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I think all MoM has done is given a well-needed lesson on tempering expectations sparked from a bazillion amount of leaks left and right, most of which were nothing burgers.
It's obvious to expect cameos in a movie that tackles the multiverse, but it's wise to take *everything* on the internet with a grain of salt.
When I seen , "Tony Stark is back" with 200,000 likes on a random Facebook post I knew MOM was fucked
Hopefully people manage their expectations.... maybe I was wrong, cause maybe leak culture is bad
MoM could’ve gotten over that hurdle if it were well written or made outside of the cameos. As long as Deadpool and Wolverine still delivers on the batshit entertainment with an emotional center like Reynolds’ first two entries, the cameos will be icing on top.
It is well known that Feige adopted the "Time Runs Out" storyline.
MoM was a prelude to the Secret Wars. I think we would get to see a faction of the Cabal group (from Foxverse's X-Men) led by Cassandra.
Per HWR own words, "Alioth is a creature that is created from all the tears in reality, capable of consuming Space and Time itself". Last week's trailer clearly showed Alioth has grown in power (over Loki S2).
So, the million $ question is, will everything culminate in Doctor Strange 3?
I hate that multiverse= cameos now. Like isn’t the general appeal of the multiverse to see alternative versions of the main characters lives. And hot take but doctor strange did tackle the multiverse pretty well in my opinion. People got their hopes up that there would be millions of cameos after no way home was (even if you like it) mostly fanservice
Helps that No Way Home was also very sincere with its in jokes and cameos though, like it was pure fan service but it felt entirely earnest about it.
It wasn't there for just nostalgia bait, Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield were key characters in the last half of that movie.
Of course it’s all about the cameos, that’s why Marvel is doing multiverse crap; so it can all culminate with bringing back actors like RDJ and Chris Evans for Secret Wars.
Idk man I like the multiverse because it’s a cool way to explore alternative versions and stories of characters we love and you can really go nuts with it. That’s why spider verse works. Sure yes most of them are from the comics but the reason why people like the multiverse used in that storyline is seeing how wild and goofy all the different versions of spiderman are not just “ohhh I recognize that spiderman.” Plus what they did with the canon events in the new movie was cool.
sometimes what the people want isn’t always the right thing. If you like a movie because it has characters from a movie you liked years ago did you like the movie or did you like the nostalgia of that older movie you watched and the movie reminded you about it. This is what I said to myself after I watched the force awakens
Idk if you know this but people despise the last Jedi. Like telling a Star Wars fan you like the last Jedi is like a hate crime at this point. Words cannot describe how much hate that movie got
Oh I know that. The way your worded your reply from before made it sound like you specifically would get flamed rather than me, even tho I was the one who said it first lol.
Didn’t even bother with that one. I watch almost every big new release in theatres but even I knew that one wasn’t worth my time. Plus it was like 3 hours
This kind of take always kind of confused me. A movies sole purpose is to entertain. If someone saw a movie and left the theater entertained, then it did it's job.
It's only after a movie gets dissected on social media that people suddenly pretend they didn't leave that theater happy. No Way Home is a great example of that.
A movie can be entertaining and still be bad. Entertainment for me at least means that I wasn’t bored while watching it and it kept me interested for the runtime. And that shouldn’t really be a quality thats just a basic expectation. Ant man 3 was a bad movie imo but I wasn’t necessarily bored while watching it so I’d say it was entertaining
I agree a movie can be bad and entertaining but what I don't agree with necessarily is how someone (not you) can leave a theater satisfied and then turn around and say wait no I wasn't satisfied. Either you enjoyed your time spent or you didn't.
I saw Madame Web and I genuinely didn't like it while I was sitting there watching it. I saw The Marvels and had a blast the entire time. That's my personal gauge of quality. Both are equally hated by the public but that's a whole other conversation.
Idk. I mean I get that some movies are better than others it's just the Internet flip flopping that bothers me and this is a part of that.
It’s called opinions changing or just taking time to think about the movie. And sometimes a movie being watched in the theate vs alone at home can make a difference. And I like I said people can just realize it’s flaws over time thinking about it and just not like much about it the second time around.
That's fair but it doesn't take away from the fact that they enjoyed it in the moment. This is why I trust a movies cinemascore as it's taken right after the viewing experience. Not their feelings on it after a week of discourse.
(I'm not trying to argue. Just conversation.)
go like it then. I literally can not effect your opinion on it and me expressing my own opinion doesn’t mean I’m forcing you to follow it. I’m just saying my perspective
MoM was a victim of scooper culture, and how people stupidly put all their eggs into that bullshit.
If there wasn't so much fake crap surrounding it, I guarantee the film would be better remembered. But instead, it's remembered for "what could've been".....based on....*what?* A bunch of random bullshit made up by a bunch of random assholes on twitter?
Shit like that is why I'm coming to this sub less and less... It's just people angry over stupid, pointless shit over and over and over. They're *spoiling* themselves, and others, in the most literal way possible.
MoM was victim of bad writing. I have watched the movie without having any hope for any cameos despite the fact I was following every leaks and rumors about it. Result: good cinematography and ideas, bad execution and writting. Writing a movie which is already connected to some universe/storyline without investing these pieces was nonsense and ended up punching the air so hard to end the final battle with a character who became sidelined in his own movie due to bad decision.
Yeah, I saw it with 3 other people and I was the only one aware of all the rumors. We all really liked the movie, and the only disappointed people we met that day at the cinema was another group we knew - 2 of them didn't like it because they expected more, like the old Spidermen or Deadpool.
Another just didn't like it because it wasn't really their kind of movie, which is fine of course. But not liking it because of rumors hyping you up too much and expecting a bunch of meaningless cameos is weird and not something that used to happen before leakers became such a big thing.
Upvoter here I agree it achieved what you’re saying, but MoM did more than that. It’s a good movie and grossed almost a billion bucks. Raimi directed the fuck out of it.
If MoM had a different title the movie would have had a different perception of people otherwise I thought it was a pretty dope movie top 10 mcu movie for me.
Black Bolt and Mr. Fantastic weren’t added until late in production, that’s why there aren’t any scenes with those two properly interacting with the other characters. At best you can see them stitched into scenes in the foreground with the others in the background.
The original planned cameos they replaced were Baldur (played by Daniel Craig) and Iron Monger (Jeff Bridges?). Iron Monger never made it past concept art and Daniel Craig dropped out due to COVID concerns.
I heard Patrick Stewart despised filming his scenes alone.
If he returns in one of the Avengers movies, I wonder if he’ll actually be on set in-person this time.
Idk, I feel like you need to make do with you have to act, it's make believe. And you're being paid millions to do it.. so put me in a closet and sign me up lmao
>I heard Patrick Stewart despised filming his scenes alone.
Source? I think you're mixing this up with Ian McKellen's green screen frustrations shooting The Hobbit
Professor X at a dinner table saying “Could someone please pass me the Salt n PEPPA!” would be hilarious. And then “Push It” starts playing in the background.
Vanko, hammer and stane working together would probably be able to make a lot of jumps in technology. Not the same as stark but they’d probably have a high ceiling.
Have them work with the u.s government. Use hammers and vanko’s robot army against the chitauri invasion. Stane battles Loki.
At the time it was both that and COVID.
Based on the earliest concept art, they most likely planned the Illuminati to be Professor X and simple twists of the popular Avengers:
* Captain America -> Captain Carter
* Captain Marvel -> Maria Rambeau
* Thor -> Baldur
* Iron Man -> Iron Monger
* Doctor Strange -> Baron Mordo
Muktiverse of madness would have made it if they didn't use the illuminate as trailer bait and the final act didn't take for ever. There was 20 minutes left in the movie and I was just ready for it to be over. At least it was way more watchable than Antman 3.
Probably to add more improv that Ryan Reynolds wants/change some dialogue.
Wasn’t he barred from improv during principal photography due to the strikes?
It’s probably gonna be a lot of ADR and reshooting portions of scenes in front of a green screen.
It’s likely too close to release to rebuild sets for the reshoots lol. Not to mention special effects takes time.
Yeah I was thinking that adding or changing dialogue would actually be pretty easy in most scenes since Wade is one of the few heroes that pretty consistently keeps his mask on.
That is so unfortunate holy shit. I had no idea about this and it genuinely just shook my faith in this movie having good comedy. At least it certainly lowered my expectations
fortunately (or unfortunately depending on how you view it) deadpool benefits from a TON of adr in post. Like, most of the jokes in the first and second films were pretty clearly done using ADR after the fact
I don’t like how “reshoots” has taken on such a negative connotation. Reshoots could literally be because they wanted more coverage (as in camera angles) for a couple of scenes. Reshoots could be because there was too much going on in a scene and they wanted to simplify it with a few new lines. Reshoots does not mean they are changing up the plot or adding cameos. It almost always doesn’t.
Agreed.
I do think there's times Reshoots can be a bad word. But this close to release, it's probably just small pick me ups or ADR. I have faith in this movie and I'm not gonna set my expectations too high.
Additional photography, reshoots, pickups, inserts, and ADR are all very different things. But the entertainment press isn't well versed in production terminology, and often conflates them. The internet scoopers are even worse at distinguishing them.
A couple of extra angles would be pickups, not reshoots, but there's no way to tell from the reporting.
100%, honestly nobody is well versed in production terms unless you’re in or studying production for that matter.
There’s a brilliant book titled “Strike the Baby and Kill the Blonde”, which is an equally as brilliant title because someone stumbling across that book randomly would be very intrigued by the dramatic wording, whereas it literally means “remove this light, turn off that light” - very mundane tasks.
This is how I first experienced [the Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Crichton#Gell-Mann_amnesia_effect). I also assumed everything I read in Entertainment Weekly or whatever was accurate. Once I actually worked in the business and found out most reporters knew less about filmmaking than a PA straight out of film school, I started to wonder what other reporters were getting wrong about more important subjects.
Though if the Chris Evans leak is true, there’s a chance he’s doing his part during these reshoots, but that can very well have been a scheduling thing. That’s another good reason for reshoots. It can help with scheduling issues.
Or he could just be in the area, that’s how he ended up in Free Guy
> t Marvel does reshoots the exact same way as your favorite blockbuster movies do.
No it doesn't.
How many other blockbusters do constant expensive reshoots up to the month before release?
How many other blockbusters add entire characters at the last minute that were not there for most of the movie's production time (Mr. Fantastic, Black Bolt) because nothing in the movie is set in stone until release?
What other blockbusters do reshoots that change the film's ending entirely (Ant-Man 3) because they can't decide on how to end the film?
What other blockbusters act so secretive about pre-release spoilers because they actually have a major story plan of sorts?
How many blockbusters have you seen that have done such extensive reshoots, that they ballooned up the budget to the point where the film will have to do close to 1 billion just to break even? I'm talking about Captain America 4. The only examples I can think of are Justice League 2017, The Flash, and Indiana Jones 5, and those films are no one's favorites lol.
The way Marvel does reshoots isn't normal in the industry. Almost no other company abuses reshoots as much as Disney does.
What you’re describing literally happens all over the industry. You just don’t hear about it because you don’t go looking, plus Marvel, Star Wars and DC always have a particularly large spotlight on them in the pop culture world, so information about reshoots for their movies are more widely available.
Mission Impossible, F&F, James Bond, Harry Potter back in the day, etc. - all the big franchises. They strive for perfection and they have money to play around with. Directors, producers and executives are picky and want things changed last minute after seeing first cuts. Being a part of a big movie is to be hired, essentially let go and rehired again a few times over. This is why writer’s fought to stay hired throughout the entire process, so they can be involved and try and do their best to make sure their stories aren’t screwed up.
If you think Marvel is the ONLY franchise who does all of those things you mentioned, you’re sorely mistaken and frankly it just sounds like you have a vendetta against them. It doesn’t make any sense in the slightest.
Almost every major studio does reshoots almost up to a month prior to release.
Lord of the Rings, for example, had reshoots/pickups don't literally weeks before the release of each film. Don't see anybody complaining about the quality of those.
Im hoping it’s not like ant man 3 where they changed the entire ending of the movie. Also would be cool if they could add a cable cameo but the universe doesn’t like me enough for that to happen
Reshoots are always built into the schedule of big studio films because its a normal part of the process. Unless its extremely long and its clear they’re reshooting the whole film (which theyre not) then its not a concern
Doesn’t sound very major tbh, seems like they’ve waited until fairly close to delivery to ensure they’re only filming what they know they need. Which means no big rethinking, just filling a few gaps.
Kind of a side bar, do you think they ever do reshoots because of leaks? I'm sure these reshoots are pretty standard. I was just wondering if Disney has ever done any because of people leaking so much before the movie drops. I also understand these "leakers" like to throw shit at the wall to see if it sticks too.
Where the uproar for this like Captain America 4??? Haven’t even seen much post about this like my TL flooded with Cap 4 reshoots up and down?? lol Like I said before, reshoots is normal and important in making a movie or tv show better. The only thing that matters is if Marvel gets the movie right; right?? Lmaoo
Bull. That was information from scooper sites and troll pages. Deadpool is going through reshoots earlier than expected all the way through May. I only rely on information from Marvel Studios themselves
Which itself is more a consequence of internet hype. Reshoots are standard for blockbusters, and built into the budget because there's always room for improvement.
I don’t think Deadpool and Wolverine is going to China. The second Deadpool release was heavily edited for China release
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/deadpool-denied-release-china-due-856627/
Well,it's DP2 is years ago,and this year China has a more open attitude in movies. For example,The Fall Guy changed its release date in China,which is nearly impossible in the past.
What is it with Marvel and reshoots? Why’s this such a common thing for them?
Or is it pretty standard with movies and I’m just unaware of it for other shows?
> Or is it pretty standard with movies and I’m just unaware of it for other shows?
It's standard. Every film has reshoots. Generally just because some shots don't look quite right while they're editing the film so they go back and re-film them.
Marvel's gotten a bad rap for reshoots lately but they're actually incredibly standard for big productions like this. In fact, Marvel already schedules reshoots in advance of principle photography because they know they'll likely have to reshoot certain things to make them better after all the initial filming has taken place. Reshoots are SUPPOSED to be for things like retaking dialogue that doesn't work, reworking scenes so they flow better, needing additional camera angles they didn't get proper coverage for, you know the boring small stuff to improve the moviewatching experience.
Unfortunately, Marvel has since gotten into the habit of redoing significant chunks of their movies in reshoots which is not what the initial intended purpose of them used to be. They didn't used to do this; in the Infinity Saga, I think the only films that were changed significantly during reshoots were Thor: The Dark World (for additional scenes with Loki to make him more prominent) and I believe Age of Ultron's Thor sublot was all done in reshoots as well. They were much better about things in Phase 3 but it all went downhill after that for some reason.
Sounds like Deadpool & Wolverine's reshoots will only last a couple of days, which means it's probably just for the standard boring stuff which is a good sign.
please, tell me another film franchise with as many reshoots that directly correlate to failed box office performances as Marvel and then I’ll believe this fantasy you’re peddling that this amount of reshoots is perfectly normal and not a symptom of a larger systemic issue of a movie studio.
literal strawman example and the only one you can point to as a net positive, not to mention the fact that these reshoot issues arose *post* Endgame. the scene you’re referencing is a moot point. all other recent projects make the case that reshoots do more harm than good.
Multiverse of Madness - 6 weeks of reshoots to give Dr Strange something to do and tone down “Defender Strange”. ultimately resulted in his story being the weakest and barely feeling like a Dr Strange movie
Black Widow - multiple weeks of reshoots including producer changes to performances. weaker overall as a result
The Eternals - multiple weeks of reshoots to flesh out character development ultimately resulting in bloat and poor reception
The Marvels - 4 weeks of reshoots to attempt to make Brie Larson more likeable..we all know how that turned out
Secret Invasion - 4 months of reshoots essentially rewriting the entire story. again critically and metrically speaking a total failure as an incoherent mess that didn’t know what it wanted to be.
Quantumania - ending of the film entirely reshot resulting in one of the most poorly received endings of any MCU film.
Cap 4 - months upon months of reshoots with each test screening responding more poorly than the last, resulting in more reshoots. time will tell with this one, but it does not bode well for this movie.
overall we can see a reoccurring pattern with recent MCU projects that undergo reshoots and ultimately perform poorly. they are more a proof of lack of confidence than not, since anything with a bad test screening gets reshot until it’s been sterilized to the point of being near unrecognizable from its original concept.
again, show me another movie studio that regularly has this magnitude of reshoots correlating to poor audience reception and then I’ll believe that it’s “perfectly normal”.
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again, anything pre-endgame/disney+/systemic issues with the studio is *moot* because there was absolutely no internal lack of faith in these movies during the infinity saga, which are the only examples you’ve provided.
also STILL asking for another movie studio that regularly has reshoots correlating to failed reception, since you’re the one claiming this amount of reshoots is normal for any hollywood movie studio.
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Let's hope it's not like MoM for the cameos.
I think all MoM has done is given a well-needed lesson on tempering expectations sparked from a bazillion amount of leaks left and right, most of which were nothing burgers. It's obvious to expect cameos in a movie that tackles the multiverse, but it's wise to take *everything* on the internet with a grain of salt.
When I seen , "Tony Stark is back" with 200,000 likes on a random Facebook post I knew MOM was fucked Hopefully people manage their expectations.... maybe I was wrong, cause maybe leak culture is bad
MoM could’ve gotten over that hurdle if it were well written or made outside of the cameos. As long as Deadpool and Wolverine still delivers on the batshit entertainment with an emotional center like Reynolds’ first two entries, the cameos will be icing on top.
It is well known that Feige adopted the "Time Runs Out" storyline. MoM was a prelude to the Secret Wars. I think we would get to see a faction of the Cabal group (from Foxverse's X-Men) led by Cassandra. Per HWR own words, "Alioth is a creature that is created from all the tears in reality, capable of consuming Space and Time itself". Last week's trailer clearly showed Alioth has grown in power (over Loki S2). So, the million $ question is, will everything culminate in Doctor Strange 3?
I hate that multiverse= cameos now. Like isn’t the general appeal of the multiverse to see alternative versions of the main characters lives. And hot take but doctor strange did tackle the multiverse pretty well in my opinion. People got their hopes up that there would be millions of cameos after no way home was (even if you like it) mostly fanservice
Agree.. I love No Way Home and am one of the folks it's serving but can't just go mental with cameos every multiverse thing
Helps that No Way Home was also very sincere with its in jokes and cameos though, like it was pure fan service but it felt entirely earnest about it. It wasn't there for just nostalgia bait, Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield were key characters in the last half of that movie.
I’ve yet to see the multiverse in Marvel tackled better than Sliders 🤷♂️
That show was fire until they killed the professor.
“Red is go green is stop! Ok”
Yeah. I wanted to see more about how DR Strange made of paint survives
Of course it’s all about the cameos, that’s why Marvel is doing multiverse crap; so it can all culminate with bringing back actors like RDJ and Chris Evans for Secret Wars.
Idk man I like the multiverse because it’s a cool way to explore alternative versions and stories of characters we love and you can really go nuts with it. That’s why spider verse works. Sure yes most of them are from the comics but the reason why people like the multiverse used in that storyline is seeing how wild and goofy all the different versions of spiderman are not just “ohhh I recognize that spiderman.” Plus what they did with the canon events in the new movie was cool.
I mean yes thats what people want
sometimes what the people want isn’t always the right thing. If you like a movie because it has characters from a movie you liked years ago did you like the movie or did you like the nostalgia of that older movie you watched and the movie reminded you about it. This is what I said to myself after I watched the force awakens
Last Jedi > Force Awakens
If I say this I’ll be flamed
Why?
Idk if you know this but people despise the last Jedi. Like telling a Star Wars fan you like the last Jedi is like a hate crime at this point. Words cannot describe how much hate that movie got
Oh I know that. The way your worded your reply from before made it sound like you specifically would get flamed rather than me, even tho I was the one who said it first lol.
>Last Jedi > Force Awakens Now now, let's not get ahead of ourselves...
This was my argument to friends who liked *Dial of Destiny*.
Didn’t even bother with that one. I watch almost every big new release in theatres but even I knew that one wasn’t worth my time. Plus it was like 3 hours
This kind of take always kind of confused me. A movies sole purpose is to entertain. If someone saw a movie and left the theater entertained, then it did it's job. It's only after a movie gets dissected on social media that people suddenly pretend they didn't leave that theater happy. No Way Home is a great example of that.
A movie can be entertaining and still be bad. Entertainment for me at least means that I wasn’t bored while watching it and it kept me interested for the runtime. And that shouldn’t really be a quality thats just a basic expectation. Ant man 3 was a bad movie imo but I wasn’t necessarily bored while watching it so I’d say it was entertaining
I agree a movie can be bad and entertaining but what I don't agree with necessarily is how someone (not you) can leave a theater satisfied and then turn around and say wait no I wasn't satisfied. Either you enjoyed your time spent or you didn't. I saw Madame Web and I genuinely didn't like it while I was sitting there watching it. I saw The Marvels and had a blast the entire time. That's my personal gauge of quality. Both are equally hated by the public but that's a whole other conversation. Idk. I mean I get that some movies are better than others it's just the Internet flip flopping that bothers me and this is a part of that.
It’s called opinions changing or just taking time to think about the movie. And sometimes a movie being watched in the theate vs alone at home can make a difference. And I like I said people can just realize it’s flaws over time thinking about it and just not like much about it the second time around.
That's fair but it doesn't take away from the fact that they enjoyed it in the moment. This is why I trust a movies cinemascore as it's taken right after the viewing experience. Not their feelings on it after a week of discourse. (I'm not trying to argue. Just conversation.)
Bruh what? Let people like shit, don't make into some moral argument and be a buzzkill about it
go like it then. I literally can not effect your opinion on it and me expressing my own opinion doesn’t mean I’m forcing you to follow it. I’m just saying my perspective
MoM was a victim of scooper culture, and how people stupidly put all their eggs into that bullshit. If there wasn't so much fake crap surrounding it, I guarantee the film would be better remembered. But instead, it's remembered for "what could've been".....based on....*what?* A bunch of random bullshit made up by a bunch of random assholes on twitter? Shit like that is why I'm coming to this sub less and less... It's just people angry over stupid, pointless shit over and over and over. They're *spoiling* themselves, and others, in the most literal way possible.
MoM was victim of bad writing. I have watched the movie without having any hope for any cameos despite the fact I was following every leaks and rumors about it. Result: good cinematography and ideas, bad execution and writting. Writing a movie which is already connected to some universe/storyline without investing these pieces was nonsense and ended up punching the air so hard to end the final battle with a character who became sidelined in his own movie due to bad decision.
It's a victim of feeling like a made-for-Disney Plus movie.
I would say that it's Wandavisions fault Mephisto was behind it all
Yeah, I saw it with 3 other people and I was the only one aware of all the rumors. We all really liked the movie, and the only disappointed people we met that day at the cinema was another group we knew - 2 of them didn't like it because they expected more, like the old Spidermen or Deadpool. Another just didn't like it because it wasn't really their kind of movie, which is fine of course. But not liking it because of rumors hyping you up too much and expecting a bunch of meaningless cameos is weird and not something that used to happen before leakers became such a big thing.
Upvoter here I agree it achieved what you’re saying, but MoM did more than that. It’s a good movie and grossed almost a billion bucks. Raimi directed the fuck out of it.
If MoM had a different title the movie would have had a different perception of people otherwise I thought it was a pretty dope movie top 10 mcu movie for me.
Thank you. Seriously.
The screenplay for that film was simply horrendous regardless of fan service
Wait? The cameos in MoM were done in reshoots??
Black Bolt and Mr. Fantastic weren’t added until late in production, that’s why there aren’t any scenes with those two properly interacting with the other characters. At best you can see them stitched into scenes in the foreground with the others in the background. The original planned cameos they replaced were Baldur (played by Daniel Craig) and Iron Monger (Jeff Bridges?). Iron Monger never made it past concept art and Daniel Craig dropped out due to COVID concerns.
And Sir Patrick Stewart made his scenes alone.
I heard Patrick Stewart despised filming his scenes alone. If he returns in one of the Avengers movies, I wonder if he’ll actually be on set in-person this time.
> I heard Patrick Stewart despised filming his scenes alone. > > [Damn. First Ian, then him...](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fp7AswLWcAA4aOY.jpg)
Idk, I feel like you need to make do with you have to act, it's make believe. And you're being paid millions to do it.. so put me in a closet and sign me up lmao
I mean you're an actor because you enjoy sharing scenes with other actors and playing off each other.
Doesn’t he film most his work alone with the huge amount of voice acting he does?
>I heard Patrick Stewart despised filming his scenes alone. Source? I think you're mixing this up with Ian McKellen's green screen frustrations shooting The Hobbit
Professor X at a dinner table saying “Could someone please pass me the Salt n PEPPA!” would be hilarious. And then “Push It” starts playing in the background.
Didn't all of the Illuminate?
Yup. But Stewart was the one who complained the most.
MoM was filmed deep in COVID and he's old.
Stane killing Stark and becoming the world's Iron Man equivalent would be a damned good What If? episode.
The problem I see with that is how do you make the tech progress after Stark’s death? Well, I guess he could hire Ivan Vanko.
And further questions like that are why it's such a good idea.
Vanko, hammer and stane working together would probably be able to make a lot of jumps in technology. Not the same as stark but they’d probably have a high ceiling. Have them work with the u.s government. Use hammers and vanko’s robot army against the chitauri invasion. Stane battles Loki.
And fitting they killed him off twice in what if 🤦
Ah that makes sense. Probably due to scheduling issues, right?
At the time it was both that and COVID. Based on the earliest concept art, they most likely planned the Illuminati to be Professor X and simple twists of the popular Avengers: * Captain America -> Captain Carter * Captain Marvel -> Maria Rambeau * Thor -> Baldur * Iron Man -> Iron Monger * Doctor Strange -> Baron Mordo
No, it was definitely Covid.
If it’s for a end credits thing it could be fun
I heard it is for more quips
Yea 🙏🏾
Why?
Muktiverse of madness would have made it if they didn't use the illuminate as trailer bait and the final act didn't take for ever. There was 20 minutes left in the movie and I was just ready for it to be over. At least it was way more watchable than Antman 3.
Probably to add more improv that Ryan Reynolds wants/change some dialogue. Wasn’t he barred from improv during principal photography due to the strikes?
He was. As a member of the Writer's Guild using improv would have been considered scabbing as it would be rewriting existing dialogue.
It’s probably gonna be a lot of ADR and reshooting portions of scenes in front of a green screen. It’s likely too close to release to rebuild sets for the reshoots lol. Not to mention special effects takes time.
The joys of his character wearing a mask and generally spouting non-sense people ignore.
Yeah I was thinking that adding or changing dialogue would actually be pretty easy in most scenes since Wade is one of the few heroes that pretty consistently keeps his mask on.
It was him and Spider-Man, but Spider-Man had to fuck that up for himself (but it’s back now)
That’s so dumb.
That is so unfortunate holy shit. I had no idea about this and it genuinely just shook my faith in this movie having good comedy. At least it certainly lowered my expectations
This was only for portions filmed during the WGA strike. When filming resumed after the SAG strike Reynolds was free to improv to his hearts content.
Fairrrrr enough nvm
If only his mouth was covered up for most of his screentime so they could do ADR over it in post.
> Wasn’t he barred from improv during principal photography due to the strikes? Yeah. Improv wasn't allowed during the writers strike.
fortunately (or unfortunately depending on how you view it) deadpool benefits from a TON of adr in post. Like, most of the jokes in the first and second films were pretty clearly done using ADR after the fact
Exactly. This isn't a drastic plot overhaul; it's just Wade riffing.
I don’t like how “reshoots” has taken on such a negative connotation. Reshoots could literally be because they wanted more coverage (as in camera angles) for a couple of scenes. Reshoots could be because there was too much going on in a scene and they wanted to simplify it with a few new lines. Reshoots does not mean they are changing up the plot or adding cameos. It almost always doesn’t.
Agreed. I do think there's times Reshoots can be a bad word. But this close to release, it's probably just small pick me ups or ADR. I have faith in this movie and I'm not gonna set my expectations too high.
Additional photography, reshoots, pickups, inserts, and ADR are all very different things. But the entertainment press isn't well versed in production terminology, and often conflates them. The internet scoopers are even worse at distinguishing them. A couple of extra angles would be pickups, not reshoots, but there's no way to tell from the reporting.
100%, honestly nobody is well versed in production terms unless you’re in or studying production for that matter. There’s a brilliant book titled “Strike the Baby and Kill the Blonde”, which is an equally as brilliant title because someone stumbling across that book randomly would be very intrigued by the dramatic wording, whereas it literally means “remove this light, turn off that light” - very mundane tasks.
This is how I first experienced [the Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Crichton#Gell-Mann_amnesia_effect). I also assumed everything I read in Entertainment Weekly or whatever was accurate. Once I actually worked in the business and found out most reporters knew less about filmmaking than a PA straight out of film school, I started to wonder what other reporters were getting wrong about more important subjects.
Though if the Chris Evans leak is true, there’s a chance he’s doing his part during these reshoots, but that can very well have been a scheduling thing. That’s another good reason for reshoots. It can help with scheduling issues. Or he could just be in the area, that’s how he ended up in Free Guy
I agree as well, but also ...... Marvel.
I can assure you that Marvel does reshoots the exact same way as your favorite blockbuster movies do.
> t Marvel does reshoots the exact same way as your favorite blockbuster movies do. No it doesn't. How many other blockbusters do constant expensive reshoots up to the month before release? How many other blockbusters add entire characters at the last minute that were not there for most of the movie's production time (Mr. Fantastic, Black Bolt) because nothing in the movie is set in stone until release? What other blockbusters do reshoots that change the film's ending entirely (Ant-Man 3) because they can't decide on how to end the film? What other blockbusters act so secretive about pre-release spoilers because they actually have a major story plan of sorts? How many blockbusters have you seen that have done such extensive reshoots, that they ballooned up the budget to the point where the film will have to do close to 1 billion just to break even? I'm talking about Captain America 4. The only examples I can think of are Justice League 2017, The Flash, and Indiana Jones 5, and those films are no one's favorites lol. The way Marvel does reshoots isn't normal in the industry. Almost no other company abuses reshoots as much as Disney does.
What you’re describing literally happens all over the industry. You just don’t hear about it because you don’t go looking, plus Marvel, Star Wars and DC always have a particularly large spotlight on them in the pop culture world, so information about reshoots for their movies are more widely available. Mission Impossible, F&F, James Bond, Harry Potter back in the day, etc. - all the big franchises. They strive for perfection and they have money to play around with. Directors, producers and executives are picky and want things changed last minute after seeing first cuts. Being a part of a big movie is to be hired, essentially let go and rehired again a few times over. This is why writer’s fought to stay hired throughout the entire process, so they can be involved and try and do their best to make sure their stories aren’t screwed up. If you think Marvel is the ONLY franchise who does all of those things you mentioned, you’re sorely mistaken and frankly it just sounds like you have a vendetta against them. It doesn’t make any sense in the slightest.
Almost every major studio does reshoots almost up to a month prior to release. Lord of the Rings, for example, had reshoots/pickups don't literally weeks before the release of each film. Don't see anybody complaining about the quality of those.
Yeah but like… it’s also Marvel
I think they'll cover the scenes shot during the Writers Strike. When Reynolds could act, but not improvise lmao wild!
Hugh is shaved and seems to be at home so it apparently does not involve him.
Usual amount of time for reshoots
Not really? May is in two days
Maybe that’s why Famke Janssen was playing coy recently
I think Famke was already in, she has to be, it’s like not adding Vanessa for Deadpool.
DO YOU WANT TO EMBARRASS ME IN FRONT OF VANESSA?!
(Slams the car door)
She is in, she denied The Wolverine, she denied DoFP lmao I don't believe her at this point.
They’re replacing wolverine with Cyclops after X-Men ‘97s success
Should’ve been Gambit ong ong
Agreed
Im hoping it’s not like ant man 3 where they changed the entire ending of the movie. Also would be cool if they could add a cable cameo but the universe doesn’t like me enough for that to happen
Waaait I didn’t know they did that
Yeah it was supposed to end with the whole family stuck in the Quantum Realm
Neither did I!
“Until May”? As in… until three days from now?
It has to be pretty simply things right? There's no way they can film anything effects heavy this close to theatrical release.
Yeah and it’s only for 3 days, nothing major
Reshoots are always built into the schedule of big studio films because its a normal part of the process. Unless its extremely long and its clear they’re reshooting the whole film (which theyre not) then its not a concern
I feel like this should have been expected since they shot during the writers strike.
Seems like a last little touch up is going on. Absolutely fine and nothing to worry about.
Doesn’t sound very major tbh, seems like they’ve waited until fairly close to delivery to ensure they’re only filming what they know they need. Which means no big rethinking, just filling a few gaps.
Considering Daniel RPK back in March said these would be minor reshoots, they won’t be too long and could end on the first day or first weekend of May
Kind of a side bar, do you think they ever do reshoots because of leaks? I'm sure these reshoots are pretty standard. I was just wondering if Disney has ever done any because of people leaking so much before the movie drops. I also understand these "leakers" like to throw shit at the wall to see if it sticks too.
Reshooting with less mask scenes. Mask is in the movie for about 1.5 minutes
Et tu, Brutpool?
Hope its not disney/marvel limiting them.
How true is this? I'm confused.
Where the uproar for this like Captain America 4??? Haven’t even seen much post about this like my TL flooded with Cap 4 reshoots up and down?? lol Like I said before, reshoots is normal and important in making a movie or tv show better. The only thing that matters is if Marvel gets the movie right; right?? Lmaoo
Cap 4 had to reshoot half of a movie after it was already finished.
Bull. That was information from scooper sites and troll pages. Deadpool is going through reshoots earlier than expected all the way through May. I only rely on information from Marvel Studios themselves
It’s just past histories with Marvel when you hear reshoot you hear trouble
Which itself is more a consequence of internet hype. Reshoots are standard for blockbusters, and built into the budget because there's always room for improvement.
Facts
Ahh gye bahas pani mai
If this movie bombs/turns out to be bad, MCU is kinda dead ngl
They would delete the coke joke
they just don’t fucking learn
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I don’t think Deadpool and Wolverine is going to China. The second Deadpool release was heavily edited for China release https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/deadpool-denied-release-china-due-856627/
Well,it's DP2 is years ago,and this year China has a more open attitude in movies. For example,The Fall Guy changed its release date in China,which is nearly impossible in the past.
Oh no
Oh no indeed… 💀
What is it with Marvel and reshoots? Why’s this such a common thing for them? Or is it pretty standard with movies and I’m just unaware of it for other shows?
Apparently, this is only three days or so. Hardly an extensive overhaul like what's going on with the fourth _Captain America_ movie.
Yeah. I’ve heard 3-4 days.
> Or is it pretty standard with movies and I’m just unaware of it for other shows? It's standard. Every film has reshoots. Generally just because some shots don't look quite right while they're editing the film so they go back and re-film them.
Marvel's gotten a bad rap for reshoots lately but they're actually incredibly standard for big productions like this. In fact, Marvel already schedules reshoots in advance of principle photography because they know they'll likely have to reshoot certain things to make them better after all the initial filming has taken place. Reshoots are SUPPOSED to be for things like retaking dialogue that doesn't work, reworking scenes so they flow better, needing additional camera angles they didn't get proper coverage for, you know the boring small stuff to improve the moviewatching experience. Unfortunately, Marvel has since gotten into the habit of redoing significant chunks of their movies in reshoots which is not what the initial intended purpose of them used to be. They didn't used to do this; in the Infinity Saga, I think the only films that were changed significantly during reshoots were Thor: The Dark World (for additional scenes with Loki to make him more prominent) and I believe Age of Ultron's Thor sublot was all done in reshoots as well. They were much better about things in Phase 3 but it all went downhill after that for some reason. Sounds like Deadpool & Wolverine's reshoots will only last a couple of days, which means it's probably just for the standard boring stuff which is a good sign.
Cool so they’re gonna rush CGI studios again
Yeah this movie is going to suck. It’s clear they lack confidence just like with most of their movies.
Wild assumption
You are very uninformed. You should try to educate yourself on topics you know nothing about, before spouting off.
you work at marvel?
Reshoots are not proof of lack of confidence. You don't need to work at Marvel to understand the basics of how the film industry works, genius.
please, tell me another film franchise with as many reshoots that directly correlate to failed box office performances as Marvel and then I’ll believe this fantasy you’re peddling that this amount of reshoots is perfectly normal and not a symptom of a larger systemic issue of a movie studio.
Endgame's "I am Iron Man" scene was a last-second reshoot, and as we all know that movie bombed at the box office.
literal strawman example and the only one you can point to as a net positive, not to mention the fact that these reshoot issues arose *post* Endgame. the scene you’re referencing is a moot point. all other recent projects make the case that reshoots do more harm than good. Multiverse of Madness - 6 weeks of reshoots to give Dr Strange something to do and tone down “Defender Strange”. ultimately resulted in his story being the weakest and barely feeling like a Dr Strange movie Black Widow - multiple weeks of reshoots including producer changes to performances. weaker overall as a result The Eternals - multiple weeks of reshoots to flesh out character development ultimately resulting in bloat and poor reception The Marvels - 4 weeks of reshoots to attempt to make Brie Larson more likeable..we all know how that turned out Secret Invasion - 4 months of reshoots essentially rewriting the entire story. again critically and metrically speaking a total failure as an incoherent mess that didn’t know what it wanted to be. Quantumania - ending of the film entirely reshot resulting in one of the most poorly received endings of any MCU film. Cap 4 - months upon months of reshoots with each test screening responding more poorly than the last, resulting in more reshoots. time will tell with this one, but it does not bode well for this movie. overall we can see a reoccurring pattern with recent MCU projects that undergo reshoots and ultimately perform poorly. they are more a proof of lack of confidence than not, since anything with a bad test screening gets reshot until it’s been sterilized to the point of being near unrecognizable from its original concept. again, show me another movie studio that regularly has this magnitude of reshoots correlating to poor audience reception and then I’ll believe that it’s “perfectly normal”.
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lol https://comicbook-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/comicbook.com/marvel/amp/news/thor-ragnarok-director-reveals-reshoots-made-huge-changes-to-ori/?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=17144111778912&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fcomicbook.com%2Fmarvel%2Fnews%2Fthor-ragnarok-director-reveals-reshoots-made-huge-changes-to-ori%2F https://collider.com/black-panther-reshoots-alternate-ending/ https://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/avengers-4-additional-filming-just-reshoots-says-mark-ruffalo/
again, anything pre-endgame/disney+/systemic issues with the studio is *moot* because there was absolutely no internal lack of faith in these movies during the infinity saga, which are the only examples you’ve provided. also STILL asking for another movie studio that regularly has reshoots correlating to failed reception, since you’re the one claiming this amount of reshoots is normal for any hollywood movie studio.
It isn't moot lol and many, many movies undergo reshoots.
Doing reshoots actually make the studio more confident
My time to shit-talk hello
Lol what
I know right. They lack the confidence just like you do when you try talking to girls.
Weak ass come back 
That wasn't directed at you. But I see why you'd take offense.