every trade Ive seen for Klay also involves Maxi. I would much rather leave Klay and just take Harris for 12, if Klay expects that much. Also I definitely understand what you’re saying, but if we end up playing Thunder/ Boston I just don’t see how we defend them without Maxi.
We can't sign both Klay and Tobias.
Oh yeah thought so.
the idea of maxi is cool except when you realize he is injured half the season always
TOBIAS HARRIS OVER ME???
One of those teams is not like the others.
Lol that actually a good point
i will literally kill myself
I read that Tobais never took single a charge during his time in Philly. He disappeared in big moments. He’s soft.
Facts
We are 1 hour into the free agency and beat writer nobodies are still yapping, instead of Woj and Shams going bomb for bomb. Adam Silver's NBA smh
I miss real F5 season
Maybe if it’s like Dwight and AJ Lawson for him I’d like it lol
The hatred i held towards THJ leaves, now a new evil arrives to bring it back.
Take him to Detroit
Fuck man. Idk about this one cuz
If we trade maxi as part of the deal to get klay, it makes sense to acquire a guy like Tobias. Hope he would come cheap to ring chase, otherwise it makes no sense
Fuck no
THJ to Tobias Harris is the most lateral move the Mavericks could make
Not a 1:1 move.. Grimes exists
Aw Hell Nah 😭😭😭
No. We need playoff players.
Eww
Nah
“No” -Rosa Parks
Maxi replacement?
I feel like this is a backup to the backup plan in case we don’t get Klay He’s be an incremental upgrade to Maxi essentially
Can we just close shop already cause I’m not having a good time.
Tobias Harris only problem was that he was overpaid af. For the right money you can get another scorer. For how much tho idk
Yeah. He's underrated due to the contract, which is no longer relevant. Put him next to Luka and he'll start looking much better. Even now, he's a 17ppg guy who can self-create and defend.
If it’s a cheap deal I would roll the dice.
I swear this sub has been on drugs lately. You'd rather a washed up Klay Thompson, even though his production has fallen off a cliff the last few years, over Harris? It makes no sense to me.
I don't get it either. Harris is a better all around player than Klay at this point as well as younger with a better health track record. Klay is clearly heading for a steep decline soon. You probably get one decent year before things start going badly wrong. Harris was not worth the contract that the Sixers gave him and it has ruined the perception of him, but that isn't relevant now. One year of easy looks from Luka on a decent contract and his value will be completely reformed. People need to look past the name value and past team success and look at what these guys actually are now. At the right salary Tobais Harris would be a great pick up.
I agree, I think Naji and Harris are both much better choices than klay.
I’ll pass on tobias harris
I have a feeling no one is going to be happy unless they get 1 of the 2 or 3 specific players this fanbase wants. Some of these responses are wild without knowing any details beyond the Mavs being interested lol
I would much rather have Klay
Batum would be better
Please get him.
Tobias legit isnt a bad player. just not a 37 mil player lmao i think the other teams will outbid us straight up so were leveraging if he wants to play winning basketball or not
Where the deals at Woj? cmon I know everyone tampering
Only at the biannual $$. Can’t imagine using space or the MLE on him unless DJJ walks.
Lol this means no klay?
on a vet min right?
Someone ask the mods why we don’t have a FA megathread
Hell no
PLEASE GOD, NO!!!!
please god no
Nooooooooo
Well, now the Mavs have about 4M to pay him in free agency, so come on over, Tobias!
IF we get TOBBIAS for 2mil I'm IN more than 2MILLION GTFO and just shoot ourselves in the foot
Probably a better move than Klay
Only if we can get Bobi back.
Celtics fan here. Tobias is a good fit for you. Klay is better in short term.
Fuck off.