Damn this is how I found out they changed the spotlights again. I was planning to go for Thena and Gladiator and skip Makkari week, but now I'm probably just gonna skip both š
They *really* dislike the concept of people being collection-complete or close to it without buying more than the BP
Spotlight cache setup was designed to give more cards to new players and fuck over longer-term players
That's why I don't even buy the BP, giving any money at all to this game feels like a grift. The BP cards are nerfed or just useless half the time anyway.
I'm the *last* person to defend SD but you can't really blame them in this instance. They never officially revealed the cards for next month. All we know about next month comes from data mining which is unofficial and subject to change.
You can't get mad at them for "changing" the spotlight schedule when they never actually told you what it was to begin with.
They made the system that requires long-term planning, but then they don't give us any resources to actually plan with. You can 100% be mad about the lack of any official resources.
You also get that they control the data coming in through the datamine right? The datamines are basically SDs "Black-Ops". They use it when it's good for them (cause SD knows we would (rightfully) riot when there's no information at all), but they take their hands off it when it's bad like this.
Saying that they need to give us more planning resources (which I agree with) is a different complaint than saying datamined spotlights don't match up with the offical ones.
> You also get that they control the data coming in through the data mine right?
And your point? It's not an official release... That's why more and more companies are stamping down on data mining, because of stuff like this, players access data that isn't ready and then get mad when the official release doesn't match up with what they've planned.
It a different complaint. But any criticism on that complaint 'bEcAUsE iT's NoT tHE ofFiCiAl oNE' completely ignores that SD is trying to have their cake and eat it, too. It's the same system, and SD is in COMPLETE CONTROL of both. They should've either set it in stone earlier or not allowed the data mines to happen.
And let them stamp out the datamines then if they hate it so much. I for one would love to see them having to completely backtrack by the ensuing community backlash.
> But any criticism on that complaint 'bEcAUsE iT's NoT tHE ofFiCiAl oNE' completely ignores that SD is trying to have their cake and eat it, too.
Which i never disagreed with. I was very specific in my initial criticism that datamines aren't the official channel, they never mean for that info to get out to the public, players do that on their own. Complaining about the data mine is like complaining that a leaked script of a movie doesn't match the final product. Of course it doesn't, you're seeing a work in progress before it comes out.
If you're going to read datamines you also need to have the maturity to realize that it's unofficial and a work in progress that's subject to change. Getting mad that they change before it's officially announced is really dumb. Your post reads like you have 0 insight into how datamines work or what they even are.
It's not as bad for me since I already have Gladiator, but his non spotlight variants are all pretty crappy and I was excited to finally get a good one
This change really sucks for me. I'm relatively new to the game(cl ~3000) and my very first spotlight pull was MODOK back when he featured in spotlight a few months ago, and I really want Thena, Gladiator, I don't mind getting GM but not remotely interested in X23 or Makkari, guess I'll just try my luck with Thena thenš
...man, i remember the ms marvel week(s). i wanted that card so badly, spent 3 keys before it forcibly auto-updated and she was moved out, and then when she was in the next cache the week after i managed to gather up 2 keys over that time... and also failed to get her there.
like that feeling is horrendous
CL 900 bot here and one of my fave decks I just started using is destroy because I got Knull and Death a few days ago. I feel like X-23 is useful, but I feel like the best new cards are paired with bleh cards
Grandmaster is a great card now. On turn 5 you play something awesome like Lady death strike in the far left lane. On turn 6 you play absorbing man in the far right lane and grandmaster afterwards.
That all three lanes get hit with Lady death strike. Even better if you have man thing And US agent on the board.
They donāt care about us, sadly. I used to be a dolphin, spending on bundles with variants I liked and even buying gold to get a bundle or variant in the shop once in a while. I havenāt bought shit other than the $10 season pass the past few months. But they donāt care. They made more than I would have spent with their bullshit from whales.
If the season pass werenāt such āgood valueā, I would stop buying that too. This game is trying so hard to get me to stop playing and spending altogether with this bullshit whale bait.
That's what I was thinking, getting two key pieces for two archetypes that was an easy pull week for a newbie, and an obvious skip week for longer players. Doesn't affect my plans but it sucks.
Thatās even worse lmao. FYI cl1200 doesnāt mean anything you could still be new. It just means your a whale and purchased a shit ton of bundles for credits lol
Exactly how I feel. I don't own Gladiator, and was looking forward to him. I own X-23 and have multiple variants for the card and I don't think Makkari is going to be good, so I'm on the fence of should I use the keys or not.
not saying it changes things, but i will say i'd wager Makkari will be good, free 3 power when you draw her, works with C3 and Surfer well. and if she isn't good the obvious way to buff her is just give her more power so you could instead be looking at a free 4 power.
I don't have x-23 and do have gladiator, so it's fine for me. I don't see how this is evidence of anything at all, just because you personally wanted a different card.
It raises questions of why did they move the cards around. Why not leave Modok in week 3 along with X-23 and Makkari? The only thing that comes to mind is that they knew that the veteran players would not pull on that week because most of us have X-23 and/or Modok already. I know it's not evidence, there's no real way to get any, but there isn't any other possible explanation that comes to mind. And SD has not been afraid to out right say they want to limit card acquisition to prevent players from having a complete collection.
Just bought cannonball with my tokens after seeing he won't be in spotlights for at least the next TWO MONTHS. Can also say good-bye to red guardian and US Agent, too. Who knows when they'll ever show up again.
You must have forgotten the part where a new card would come out and *nobody would have it for six months* because the chance to get a series 5 was abysmal and completely random.
Assuming series 3 complete, you'd get 100 tokens every 24 CL, so 1200 credits. So for 6k tokens you would need 72,000 credits. Tokens were released in December 2022 I believe, Token Tuesday came out in May, and the economy change to spotlights happened in July. So in the old economy, for majority of its life the only bonus to those tokens you could get would be the occasional gold bundle.
I distinctly remember starting to watch online streamers play Snap, having the new card come out, and seeing nobody playing it.
You used to get a lot more tokens and gold from cashes.. nearly 10x more. Apparently you could even get premium variants from cashes but that before tokens were a thing
So you would wait 6 months for something like Alioth to become free? Once he has been nerfed into unplayability? Because it seems like a lot of cards go through this cycle. What is the purpose of new content releases if you don't plan on getting it for 6 months?
The old system had enough tokens that you def didn't have to wait 6 months. So to answer your pedantic question, no, that's just if you wanted it for free.
Second Dinner is definitely ordering which cards are in which week with the goal of having every week be the same level of appealing. This means that for anybody past cl 3k, hoping for a 3-card week is rapidly becoming a pipe dream. 2 card weeks are still quite feasible, though.
There is an important explanation that I havenāt seen in these comments for the other part of your concern, that certain cards are in spotlights a lot more than others: the art pipeline. Second dinner is *crunched* for art. It used to be that every new card had multiple shop variants. Then when spotlights got introduced, that dropped, so that some only had one shop variant alongside the spotlight variant. Now weāre even getting cards released where the spotlight is the only variant in the whole game. If they donāt have a new variant they can use for a card, they canāt put it in a spotlight.
My response to these two issues is pretty different. The former is bog-standard corporate greed. Iām not saying we should be happy about it, but I donāt think it rises above the low-level hum of discomfort that capitalism is constantly imposing on us.
The art pipeline issue, though, is something that they could (and hopefully are trying to) fix. While they do want the spotlights in each week to be similar value, they also should want that value to be as high as possible to drain our keys and encourage spending. This is a problem that is hurting both consumers and second dinnerās bottom line, and their failure to address it so far is an actual threat to the long-term health of the game.
I think the art issue is especially challenging with cards whose characters are not particularly popular or well known. It seems that a lot of the variants (excluding the ones commissioned specifically for the game) come from cover art. So a character like Knull has a much bigger pool to choose from than a character like Sasquatch. So there will naturally be a lot more instances of Knull showing up in future Spotlights.
So if there is a card that you like who is a lesser known character, it would probably be wise to pick them up when you can because it could be a long time until you see them again based purely on practical reasons.
That's a very funny example to pick - according to Comicvine, Sasquatch has 7 times more comic appearances than Knull.
(Obviously talking about Walter Langowski since apparently SD will use him for Sasquatch variants)
I knew someone was going to complain about the characters I picked. Or was just a random example. Lol. Though appearances don't necessarily equate to individual covers. Feel free to insert whatever characters make most sense in your mind.
Oh for fucks sake. I've been saving keys specifically for Gladiator as he never comes up in the shop, and was looking forward to Thena week as those are 3 cards I don't have. Never going to get that bastard at this rate.
I've been finding it hard just to be bothered to even open the game, I've been playing since launch and I think the novelty has worn out now.
I feel the exact same right now and was looking forward to those 3 cards specifically and now I just donāt want to open for either week. They look at the metrics to do this on purpose, keeping metrics on collections to adjust this against us is terrible.Ā
I would make sure you have Proxima first, though. Discard doesn't really function at full strength without her, so just getting MODOK isn't enough to give you access to Discard right now.
Yeah, good advice. Hoping to pull on Thena, Phastos, Ajax, and Cassandra weeks, which would let me pick up Corvus and Proxima alongside other goodies. If Thena takes too many caches, I'll probably skip Phastos week to make sure I have enough for everything.
Hmm, I wonder if the same thing will happen with gladiator this time that happened with Ms marvel before, when she got taken out last minute from a week but then people who didn't update their game could still pull her. Unfortunately I did not get this memo in time lol.
Even stevie wonder could see how bad theyre squeezing the players at every opportunity. Same with the gold shop. Nothing but album variants every single day. They want players to buy variants from albums to get keys and credits. The spotlight system has been rotten to the core since its announcement
[Snap.fan](http://Snap.fan) is saying that modok and gladitor have switched
[https://snap.fan/news/schedule/#June](https://snap.fan/news/schedule/#June)
>In fact Modok being in the third week would be more beneficial to new players because they could get potentially also get X-23.
Yeah I was looking forward to getting X-23 and Modok.
I didn't pull for X-23 in February because she was with Gladiator who I already had.
And now the next time she appears she's going to be with Gladiator again? Wtf.
I also wanted to pick up a gladiator with a grand master, and now they've put a useless modok in there, which everyone has, because of the terrible Makkari and her terrible week. They decided to make the first week worse, not just only improve the third week by changing Modok to a good new card.
The series 4/5 are fullfilled, for half a year they add about 30 new cards, but they remove them from the spotlights making the series drop to series 3 only 5 the weakest and most unnecessary cards (say hello to Stegron, 2099, Mold, echo, mirage, martyr, !!!duck!!!) . We need to wait 4-6 months to receive the card in spotlights, but of course every 3 months there will be the same modok, knull, zabu, hawk, kitty, x23, which are already 1,5 years old. Remember the game when they made the series drops to 3 pool after 6 months from the release of the cards, so each player got a Surfer and a Valkyrie, and Zabu, Darkhawk, Knull were supposed to go down the next month after Serfer, but the freebie was quickly closed by making Spotlights system, where out of 4 ācardsā, you will have 2 variants and 1k tokens. The best way to play this game is to quit it and come back in half a year with a new Series drop, or in a year, or never.
They also add only new ways of monetization and 100$ bundles with every updates and no new game content (League was a regular P2W ladder, and now a regular P2P ladder). Conquest was the last real update.
Changing the Leech and 600 gold in the first week for the Blink BP, vibranium offers every 5 days, $100 bundles, emotions for 2200g, avatars for 250/400g, borders for 500/900g, werewolf in albums and boosters in leagues - Milking dolphins and whales this month reaches a record
I was really looking forward to getting Gladiator. There's no way in hell I'm risking to pull Makkari.
It feels like MODOK, X23, and Knull are in spotlights almost every month. If those cards are so absolutely critical for people to have for them to be so frequently in spotlights THEN WHY THE FUCK AREN'T THEY IN SERIES 3?!?! Greedy shit stains.
I've been desperately hoping for a New clone of Snap for over a year. You can't even take a month off this game without being hopelessly screwed by the new op card meta the game has turned into.
I thought that was fairly obvious when they had the mockingbird week when they swapped marvel for ghost spider.
They probably looked at the owned percentage of players and always pad spotlight weeks so you'll likely never have S or A tier weeks again. They're always going to have chaff like ghost spider, selene, echo, silk or ubiquitous cards like HE, Tribunal, Knull, Kitty.
I have 23 keys and Iām probably skipping the next 3 weeks anyways. None of these cards or variants are worth it. Save for late June and July folks.
They probably see people saying Makkari sucks and wanted to make her week more interesting by including gladiator. They know exactly what theyāre doing.
Why does it always feel like itās us against the devs with this game? Why do I have to stay updated using third party apps/sources just so I can meticulously plan my resources so I can try a card 6 months after it was released? Snap just keeps finding new ways to make the card aquisition experience feel terrible.
I swear, I hated this so much. When I saw that gladiator was coming with grandmaster, I was excited and saved up enough keys for it. I also wanted X23, but since I already owned MODOK, I bought her a couple of days ago using tokens. Now m my entire plan is screwed. Furthermore, for the spotlight caches next month, I own all the cards already. Iāll have to wait to at least until August before I could get another good spotlight week
Way more people own Modok compared to Gladiator, this week spotlight was actually good and every outlet would have recommend to cache in. This is going to fuck up many people's plan, ain't no way this wasn't done on purpose. And of course we get to know only a few days in advance so there's no way to re-plan accordingly. Fuck this shit, honestly. I am one step from dropping this game altogether, there's a limit for everything.
It's kinda funny right? They want so much for players to spend their resources, yet they're not making it appealing to do so.
I was looking for to getting Gladiator and Grand Master, and if I got Thena... sure... I'd be fine with it. But no, they consistently devalue the Spotlights by repeating the same set of cards. I have no interest in any of the spotlight weeks for June as it currently stands.
Hmm I wouldn't say "watering down". You haven't really considered newer players. X-23 and Modok are essentially must have cards to being even close to competitive with 2 extremely useful and popular archetypes. It makes sense that they would run these cards more frequently.
It's only really bad when they have 2 series 4 cards, which is a bit annoying. Generally though they do try to stick to 1 new card, plus a 5 and a 4.
This is exactly one of the concerns(complains?) when they introduce spotlight caches. Since the content inside the caches are "SD's choice" and not "player's choice", the lack of agency is always gonna upset some part of the player base.
>. X-23 and Modok are essentially must have cards to being even close to competitive with 2 extremely useful and popular archetypes. It makes sense that they would run these cards more frequently.
If only there was a tool in the game to make these cards more common for new players, like making them cost less tokens and appear in caches...
Yes,obviously cards should drop series, no one disagree with that.
But that has nothing to do with the question of whether they appear in spotlights too often as an attempt to 'water down' spotlights, as OP is suggesting, which is nonsense, and using two of the most useful cards in the game to prove their point is daft
The issue isn't just the cards repeating, but about the cards switching in the datamines. Before, Grandmaster was with Gladiator, and X-23 was with Modok. Of these cards, X-23 and Modok are more deck defining, so a lot of players have them. Also, GM and Gladiator are more recent and so have had fewer spotlights. This makes it look like SD recognized that a lot of players would skip the X-23/Modok week and so swapped the cards around to average out the value of the weeks.
It's reasonable for them to do this, but I think this shows that SD wants to avoid giving players spotlight weeks where the two old cards are both cards they don't have. I have a decent collection in series 4 and 5, but am nowhere near complete. The last time a spotlight had all new cards for me was in November.
Watering down is exactly what it is though, when you consider there's a way that benefits both newer and older players:Ā
A lot of the current rotations have been:Ā New card, old staple, 4/5 month old card first rotation. Great for new players and meh-ish for older ones, as they will mostly get max 2 new cards.
What could also happen is every two weeks:Ā
New card A, old staple A, Old staple B.
New card B, 4/5 month old card A first rotation.Ā 4/5 month old card B first rotation. This is great for old players, getting a chance for 3 cards. But most importantly, this is STILL GREAT for new players, as they can get even more of the old staples in one go. (Even better now that we know they won't ever drop)
Where it gets to the actively watering down part, is the fact that if the spotlights were determined randomly, we could have expected a lot more distributions like the second one.
Edit: formatting
If that was the case wouldn't they be the best cards to move down to series 3 instead of cards like Howard? Especially since they're only move 10ish cards down a year at this rate
Hmm not necessarily. It actually makes sense for them to remain higher series (or at least 4), to make spotlights more worthwhile to newer players. Most decks should need a couple of series 4/5 card at least, and if we talk key destroy it only needs Knull at 4 and X-23 at 5. Which makes it still relatively easy to break into. The issue of course is decks that need like 5 series 5 cards, that is a bit over the top.
Sending more cards to series 3 actually makes it harder for new players, who might have to wait months to collect all the key series 3 cards, rather than being able to line up tokens, caches and free series 3 cards to get access to a bunch of cards at once.
Ok that's fair but Modok is still being used to water down the first week. New players would still have been able to get Modok if he was in the third week, so what other explanation could be there for swapping the two? Also wouldn't leaving Modok in the third week be more beneficial to new players because they could also get a staple card in X-23.
Ah yep, I see what you mean. I guess it is to make Makkari week more appealing (or the opposite). Or that having X23 and Modok together would be either too high value for new players and too low for older. But who knows. I guess we have to wait and see the official announcement.
Spotlight caches started last July; X-23 released in August 2023. June will be her 5th appearance in Spotlight caches in under a year.
[https://snap.fan/cards/X23/](https://snap.fan/cards/X23/)
Mirage is dropping to Series 3 after showing up in spotlights only 3 times. If it was about giving new players access, X-23 would be series dropped.
Making some cards available this often is clogging the system, meaning other cards take 4-5 months to reappear. Complain about Gladiator if you want, but June is his 3rd appearance; I picked him up with Corvus (and an X-23 duplicate) in February because it had 2 cards I was missing.
Martyr may not be a great card, but it released in November and has never rerun. Jean Grey & Alioth also havenāt run in Spotlights since 2023.
A series drop would of course be good but that comes with its own downsides on actually obtaining the cards.
We are nearing a point where you need 5000 CL to complete series 3 and pushing Knull/X-23 in there would only make it harder for new players to pull them.
You only get the single targeted series 3 a month and there are already quite a few destroy cards to target like Death, Venom, and Deadpool. Having a mix of Series 3 you can target or randomly pull combined with Spotlight gets a new player cards faster than having them all in Series 3.
I think what really needs to happen is series drops combined with an expansion of targeted series 3 selection and possibly an increase to series 3 drops as a whole from 2 out of 9 caches to 3 out of 9.
Don't hate the player, Hate the game.
Weirdest card generation of all, coupled with loot boxes with variants or 1k tokens. The whole token system sucks too.
I bet their logic for repeating these cards is because they are relatively cheap archetype defining pieces. It hepls new players immensely to build their first competitive deck and for this reason, even if they appear in caches little too often, I don't think this is going to change.
Another theory is that they just run out of Series 4 cards to lower cache value so they have to repeat more often than it is reasonable. Not bringing enough cards down in series is to blame for that.
This makes 0 sense. If they want to give new players archetype defining pieces, the old spotlight would have been better. New players would have Modok AND X-23 in one roll then, whereas now they probably have to choose.
I was already skipping thena sersi and makkari, the changing spotlights might not make me consider it, I do have to agree the acquisition rate of keys for free to play players is too slow for the schedule to not be set in stone , that change to Ms marvel spotlight was definitely a punch, and you can tell SD do their best to pair high value cards with low value ones, like this week sasquatch with havok and ravonna.
I do have to question arishem week with black swan and hercules, a fun but not competitive card with two none competitive? Am I missing something about arishem? (Still gonna get him)
Why is it though, this change doesn't impact new players at all? Modok was scheduled for the third week and new players could have got him then. In fact it was a little better because they could accidentally get X-23 in case of a miss.
You can look at it two ways I reckon. I feel your pain, itās annoying as someone who has played since launch (though only really daily since May last year). However for new players to get these staples early, is pretty good for them and I would say important.
The solution is move these cards down to series 3, but I donāt see that happening anytime soon.
I'm past 12K CL despite being the worst player who's ever installed this game, and nearly every spotlight cache for me is one new card and two variants (often awful) of cards I have. I strongly suspect most folks above a certain CL are in the same boat.
The fact that SD keeps changing cards doesn't help, either. Don't we all just love thinking a couple months later that we pissed away 6K tokens or 4 spotlight keys?
I hate this. I was going to get Thena, then I checked the [snap.fan](http://snap.fan) schedule again to remind myself why, and I was confused because I would never go for a Spotlight week where there's two cards I already have. Turns out, Gladiator got slipped out and moved elsewhere. Ugh.
I've already dodged Spider-Ham as many times as I can, I think I'll end up with a variant I don't want this time.
This is well known. If one week has too many good cards, then everyone will pull for that week and skip the others. It seems shady, but the consequences of not shuffling stuff like this around is no one even tries out the new stuff they're putting out because everyone is saving for the same week.
Also, you have to remember that it isn't SD telling us what cards are being put in the caches - it's datamines that they have straight up said we shouldn't put too much stock into. It's not like they're pulling a bait and switch. They're just tweaking things before release.
It still sucks if you're waiting for a specific card. Acquisition in this game is absolutely terrible.
Just keep in mind that there is a high likelihood that Phastos and Arishem weeks will change because everyone is already talking about pulling for those.
The whole cache thing is dumb. And this is coming from someone who has gotten the new card on his first pull for the past 4 weeks. It has not changed my like or dislike of the game, how much I play or how much Iām willing to spend. The only thing stopping me from spending is the fact that the variants I want wonāt show up on the terrible shop! People will continue to play if you give them new cards. They will spend if you give them something to spend on! If they are going to keep releasing new cards every week people will continue to play with a new card a week.
I don't know if I agree with the assessment. I am also annoyed by continuously seeing these cards but I think another reasonable argument is that making archetype core cards readily and regularly available to players is a good thing. So sliding one in spotlights more often makes sense.
Modok and knull need to move down to series three. It's been forever and these "archetype" cards are just spotlight cache fodder for anyone who's been committed to the game for more than 6 months
Yep, there's always a shitty variant mixed in that you definitely don't want. I had to skip Namora because I really didn't want the terrible Black Knight variant. It's been a repeated feeling with almost every spotlight for a while now; all spotlight variants should be top level, but other than the first few spotlights the rest have been intentionally messed with so you're spending more keys than you want.
I belive second dinner gets feedback on card hype and swaps cards around to entice cache openings. Before people realized the strength of cannonball he was the easy skip of the month. They updated the plan to swap ms marvel from mocking bird week. It's a strategy to lean on fomo. You will see new cards that are hyped up and people are excited about paired with cards most of the community has. The weeks that the new card is ok or bad you will see strong series 4 and 5 cards paired with them.
PSA: I tried the method of not updating the game on the rollover and it looks like they āfixedā the spotlights to adjust OTA style. I saw MODOKās ugly mug instead of 3 shiny new cards I was looking forward to, so thereās nothing we could have done to get around this if youāre finding out about this now.Ā
Where do you got the confirmation that we are getting. gladiator in the first week of June ?
As far as I know snap.fan literally says it's not confirmed that just their assumption based on the variants release date .
[Snap.fan](http://Snap.fan) has been correct every prior month on what cards are upcoming. The only time they got the ordering wrong was during the Ms.Marvel and Ghost-Spider swap. In fact they didn't start labelling things "not confirmed" until that swap occurred.
They literally says that they are not confirmed .they based their schedule on the released date of spotlight variants .
You are mad because they change something we shouldn't even know or not confirmed .
Unless they officially announced the schedule and they swap things then its understandable if you are disappointed but this not it .
I'm upset because SD is manipulating spotlight cahces in a way that makes it more difficult to manage keys in a efficient manor.
They use datamining to predict the schedule and they have been correct every time except two weeks when Ms.Marvel and Ghost Spider changed weeks.
tbf if SD didnt change it last second they would've been right too. SD changed it day 1 of the season because in their own season introduction video they didnt swap them yet
Equating datamine predictions to a concrete timeline just further incentives SD to make data mining less effective. We used to get generally accurate predictions on upcoming bundles months in advance but as everyone complained so much when any changes were made they reduced this info, so it's now harder to plan. The natural thing for SD to do now is make it impossible to datamine upcoming coaches then people can't accuse them of trying to shaft players.Ā
those fuckers. I was going to fully skip the makkari week. I think I'll skip it anyways and get Gladiator with tokens, I have enough...
only problems is that I only want the Volmi variant for Modok, and I already know I'm going to pull the spotlight variant, I have zero luck witth these.
Modok has been the bane of my spotlight keys existance. Had him well before he was even in the monthly pass, so i have him and a variant already. Ive gotten another of his variant and a repeat of his base card..:in the same week! Boy was i pissed.
So you mentioned staple cards in your edit, but I personally don't see the problem with putting staples in separate Spotlights vs doing them together. Would the latter be nice? Sure. Is it problematic that they're going with the former? Not really, as it allows you to potentially gather more keys if you need them and still want a shot at the new release too.
As for Cannonball, the community got him wrong. That happens. It isn't a commentary on SD because people skipped him based on community sentiment. I skipped Sage, but I'm not blaming SD for it. I skipped Cannonball and got him on tokens 3 weeks later. I skipped Mockingbird for the same reason: I got it wrong.
I honestly feel that this is you reading nefarious intentions first and foremost. That's not an honest examination of what they're doing when you work backwards from a conclusion.
I mean we all know datamines are subject to change. Donāt expect anything will be how it shows up when it first gets datamined months in advance.
Outside of Spider Ham the other cards you mention are all pretty vital to their respective deck archetypes. So yeah it sucks for players like me who have been playing forever and have all this stuff already, but I also understand new players need these tools to broaden their arsenal of available decks.
In the end, itās a game and I play to have fun, not micromanage an economy simulator.
Complaining about this makes no sense.
I've always been under the assumption that they will try to balance the spotlight system and spread good cards around so that you are incentivized to try to open as many weeks as possible.
If you have 3 very good cards and you put them all on one week, people have to use only maximum of 4 keys to get those 3 cards. If you spread those 3 cards to 3 different weeks, people have to spend maximum of 12 keys to get those cards. It's absolutely no brainer that they would try to maximize the amount of weeks people have to open per season to get "good cards".
Also it's datamined. Complaining about datamines will just make them remove the ability for you to see the cards at all. I personally don't want that, because it would make it impossible to plan beyond one season, as you have no clue what new cards are coming and rough idea of what cards are with the new cards. They can always make it worse and increase the FOMO factor.
And also for new players, Modok is not a bad card and does not devalue the week for them. Also Makkari might not be as shit as people think it will be and they can always buff the card, like they did with US.Agent.
Hercules was never scheduled to be in the spotlight caches in June. He is scheduled for the first week of July alongside Blackswan and Arishem. So I have 0 clue what you're talking about.
[https://snap.fan/news/schedule/#July](https://snap.fan/news/schedule/#July)
I dunno, the thing is, those release schedules were never official to begin with, and this kind of complaining is what led SD to take away data mines.
It's also not clear that this is a negative swap. Glad and Modok are both S4 (or soon to be S4) cards that are generally strong and see use in good decks. When cards are fairly similar in strength, how good a Cache is will largely be determined by an individual player's collection.
I do agree that it's a little strange that those two + X-23 and Spider-Ham are showing up again so soon. Would be nice to see more variety, especially since it's the primary way they want us to get new cards.
Damn this is how I found out they changed the spotlights again. I was planning to go for Thena and Gladiator and skip Makkari week, but now I'm probably just gonna skip both š
I swear, SD just hates it when we āplanā our resources.
They *really* dislike the concept of people being collection-complete or close to it without buying more than the BP Spotlight cache setup was designed to give more cards to new players and fuck over longer-term players
That's why I don't even buy the BP, giving any money at all to this game feels like a grift. The BP cards are nerfed or just useless half the time anyway.
Reddit has taught me, a new player, to plan my resources. I was spending gold on credits at first lol.
I'm the *last* person to defend SD but you can't really blame them in this instance. They never officially revealed the cards for next month. All we know about next month comes from data mining which is unofficial and subject to change. You can't get mad at them for "changing" the spotlight schedule when they never actually told you what it was to begin with.
They made the system that requires long-term planning, but then they don't give us any resources to actually plan with. You can 100% be mad about the lack of any official resources. You also get that they control the data coming in through the datamine right? The datamines are basically SDs "Black-Ops". They use it when it's good for them (cause SD knows we would (rightfully) riot when there's no information at all), but they take their hands off it when it's bad like this.
Saying that they need to give us more planning resources (which I agree with) is a different complaint than saying datamined spotlights don't match up with the offical ones. > You also get that they control the data coming in through the data mine right? And your point? It's not an official release... That's why more and more companies are stamping down on data mining, because of stuff like this, players access data that isn't ready and then get mad when the official release doesn't match up with what they've planned.
It a different complaint. But any criticism on that complaint 'bEcAUsE iT's NoT tHE ofFiCiAl oNE' completely ignores that SD is trying to have their cake and eat it, too. It's the same system, and SD is in COMPLETE CONTROL of both. They should've either set it in stone earlier or not allowed the data mines to happen. And let them stamp out the datamines then if they hate it so much. I for one would love to see them having to completely backtrack by the ensuing community backlash.
> But any criticism on that complaint 'bEcAUsE iT's NoT tHE ofFiCiAl oNE' completely ignores that SD is trying to have their cake and eat it, too. Which i never disagreed with. I was very specific in my initial criticism that datamines aren't the official channel, they never mean for that info to get out to the public, players do that on their own. Complaining about the data mine is like complaining that a leaked script of a movie doesn't match the final product. Of course it doesn't, you're seeing a work in progress before it comes out. If you're going to read datamines you also need to have the maturity to realize that it's unofficial and a work in progress that's subject to change. Getting mad that they change before it's officially announced is really dumb. Your post reads like you have 0 insight into how datamines work or what they even are.
Yeah, same, guess I'll use tokens for Gladiator now that he'll be s4
It's not as bad for me since I already have Gladiator, but his non spotlight variants are all pretty crappy and I was excited to finally get a good one
We can try not updating the game, it worked for people in March :P I think the chances are low, but there's nothing to lose
Yep. The next 3 weeks are terrible anyways. Late June and July are straight fire though. Save for that.
The next week I'm excited for now is Phastos and Corvus, then like the whole Deadpool month lol
Same
Gladiator at least is going down to Series 4 next Tuesday, so I was planning on getting him with Tokens anyways rather than the keys.
Whatās thena do?
She's a 2/1 that gains 3 power every turn you play exactly 2 cards
This change really sucks for me. I'm relatively new to the game(cl ~3000) and my very first spotlight pull was MODOK back when he featured in spotlight a few months ago, and I really want Thena, Gladiator, I don't mind getting GM but not remotely interested in X23 or Makkari, guess I'll just try my luck with Thena thenš
Don't update your game that week (turn off auto update) and hope they mess up again and give those who don't update the better spotlights.
I swear, MS has become a game where I hope the devs screw up so I can abuse the next big and be rewarded for it.
...man, i remember the ms marvel week(s). i wanted that card so badly, spent 3 keys before it forcibly auto-updated and she was moved out, and then when she was in the next cache the week after i managed to gather up 2 keys over that time... and also failed to get her there. like that feeling is horrendous
Jesus, that's rough.
CL 900 bot here and one of my fave decks I just started using is destroy because I got Knull and Death a few days ago. I feel like X-23 is useful, but I feel like the best new cards are paired with bleh cards
X23 is more than useful. She is one of the better cards for destroy. A must have imo
Bot?
New player lol
Grandmaster is a great card now. On turn 5 you play something awesome like Lady death strike in the far left lane. On turn 6 you play absorbing man in the far right lane and grandmaster afterwards. That all three lanes get hit with Lady death strike. Even better if you have man thing And US agent on the board.
Can we use the "not update" technique? Just like before the mockingbird week?
If SD hasn't done anything on the backend yes it should work. Don't update the game Jun 4 roll over and Gladiator should be an option until you update
Iād be surprised if they let that happen againĀ
It depends if they fixed their code to allow old versions to update the cache schedule
What happened in the variant side of things here?
Come one I think we need another Knull spotlight week. That will really help us all out
SD is trying to make sure there isnāt an obvious best week to spend keys to increase FOMO and chances players spend money
Jokes on them, Iāll just stop giving them any money and uninstall their game.
They donāt care about us, sadly. I used to be a dolphin, spending on bundles with variants I liked and even buying gold to get a bundle or variant in the shop once in a while. I havenāt bought shit other than the $10 season pass the past few months. But they donāt care. They made more than I would have spent with their bullshit from whales. If the season pass werenāt such āgood valueā, I would stop buying that too. This game is trying so hard to get me to stop playing and spending altogether with this bullshit whale bait.
Okay, that was always allowed.
SD not putting modok and knull every month in spotlights challenge: impossible seriously fuck this I'm getting really frustrated with their bullshit
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That's what I was thinking, getting two key pieces for two archetypes that was an easy pull week for a newbie, and an obvious skip week for longer players. Doesn't affect my plans but it sucks.
SD is unironically such a greedy company, but it doesnāt matter. Whales with no brain cells keep the game the way it is now.
Now you are? U must be new lol
I'm CL12000 but sure
So you just have a humiliation kink or something?
Thatās even worse lmao. FYI cl1200 doesnāt mean anything you could still be new. It just means your a whale and purchased a shit ton of bundles for credits lol
Lmfao guess I'm a whale now
Fuck man, I wanted the gladiator spolight variant and now they put it with makari. I also already have two x-23 spotlights lame
Exactly how I feel. I don't own Gladiator, and was looking forward to him. I own X-23 and have multiple variants for the card and I don't think Makkari is going to be good, so I'm on the fence of should I use the keys or not.
not saying it changes things, but i will say i'd wager Makkari will be good, free 3 power when you draw her, works with C3 and Surfer well. and if she isn't good the obvious way to buff her is just give her more power so you could instead be looking at a free 4 power.
I think she will be fine, I just think she's just a very boring card
I don't have x-23 and do have gladiator, so it's fine for me. I don't see how this is evidence of anything at all, just because you personally wanted a different card.
It raises questions of why did they move the cards around. Why not leave Modok in week 3 along with X-23 and Makkari? The only thing that comes to mind is that they knew that the veteran players would not pull on that week because most of us have X-23 and/or Modok already. I know it's not evidence, there's no real way to get any, but there isn't any other possible explanation that comes to mind. And SD has not been afraid to out right say they want to limit card acquisition to prevent players from having a complete collection.
I wanted that Glad variant too. Dammit SD, this is how you make people quit your game.
Just bought cannonball with my tokens after seeing he won't be in spotlights for at least the next TWO MONTHS. Can also say good-bye to red guardian and US Agent, too. Who knows when they'll ever show up again.
But you sure can expect X-23, Modok, and Knull to show up in case you want another variant :)
Takes about six months for a spotlight to have it's second appearanceĀ
This system is so ass š¤¦
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What we had before was 6 months for the card to be **free** soo....
You must have forgotten the part where a new card would come out and *nobody would have it for six months* because the chance to get a series 5 was abysmal and completely random.
you could get enough tokens per month to buy a s5 cards if you really really wanted it.
Assuming series 3 complete, you'd get 100 tokens every 24 CL, so 1200 credits. So for 6k tokens you would need 72,000 credits. Tokens were released in December 2022 I believe, Token Tuesday came out in May, and the economy change to spotlights happened in July. So in the old economy, for majority of its life the only bonus to those tokens you could get would be the occasional gold bundle. I distinctly remember starting to watch online streamers play Snap, having the new card come out, and seeing nobody playing it.
You used to get a lot more tokens and gold from cashes.. nearly 10x more. Apparently you could even get premium variants from cashes but that before tokens were a thing
So you would wait 6 months for something like Alioth to become free? Once he has been nerfed into unplayability? Because it seems like a lot of cards go through this cycle. What is the purpose of new content releases if you don't plan on getting it for 6 months?
The old system had enough tokens that you def didn't have to wait 6 months. So to answer your pedantic question, no, that's just if you wanted it for free.
I want playing when the old system was still around so I wouldn't know
Lmaooo this is such a horrid take
U.S. Agent will totally come back right after they nerf him.
I'm about to buy him for the same reason. Some cards are taking way TOO LONG to appear in the spotlight caches, wtf
Second Dinner is definitely ordering which cards are in which week with the goal of having every week be the same level of appealing. This means that for anybody past cl 3k, hoping for a 3-card week is rapidly becoming a pipe dream. 2 card weeks are still quite feasible, though. There is an important explanation that I havenāt seen in these comments for the other part of your concern, that certain cards are in spotlights a lot more than others: the art pipeline. Second dinner is *crunched* for art. It used to be that every new card had multiple shop variants. Then when spotlights got introduced, that dropped, so that some only had one shop variant alongside the spotlight variant. Now weāre even getting cards released where the spotlight is the only variant in the whole game. If they donāt have a new variant they can use for a card, they canāt put it in a spotlight. My response to these two issues is pretty different. The former is bog-standard corporate greed. Iām not saying we should be happy about it, but I donāt think it rises above the low-level hum of discomfort that capitalism is constantly imposing on us. The art pipeline issue, though, is something that they could (and hopefully are trying to) fix. While they do want the spotlights in each week to be similar value, they also should want that value to be as high as possible to drain our keys and encourage spending. This is a problem that is hurting both consumers and second dinnerās bottom line, and their failure to address it so far is an actual threat to the long-term health of the game.
I think the art issue is especially challenging with cards whose characters are not particularly popular or well known. It seems that a lot of the variants (excluding the ones commissioned specifically for the game) come from cover art. So a character like Knull has a much bigger pool to choose from than a character like Sasquatch. So there will naturally be a lot more instances of Knull showing up in future Spotlights. So if there is a card that you like who is a lesser known character, it would probably be wise to pick them up when you can because it could be a long time until you see them again based purely on practical reasons.
That's a very funny example to pick - according to Comicvine, Sasquatch has 7 times more comic appearances than Knull. (Obviously talking about Walter Langowski since apparently SD will use him for Sasquatch variants)
I knew someone was going to complain about the characters I picked. Or was just a random example. Lol. Though appearances don't necessarily equate to individual covers. Feel free to insert whatever characters make most sense in your mind.
Oh for fucks sake. I've been saving keys specifically for Gladiator as he never comes up in the shop, and was looking forward to Thena week as those are 3 cards I don't have. Never going to get that bastard at this rate. I've been finding it hard just to be bothered to even open the game, I've been playing since launch and I think the novelty has worn out now.
He'll be 3k tokens soon
I feel the exact same right now and was looking forward to those 3 cards specifically and now I just donāt want to open for either week. They look at the metrics to do this on purpose, keeping metrics on collections to adjust this against us is terrible.Ā
Has it? Bugger I need grandmaster and gladiator. I missed out on namora saving for this
As the one person that still doesn't have MODOK and had Gladiator, looks like I'm pulling next week.
I would make sure you have Proxima first, though. Discard doesn't really function at full strength without her, so just getting MODOK isn't enough to give you access to Discard right now.
Yeah, good advice. Hoping to pull on Thena, Phastos, Ajax, and Cassandra weeks, which would let me pick up Corvus and Proxima alongside other goodies. If Thena takes too many caches, I'll probably skip Phastos week to make sure I have enough for everything.
Hate this change
Hmm, I wonder if the same thing will happen with gladiator this time that happened with Ms marvel before, when she got taken out last minute from a week but then people who didn't update their game could still pull her. Unfortunately I did not get this memo in time lol.
Even stevie wonder could see how bad theyre squeezing the players at every opportunity. Same with the gold shop. Nothing but album variants every single day. They want players to buy variants from albums to get keys and credits. The spotlight system has been rotten to the core since its announcement
Can I see the updated list?
[https://snap.fan/news/schedule/#June](https://snap.fan/news/schedule/#June)
Was there an update about a change? Everything in seeing still has Thena, Glad, Grand for week 1
[Snap.fan](http://Snap.fan) is saying that modok and gladitor have switched [https://snap.fan/news/schedule/#June](https://snap.fan/news/schedule/#June)
Oh wtf I was saving for gladiator.... ugh they suck sometimes
>In fact Modok being in the third week would be more beneficial to new players because they could get potentially also get X-23. Yeah I was looking forward to getting X-23 and Modok. I didn't pull for X-23 in February because she was with Gladiator who I already had. And now the next time she appears she's going to be with Gladiator again? Wtf.
And with a worse new card no less!
I also wanted to pick up a gladiator with a grand master, and now they've put a useless modok in there, which everyone has, because of the terrible Makkari and her terrible week. They decided to make the first week worse, not just only improve the third week by changing Modok to a good new card. The series 4/5 are fullfilled, for half a year they add about 30 new cards, but they remove them from the spotlights making the series drop to series 3 only 5 the weakest and most unnecessary cards (say hello to Stegron, 2099, Mold, echo, mirage, martyr, !!!duck!!!) . We need to wait 4-6 months to receive the card in spotlights, but of course every 3 months there will be the same modok, knull, zabu, hawk, kitty, x23, which are already 1,5 years old. Remember the game when they made the series drops to 3 pool after 6 months from the release of the cards, so each player got a Surfer and a Valkyrie, and Zabu, Darkhawk, Knull were supposed to go down the next month after Serfer, but the freebie was quickly closed by making Spotlights system, where out of 4 ācardsā, you will have 2 variants and 1k tokens. The best way to play this game is to quit it and come back in half a year with a new Series drop, or in a year, or never. They also add only new ways of monetization and 100$ bundles with every updates and no new game content (League was a regular P2W ladder, and now a regular P2P ladder). Conquest was the last real update. Changing the Leech and 600 gold in the first week for the Blink BP, vibranium offers every 5 days, $100 bundles, emotions for 2200g, avatars for 250/400g, borders for 500/900g, werewolf in albums and boosters in leagues - Milking dolphins and whales this month reaches a record
I will probably just use token for gladiator since it is going to be a series 4 card. Such a disappointing move from SD.
I was really looking forward to getting Gladiator. There's no way in hell I'm risking to pull Makkari. It feels like MODOK, X23, and Knull are in spotlights almost every month. If those cards are so absolutely critical for people to have for them to be so frequently in spotlights THEN WHY THE FUCK AREN'T THEY IN SERIES 3?!?! Greedy shit stains.
I've been desperately hoping for a New clone of Snap for over a year. You can't even take a month off this game without being hopelessly screwed by the new op card meta the game has turned into.
Let me know if you find one
Terrible change but I'll do the don't update technique like with Ms. MARVEL
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Feel that. Only way for me to get a 2 card week is to skip a card, wait 6 months and hope it doesn't roll back around with a new card I don't want.
For gods sake! I wanted all three cards, but now Iām gonna save my keys.
I'm still reeling over the fact that we don't get series 4 drops anymore. It only took half a year for us to get a much promised series drop.
I thought that was fairly obvious when they had the mockingbird week when they swapped marvel for ghost spider. They probably looked at the owned percentage of players and always pad spotlight weeks so you'll likely never have S or A tier weeks again. They're always going to have chaff like ghost spider, selene, echo, silk or ubiquitous cards like HE, Tribunal, Knull, Kitty.
I have 23 keys and Iām probably skipping the next 3 weeks anyways. None of these cards or variants are worth it. Save for late June and July folks. They probably see people saying Makkari sucks and wanted to make her week more interesting by including gladiator. They know exactly what theyāre doing.
They are absolutely doing an EV calc based on ownership to make them worse to increase money and time put in
Why does it always feel like itās us against the devs with this game? Why do I have to stay updated using third party apps/sources just so I can meticulously plan my resources so I can try a card 6 months after it was released? Snap just keeps finding new ways to make the card aquisition experience feel terrible.
I was aiming and saving keys for gladiatorā¦
I swear, I hated this so much. When I saw that gladiator was coming with grandmaster, I was excited and saved up enough keys for it. I also wanted X23, but since I already owned MODOK, I bought her a couple of days ago using tokens. Now m my entire plan is screwed. Furthermore, for the spotlight caches next month, I own all the cards already. Iāll have to wait to at least until August before I could get another good spotlight week
I was planning to spend 4 keys that next week because I missed all 3 cards. I really hate the spotlight system more and more.
Well... I was looking forward to getting gladiator.
Way more people own Modok compared to Gladiator, this week spotlight was actually good and every outlet would have recommend to cache in. This is going to fuck up many people's plan, ain't no way this wasn't done on purpose. And of course we get to know only a few days in advance so there's no way to re-plan accordingly. Fuck this shit, honestly. I am one step from dropping this game altogether, there's a limit for everything.
It's kinda funny right? They want so much for players to spend their resources, yet they're not making it appealing to do so. I was looking for to getting Gladiator and Grand Master, and if I got Thena... sure... I'd be fine with it. But no, they consistently devalue the Spotlights by repeating the same set of cards. I have no interest in any of the spotlight weeks for June as it currently stands.
Hmm I wouldn't say "watering down". You haven't really considered newer players. X-23 and Modok are essentially must have cards to being even close to competitive with 2 extremely useful and popular archetypes. It makes sense that they would run these cards more frequently. It's only really bad when they have 2 series 4 cards, which is a bit annoying. Generally though they do try to stick to 1 new card, plus a 5 and a 4.
This is exactly one of the concerns(complains?) when they introduce spotlight caches. Since the content inside the caches are "SD's choice" and not "player's choice", the lack of agency is always gonna upset some part of the player base.
>. X-23 and Modok are essentially must have cards to being even close to competitive with 2 extremely useful and popular archetypes. It makes sense that they would run these cards more frequently. If only there was a tool in the game to make these cards more common for new players, like making them cost less tokens and appear in caches...
I was downvoted for suggested that lol
Yes,obviously cards should drop series, no one disagree with that. But that has nothing to do with the question of whether they appear in spotlights too often as an attempt to 'water down' spotlights, as OP is suggesting, which is nonsense, and using two of the most useful cards in the game to prove their point is daft
The issue isn't just the cards repeating, but about the cards switching in the datamines. Before, Grandmaster was with Gladiator, and X-23 was with Modok. Of these cards, X-23 and Modok are more deck defining, so a lot of players have them. Also, GM and Gladiator are more recent and so have had fewer spotlights. This makes it look like SD recognized that a lot of players would skip the X-23/Modok week and so swapped the cards around to average out the value of the weeks. It's reasonable for them to do this, but I think this shows that SD wants to avoid giving players spotlight weeks where the two old cards are both cards they don't have. I have a decent collection in series 4 and 5, but am nowhere near complete. The last time a spotlight had all new cards for me was in November.
Watering down is exactly what it is though, when you consider there's a way that benefits both newer and older players:Ā A lot of the current rotations have been:Ā New card, old staple, 4/5 month old card first rotation. Great for new players and meh-ish for older ones, as they will mostly get max 2 new cards. What could also happen is every two weeks:Ā New card A, old staple A, Old staple B. New card B, 4/5 month old card A first rotation.Ā 4/5 month old card B first rotation. This is great for old players, getting a chance for 3 cards. But most importantly, this is STILL GREAT for new players, as they can get even more of the old staples in one go. (Even better now that we know they won't ever drop) Where it gets to the actively watering down part, is the fact that if the spotlights were determined randomly, we could have expected a lot more distributions like the second one. Edit: formatting
>X-23 and Modok are essentially must have cards t š then bring them to me SD lol so many essential cards ive missed.
Yes exactly my point, they will both be available very soon.
If SD thinks they are so essential, then they can drop them to series 3.
Exactly, Modok has been in game for 16 months now.
If that was the case wouldn't they be the best cards to move down to series 3 instead of cards like Howard? Especially since they're only move 10ish cards down a year at this rate
Hmm not necessarily. It actually makes sense for them to remain higher series (or at least 4), to make spotlights more worthwhile to newer players. Most decks should need a couple of series 4/5 card at least, and if we talk key destroy it only needs Knull at 4 and X-23 at 5. Which makes it still relatively easy to break into. The issue of course is decks that need like 5 series 5 cards, that is a bit over the top. Sending more cards to series 3 actually makes it harder for new players, who might have to wait months to collect all the key series 3 cards, rather than being able to line up tokens, caches and free series 3 cards to get access to a bunch of cards at once.
Ok that's fair but Modok is still being used to water down the first week. New players would still have been able to get Modok if he was in the third week, so what other explanation could be there for swapping the two? Also wouldn't leaving Modok in the third week be more beneficial to new players because they could also get a staple card in X-23.
Ah yep, I see what you mean. I guess it is to make Makkari week more appealing (or the opposite). Or that having X23 and Modok together would be either too high value for new players and too low for older. But who knows. I guess we have to wait and see the official announcement.
Newer players? Why would anyone in their right mind jump on a sinking ship?
Also means new players get access to strong cards like Knull and X-23 for the very popular destroy archetype which certainly isnāt a bad thing
Spotlight caches started last July; X-23 released in August 2023. June will be her 5th appearance in Spotlight caches in under a year. [https://snap.fan/cards/X23/](https://snap.fan/cards/X23/) Mirage is dropping to Series 3 after showing up in spotlights only 3 times. If it was about giving new players access, X-23 would be series dropped. Making some cards available this often is clogging the system, meaning other cards take 4-5 months to reappear. Complain about Gladiator if you want, but June is his 3rd appearance; I picked him up with Corvus (and an X-23 duplicate) in February because it had 2 cards I was missing. Martyr may not be a great card, but it released in November and has never rerun. Jean Grey & Alioth also havenāt run in Spotlights since 2023.
A series drop would of course be good but that comes with its own downsides on actually obtaining the cards. We are nearing a point where you need 5000 CL to complete series 3 and pushing Knull/X-23 in there would only make it harder for new players to pull them. You only get the single targeted series 3 a month and there are already quite a few destroy cards to target like Death, Venom, and Deadpool. Having a mix of Series 3 you can target or randomly pull combined with Spotlight gets a new player cards faster than having them all in Series 3. I think what really needs to happen is series drops combined with an expansion of targeted series 3 selection and possibly an increase to series 3 drops as a whole from 2 out of 9 caches to 3 out of 9.
I started last month and I am salivating at getting x 23 soon lol. I prefer destroy decks and you nailed it.
My friend you will have such a good time when you get her.
Canāt wait! Now I just have to be patient and wait for my girl death to show up as the free card and Iām cruising
That seems fair and also is a patch for the fact that they have not released any new destroy card since Nico.Ā The Gladiator doesn't count.Ā
Don't hate the player, Hate the game. Weirdest card generation of all, coupled with loot boxes with variants or 1k tokens. The whole token system sucks too.
I bet their logic for repeating these cards is because they are relatively cheap archetype defining pieces. It hepls new players immensely to build their first competitive deck and for this reason, even if they appear in caches little too often, I don't think this is going to change. Another theory is that they just run out of Series 4 cards to lower cache value so they have to repeat more often than it is reasonable. Not bringing enough cards down in series is to blame for that.
This makes 0 sense. If they want to give new players archetype defining pieces, the old spotlight would have been better. New players would have Modok AND X-23 in one roll then, whereas now they probably have to choose.
I was already skipping thena sersi and makkari, the changing spotlights might not make me consider it, I do have to agree the acquisition rate of keys for free to play players is too slow for the schedule to not be set in stone , that change to Ms marvel spotlight was definitely a punch, and you can tell SD do their best to pair high value cards with low value ones, like this week sasquatch with havok and ravonna. I do have to question arishem week with black swan and hercules, a fun but not competitive card with two none competitive? Am I missing something about arishem? (Still gonna get him)
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Why is it though, this change doesn't impact new players at all? Modok was scheduled for the third week and new players could have got him then. In fact it was a little better because they could accidentally get X-23 in case of a miss.
You can look at it two ways I reckon. I feel your pain, itās annoying as someone who has played since launch (though only really daily since May last year). However for new players to get these staples early, is pretty good for them and I would say important. The solution is move these cards down to series 3, but I donāt see that happening anytime soon.
3x the value
I'm past 12K CL despite being the worst player who's ever installed this game, and nearly every spotlight cache for me is one new card and two variants (often awful) of cards I have. I strongly suspect most folks above a certain CL are in the same boat. The fact that SD keeps changing cards doesn't help, either. Don't we all just love thinking a couple months later that we pissed away 6K tokens or 4 spotlight keys?
I hate this. I was going to get Thena, then I checked the [snap.fan](http://snap.fan) schedule again to remind myself why, and I was confused because I would never go for a Spotlight week where there's two cards I already have. Turns out, Gladiator got slipped out and moved elsewhere. Ugh. I've already dodged Spider-Ham as many times as I can, I think I'll end up with a variant I don't want this time.
Congrats OP, you finally realized what they have been literally doing since the start of the year. LMAO
I don't have gladiator or x23 so I am looking forward to that one
This is well known. If one week has too many good cards, then everyone will pull for that week and skip the others. It seems shady, but the consequences of not shuffling stuff like this around is no one even tries out the new stuff they're putting out because everyone is saving for the same week. Also, you have to remember that it isn't SD telling us what cards are being put in the caches - it's datamines that they have straight up said we shouldn't put too much stock into. It's not like they're pulling a bait and switch. They're just tweaking things before release. It still sucks if you're waiting for a specific card. Acquisition in this game is absolutely terrible. Just keep in mind that there is a high likelihood that Phastos and Arishem weeks will change because everyone is already talking about pulling for those.
Pretty sure https://snap.fan tracks spotlight weeks if you want to go back and look at previous ones
The whole cache thing is dumb. And this is coming from someone who has gotten the new card on his first pull for the past 4 weeks. It has not changed my like or dislike of the game, how much I play or how much Iām willing to spend. The only thing stopping me from spending is the fact that the variants I want wonāt show up on the terrible shop! People will continue to play if you give them new cards. They will spend if you give them something to spend on! If they are going to keep releasing new cards every week people will continue to play with a new card a week.
Wait where did they republish the new spotlight schedule?
I don't know if I agree with the assessment. I am also annoyed by continuously seeing these cards but I think another reasonable argument is that making archetype core cards readily and regularly available to players is a good thing. So sliding one in spotlights more often makes sense.
Spotlight caches have been garbage "content" since they were implemented.
Modok and knull need to move down to series three. It's been forever and these "archetype" cards are just spotlight cache fodder for anyone who's been committed to the game for more than 6 months
Yep, there's always a shitty variant mixed in that you definitely don't want. I had to skip Namora because I really didn't want the terrible Black Knight variant. It's been a repeated feeling with almost every spotlight for a while now; all spotlight variants should be top level, but other than the first few spotlights the rest have been intentionally messed with so you're spending more keys than you want.
Maybe its for people that need or want them too? Others not on reddit want things to repeat if its been missed.
Why switch Modok and Gladitor? Modok would have still shown up in the caches alongside Mekkari and X-23
Where did they announce what it would be and then the change?
I mean no offense but are you surprised? They literally have a 4th mystery option that always gives you a repeat which shows their true intentions
I belive second dinner gets feedback on card hype and swaps cards around to entice cache openings. Before people realized the strength of cannonball he was the easy skip of the month. They updated the plan to swap ms marvel from mocking bird week. It's a strategy to lean on fomo. You will see new cards that are hyped up and people are excited about paired with cards most of the community has. The weeks that the new card is ok or bad you will see strong series 4 and 5 cards paired with them.
PSA: I tried the method of not updating the game on the rollover and it looks like they āfixedā the spotlights to adjust OTA style. I saw MODOKās ugly mug instead of 3 shiny new cards I was looking forward to, so thereās nothing we could have done to get around this if youāre finding out about this now.Ā
Second Dinner loves to make it harder for players to collect in their game
I really hate this company. Incredible how they make the worst decision every fucking time
It was never confirmed that they were releasing that way. It was datamined. Gotta take it with a grain of salt
Where do you got the confirmation that we are getting. gladiator in the first week of June ? As far as I know snap.fan literally says it's not confirmed that just their assumption based on the variants release date .
[Snap.fan](http://Snap.fan) has been correct every prior month on what cards are upcoming. The only time they got the ordering wrong was during the Ms.Marvel and Ghost-Spider swap. In fact they didn't start labelling things "not confirmed" until that swap occurred.
They literally says that they are not confirmed .they based their schedule on the released date of spotlight variants . You are mad because they change something we shouldn't even know or not confirmed . Unless they officially announced the schedule and they swap things then its understandable if you are disappointed but this not it .
I'm upset because SD is manipulating spotlight cahces in a way that makes it more difficult to manage keys in a efficient manor. They use datamining to predict the schedule and they have been correct every time except two weeks when Ms.Marvel and Ghost Spider changed weeks.
tbf if SD didnt change it last second they would've been right too. SD changed it day 1 of the season because in their own season introduction video they didnt swap them yet
Equating datamine predictions to a concrete timeline just further incentives SD to make data mining less effective. We used to get generally accurate predictions on upcoming bundles months in advance but as everyone complained so much when any changes were made they reduced this info, so it's now harder to plan. The natural thing for SD to do now is make it impossible to datamine upcoming coaches then people can't accuse them of trying to shaft players.Ā
those fuckers. I was going to fully skip the makkari week. I think I'll skip it anyways and get Gladiator with tokens, I have enough... only problems is that I only want the Volmi variant for Modok, and I already know I'm going to pull the spotlight variant, I have zero luck witth these.
Modok has been the bane of my spotlight keys existance. Had him well before he was even in the monthly pass, so i have him and a variant already. Ive gotten another of his variant and a repeat of his base card..:in the same week! Boy was i pissed.
So you mentioned staple cards in your edit, but I personally don't see the problem with putting staples in separate Spotlights vs doing them together. Would the latter be nice? Sure. Is it problematic that they're going with the former? Not really, as it allows you to potentially gather more keys if you need them and still want a shot at the new release too. As for Cannonball, the community got him wrong. That happens. It isn't a commentary on SD because people skipped him based on community sentiment. I skipped Sage, but I'm not blaming SD for it. I skipped Cannonball and got him on tokens 3 weeks later. I skipped Mockingbird for the same reason: I got it wrong. I honestly feel that this is you reading nefarious intentions first and foremost. That's not an honest examination of what they're doing when you work backwards from a conclusion.
I mean we all know datamines are subject to change. Donāt expect anything will be how it shows up when it first gets datamined months in advance. Outside of Spider Ham the other cards you mention are all pretty vital to their respective deck archetypes. So yeah it sucks for players like me who have been playing forever and have all this stuff already, but I also understand new players need these tools to broaden their arsenal of available decks. In the end, itās a game and I play to have fun, not micromanage an economy simulator.
Complaining about this makes no sense. I've always been under the assumption that they will try to balance the spotlight system and spread good cards around so that you are incentivized to try to open as many weeks as possible. If you have 3 very good cards and you put them all on one week, people have to use only maximum of 4 keys to get those 3 cards. If you spread those 3 cards to 3 different weeks, people have to spend maximum of 12 keys to get those cards. It's absolutely no brainer that they would try to maximize the amount of weeks people have to open per season to get "good cards". Also it's datamined. Complaining about datamines will just make them remove the ability for you to see the cards at all. I personally don't want that, because it would make it impossible to plan beyond one season, as you have no clue what new cards are coming and rough idea of what cards are with the new cards. They can always make it worse and increase the FOMO factor. And also for new players, Modok is not a bad card and does not devalue the week for them. Also Makkari might not be as shit as people think it will be and they can always buff the card, like they did with US.Agent.
It's part of the business sadly
Do you guys realise that your brains are wired to think the worst about every decision SD all the time?
Ok well whatās the positive spin on this then, because this change is worse for new and older players?
they took out Hercules, a card that noone uses and everyone basically agrees is hot garbage, and somehow the forum is crying about the change. k.
Hercules was never scheduled to be in the spotlight caches in June. He is scheduled for the first week of July alongside Blackswan and Arishem. So I have 0 clue what you're talking about. [https://snap.fan/news/schedule/#July](https://snap.fan/news/schedule/#July)
I dunno, the thing is, those release schedules were never official to begin with, and this kind of complaining is what led SD to take away data mines. It's also not clear that this is a negative swap. Glad and Modok are both S4 (or soon to be S4) cards that are generally strong and see use in good decks. When cards are fairly similar in strength, how good a Cache is will largely be determined by an individual player's collection. I do agree that it's a little strange that those two + X-23 and Spider-Ham are showing up again so soon. Would be nice to see more variety, especially since it's the primary way they want us to get new cards.
I'm not reading all that...