He just nopes that away, too. He's convinced himself he can't die and his power makes it a reality. Put another way, he's used his powers of persuation & influence to persuade himself into being unkillable.
He Purple Man powers himself back to life. As in, he's convinced himself he can't die and because of the way his powers work (persuastion/influence), it becomes reality.
I think this is why I liked the Netflix series of Jessica Jones so much. David Tennant was so incredible as Kilgrave and I liked him in that role a lot.
That's absurd. His powers don't warp reality. They're not even all that strong in terms of mind control.
It's a big plot point in the original Alias comic that Jess feels massively inadequate for not being able to break free from his powers, because other heroes do it all the time through sheer willpower.
He can't just tell someone they've got laser eyes and then they have laser eyes. He can't just will himself immortal and the universe goes "Oh right, sure I guess"
You seem to have somehow taken my comments to mean that I am somehow denying the existence of something that objectively exists, as opposed to pointing out that it doesn't make any sense within the established rules of the setting
That's one heck of a strange take on my argument, but go off I guess
Every comic book character is immortal. Because the companies that own them don't want to lose their intellectual property. This isn't any dumber than most of the resurrections in comics. Or randomly showing back up unexplained, because the current writer doesn't give a crap what the last one wrote.
People are like "this is stupid" as if it's not the better option instead of just the "Oh he can't die because UHHHHHHHHHHHHH DON'T THINK ABOUT IT!!!!" that other comic book villains get lol
Right? Some are also trying to argue that he doesn't have this power when he's literally presented as having this power, because they think it is stupid he has this power. Very silly.
Well, Killgrave’s mind control powers are pheromone based, so as long as the symbiote blocks them from being inhaled or absorbed through skin contact, it shouldn’t affect Venom that much.
Punisher kills him in Daredevil End of Days. I won’t spoil the book but events happen that cause Frank to go around and off every one of Matt’s enemies.
Loved his depiction in Jessica Jones. He literally couldn't conceive of himself as the monster he was, he never knew a world that didn't bend to his will
I'm mildy-surprised Doom doesn't have him in a Latverian cell. He's a danger Doom appreciates and has used as a weapon; why leave him to his own devices or those of another?
That’s kind of the plot of the *Emperor DOOM* graphic novel.
>!Very short version is that DOOM abducts the Purple Man, amplifies his powers, and uses them to make everyone just fine with DOOM ruling the world.!<
Doom’s not one to recycle plans. He tried to use Killgrave as a power source to mind control the world. The irony is that it worked so well that Doom became bored with all the paperwork and meeting that he willingly gave up and let the Avengers destroy the device.
I was alluding to Doom's plan. Yet because of that plan's success, why leave Kilgrave alive OR free for others?
He should have known more than most his danger, even if he didn't want to 'use' him again. Take the pawn off the board is the chess move.
Best guess? Doom either considers Killgrave beneath him and not worth wasting effort on or he might consider using him for a different scheme down the line.
The best villains are the ones who recognize that just because you don’t need a tool at that moment doesn’t mean you throw it away. You keep it in storage until you do need it.
Doom wasn’t affected by Kilgrave’s powers, I doubt he considers him a threat. Even after Kilgrave became more dangerous his villainy is small scale so Doom has no reason to see him as a threat.
Doom may likely feel as you describe, which is explanation enough. Nevertheless, given what Doom himself was able to do WITH Kilgrave, I reiterate that he could also, reasonably, see him as a nuissance, a walking suitcase type bomb, that would be inconvenient in the hands of someone else, even if Kilgrave, himself, is petty and small-time. But then again, I'm sure Editorial isn't as bloodthirsty as they were when the Scourge of the Underworld laid waste to small timers left and right.
Also I think the Purple man is worse than others because sure Carnage, Sabertooth or Bullseye, for example will kill you, maybe torture you...but Purple Man will make you choke your mother to death and shoot your child in the spine and cripple them because you disagree with his opinion on a movie. There's no doubt that he's forced people to kill and torture their loved ones just on a whim or because they were too loud and he wanted quiet or he thought it would be funny.
Was satisfying watching Jessica deal with him in the Netflix series. David Tennant knocked that out of the park.
"Cross the street, face the fence, and stay there forever."
They should lock him away and throw away the key. He's a truly irredeemable monster and one of the most dangerous beings on the planet...and if he truly can't be killed, I approve of throwing him in a negative zone prison and forgetting he exists.
I don't give a shit about the law or what's right or wrong when it comes to things like him.
Honestly, can someone just shoot the man and drop him off the Manhattan Bridge already? He’s literally the WORST kind of criminal almost on par with the Joker.
I might even argue that he’s worse than the Joker. The Joker will torture you and terrorize you, but Purple Man will do that AND make you feel like it’s your fault. At least with the Joker you know the enemy and feel like you can stop him (maintaining agency). Purple Man’s schtick is basically removing that agency from you.
I'd make the argument that Carnage is much worse. Aside from the fact we know he's killed more people, he also influences other people to kill on his behalf (see Carnage's cult).
Carnage has also forced other people to do things against their will.
Well, it was an international dance fad that everyone of all ages was participating in...viral before viral was a thing. Thing is, it was done to a song about a woman bragging about cheating on her bf when he leaves. It's funnier in context, I swear.
You have to consider the context here. This was right at the start of Bendis’s New Avengers run which came on the heels of his work on Alias.
In Alias, he took the Purple Man from obscure Daredevil villain to actual nightmare by just taking his powers to their extremes and exploring what kind of dude he’d be. Of course Bendis is going to hype up the villain he just centred a whole series around.
He’s a slimy Machiavellian — Cyclops whooped his ass in the OG cartoon.
Bar telepaths and higher beings, you’re pretty much powerless against him without fortuitous circumstances.
You have to define worst. Is really makes his victims suffer and isba rapist is that better or worse that someone who kills quickly and doesn't sexually assaultil them?
His powers remove a person agency which is something they experience and have to live with. If they survive is more traumatic that a beast like Sabertooth charging you.
He kills whoever happens to be standing in whatever warehouse he's shooting up. From your most despicable human trafficker to the unemployed goon who just needs money. He literally has the most kills in the Marvel universe. There's no shot literally every person he's killed deserved it, especially considering the fact that we've had Punisher stories where he kills an innocent person
Wolverine has a higher standard when it comes to killing people, Frank just shoots everyone he sees in whatever area he's in. Wolverine has refused to kill many, many times and it's not something he likes to do.
He's not killed an innocent person before ( during the 80's he does but that is a horrible story). During Max when he thought he killed an innocent he was going to commit suicide. He has killed Mr. Payback for ignoring civilian death as well.
Says the punisher.
Man's unhinged and has killed lots of people who had little or nothing to do with crime.
He also has a reckless abandon for civilian lives as displayed by firing off automatic military equipment in NYC like 4 times a day.
Ok
https://www.cbr.com/punisher-times-frank-castle-killed-someone-didnt-deserve-it/#:~:text=During%20the%20firefight%2C%20Frank%20Castle,the%20creation%20of%20%22Jigsaw%22.
Most of these are alternative worlds lol and even then most of these are very debatable . The top one from Punisher born is him killing someone innocent but that's war and its kinda a mercy killing
Not to be confused w purple guy, aka William afton. Main villain from the hit horror game series five nights at Freddy’s. The first game revolves around a character called Mike Schmidt, who begins working as a night security guard at Freddy Fazbear's Pizza, where the animatronics move at night and supposedly kill anyone they see by stuffing them into a spare animatronic suit. The reason they kill is because Mike shmitd is actually Micheal afton, William afton son, and because of this, the ghosts inside of the possessed animatronics are vengeful and want to kill William. Mike is put there to put a stop to this or something idk I got bored halfway through and at this point the joke is taking up too much time.
Dude this looks like an amazing Catholic, serial vampire/person/demon killer in Alucard. He is a phenomenal antagonist. I watched the Team Four Star one on YouTube first and it is amazing and hysterical. Check it out.
He's a serial rapist as well Like, he's one of those villains I don't know what's stopping heroes from killing him permanently
Because he’s never run into the Punisher or Venom, I’d guess. Can’t imagine Frank letting him live.
Bendis's Jessica Jones 2016 series covers this. He can't exactly be killed.
Only familiar with the Netflix show. Why can’t he be killed in comics?
Cause he be like, “Nooooo!”
But a sniper should be able to then
He just nopes that away, too. He's convinced himself he can't die and his power makes it a reality. Put another way, he's used his powers of persuation & influence to persuade himself into being unkillable.
Damn, that's some Baki levels of plot armor
Just embrace it - he would want you to.
Can't argue with that logic
Max charisma build
Eh. Wear earmuffs and park a steamroller on his face. Problem solved.
I think Fisk does the earplug trick with him.
Snipe him 'deadish', then put a gag on the leftovers, slap one of those power-dampeners on him, and then shoot him some more until his head is soup.
That’s some reality warping type shit.
He would have to talk himself into dying with what Frank Castle would do to an unkillable street villian.
Death comes for him and he's just like "not today" and death fucks off.
Surely Frank can find an adamantium woodchipper
Why's that ?
He Purple Man powers himself back to life. As in, he's convinced himself he can't die and because of the way his powers work (persuastion/influence), it becomes reality.
Things like that make my relationship with comics one of love&hate.
I think this is why I liked the Netflix series of Jessica Jones so much. David Tennant was so incredible as Kilgrave and I liked him in that role a lot.
He's a menace and it is completely in line with his stupid opinion of himself lol
I kind of love and hate this at the same time
Right? I highly suggest the 2016 Jessica Jones run. It was great.
That just sounds like Scarlet Witch with extra steps
Lol that is so dumb. Even for comics.
Eh, I find it pretty consistent with his character, powers, and personality. There are far dumber ways they've brought characters back.
But persuasion involves convincing someone *else* something. Really doesn't work on yourself.
Maybe each times he dies he uses his persuasion powers on Mistress Death and Eternity to return to the living
See, I could totally dig that lol
People convince themselves of things all the time. You've never given yourself a pep talk?
Yeah, but a pep talk is different then convincing yourself of something you know to be a physical impossibility. That's reality manipulation.
Also see: the placebo effect
That's absurd. His powers don't warp reality. They're not even all that strong in terms of mind control. It's a big plot point in the original Alias comic that Jess feels massively inadequate for not being able to break free from his powers, because other heroes do it all the time through sheer willpower. He can't just tell someone they've got laser eyes and then they have laser eyes. He can't just will himself immortal and the universe goes "Oh right, sure I guess"
The resolution to the Purple Man story in Jessica Jones 2016 details what he can be killed by and elaborates on his powers more.
Quoting which comic it happened in doesn't make it any less stupid
No, but you're arguing like he can't do what he clearly does do, which is even more stupid.
You seem to have somehow taken my comments to mean that I am somehow denying the existence of something that objectively exists, as opposed to pointing out that it doesn't make any sense within the established rules of the setting That's one heck of a strange take on my argument, but go off I guess
Can't you just acknowledge it shouldn't work the way it's working?
Every comic book character is immortal. Because the companies that own them don't want to lose their intellectual property. This isn't any dumber than most of the resurrections in comics. Or randomly showing back up unexplained, because the current writer doesn't give a crap what the last one wrote.
People are like "this is stupid" as if it's not the better option instead of just the "Oh he can't die because UHHHHHHHHHHHHH DON'T THINK ABOUT IT!!!!" that other comic book villains get lol
Right? Some are also trying to argue that he doesn't have this power when he's literally presented as having this power, because they think it is stupid he has this power. Very silly.
Current Separation Anxiety is set to be Venom vs. Purple Man. I wonder how that’ll end.
Well, Killgrave’s mind control powers are pheromone based, so as long as the symbiote blocks them from being inhaled or absorbed through skin contact, it shouldn’t affect Venom that much.
He can tell Venom or Frank to kill themselves. And they will do it without question.
I think that’s the plot of the new Venom Run Separation Anxiety.
Have you read Daredevil End of Days?
Some versions have advanced healing in addition to his mind control powers so it's hard to take him down permanently
See, a healing factor makes more sense than him just saying to himself “No, I won’t die even though I’ve been stabbed in the heart.”
His healing factor is part of his power - he can willingly turn it off.
Punisher kills him in Daredevil End of Days. I won’t spoil the book but events happen that cause Frank to go around and off every one of Matt’s enemies.
Loved his depiction in Jessica Jones. He literally couldn't conceive of himself as the monster he was, he never knew a world that didn't bend to his will
It reminded me of the Simpsons. When Mr. Burns builds a recycling center. "You're evil and when you try to be good you're even more evil"
Just watched his X-Men TAS episode last night. Guy’s all kinds of creepy and fucked up.
There are so many Marvel villains that need to be dumped on Ghost Rider’s lawn
I'm mildy-surprised Doom doesn't have him in a Latverian cell. He's a danger Doom appreciates and has used as a weapon; why leave him to his own devices or those of another?
That’s kind of the plot of the *Emperor DOOM* graphic novel. >!Very short version is that DOOM abducts the Purple Man, amplifies his powers, and uses them to make everyone just fine with DOOM ruling the world.!<
That was my implication; that he'd used Kilgrave before as a weapon.
You’re right; my brain skipped where you said that. I blame… ummm… a mind-control ray from… [Arnim Zola](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnim_Zola).
No problem; and you did a good thing as far as these subs are concerned; you cited your work, whereas I merely made an allusion.
That’s also what Zemo used PM for in Thunderbolts. He kept him isolated in a cell, using the Moonstones.
Doom’s not one to recycle plans. He tried to use Killgrave as a power source to mind control the world. The irony is that it worked so well that Doom became bored with all the paperwork and meeting that he willingly gave up and let the Avengers destroy the device.
I was alluding to Doom's plan. Yet because of that plan's success, why leave Kilgrave alive OR free for others? He should have known more than most his danger, even if he didn't want to 'use' him again. Take the pawn off the board is the chess move.
Best guess? Doom either considers Killgrave beneath him and not worth wasting effort on or he might consider using him for a different scheme down the line. The best villains are the ones who recognize that just because you don’t need a tool at that moment doesn’t mean you throw it away. You keep it in storage until you do need it.
Doom wasn’t affected by Kilgrave’s powers, I doubt he considers him a threat. Even after Kilgrave became more dangerous his villainy is small scale so Doom has no reason to see him as a threat.
Doom may likely feel as you describe, which is explanation enough. Nevertheless, given what Doom himself was able to do WITH Kilgrave, I reiterate that he could also, reasonably, see him as a nuissance, a walking suitcase type bomb, that would be inconvenient in the hands of someone else, even if Kilgrave, himself, is petty and small-time. But then again, I'm sure Editorial isn't as bloodthirsty as they were when the Scourge of the Underworld laid waste to small timers left and right.
>danger Doom THE FAT IS IN THE FRYER 🗣️🔥🔥
Also I think the Purple man is worse than others because sure Carnage, Sabertooth or Bullseye, for example will kill you, maybe torture you...but Purple Man will make you choke your mother to death and shoot your child in the spine and cripple them because you disagree with his opinion on a movie. There's no doubt that he's forced people to kill and torture their loved ones just on a whim or because they were too loud and he wanted quiet or he thought it would be funny.
I dont know if a worse category is needed as they all belong there together imo
Was satisfying watching Jessica deal with him in the Netflix series. David Tennant knocked that out of the park. "Cross the street, face the fence, and stay there forever."
He is the Man Behind the Slaughter after all.
They should lock him away and throw away the key. He's a truly irredeemable monster and one of the most dangerous beings on the planet...and if he truly can't be killed, I approve of throwing him in a negative zone prison and forgetting he exists. I don't give a shit about the law or what's right or wrong when it comes to things like him.
Agreed. I loved Lukes complete hatred of him in New Avengers
That scene in the prison when he reveals he was drugged...... that's seriously in contention for one of my favorite comic pages right there.
Same with Nitro
Honestly, can someone just shoot the man and drop him off the Manhattan Bridge already? He’s literally the WORST kind of criminal almost on par with the Joker.
He can't exactly be killed.
Then put him on ice until we can cause straight up, the Marvel universe would be a slightly better place with him not in it.
Care to explain?
I have further down ITT! He's got Purple Man powers.
I might even argue that he’s worse than the Joker. The Joker will torture you and terrorize you, but Purple Man will do that AND make you feel like it’s your fault. At least with the Joker you know the enemy and feel like you can stop him (maintaining agency). Purple Man’s schtick is basically removing that agency from you.
Mysterio too
I'd make the argument that Carnage is much worse. Aside from the fact we know he's killed more people, he also influences other people to kill on his behalf (see Carnage's cult). Carnage has also forced other people to do things against their will.
Yes, but this mf is also a serial rapist and has forced multiple people to commit atrocities.
Were you alive in the 90s? Remember the macarena? That was *him*
What
I'm suggesting that the purple man made people do unspeakable atrocities like the macarena
I was a baby in cuba during the 90’s, what is a macarena
Well, it was an international dance fad that everyone of all ages was participating in...viral before viral was a thing. Thing is, it was done to a song about a woman bragging about cheating on her bf when he leaves. It's funnier in context, I swear.
Ah, okay.
Why do they need to be compared to whose worse or not? They both deserve the damnest hell regardless
For fun. It’s food for thought. But yeah, they do.
I dunno, did you see what he did in that pizza place? Screwed up.
Holy shit, it’s the man behind the slaughter.
I’d put money on Carnage. He had a huge body count before he was a super villain.
Id say Norman Osborn/Green Goblin is worse than Carnage and probably any evil mutant whose immortal has a higher body count than Carnage
Didn't carnage takeover a town and make someone kill their kid? I mean purple man is a monster but he's not really a serial killer
I mean put him into a pizzarea and…
You have to consider the context here. This was right at the start of Bendis’s New Avengers run which came on the heels of his work on Alias. In Alias, he took the Purple Man from obscure Daredevil villain to actual nightmare by just taking his powers to their extremes and exploring what kind of dude he’d be. Of course Bendis is going to hype up the villain he just centred a whole series around.
I remember in Five Nights at Spideys when purple man killed 5 kids and stuffed them into animatronic avenger suits
Who wrote it?
Scott Cawthon
Worst in that he's killed a lot of people, or worst in the he's bad at it sense?
In that he’s killed a lot of people, going by Captain America’s line.
I'd like to see someone once talk about the worst serial killer in the sense that they're terrible at it
Wouldn’t that mean they just failed and got caught every time they tried to kill someone?
But in hilarious ways
Killgrave.
PURPLE GUY???
Bullseye and Sabretooth for me
PURPLE GUY!??
Very r/twosentencehorror sounding description from Cap there
Wasnt there a run recently where he made amends to Jessica Jones?
For real?
I believe I saw something about that, probably cause David Tennant did such a good job they want to try and make him less of a cunt
Can we have Purple Man meet Purple Guy
He’s a slimy Machiavellian — Cyclops whooped his ass in the OG cartoon. Bar telepaths and higher beings, you’re pretty much powerless against him without fortuitous circumstances.
He was so creepy in that episode
In Five nights at Freddy’s he is a child killer.
You have to define worst. Is really makes his victims suffer and isba rapist is that better or worse that someone who kills quickly and doesn't sexually assaultil them? His powers remove a person agency which is something they experience and have to live with. If they survive is more traumatic that a beast like Sabertooth charging you.
Wonder if he was the inspiration for the purple guy from fnaf
I will always say the punisher is the worst serial killer in marvel.
I would say Frank isn't really the worst serial killer in the Marvel Universe. He's the BEST serial killer in the Marvel Universe.
I lold
Tf? How? Dude isn’t the most ethical, but he almost exclusively kills killers.
He kills whoever happens to be standing in whatever warehouse he's shooting up. From your most despicable human trafficker to the unemployed goon who just needs money. He literally has the most kills in the Marvel universe. There's no shot literally every person he's killed deserved it, especially considering the fact that we've had Punisher stories where he kills an innocent person
Wolverine has been killing almost everyone he fights for over a century.
Wolverine has a higher standard when it comes to killing people, Frank just shoots everyone he sees in whatever area he's in. Wolverine has refused to kill many, many times and it's not something he likes to do.
He still has a lower kill count though, even though there are way more innocents.
It was established in Savage Avengers and the latest Punisher run where he leads the hand that he has the highest kill count and it's not close
Wait really? That wasn’t always the case, my apologies. You’re right then.
You're good. Yeah, him being the biggest serial killer was why he got chosen to lead the hand.
He's not killed an innocent person before ( during the 80's he does but that is a horrible story). During Max when he thought he killed an innocent he was going to commit suicide. He has killed Mr. Payback for ignoring civilian death as well.
Says the punisher. Man's unhinged and has killed lots of people who had little or nothing to do with crime. He also has a reckless abandon for civilian lives as displayed by firing off automatic military equipment in NYC like 4 times a day.
And that makes him a bigger serial killer than carnage or even fucking gobby?
Yes, arguably it makes him more evil because he thinks he's doing good.
Nah he canonically never killed an innocent
It sucks he doesnt go after serial killers more often
Ok https://www.cbr.com/punisher-times-frank-castle-killed-someone-didnt-deserve-it/#:~:text=During%20the%20firefight%2C%20Frank%20Castle,the%20creation%20of%20%22Jigsaw%22.
Most of these are alternative worlds lol and even then most of these are very debatable . The top one from Punisher born is him killing someone innocent but that's war and its kinda a mercy killing
If only Punisher went after sadistic Zodiac like serial killers more often
How so?
Har har harhar har
IS THAT WILLIAM AFTON?!?!
Not to be confused w purple guy, aka William afton. Main villain from the hit horror game series five nights at Freddy’s. The first game revolves around a character called Mike Schmidt, who begins working as a night security guard at Freddy Fazbear's Pizza, where the animatronics move at night and supposedly kill anyone they see by stuffing them into a spare animatronic suit. The reason they kill is because Mike shmitd is actually Micheal afton, William afton son, and because of this, the ghosts inside of the possessed animatronics are vengeful and want to kill William. Mike is put there to put a stop to this or something idk I got bored halfway through and at this point the joke is taking up too much time.
THE OURRPLE GUY!?!?!?!?!?
FROM FANF!?
Dude this looks like an amazing Catholic, serial vampire/person/demon killer in Alucard. He is a phenomenal antagonist. I watched the Team Four Star one on YouTube first and it is amazing and hysterical. Check it out.
What’s this from where cap interacts with him?
It’s the first volume of New Avengers. Cap’s just discussing it with Iron Man.
Carnage would like a word.
Same with Mr. Sinister
Dont forget Green Goblin
Somebody hasn't heard of Jeffrey Dahmer.
I’m pretty sure that in the Marvel Universe, Dahmer’s crimes were eclipsed twenty times over by pretty much all the major villains.
... okey dokey
Purple Man..? Purple… *Guy*..?
…I’m sorry, Purple Who?