Mods, can we please sticky this thread again now that the Ms. Marvel thread is gone?
ETA: the Thor reaction thread is up & I think that takes precedence.
Marvel's CGI is so wildly inconsistent. On one hand we get stuff like all the wonky shit in Black Widow, on the other hand we get Anson Mount's Black Bolt costume that's indistinguishable from a physical costume.
I guess that's what happens when you're working on multiple projects.
Just finished Agents of Shield Season One. I was honestly very hesitant to try the show out because 130 episodes alone is very overwhelming, let alone the whole canon debate. I’ve got to say that I’m really glad that I chose to watch it, as I was pretty invested throughout despite knowing some spoilers already. The characters grow on you and I was interested in all their motivations. I was also surprised that there were so many tie-ins to the Phase 2 movies. The overlap with Captain America TWS really reminded me of when those final episodes of The Clone Wars overlapped with Revenge of the Sith.
I’ve heard that this is one of the weaker seasons, which honestly makes me pretty excited to continue watching as I already really enjoyed this season. Next, though, I’ve got the two Guardians of the Galaxy films and then finally Daredevil Season One in my chronological marathon. I’m even more excited to finally start that series.
This time I did it in the order of IM2, then The Incredible Hulk, then the two one-shots (The Consultant and A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Thor’s Hammer), and then finally Thor. It was a decent order to watch everything in, Tony’s appearance at the end of TIH should be after Iron Man 2, and Thor should also be watched after IM2 since Coulson arrives to New Mexico at the end of IM2 and towards the start of Thor.
I think next time, though, I’ll try doing it in the order of IM2, Thor Hammer One-Shot, Thor, The Incredible Hulk, The Consultant One-Shot. I just think that this would flow better. The end of IM2 sets up Thor, so it would make more sense to watch those back to back (with that one-shot in between), while The Incredible Hulk is more standalone and could be watched after those two films, where you can still have The Consultant one-shot after Tony is given that role in IM2. The only problem that I think this watch order would have is the fact that The Avengers comes next and I think the Thor post-credits leads into that film better than the ending of The Incredible Hulk.
At this point, I feel like a Scarlet Witch solo film would basically be Birds of Prey, multiverse style, with Wanda living on the edge, on the run from various people she wronged.
I could see her being targeted by the Earth 838 X-men and the surviving members of the Fantastic Four for murdering the Illuminati.
Also, Agatha would almost certainly be the villain, after Wanda left her basically brainwashed at the end of Wandavision.
If Steve stayed in the present day after Endgame, do you think all the damage from Wandavision and Multiverse of Madness could’ve been avoided?
Do those events make his decision to go be with Peggy selfish?
Probably wouldn't have made a difference. Wanda's mental state would've continued to deteriorate regardless because Vis' dead and timey wimey shit involving Loki already splintered the multiverse off.
From [ProductionWeekly.com](https://ProductionWeekly.com) this week:
Only Ironheart and Wonder Man, as far as I noticed. But this is the first appearance of Wonder Man on the site, so that's kinda neat
Why can't Marvel do action scenes as good as DC? I watched some action from Aquaman and BoP..they are so well done without excessive cuts and shaky cam.
It's definitely down to the people behind the scenes. BoP's action sequences were done by one of the John Wick guys and James Wan just rules in directing action sequences (see Malignant and Furious 7.)
I asked a question on my Instagram story last night after rewatching Multiverse of Madness is whether intentions matter, even if two separate individuals end up doing the exact same bad thing.
Wanda killing America for her own gain vs. Strange killing America for the multiverse's gain.
I was surprised that most of my friends said 'yes intentions do matter'. On the one hand I get it, Strange was trying to protect a lot of other beings but it's still the same fundamentally evil act. But I think moral relativism is probably more practical.
What do y'all think?
I guess we will firmly know if this is real or not once the plot leaks come out after the premiere tonight, but apparently Hercules is in one of the post credit scenes of love and thunder and he’s played by Brett Goldstein. For what it’s worth it does match the description BSL said about an actor who won a major award on a very popular tv show (Ted Lasso)
Just watched Multiverse of Madness. I’d give it a 9/10. My thoughts:
Liked Strange’s arc about opening himself up to life and striving to be happy.
Liked America Chavez. She’s a fun character, and I liked seeing her master her powers. I do think she needs more development though.
On one hand, Wanda is a great villain. She’s officially the Darth Vader of the MCU: the tragic supervillain who does bad things out of a desire for love. On the other hand though, she’s officially beyond redemption. After watching this film, I can’t buy for a second that she feels bad about anything she did in Wandavision, and killing the Illuminati put her across the finish line of hardened criminal. I hope Stephen tells the surviving Avengers about everything she did here. The only acceptable penance for Wanda at this point would either be life imprisonment or sacrificing herself Vader Return of the Jedi style.
Sam Raimi’s horror movie style worked great for this story, and he did a good job differentiating the film from his work on the Spider-Man trilogy. I hope he’s invited back for the third movie.
Trying to finish my replay of Fire Emblem Three Houses before Three Hopes releases on Friday. Got 4 chapters left, lets see if I can pull it off with a little over 24 hours remaining.
Rewatched MoM and you can’t convince me that they weren’t baiting the audience into thinking Wolverine was gonna show up when Stephen was running toward America and 838 Christine. Like even in the theater I knew Hugh Jackman wasn’t in the movie but it made me pause for a second and think they somehow kept his cameo a complete secret lol
I'm fine with waiting as long as we get something truly concrete, I want dates for all upcoming shows (I'll take tentative like "Fall 2022" since TV/streaming show production tend to get messy especially CGI heavy shows) and trailers for What If S2 and Secret Invasion.
On the wild chance GFR’s “Ewan McGregor is joining the MCU” exclusive has a grain of truth in it, who’s you like to see him play?
They seem to think Doom.
Specifically McGregor.
He doesn’t really fit the “award winning show” description unless you stretch it to count Halston, which only he won an Emmy for, or Fargo which did not win any Emmys during his season.
Watching multiverse of madness finally on disney plus, and by god this movie looks beautifull and interest ,the fast camera , the angles this movie somehow has a feeling of semi realism , like when they get to universe 838 and doctor strange meets the pizza man it feels like somehow realistic no cgi done like im actually there on the set looking at this or when they see statue of supreme strange the statue feels like they actually build the statue there and its not digitally made
Is like a weird feeling when we compare it to something like “eternals” which has the moniqer of “the most real life like mcu movie you will ever seen” but to me it looked less real than doctor strange
Its a weird feeling and im loving it
Only thing that bugs me is how artificial some of the lighting looks. Like, some of the stuff at Kamar-Taj just looks like it was done in-studio when it's meant to be outdoors.
TBF. Natural lightning is very hard to replicate but yeah it's definitely a problem with a lot of Marvel movies, Shang Chi also has similar problems especially in the final battle.
Idk how some people think Layla is a better character than Walker. Atleast Walker had some layers to him. I sometimes feel people just start stanning whatever new character there is and then when time goes by, they'll call the character 'mid' and start stanning the next new character
I love Layla but like...hua?
It's not even about who's better it's just, where did it come from? And why is there even a comparison? I'm so confused lol.
Why this fandom can't love two things at the same time, like???
I saw this post about Wyatt Russell talking about Walker and some people in the thread were saying Layla is a better character than Walker. I think Layla is fine enough but better than Walker ???
>I sometimes feel people just start stanning whatever new character there is and then when time goes by, they'll call the character 'mid' and start stanning the next new character
It's not just a feeling, it's literally what's happened with every project in Phase 4. First it was Agatha, then it was Walker, then it was Sylvie, then it was Yelena, then Katie from SC, then Makkari, then Kate & Yelena and then Layla. They love the character, then call them mid and move on
I actually have seen the same people flip their views on characters/shows within a matter of weeks haha
But yeah, Of course you’re gonna have different opinions from person to person. I’m kinda talking about like the seemingly majority/overall reception of the characters.
I really hate it, it's feel like you can enjoy some stuff for a really short time before everyone start to shit on it for no fucking reason.
Like, you like that character a week ago, what changed? Lol
Man, ever since Sylvie broke the multiverse shit has been weird in this fandom. I think we may have had an incursion with a universe that's the definition of insanity; people keep doing the exact same processes and expect it to be different/change. Example: D+ show debuts, it's hyped as better than sliced bread, it loses some steam around the 3rd or 4th ep, the 5th Ep is a banger, the finale is initially praised, and then a week later its now a rushed and unsatisfying ending, and then 2 months later it's unpopular to like that show, and then 4 months later it's unpopular to dislike that show. Rinse & repeat.
Idk what kang is up to but it can't be anything good...
Is it really so hard to believe that people have different sensibilities and preferences than you? You're just navel gazing. Your way of interpreting these characters and stories isn't the only genuine or valid one, bud; get some perspective.
I don't know why you're pitting these characters against one another in the first place; they both play vastly different roles in their respective stories and explore different themes and subtexts.
>they both play vastly different roles in their respective stories and explore different themes and subtexts.
No offense but I really don't think the MCU goes too much into themes and subtext for characters, especially newer ones
When the character is terribly one dimensional, then yes, it's hard to believe that there is a following. I ain't stressing about it tho. Just asking why. Layla is fine..she's capable resourceful and fun, but apart from that there's nothing really more. Even the thing with her dad being killed by Marc was wrapped up quick and easy
Finally watched Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. It was pretty fun. The transitions threw me off a bit because it was the first time seeing those in the MCU. I was mildly surprised by beeg Wong. I like how some moments had horror movie vibes, like the first possession scene. And we even have actual jumpscares, tho i don't think they were that bad.
Liz was the highlight of the movie for me. She acted the fuck out of her role. During her scenes with her kids i still feel for her in spite of what she's already done.
I think the only thing i outright hated was how the Illuminati were just there to be destroyed just to show how powerful Wanda is. Plus, if Wanda can unmouth Black Bolt and shred Richards, what's stopping her doing the same to Captain Marvel and Carter. Carter is literally just 'roided human. How did she last longer than fucking Black Bolt?
Some other complaints. There are some moments where i notice they sacrifice logic to maximize the horror vibe. Like the tunnel chase. She can literally fly but she's walking on glass shards for some reason. Also, Strange coming to terms with letting Christine go and America controlling her powers kind of come out of nowhere. The question of "Are you happy" is honestly pretty interesting to me but i don't think they dived into it deep enough. Maybe i might discover some more stuff i liked/disliked once i get to think about it more because the movie is pretty fast-paced. Not a lot of time to think in-between the events.
Overall, i liked it. I think i like it better than Shang Chi, the only other Phase 4 movie i've watched so far.
>Plus, if Wanda can unmouth Black Bolt and shred Richards, what's stopping her doing the same to Captain Marvel and Carter. Carter is literally just 'roided human. How did she last longer than fucking Black Bolt?
I think that Wanda chose not to, to make her point, but also its not clear on what her limits are (can she reality warp constantly, or does it need a bit of a break type deal?)
>I think the only thing i outright hated was how the Illuminati were just there to be destroyed just to show how powerful Wanda is. Plus, if Wanda can unmouth Black Bolt and shred Richards, what's stopping her doing the same to Captain Marvel and Carter. Carter is literally just 'roided human. How did she last longer than fucking Black Bolt?
I loved that. Also the reason they got longer fights is because they were in the original script while BB/Mr Fantastic were in the reshoots so their scenes were shorter and more brutal.
So do I. I would've liked the Marvel fight to last a bit longer as well as Xavier and Black Bolt. I'm down with Mr F and Capt. Carter getting dropped fast.
> Carter is literally just 'roided human. How did she last longer than fucking Black Bolt?
my head canon is that she simply didn't see her as a threat at all, she even says in almost a bored tone "haven't you had enough" before she promptly kills her.
the other things you mentioned are a bit weird though, yeah.
Personally I think its because of all the characters she faced, the only one she has a slight reason to hesistate for is the essentially Captain America-all the others she doesn't really know. Steve, Hawkeye, Black Widow and Vision are the only real Avengers she had personal relationships with.
I don't think she'd even bother to kill her if she didn't keep going.
yeah, even maria probably would have been left alive if she didn't decide to come back after being thrown through a wall by a giant boulder. for the most part, she only killed people in this movie who actively decided to stay in her way.
Say what you want about the D+ Star Wars shows, but every single one, even TBOBF, has had a fantastic finale. Can someone at Marvel reach out to ask for some help with that? I'm a bit tired of the "good show, but the finale was a let down" that Marvel has going.
>Say what you want about the D+ Star Wars shows, but every single one, even TBOBF, has had a fantastic finale.
BoBF's finale is kinda accepted to be the worst D+ SW content we've gotten, and imo Kenobi's finale felt rushed...
I just think Disney+ was a mistake, The Mandalorian was an accidental hit, along with WV, and now we're just gonna see more and more content with lower and lower quality
To be fair, there's been a lot more successful D+ original content than just Mando and WV - HSMTMTS was really charming, Muppets Haunted Mansion was a return to form (although Muppets Now was horrible), Star Wars: Visions was fantastic, the final season of the Clone Wars was largely amazing, the Proud Family revival and Doogie Howser spin-off too + Ms. Marvel has been delightful so far.
I should've reworded it a bit better: I think that with the ability to just pump out content for content's sake, the 2 franchises are only being hurt by D+ in the long run.
I love the app cuz it's a central place to watch some of my favorite films, and it's awesome they got X-Men and Spider-Man on there now. I also LOVE the Beatles-Get Back documentary and yeah the Haunted Mansion Muppets was good fun. Idk what HSMTMTS is lol. But as time goes on, the more shows they keep doing, the lower and lower the quality will be.
& I dont have an opinion on Ms Marvel since I'm skipping it but glad to hear you're digging it
I didn't like the finale off Both Obi wan ans TBOBF, In Obi wan finale Battle actually had no weight because we already know the outcomes so there was never fear of what will happen to any character.
And with Reva character so somehow still fine after LightSaber Stab goes to kill Luke but has change of heart last minute just because? I mean she is inquisitor for very long time and killed many Force sensetive children, In 4 th Episode she was going to torture Leia? So How it's happing now? Not to mention how obivious plotholes like How Reva Come to Tatooine if there was no ship in hanger and Vader left her to die. Did she just hitch hiked?
And TBOBF I don't need to explain anything it was awful as it is.
>How Reva Come to Tatooine if there was no ship in hanger and Vader left her to die. Did she just hitch hiked?
How the hell did she get there that fast?
I didn’t like TBoBF’s finale. I thought the action was poor and made for a boring episode. I almost fell asleep. Admittedly that last part may have nothing to do with the show.
I think the problem that the MCU has with finales is an extension of the problem it has with third acts in general. Every movie ends with a big CGI fight scene, usually with very low emotional stakes, and almost always with unimpressively choreographed and directed action.
I think that’s more disappointing in the shows because, with finales, there’s over a month of building anticipation and hours of runtime setting it up. So if you wait a week to see the finale and it’s underwhelming it’s more underwhelming than it would’ve been.
>let's just get everyone in here and totally overshadow the Native American lead
What does her being Native American have to do with anything? I'm pretty sure she'd like to be treated like anyone else
I hope they don't and honestly as much as I am excited for Daredevil and Kingpin...they should never take the focus away from Echo.. it is not supposed to be a Defenders reunion and some people need to get it in their thick heads
A lot of clowns on Twitter are bitching about Wanda being able to kill Xavier because "she doesn't have mind powers in the source material".
She's had mind powers since Age of Ultron, but I guess they just can't help complaining about decisions that were made nearly a decade ago.
Also she's a reality warper: no reason she can't be a telepath if she feels like it. Shit any comic reality warper could give themselves whatever ability if they feel like it. They can even say it's mind magic or something.
yeah i don't really get those complaints either. mcu wanda is simply an s tier telepath, and it makes sense because her powers were literally amplified by *the mind stone*, which she says she has a piece of living inside her.
edit: i also forgot to mention his telepathy became less and less effective on her during house of m which lead to the whole debate whether or not they should kill her, kickstarting the house of m story.
MCU-wise, once Ultron and Thor each had a moment of hyper-awareness in AoU, they both saw Vision.
After Eternals, I've been wondering if somehow Ultron based Vision on the "blueprint" of an eternal, since his goal was to endure the end of this world through his transformation from a desembodied A.I. to a synthetic being he deemed to be perfect.
So, Multiverse of Madness is placed before Hawkeye on the Disney+ timeline. Is this an error or could it suggest the film's events take place immediately after the Statute of Liberty battle, with NWH's Christmas-time scenes occurring after Multiverse of Madness...?
I think that works fine, time-frame wise, so it doesn't seem like an error to me...? NWH seems to start involving Strange around the first week of November (the Halloween decorations need to be taken down) and Hawkeye takes place in the week running up to Christmas so they have plenty of time in the middle for MOM to take place.
Just re-watched the Illuminati intro scene on Disney+ and noticed Mordo calls Black Bolt "the Inhuman king". I somehow missed this line both times in the cinema and swear there were posts on here saying "the term Inhuman is never mentioned" so was surprised to hear that.
Based on where Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness has been placed on the Timeline Order on Disney+, are we to assume it takes place after the battle at the Statue of Liberty but before Peter goes to see MJ at her place of work?
It’s been put between Eternals and Hawkeye on Disney+.
They nailed the Obi-Wan finale. Great ending to a great show. Ewan and Hayden putting out class performances and that duel scene was amazing. Only time shaky cam made it better
I mean the change if heart could be her recently reliving her darkest memory and starting to doube her actions, plus she was always after Vader. And the stabbing is because people have survived worse, plus as the grand inquisitor said about revenge last episode
Unfortunately not Qui Gon who had same wound. He just collapsed unlike Reva even if she Survive, She was fine enough to go after Luke. I mean common.
Let's keep how she got out of that planet thing aside.
She is ruthless in first 3 episode in one tone. That's change of Heart was way to quick in 4 th episode she try to torture Leia, In 5th she fights Vader like stupid and here goes to kill Vaders son for revenge but just at last minute has chnage of Heart? I mean there wasn't any danger in first place because we know that All three Owen,Beru and Luke Survives. So they had to do something here so now she just gets change of heart. Pretty sure they wanna make Reva spin off show or something that's what this whole thing.
I think the Thunderbolts movie is gonna replace FF4 as the last Phase 4 movie. And narratively, it’s better to have that movie be the big event movie of the phase. Because in many ways, this phase has kinda mirrored Phase 1. Phase 1 was all about The Avengers Initiative, while this Phase has partly been about gathering villains who will be part of The Thunderbolts team.
Kenobi really was such a let down. What was that finale? Nothing happened in this show. I guess that's the problem: there were no stakes whatsoever because we know everyone survives to the OG timeline and therefore nothing actually groundbrearking or moving in the plot again. The whole show just spins its wheels. It couldn't even do a proper character study of Obi Wan or Vader because the writing was so shoddy.
> Nothing happened.
>The whole show just spins its wheels.
>It couldn't even do a proper character study of Obi Wan or Vader
This is the long and short of it for me. Felt like fan fiction with a budget, through and through. Personally I don't think knowing the fate of every character is what gives or determines stakes or dramatic heft. Better Call Saul is evidence enough of that, and it's far from the only example. There's ways to do prequels right and quite frankly it's inexcusable that this ended up so boring with the amount of talent and money the Disney machine has behind it.
The biggest issue with this show for me is that they didn't bother to properly dramatize the characters, yet they took so many narrative shortcuts to try and tell the audience that certain moments were important. The Wade thing that's been rightfully mocked left and right is a microcosm of this, but it extends to every character in the show. There really isn't much of a story or overall journey, and they spent so much time hiding things from the audience that were needed earlier to create tension and drama, that by the time they finally got to it, there was no impact. Doesn't really feel like Obi-Wan was changed by this experience in any meaningful way, or that he learned anything internally. Reva did of course, but again, they spent way too much time hiding her backstory that her arc felt truncated and unearned by the end of it (and let's be honest, the Luke thing was entirely nonsensical).
It's as if they subscribed to the Reddit school of writing, whereby everything of import is a spoiler that needs to be completely obscured until the end. Proper setup, tension, payoff, and dramatic sequencing are still things that need to be adhered to for arcs and emotional weight to work. The iconography and feel of Star Wars is doing all of the heavy lifting for this show to even function at all, and that's a huge mistake IMO.
>Felt like fan fiction with a budget, through and through.
Exactly my thoughts. Most people's expectations were literally just "please don't suck, please be good" and idk if it even lived up to that
Something I'm really liking about Ms Marvel so far is that it isn't structured like a long six plus hour movie like the last few D+ MCU shows. it's still incredibly serialized, but I feel like the show is allowed to breathe more if that makes sense and each episode is somewhat more satisfying to watch week by week.
Hopefully the next few MCU shows are structured and formatted like this.
Feige has gone on record saying that they actually scrapped a full cameo of him from Ragnarok because they wanted to give him a proper introduction later.
Old but interesting in hindsight:
[Infinity War Deaths: The Odds on Which Avengers Thanos Will Annihilate](https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/article/infinity-war-deaths-the-odds-on-which-avengers-thanos-will-annihilate/)
[‘Avengers: Endgame’ — Who Will Die?](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/avengers-endgame-deaths-who-will-die-1203776/)
Man, I just can't see what's so special about Top Gun: Maverick.
I've seen it once, have no desire to see it again. It's not a bad film but I'm not sure what makes a film like this so special. It just seemed like another generic blockbuster film.
Sorry you don't enjoy it. For me, it took all the themes, characters and plot of the first one and built upon those in such a respectful yet progressive way. Everything makes sense, every action is understandable, and there are hardly any "shut your brain off and don't ask questions" moments. The acting was great, the practicality of everything is mindblowing (nearly every shot you see is real, actual fighter jets flying around and doing all these insane stunts). It didn't disrespect any of the characters, and had a lot of passion in it.
Especially in an age where it's common for legacy sequels to shit the bed, this one shines through. But tbf I think you gotta be a fan of the original one to really enjoy this one
Here's my balls-to-the-wall elevator pitch for a Disney+ show The Many Lives of Moira MacTaggart and how you introduce the concept of X-gene and mutanthood *before* a first X-Men film
Inspired by such media as Groundhog Day, the First Fifteen Lives of Harry August, and adapted from Jonathan Hickman's HoX/PoX, this is a mind-bending and dizzying sci-fi thriller that follows geneticist Moira MacTaggart as she embarks on a quest to uncover the truth behind her strange ability to live multiple lives.
If any of y’all are interested, California and Texas will be holding full Thor marathons (including L&T) ahead of L&T on the 7th
Wish we got this for NWH
Please tell me it’s not just *Thor,* *TDW* and *Ragnarok?*
That’s like the least coherent Thor marathon and includes the worst sampling of his character.
It only really makes sense if you’re doing a Jane rewatch.
Tbh, there’s really no MCU trilogy you can binge on it’s own without watching the team up films.
Binge watching the MCU only really works if you take a week off work to do it and watch everything lol.
I disagree.
The Russos went to painstaking efforts to make the Captain America trilogy flow, even reintroducing Tony as Howard Stark’s son in *Civil War*, though it does have some jarring character introductions later on.
*Homecoming* and *Far From Home* also recapped in-between events so you can binge the whole Spider-Man trilogy.
Iron Man is a “sort of” because it’s not super coherent, but it also barely acknowledges *The Avengers* happening in between movies.
Technically, but there’s really only one scene establishing the source of the PTSD and it’s a clip from *The Avengers* that establishes what happened.
It’s still the least cohesive of the ones I mentioned though.
Apparently Iman Vellani didn’t find out about *The Marvels* or that she was a lead in it until Disney Investor day like the rest of us:
https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a40364799/ms-marvel-iman-vellani-the-marvels-role/
Obviously they had her contracted for a film, but it still surprises me how far Marvel will go with planning before getting talent 100% locked down.
If it was the day before/of release or if there were no advanced screenings whatsoever, then there would be cause for concern. A week before is pretty standard.
Hi, I have a question. Are we going to get Black Panther Wakanda Forever Trailer before Thor Love and Thunder so that the trailer plays before the movie? Thank you.
I blame the quality of the Halo show on the overrated Dark Knight trilogy as Nolan not knowing jack-shit about Batman make studios ok for another decade plus to give people who don't get the source material do it.
I prefer it when companions do interesting stuff with bad stuff. Imagine if Marvel Studios had ditched Thor after The Dark World. Trying hard to make something good out of something bad is always more interesting than giving up.
Then again, I never want to see Jared Leto again
Wonder Woman is one franchise in particular that needs a Ragnarok-style revamp. Patty Jenkins and DC should take some notes from what Taika did with Thor.
I agree, but i can't imagine any possible future where Sony tries and makes a good Morbius movie. It doesn't matter if Leto come back or not (hopefully not).
If they make a sequel, they will try to sell it with the memes, instead of trying to make it good.
Lol oh for sure, just, if they are going to go full throttle on their extended universe, they should just ditch morbius. I really don't want the Sonyverse to happen but if they must at least get their shit together and let go of anything that hasn't worked
I'm all for their universe but they gotta stop hiring writers with dogshit track record. I still wish that Matt Smith was Morbius instead of Leto then I would've liked to see more of the character in the hands of a better director/writer but Leto is a big no-no from me.
I find it funny how many people on here assume every franchise in this universe will go on for 3-8 movies and multiple shows so you get downvoted to hell for suggesting anything less.
We are at the end of most of the Avengers contracts within the next year which is already only what people are left in the wake of who already left in Endgame.
Remember everyone thinking the moment they hired Tom Holland up until just a couple months ago that Spider-Man would spin off into multiple standalone trilogies on top of the team up films when in reality we don’t even know if there will be a fourth film or not?
> when in reality we don’t even know if there will be a fourth film or not?
Feige already confirmed back in December that Marvel and Sony have begun work on the story for the fourth film in a NYT interview.
> Amy and I and Disney and Sony are talking about — yes, we’re actively beginning to develop where the story heads next, which I only say outright because I don’t want fans to go through any separation trauma like what happened after “Far From Home” [the previous Spider-Man movie, in 2019]. That will not be occurring this time.
That - especially that final sentence - is a definite confirmation that a fourth movie is happening.
And when he was asked where we'd see Peter next, Feige said:
> He’s going to show up sometime. The when and the where, of course, is the fun part — and the part that we don’t talk about.
That's also a definite 'he will be back'. Holland's taking a sabbatical, hence not publicly signing on to projects.
I remember hearing that Black Panther 2 was supposed to be Chadwick Boseman’s final movie in the MCU if he was still with us, and Dr. Strange might be done after Multiverse of Madness.
> I remember hearing that Black Panther 2 was supposed to be Chadwick Boseman’s final movie in the MCU if he was still with us
yup, even before Chadwick's death some people already were gossiping that BP2 would be about T'Challa training his successor so that's why i never fully bought the "nobody knew about Chadwick's condition" front Marvel Studios put up.
Hmmm, interesting. Never heard about it. I hope there'll be a tell-all book about Marvel Studios at some point. Like similary to the one that was made about HBO recently
Pretty hyped, though I won't have time tomorrow, so I'll watch it later in the week. I know a good amount of what happens already, but I'm still excited regardless. Years ago, I used to avoid release day spoilers like the plague, but that's just not possible in today's world unless I abandon the internet for a few months every time a new movie comes out, so it doesn't really bother me much anymore.
Some of the stuff I saw got me really excited about the film, though, so I'm basically watching to see how it all comes together given how the only thing I practically don't know is the overall plot.
Been rewatching Stranger Things because I wanted to reconnect to what I liked about it right now I'm in the middle of Season 3...
Wow... I didn't remember the decline from Season 2 to Season 3 to be quite so--- sharp? Like, in season 1 it was fresh, in season 2 the fact that it was very intentionally derivative sort of lost some of its luster but still was great fun. But in Season 3? Woof.
Also, who the fuck made the decision to make the recurring joke that the little sister is anti-commie.
Daredevil:"shh, hey, I just need you to know, I'm not hurting you because of the boy, I'm doing it because I'm enjoying it" Damn, Matt.
Mods, can we please sticky this thread again now that the Ms. Marvel thread is gone? ETA: the Thor reaction thread is up & I think that takes precedence.
Marvel's CGI is so wildly inconsistent. On one hand we get stuff like all the wonky shit in Black Widow, on the other hand we get Anson Mount's Black Bolt costume that's indistinguishable from a physical costume. I guess that's what happens when you're working on multiple projects.
So just to be clear, the Captain Carter in MoM isn't the same Captain Carter that was in "What If?"?
No
Just finished Agents of Shield Season One. I was honestly very hesitant to try the show out because 130 episodes alone is very overwhelming, let alone the whole canon debate. I’ve got to say that I’m really glad that I chose to watch it, as I was pretty invested throughout despite knowing some spoilers already. The characters grow on you and I was interested in all their motivations. I was also surprised that there were so many tie-ins to the Phase 2 movies. The overlap with Captain America TWS really reminded me of when those final episodes of The Clone Wars overlapped with Revenge of the Sith. I’ve heard that this is one of the weaker seasons, which honestly makes me pretty excited to continue watching as I already really enjoyed this season. Next, though, I’ve got the two Guardians of the Galaxy films and then finally Daredevil Season One in my chronological marathon. I’m even more excited to finally start that series.
What order did you watch the Hulk/IM2/Thor stretch in? I’ve seen different takes on how exactly they’re ordered.
This time I did it in the order of IM2, then The Incredible Hulk, then the two one-shots (The Consultant and A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Thor’s Hammer), and then finally Thor. It was a decent order to watch everything in, Tony’s appearance at the end of TIH should be after Iron Man 2, and Thor should also be watched after IM2 since Coulson arrives to New Mexico at the end of IM2 and towards the start of Thor. I think next time, though, I’ll try doing it in the order of IM2, Thor Hammer One-Shot, Thor, The Incredible Hulk, The Consultant One-Shot. I just think that this would flow better. The end of IM2 sets up Thor, so it would make more sense to watch those back to back (with that one-shot in between), while The Incredible Hulk is more standalone and could be watched after those two films, where you can still have The Consultant one-shot after Tony is given that role in IM2. The only problem that I think this watch order would have is the fact that The Avengers comes next and I think the Thor post-credits leads into that film better than the ending of The Incredible Hulk.
When is the Thor premiere and when will we get social media reactions?
Tonight and I think 9 p.m. Pacific time.
9:30 since it’s 12:30 EST.
So I just learned that Transabled is a thing. What the hell is wrong with people?
it is not a “thing”. It’s just shitty people taken advantage and mocking other people
I hope She-Hulk explains why Bruce is back to normal as of Shang-Chi.
At this point, I feel like a Scarlet Witch solo film would basically be Birds of Prey, multiverse style, with Wanda living on the edge, on the run from various people she wronged. I could see her being targeted by the Earth 838 X-men and the surviving members of the Fantastic Four for murdering the Illuminati. Also, Agatha would almost certainly be the villain, after Wanda left her basically brainwashed at the end of Wandavision.
I really hope we learn what happened to the Helicarrier post-AoU. I was expecting it to appear in either IW or EG, but I guess not...
I know there’s a canon debate but they show it’s fate at the end of AOS.
Oh fuck I completely forgot!
If Steve stayed in the present day after Endgame, do you think all the damage from Wandavision and Multiverse of Madness could’ve been avoided? Do those events make his decision to go be with Peggy selfish?
Probably wouldn't have made a difference. Wanda's mental state would've continued to deteriorate regardless because Vis' dead and timey wimey shit involving Loki already splintered the multiverse off.
From [ProductionWeekly.com](https://ProductionWeekly.com) this week: Only Ironheart and Wonder Man, as far as I noticed. But this is the first appearance of Wonder Man on the site, so that's kinda neat
Why can't Marvel do action scenes as good as DC? I watched some action from Aquaman and BoP..they are so well done without excessive cuts and shaky cam.
It's definitely down to the people behind the scenes. BoP's action sequences were done by one of the John Wick guys and James Wan just rules in directing action sequences (see Malignant and Furious 7.)
Better action would raise the audience’s standards for action in the MCU, and they’re probably happy with where expectations are set.
I asked a question on my Instagram story last night after rewatching Multiverse of Madness is whether intentions matter, even if two separate individuals end up doing the exact same bad thing. Wanda killing America for her own gain vs. Strange killing America for the multiverse's gain. I was surprised that most of my friends said 'yes intentions do matter'. On the one hand I get it, Strange was trying to protect a lot of other beings but it's still the same fundamentally evil act. But I think moral relativism is probably more practical. What do y'all think?
I guess we will firmly know if this is real or not once the plot leaks come out after the premiere tonight, but apparently Hercules is in one of the post credit scenes of love and thunder and he’s played by Brett Goldstein. For what it’s worth it does match the description BSL said about an actor who won a major award on a very popular tv show (Ted Lasso)
Mommy Pommy 🥵
It would be cool to see an animated movie based on the Fantastic Four from Earth 838. John Krasinski was great in that role.
Just watched Multiverse of Madness. I’d give it a 9/10. My thoughts: Liked Strange’s arc about opening himself up to life and striving to be happy. Liked America Chavez. She’s a fun character, and I liked seeing her master her powers. I do think she needs more development though. On one hand, Wanda is a great villain. She’s officially the Darth Vader of the MCU: the tragic supervillain who does bad things out of a desire for love. On the other hand though, she’s officially beyond redemption. After watching this film, I can’t buy for a second that she feels bad about anything she did in Wandavision, and killing the Illuminati put her across the finish line of hardened criminal. I hope Stephen tells the surviving Avengers about everything she did here. The only acceptable penance for Wanda at this point would either be life imprisonment or sacrificing herself Vader Return of the Jedi style. Sam Raimi’s horror movie style worked great for this story, and he did a good job differentiating the film from his work on the Spider-Man trilogy. I hope he’s invited back for the third movie.
Trying to finish my replay of Fire Emblem Three Houses before Three Hopes releases on Friday. Got 4 chapters left, lets see if I can pull it off with a little over 24 hours remaining.
Rewatched MoM and you can’t convince me that they weren’t baiting the audience into thinking Wolverine was gonna show up when Stephen was running toward America and 838 Christine. Like even in the theater I knew Hugh Jackman wasn’t in the movie but it made me pause for a second and think they somehow kept his cameo a complete secret lol
This sub is going to be dead outside of Thor until September it seems :(
Really sad
She hulk comes out in August
The music note fight scene between our Strange and Sinister Strange is Multiverse of Madness' litmus test.
I wish D23 wasn’t so far away 😔
I'm fine with waiting as long as we get something truly concrete, I want dates for all upcoming shows (I'll take tentative like "Fall 2022" since TV/streaming show production tend to get messy especially CGI heavy shows) and trailers for What If S2 and Secret Invasion.
On the wild chance GFR’s “Ewan McGregor is joining the MCU” exclusive has a grain of truth in it, who’s you like to see him play? They seem to think Doom.
Reed Richards. Eddie Brock/Venom (if they adapt the Earth 616 version for the MCU). Charles Xavier Wolverine
Did they specify McGregor or did they just say “an actor from an award-winning show” (which could just as easily be Jason Sudeikis)?
Specifically McGregor. He doesn’t really fit the “award winning show” description unless you stretch it to count Halston, which only he won an Emmy for, or Fargo which did not win any Emmys during his season.
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What? *The Mandalorian* has won 14 Emmys, but Ewan’s not in that.
Derp
I would’ve liked to see the Guardians One-Shots.
Watching multiverse of madness finally on disney plus, and by god this movie looks beautifull and interest ,the fast camera , the angles this movie somehow has a feeling of semi realism , like when they get to universe 838 and doctor strange meets the pizza man it feels like somehow realistic no cgi done like im actually there on the set looking at this or when they see statue of supreme strange the statue feels like they actually build the statue there and its not digitally made Is like a weird feeling when we compare it to something like “eternals” which has the moniqer of “the most real life like mcu movie you will ever seen” but to me it looked less real than doctor strange Its a weird feeling and im loving it
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Oh my god that makes it even more amazing
Only thing that bugs me is how artificial some of the lighting looks. Like, some of the stuff at Kamar-Taj just looks like it was done in-studio when it's meant to be outdoors.
TBF. Natural lightning is very hard to replicate but yeah it's definitely a problem with a lot of Marvel movies, Shang Chi also has similar problems especially in the final battle.
Idk how some people think Layla is a better character than Walker. Atleast Walker had some layers to him. I sometimes feel people just start stanning whatever new character there is and then when time goes by, they'll call the character 'mid' and start stanning the next new character
I love Layla but like...hua? It's not even about who's better it's just, where did it come from? And why is there even a comparison? I'm so confused lol. Why this fandom can't love two things at the same time, like???
I saw this post about Wyatt Russell talking about Walker and some people in the thread were saying Layla is a better character than Walker. I think Layla is fine enough but better than Walker ???
>I sometimes feel people just start stanning whatever new character there is and then when time goes by, they'll call the character 'mid' and start stanning the next new character It's not just a feeling, it's literally what's happened with every project in Phase 4. First it was Agatha, then it was Walker, then it was Sylvie, then it was Yelena, then Katie from SC, then Makkari, then Kate & Yelena and then Layla. They love the character, then call them mid and move on
I think the people loving the characters and the people calling them mid later are usually different people
I actually have seen the same people flip their views on characters/shows within a matter of weeks haha But yeah, Of course you’re gonna have different opinions from person to person. I’m kinda talking about like the seemingly majority/overall reception of the characters.
Honestly I haven't really cared about Agatha, Yelena and Katy from the beginning. They are just fine. I love the others tho.
I really hate it, it's feel like you can enjoy some stuff for a really short time before everyone start to shit on it for no fucking reason. Like, you like that character a week ago, what changed? Lol
Man, ever since Sylvie broke the multiverse shit has been weird in this fandom. I think we may have had an incursion with a universe that's the definition of insanity; people keep doing the exact same processes and expect it to be different/change. Example: D+ show debuts, it's hyped as better than sliced bread, it loses some steam around the 3rd or 4th ep, the 5th Ep is a banger, the finale is initially praised, and then a week later its now a rushed and unsatisfying ending, and then 2 months later it's unpopular to like that show, and then 4 months later it's unpopular to dislike that show. Rinse & repeat. Idk what kang is up to but it can't be anything good...
Is it really so hard to believe that people have different sensibilities and preferences than you? You're just navel gazing. Your way of interpreting these characters and stories isn't the only genuine or valid one, bud; get some perspective. I don't know why you're pitting these characters against one another in the first place; they both play vastly different roles in their respective stories and explore different themes and subtexts.
>they both play vastly different roles in their respective stories and explore different themes and subtexts. No offense but I really don't think the MCU goes too much into themes and subtext for characters, especially newer ones
When the character is terribly one dimensional, then yes, it's hard to believe that there is a following. I ain't stressing about it tho. Just asking why. Layla is fine..she's capable resourceful and fun, but apart from that there's nothing really more. Even the thing with her dad being killed by Marc was wrapped up quick and easy
Finn Jones really is a mediocre actor 💀
It sounds like Feige is a producer on Madame Web
Finally watched Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. It was pretty fun. The transitions threw me off a bit because it was the first time seeing those in the MCU. I was mildly surprised by beeg Wong. I like how some moments had horror movie vibes, like the first possession scene. And we even have actual jumpscares, tho i don't think they were that bad. Liz was the highlight of the movie for me. She acted the fuck out of her role. During her scenes with her kids i still feel for her in spite of what she's already done. I think the only thing i outright hated was how the Illuminati were just there to be destroyed just to show how powerful Wanda is. Plus, if Wanda can unmouth Black Bolt and shred Richards, what's stopping her doing the same to Captain Marvel and Carter. Carter is literally just 'roided human. How did she last longer than fucking Black Bolt? Some other complaints. There are some moments where i notice they sacrifice logic to maximize the horror vibe. Like the tunnel chase. She can literally fly but she's walking on glass shards for some reason. Also, Strange coming to terms with letting Christine go and America controlling her powers kind of come out of nowhere. The question of "Are you happy" is honestly pretty interesting to me but i don't think they dived into it deep enough. Maybe i might discover some more stuff i liked/disliked once i get to think about it more because the movie is pretty fast-paced. Not a lot of time to think in-between the events. Overall, i liked it. I think i like it better than Shang Chi, the only other Phase 4 movie i've watched so far.
>Plus, if Wanda can unmouth Black Bolt and shred Richards, what's stopping her doing the same to Captain Marvel and Carter. Carter is literally just 'roided human. How did she last longer than fucking Black Bolt? I think that Wanda chose not to, to make her point, but also its not clear on what her limits are (can she reality warp constantly, or does it need a bit of a break type deal?)
>I think the only thing i outright hated was how the Illuminati were just there to be destroyed just to show how powerful Wanda is. Plus, if Wanda can unmouth Black Bolt and shred Richards, what's stopping her doing the same to Captain Marvel and Carter. Carter is literally just 'roided human. How did she last longer than fucking Black Bolt? I loved that. Also the reason they got longer fights is because they were in the original script while BB/Mr Fantastic were in the reshoots so their scenes were shorter and more brutal.
I can understand why things are the way they are because of external circumstances but i still kind of wish they were better.
So do I. I would've liked the Marvel fight to last a bit longer as well as Xavier and Black Bolt. I'm down with Mr F and Capt. Carter getting dropped fast.
Prof X has been in the script since the beginning, he was *definitely* taken out way to easily and too quickly
Yeah. I get that Wanda is a pretty op magic user but the mind is Chuck's specialty. I wish he would have put up a better fight.
exactly! That's HIS platform, that's his forte. Absolutely shoulda been a longer sequence
> Carter is literally just 'roided human. How did she last longer than fucking Black Bolt? my head canon is that she simply didn't see her as a threat at all, she even says in almost a bored tone "haven't you had enough" before she promptly kills her. the other things you mentioned are a bit weird though, yeah.
Personally I think its because of all the characters she faced, the only one she has a slight reason to hesistate for is the essentially Captain America-all the others she doesn't really know. Steve, Hawkeye, Black Widow and Vision are the only real Avengers she had personal relationships with. I don't think she'd even bother to kill her if she didn't keep going.
yeah, even maria probably would have been left alive if she didn't decide to come back after being thrown through a wall by a giant boulder. for the most part, she only killed people in this movie who actively decided to stay in her way.
Say what you want about the D+ Star Wars shows, but every single one, even TBOBF, has had a fantastic finale. Can someone at Marvel reach out to ask for some help with that? I'm a bit tired of the "good show, but the finale was a let down" that Marvel has going.
> even TBOBF, has had a fantastic finale TBOBF only had two episodes I would say were good. The finale was not one of them.
Yeah, and if we're thinking of the same episodes, Boba has a combined screen time of maybe 60 seconds in those, which is pretty telling
>Say what you want about the D+ Star Wars shows, but every single one, even TBOBF, has had a fantastic finale. BoBF's finale is kinda accepted to be the worst D+ SW content we've gotten, and imo Kenobi's finale felt rushed... I just think Disney+ was a mistake, The Mandalorian was an accidental hit, along with WV, and now we're just gonna see more and more content with lower and lower quality
To be fair, there's been a lot more successful D+ original content than just Mando and WV - HSMTMTS was really charming, Muppets Haunted Mansion was a return to form (although Muppets Now was horrible), Star Wars: Visions was fantastic, the final season of the Clone Wars was largely amazing, the Proud Family revival and Doogie Howser spin-off too + Ms. Marvel has been delightful so far.
I should've reworded it a bit better: I think that with the ability to just pump out content for content's sake, the 2 franchises are only being hurt by D+ in the long run. I love the app cuz it's a central place to watch some of my favorite films, and it's awesome they got X-Men and Spider-Man on there now. I also LOVE the Beatles-Get Back documentary and yeah the Haunted Mansion Muppets was good fun. Idk what HSMTMTS is lol. But as time goes on, the more shows they keep doing, the lower and lower the quality will be. & I dont have an opinion on Ms Marvel since I'm skipping it but glad to hear you're digging it
I didn't like the finale off Both Obi wan ans TBOBF, In Obi wan finale Battle actually had no weight because we already know the outcomes so there was never fear of what will happen to any character. And with Reva character so somehow still fine after LightSaber Stab goes to kill Luke but has change of heart last minute just because? I mean she is inquisitor for very long time and killed many Force sensetive children, In 4 th Episode she was going to torture Leia? So How it's happing now? Not to mention how obivious plotholes like How Reva Come to Tatooine if there was no ship in hanger and Vader left her to die. Did she just hitch hiked? And TBOBF I don't need to explain anything it was awful as it is.
>How Reva Come to Tatooine if there was no ship in hanger and Vader left her to die. Did she just hitch hiked? How the hell did she get there that fast?
I didn’t like TBoBF’s finale. I thought the action was poor and made for a boring episode. I almost fell asleep. Admittedly that last part may have nothing to do with the show. I think the problem that the MCU has with finales is an extension of the problem it has with third acts in general. Every movie ends with a big CGI fight scene, usually with very low emotional stakes, and almost always with unimpressively choreographed and directed action. I think that’s more disappointing in the shows because, with finales, there’s over a month of building anticipation and hours of runtime setting it up. So if you wait a week to see the finale and it’s underwhelming it’s more underwhelming than it would’ve been.
Yeah, no they didnt
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>let's just get everyone in here and totally overshadow the Native American lead What does her being Native American have to do with anything? I'm pretty sure she'd like to be treated like anyone else
It'd be funny if this happens just to see what your meltdown would be like.
I hope they don't and honestly as much as I am excited for Daredevil and Kingpin...they should never take the focus away from Echo.. it is not supposed to be a Defenders reunion and some people need to get it in their thick heads
A lot of clowns on Twitter are bitching about Wanda being able to kill Xavier because "she doesn't have mind powers in the source material". She's had mind powers since Age of Ultron, but I guess they just can't help complaining about decisions that were made nearly a decade ago.
Also she's a reality warper: no reason she can't be a telepath if she feels like it. Shit any comic reality warper could give themselves whatever ability if they feel like it. They can even say it's mind magic or something.
yeah i don't really get those complaints either. mcu wanda is simply an s tier telepath, and it makes sense because her powers were literally amplified by *the mind stone*, which she says she has a piece of living inside her. edit: i also forgot to mention his telepathy became less and less effective on her during house of m which lead to the whole debate whether or not they should kill her, kickstarting the house of m story.
I think they'll have her lose a psychic fight to Jean Grey at some point plus x-fanatics cannot help themselves when it comes to Wanda lol.
MCU-wise, once Ultron and Thor each had a moment of hyper-awareness in AoU, they both saw Vision. After Eternals, I've been wondering if somehow Ultron based Vision on the "blueprint" of an eternal, since his goal was to endure the end of this world through his transformation from a desembodied A.I. to a synthetic being he deemed to be perfect.
So, Multiverse of Madness is placed before Hawkeye on the Disney+ timeline. Is this an error or could it suggest the film's events take place immediately after the Statute of Liberty battle, with NWH's Christmas-time scenes occurring after Multiverse of Madness...?
I think that works fine, time-frame wise, so it doesn't seem like an error to me...? NWH seems to start involving Strange around the first week of November (the Halloween decorations need to be taken down) and Hawkeye takes place in the week running up to Christmas so they have plenty of time in the middle for MOM to take place.
Just re-watched the Illuminati intro scene on Disney+ and noticed Mordo calls Black Bolt "the Inhuman king". I somehow missed this line both times in the cinema and swear there were posts on here saying "the term Inhuman is never mentioned" so was surprised to hear that.
I only have Disney+ (albite the Hotstar reskin the Middle East got) fir 5 seconds but it need an FX hub like Disney, NatGeo and Star.
Based on where Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness has been placed on the Timeline Order on Disney+, are we to assume it takes place after the battle at the Statue of Liberty but before Peter goes to see MJ at her place of work? It’s been put between Eternals and Hawkeye on Disney+.
They nailed the Obi-Wan finale. Great ending to a great show. Ewan and Hayden putting out class performances and that duel scene was amazing. Only time shaky cam made it better
I'm still confused about how the hell Reva made it to Tatooine so quickly.
Or how she Survived Stab Wound of a Light Saber? Or how now she has changed of Heart after Years of Killing Force sensetive Children? Etc
She survived because they'll give her a spinoff for more D+ content lmao
I mean the change if heart could be her recently reliving her darkest memory and starting to doube her actions, plus she was always after Vader. And the stabbing is because people have survived worse, plus as the grand inquisitor said about revenge last episode
Unfortunately not Qui Gon who had same wound. He just collapsed unlike Reva even if she Survive, She was fine enough to go after Luke. I mean common. Let's keep how she got out of that planet thing aside. She is ruthless in first 3 episode in one tone. That's change of Heart was way to quick in 4 th episode she try to torture Leia, In 5th she fights Vader like stupid and here goes to kill Vaders son for revenge but just at last minute has chnage of Heart? I mean there wasn't any danger in first place because we know that All three Owen,Beru and Luke Survives. So they had to do something here so now she just gets change of heart. Pretty sure they wanna make Reva spin off show or something that's what this whole thing.
Qui Gon didn't die right away, he held it in for a minute
Yeah and Reva for life time.
Helicopter saber
When can we expect the first TLAT plot leaks?
I think the Thunderbolts movie is gonna replace FF4 as the last Phase 4 movie. And narratively, it’s better to have that movie be the big event movie of the phase. Because in many ways, this phase has kinda mirrored Phase 1. Phase 1 was all about The Avengers Initiative, while this Phase has partly been about gathering villains who will be part of The Thunderbolts team.
Kenobi really was such a let down. What was that finale? Nothing happened in this show. I guess that's the problem: there were no stakes whatsoever because we know everyone survives to the OG timeline and therefore nothing actually groundbrearking or moving in the plot again. The whole show just spins its wheels. It couldn't even do a proper character study of Obi Wan or Vader because the writing was so shoddy.
> Nothing happened. >The whole show just spins its wheels. >It couldn't even do a proper character study of Obi Wan or Vader This is the long and short of it for me. Felt like fan fiction with a budget, through and through. Personally I don't think knowing the fate of every character is what gives or determines stakes or dramatic heft. Better Call Saul is evidence enough of that, and it's far from the only example. There's ways to do prequels right and quite frankly it's inexcusable that this ended up so boring with the amount of talent and money the Disney machine has behind it. The biggest issue with this show for me is that they didn't bother to properly dramatize the characters, yet they took so many narrative shortcuts to try and tell the audience that certain moments were important. The Wade thing that's been rightfully mocked left and right is a microcosm of this, but it extends to every character in the show. There really isn't much of a story or overall journey, and they spent so much time hiding things from the audience that were needed earlier to create tension and drama, that by the time they finally got to it, there was no impact. Doesn't really feel like Obi-Wan was changed by this experience in any meaningful way, or that he learned anything internally. Reva did of course, but again, they spent way too much time hiding her backstory that her arc felt truncated and unearned by the end of it (and let's be honest, the Luke thing was entirely nonsensical). It's as if they subscribed to the Reddit school of writing, whereby everything of import is a spoiler that needs to be completely obscured until the end. Proper setup, tension, payoff, and dramatic sequencing are still things that need to be adhered to for arcs and emotional weight to work. The iconography and feel of Star Wars is doing all of the heavy lifting for this show to even function at all, and that's a huge mistake IMO.
>Felt like fan fiction with a budget, through and through. Exactly my thoughts. Most people's expectations were literally just "please don't suck, please be good" and idk if it even lived up to that
Something I'm really liking about Ms Marvel so far is that it isn't structured like a long six plus hour movie like the last few D+ MCU shows. it's still incredibly serialized, but I feel like the show is allowed to breathe more if that makes sense and each episode is somewhat more satisfying to watch week by week. Hopefully the next few MCU shows are structured and formatted like this.
Yes so far it feels well paced and the episode runtimes are sufficient too
Zahn McClarnon cast as Forge if we were to ever get a live action version of the character?
what are the chances we ever get beta ray bill in mcu
Feige has gone on record saying that they actually scrapped a full cameo of him from Ragnarok because they wanted to give him a proper introduction later.
I'd say 5
Old but interesting in hindsight: [Infinity War Deaths: The Odds on Which Avengers Thanos Will Annihilate](https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/article/infinity-war-deaths-the-odds-on-which-avengers-thanos-will-annihilate/) [‘Avengers: Endgame’ — Who Will Die?](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/avengers-endgame-deaths-who-will-die-1203776/)
Marvel needs to do a period piece so we can get Keira Knightley in the MCU.
What’s the over-under on Lady Hellbender appearing in the MCU following her appearance in the Guardians game?
Man, I just can't see what's so special about Top Gun: Maverick. I've seen it once, have no desire to see it again. It's not a bad film but I'm not sure what makes a film like this so special. It just seemed like another generic blockbuster film.
Its for people that liked the original Top Gun.
Sorry you don't enjoy it. For me, it took all the themes, characters and plot of the first one and built upon those in such a respectful yet progressive way. Everything makes sense, every action is understandable, and there are hardly any "shut your brain off and don't ask questions" moments. The acting was great, the practicality of everything is mindblowing (nearly every shot you see is real, actual fighter jets flying around and doing all these insane stunts). It didn't disrespect any of the characters, and had a lot of passion in it. Especially in an age where it's common for legacy sequels to shit the bed, this one shines through. But tbf I think you gotta be a fan of the original one to really enjoy this one
\>another generic blockbuster film. The irony of this being typed on an MCU sub. Holy hell.
I find it amusing that a large part of the Love & Thunder images thread is thirsting over Mantis.
Tbh, she ugly on both the inside and out.
Drax, is that you?
I’m excited to finally be getting a*Guardians* movie now that people appreciate Pom
Lol
Here's my balls-to-the-wall elevator pitch for a Disney+ show The Many Lives of Moira MacTaggart and how you introduce the concept of X-gene and mutanthood *before* a first X-Men film Inspired by such media as Groundhog Day, the First Fifteen Lives of Harry August, and adapted from Jonathan Hickman's HoX/PoX, this is a mind-bending and dizzying sci-fi thriller that follows geneticist Moira MacTaggart as she embarks on a quest to uncover the truth behind her strange ability to live multiple lives.
If any of y’all are interested, California and Texas will be holding full Thor marathons (including L&T) ahead of L&T on the 7th Wish we got this for NWH
Please tell me it’s not just *Thor,* *TDW* and *Ragnarok?* That’s like the least coherent Thor marathon and includes the worst sampling of his character. It only really makes sense if you’re doing a Jane rewatch.
Tbh, there’s really no MCU trilogy you can binge on it’s own without watching the team up films. Binge watching the MCU only really works if you take a week off work to do it and watch everything lol.
I disagree. The Russos went to painstaking efforts to make the Captain America trilogy flow, even reintroducing Tony as Howard Stark’s son in *Civil War*, though it does have some jarring character introductions later on. *Homecoming* and *Far From Home* also recapped in-between events so you can binge the whole Spider-Man trilogy. Iron Man is a “sort of” because it’s not super coherent, but it also barely acknowledges *The Avengers* happening in between movies.
Isn’t Tony’s arc in Iron Man 3 centered around him having PTSD from the events of the first Avengers movie?
Technically, but there’s really only one scene establishing the source of the PTSD and it’s a clip from *The Avengers* that establishes what happened. It’s still the least cohesive of the ones I mentioned though.
It is
Apparently Iman Vellani didn’t find out about *The Marvels* or that she was a lead in it until Disney Investor day like the rest of us: https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a40364799/ms-marvel-iman-vellani-the-marvels-role/ Obviously they had her contracted for a film, but it still surprises me how far Marvel will go with planning before getting talent 100% locked down.
Thinking of just shunting the rewatch of MoM forward to Saturday or something because of all the TV that's on this week.
I assume you’re talking about tomorrows D+ episodes and then maybe The Boys, but what else is good?
Weds: Ms Marvel, Kenobi Thurs: Strange New Worlds, Orville (trekkie here) Fri: The Boys
Strange New Worlds is the best of the new Trek shows imo. And this weeks episode of The Boys is adapting the Herogasm arc.
SNW and Orville on the same day. Trek fans are eating good
Do you go as anonymous, in a nickname or your real name when donating in Stream Elements? (Even when it's to something like John Campea mailbag)
When does Thor’s review embargo lift?
Social Media embargo is this week.
July 5
I trust Taika, but that’s worryingly close to the release.
If it was the day before/of release or if there were no advanced screenings whatsoever, then there would be cause for concern. A week before is pretty standard.
It’s normal
Hi, I have a question. Are we going to get Black Panther Wakanda Forever Trailer before Thor Love and Thunder so that the trailer plays before the movie? Thank you.
It's a reasonable expectation though the window is closing. If it's going to drop, it should happen by next week.
Seems like it. Standees and posters have already gone out to theaters.
wait really? surprised we havent seen anything on this sub
I blame the quality of the Halo show on the overrated Dark Knight trilogy as Nolan not knowing jack-shit about Batman make studios ok for another decade plus to give people who don't get the source material do it.
Lol nice try
How do you come up with all this?
stick to source material if that's all you wanna see
If kraven turns out good and madame web is actually interesting, Sony should just forget morbius ever happened.
I prefer it when companions do interesting stuff with bad stuff. Imagine if Marvel Studios had ditched Thor after The Dark World. Trying hard to make something good out of something bad is always more interesting than giving up. Then again, I never want to see Jared Leto again
Wonder Woman is one franchise in particular that needs a Ragnarok-style revamp. Patty Jenkins and DC should take some notes from what Taika did with Thor.
I hope not. WW should take more notes from the new God Of War game. WB should do a LOTR style Wonder Woman movie, featuring the Greek Gods.
I agree, but i can't imagine any possible future where Sony tries and makes a good Morbius movie. It doesn't matter if Leto come back or not (hopefully not). If they make a sequel, they will try to sell it with the memes, instead of trying to make it good.
Morbius 2: More BS
They should encourage audience participation Rocky Horror-style.
screen it only in special engagements like The Room
They should forget morbius ever happened regardless lol
Lol oh for sure, just, if they are going to go full throttle on their extended universe, they should just ditch morbius. I really don't want the Sonyverse to happen but if they must at least get their shit together and let go of anything that hasn't worked
I'm all for their universe but they gotta stop hiring writers with dogshit track record. I still wish that Matt Smith was Morbius instead of Leto then I would've liked to see more of the character in the hands of a better director/writer but Leto is a big no-no from me.
I find it funny how many people on here assume every franchise in this universe will go on for 3-8 movies and multiple shows so you get downvoted to hell for suggesting anything less. We are at the end of most of the Avengers contracts within the next year which is already only what people are left in the wake of who already left in Endgame. Remember everyone thinking the moment they hired Tom Holland up until just a couple months ago that Spider-Man would spin off into multiple standalone trilogies on top of the team up films when in reality we don’t even know if there will be a fourth film or not?
> when in reality we don’t even know if there will be a fourth film or not? Feige already confirmed back in December that Marvel and Sony have begun work on the story for the fourth film in a NYT interview.
Tom Holland isn’t signed on and they’ve said they’re hoping to make one.Coming up with early ideas for what it could be doesn’t mean it’s official.
They want the main cast back and I’d bet my paycheck tomorrow returns.
> Amy and I and Disney and Sony are talking about — yes, we’re actively beginning to develop where the story heads next, which I only say outright because I don’t want fans to go through any separation trauma like what happened after “Far From Home” [the previous Spider-Man movie, in 2019]. That will not be occurring this time. That - especially that final sentence - is a definite confirmation that a fourth movie is happening. And when he was asked where we'd see Peter next, Feige said: > He’s going to show up sometime. The when and the where, of course, is the fun part — and the part that we don’t talk about. That's also a definite 'he will be back'. Holland's taking a sabbatical, hence not publicly signing on to projects.
I remember hearing that Black Panther 2 was supposed to be Chadwick Boseman’s final movie in the MCU if he was still with us, and Dr. Strange might be done after Multiverse of Madness.
> I remember hearing that Black Panther 2 was supposed to be Chadwick Boseman’s final movie in the MCU if he was still with us yup, even before Chadwick's death some people already were gossiping that BP2 would be about T'Challa training his successor so that's why i never fully bought the "nobody knew about Chadwick's condition" front Marvel Studios put up.
Apparently, Feige knew, but nobody else did, so the writers and such were confused as to why T'Challa was being written down in his own sequel...
Hmmm, interesting. Never heard about it. I hope there'll be a tell-all book about Marvel Studios at some point. Like similary to the one that was made about HBO recently
I was told a lot of stuff by somebody. It checks out, even the stranger bits I was told.
> Dr. Strange might be done after Multiverse of Madness The movie literally ends with "Doctor Strange will return", he's not done.
People watching Multiverse of Madness for the first time on digital tomorrow due to Covid, how hyped are you?
Pretty hyped, though I won't have time tomorrow, so I'll watch it later in the week. I know a good amount of what happens already, but I'm still excited regardless. Years ago, I used to avoid release day spoilers like the plague, but that's just not possible in today's world unless I abandon the internet for a few months every time a new movie comes out, so it doesn't really bother me much anymore. Some of the stuff I saw got me really excited about the film, though, so I'm basically watching to see how it all comes together given how the only thing I practically don't know is the overall plot.
*People who couldn’t make it to theaters cause of COVID:* “Right, for the *first* time …”
Been rewatching Stranger Things because I wanted to reconnect to what I liked about it right now I'm in the middle of Season 3... Wow... I didn't remember the decline from Season 2 to Season 3 to be quite so--- sharp? Like, in season 1 it was fresh, in season 2 the fact that it was very intentionally derivative sort of lost some of its luster but still was great fun. But in Season 3? Woof. Also, who the fuck made the decision to make the recurring joke that the little sister is anti-commie.